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Grouping in ESO is quite a chore because of bugs
cheyane
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Today I wanted to do the Elden Hollow dungeon a group dungeon in Grahtwood and we started off with me shouting in zone and another player asked me to join. She found two others and right off there was a bug where it showed me as leader but when I check I am not the leader and unable to invite. Or was the /invite name not how you invite. The group tab mine showed no one as leader but the other player had invited me so I presume she was but she could not invite anyone. We disbanded and regrouped and she invited them.
Then the nightmare started we could not get into the dungeon because it kept saying Veteran level not met. We tried disbanding regrouping ,logging in and out and everything and no luck. I was lucky they were all very nice and no one got angry but stayed and kept trying until another guy came out from the dungeon and he grouped with the Vet player and changed the setting and we finally got to go in. Even after I had left the group and logged in and out I could not go into the dungeon even as a solo player.
How can you make a game and make grouping such a chore ? This would normally turn people off in frustration and no game should make one jump through hoops to just do some dungeon content. In this regard the game is a big fail for me . I healed and the dungeon itself was fun but I was lucky that I encountered such patient people.
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It did not work the group leader kept trying it. The change did not take effect at all. So we all became bugged. We changed leader reformed and tried to switch the difficulty from Vet to normal ,nothing worked. That is what I am trying to say it is so poorly implemented it bugs out everyone.
How can anything be so poorly designed that people get bugged even after you leave the group ?
The only thing that worked was when we joined another group and that person changed the difficulty and then I was able to go inside the dungeon and leave the second group and rejoin my original group.
I get that the vet player the one that originally made the group may have not changed the group setting properly but should it have bugged us all out ? Why could none of us go into the dungeon even as solo players after the restriction appeared saying we were not the correct vet level. This is what I do not understand how can a simple thing like changing from vet to normal bug all the members of the group.
Fine even if you say we were n00bs and don't know better does bugging the group members who are not experienced enough to understand how to switch the dungeon level make any sense. When I asked my guilds they said it had happened to them and was not sure how to fix it but that it went away after awhile. So it is not even an isolated incident and I have been grouping since Everquest 1 and this is not my first merry go round. I just don't understand how one would make a game that makes it this frustrating if someone makes a mistake.
Since you said you had no reason to believe I was lying I thought I might show you these links where the bug appears.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/138594/vet-and-reg-dungeon-bug
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/139573/cant-join-normal-dungeons
http://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/2u18eq/bug_your_attempted_jump_failed_because_your/
This reminds a recent thread where user re-subbed after some time and then found out he lost the password to his google account and could not get into a game...all blaming the developes for dumb security policies...
Some people are just like that, fortunately they are just negligable minority.
This is the exact problem I encountered in that redditt post . So tell me was my criticism unfair ?
Got this when I was trying to port to City of Ash (normal tier 3 dungeon) as the leader of a party of four level 24 - 28 players last night.
We tried relog, restart client, port there via wayshrine, entering through door, switch leader, disband, regroup with a different leader, enter individually without being in group, but none of these worked, all of us are getting the same message when we try to enter the dungeon.
I researched on this topic and it seems it would happen when a non-VR player is trying to enter a VR area, but it was not our case, everyone was just entering a normal dungeon and we are all within a reasonable level range. And there was no way the dungeon was set to VR because the VR / normal dungeon option wasn't even available in the group window.
I reported a bug, has anyone experienced issue like this before?
Update:
Here is what I did to fix the problem. Note that not only City of Ash was bugged for me, all dungeon was not accessible because the game defaults them to Veteran for me.
Thanks for the help guys, I can imagine a new player never had an idea on the Veteran system would think why all dungeons are blocked for him, and if he can't find someone to help, he is basically screwed until he reaches VR1 so he could maybe fix it himself.
Looks like it's a known issue based on all the CS responses. Obviously they haven't fixed it yet though. Not sure what you're looking for here... they know it's a bug and will fix it when they can I suppose. Have you tried the PTS to see if it works?
I am not looking for anything but you make a criticism about ESO and people doubt your veracity or your intelligence without once considering it might be an actual bug. Why so defensive about the game is my impression your first response is I might be lying or am inflicted with stupidity .
The problem is that the game has some very bad bugs that have not been fixed even now that impede normal things like grouping that other games do so well and easily making it both annoying and frustrating.
I was trying to be helpful so pls don't get mad at me:) & as i said before give it another go or Riot it's your choice..
I am not mad at you but at the incompetence of ZOS . They seem to not have fixed stuff even months later. I like the game a lot and like I said the people who were in my group were very nice so I enjoy the community in the game too.
If you notice that bug will impair a person for the rest of their levels before they reach Vet and that is bad. They need to fix it sorry I went off a bit but I absolutely hate being called stupid and Gdemani 's post was very unwarranted and completely rude.
I can confirm this bug as well wife and I had the same issue and we had both successfully grouped before.
I'm not even going to touch the issue of why these bugs still persist in one form or another after several months but the leader bug has been around in one form or another since release and the vet/normal one was made worse after the patch that added dungeon scaling to the leader's level... both should be fixed by now but they're not. So here's how to deal with them when you run into them.
The "no leader" bug can be worked around by zoning to a shrine in a different zone or into or out of the dungeon itself, although you have to be careful with the dungeon "fix" and only use that one if you're the one that wants to set the dungeon level - since the "fix" may set the level if the game decides you're the leader. Once the bug is fixed you should pass the lead to whoever is the at the level you want for the dungeon.
The vet/normal one only happens when you have a mix of vet and non-vet members in a group AND the vet player is the group leader, OR you run into the no-leader bug as you did. It can be easily fixed by a) making sure everyone is outside the dungeon and b) disbanding the group and then the non-vet player who is of the level you want the dungeon set for, using /invite for the other 3 players. EDIT: and to be doubly sure, the best thing you can do is invite only the non-vet players, go into the dungeon and make sure it's set for the level you want and only then re-invite the vet player.
(And personally, I hate those kinds of groups since the vet player will trivialize the content. Always have hated that in all MMOs I've played.)
You should also always wait for the leader of the group to zone into the dungeon first to avoid other possible problems.
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I have good reason to believe that the bugs they have that they are not fixing, are all platform related bugs. I seriously believe they are keeping it the way the consoles would run them even if some major bugs are in the PC version. They want to be able to copy paste this thing right onto console version with little or no change at all.
I keep crashing on loading screens nonstop in my windows 8 64-bit OS, but if I put in Windows 8 32-bit OS, it runs without a single crash. This crash bug for 64-bit has been around since launch and they havent fixed it, but I think thats because they want to keep whats runable on a PS4 and Xbox One.
I have no doubt that they are going to fix these bugs after the copy paste to the consoles, but they are being hidden about why they havent fixed the PC bugs. Until after console launch I wont expect any of these major bugs on PC to be fixed. Good Luck.
Same for me and a friend. We quite after beta when we saw how horrible grouping was. It was basically impossible back then with the phase bugs. Dungeons where impossible to do because they would not even let us in at all.
A MMORPG that can not get grouping right is not worth my time.