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Jheron · February 2006

Have you guys seen this already? I may be slow on the uptake but I wanted to make sure it got posted. It seems legit but who knows. Definately an interesting read.

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=swggpdiscussion&message.id=478230

http://swg.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=16;mid=113975555520413222;num=0;page=1

Agricola1 · February 2006

Thanks, very informative post. It sounds about right since all they're doing is bringing back stuff and calling it new content. Those boardrooms must be more like battlegrounds right now!

Arvad · February 2006

Wow! That's quite an interesting post. Makes sense to me with the silence we are seeing from SOE. Guess the poll I took with LA did some good, LOL.

scaramoosh · February 2006

I wish a rollback as an option was true, i never see it happening tho.

People will complain about losing alot of their stuff.

BamaDoc · February 2006

This is starting to make sense now. There will never be a "rollback". Adding back in old content - specifically crafting, and character classes are really all it will take. Apparently they've already put the macros back in so . . .

The question is how long will tepid numbers allow SOE to keep this game alive?

Indeed it is nice to have "A New Hope".

Scorpes · February 2006

I just want to see Smedley fired and then get laughed at when he sends his resume in to NCsoft. SWG is dead to me, rollback or not. SOE wont see another dime from me.

Elnator · February 2006

Interesting post. I'm not going to get my hopes up too high but it sounds like LA, at the least, is in an uproar. And we know who really owns SWG after all is said and done. I suspect change is coming... what that change will ammount to is anyone's guess.

But being the optimist that I am I will hold onto hope that SWG can be ressurected sometime in the not too distant future. I do miss it.

I really wish people would quit calling the NGE "SWG". It's not SWG, its' the NGE. SWG died on Nov 5, 2005.

duncan_922 · February 2006

Originally posted by Elnator

Interesting post. I'm not going to get my hopes up too high but it sounds like LA, at the least, is in an uproar. And we know who really owns SWG after all is said and done. I suspect change is coming... what that change will ammount to is anyone's guess.
But being the optimist that I am I will hold onto hope that SWG can be ressurected sometime in the not too distant future. I do miss it.
I really wish people would quit calling the NGE "SWG". It's not SWG, its' the NGE. SWG died on Nov 5, 2005.

Agree on all accounts. Although the idea of SWG changing again does not give me hope, but dread.

digriz · February 2006

Originally posted by duncan_922

Originally posted by Elnator

Interesting post. I'm not going to get my hopes up too high but it sounds like LA, at the least, is in an uproar. And we know who really owns SWG after all is said and done. I suspect change is coming... what that change will ammount to is anyone's guess.
But being the optimist that I am I will hold onto hope that SWG can be ressurected sometime in the not too distant future. I do miss it.
I really wish people would quit calling the NGE "SWG". It's not SWG, its' the NGE. SWG died on Nov 5, 2005.

Agree on all accounts. Although the idea of SWG changing again does not give me hope, but dread.

Dread, maybe not. Not all players were 20/30 something wastrels and teen jedi. I'd think that by now, anyone who had access to the right ears might get a chance to make some improvements. The passion for this game (in it's past state) runs high enough that one of us will get heard. I'll cross my fingers. Miss the game, miss my guild and enough Stormies to kill to take the edge off a bad day at work. There won't be a rollback, but maybe reimplimenting the post or pre-CU gameplay/profs etc could be seen on the cards. Maybe a server cutback, or a half decent facsimile of the game we loved with no monthly charges, so customer service issues will die and SOE can work on their poxy console version. It's the only Star Wars game that did it for me, so i'll hope for the best. Failing that, Emu??

Bissrok · February 2006

Originally posted by Scorpes
I just want to see Smedley fired and then get laughed at when he sends his resume in to NCsoft. SWG is dead to me, rollback or not. SOE wont see another dime from me.

Agree. Maybe if they had done this a long time ago... Too late now.

chlaos · February 2006

This is encouraging, but nothing short of a complete return to the pre cu system will be enough to get me to go back. The first linked post has been deleted. Was it basically the same as the second?

scaramoosh · February 2006

Originally posted by Elnator

Interesting post. I'm not going to get my hopes up too high but it sounds like LA, at the least, is in an uproar. And we know who really owns SWG after all is said and done. I suspect change is coming... what that change will ammount to is anyone's guess.
But being the optimist that I am I will hold onto hope that SWG can be ressurected sometime in the not too distant future. I do miss it.
I really wish people would quit calling the NGE "SWG". It's not SWG, its' the NGE. SWG died on Nov 5, 2005.

15th

digriz · February 2006

Originally posted by chlaos
This is encouraging, but nothing short of a complete return to the pre cu system will be enough to get me to go back. The first linked post has been deleted. Was it basically the same as the second?

The first link was just the second link on the SWG site. So you missed nothing other than Sonys fascist hosting of free speech on their forums. Best example of this was deleting a thread bemoaning the fact that people with certain disabilities could not remap the keys with the NGE and therefore could no longer play.

dolanious · February 2006

Interesting. I believe every word. Thanks for the links

The most likely action SOE will take will be another combat upgrade... that changes the game yet again but adds elements from the old system back.

thecrown · February 2006

was that really smed who replied LOL?

Shayde · February 2006

I'm quoting it here, because it is already off $OE's board, and Alakazam is really tight with $OE... it could disappear.

Ok i've debated posting this as i know how rumors turn into wild fires. Please dont let this happen to this post, this isnt one of those my brothers uncles best friends sister works at SOE deals. I'm telling you this because I would want to know if there was anyone who had any information on where SWG was going. I know some of you love the old game as much as i do.
I do not know what SOE is doing, SOE dont even know at this point. I do know that what we know as the NGE is going away. And this is good.
Where I got my information:
Someone that is very close to me is a LA employee. I'm gonna keep this very vauge to ensure nothing bad comes to her for this. She's not a higher up at LA she's only present in the same office where there are cheifs. 10 months ago i asked her what was going on with SWG and she replied, "Whats SWG?" Since feb, 7 2006, she's learned alot about SWG at work. She knows who John Smedley is, She knows what Pre-CU is, She knows what a roll back is, Among many other things, she seems to be an expert now. I've asked her to ask some questions and find some things out for me. She did the best she could and she brought me alot of information. It seems that SWG is the talk of the office now days. Much of this is just rumor from her office and not known as fact. Some of it is known as fact. I cant distinguish between them as i only know what i was told. And she only knows what she hears or reads. One thing is for sure, something big is happening to have so many people talking.
Quote: Feb 6 2006 SOE and SWG came under official review from LA. It has been rumored that SOE's contract with LA was up for renewel Feb 1st. This is not true. They are up for scheduled review. LA retains the power to pull the contract at any time and theese scheduled reviews are to ensure that SOE is upholding LA's standards and basiclly not running Lucas's Baby into the ground.
Quote: LA began the review unoficially 6 weeks before feb 6th. It's no secret that SOE has gotten some very bad press, and yealded bad results over the last year. LA is watching and not impressed. They are limited in what they can do without pulling the contract. This is a very drastic move and they have been gathering information to try and decide on the best course of action. Some of you may have noticed the LA survay asking you questions about the CU, Pre-CU, and NGE. This was lucas arts gathering information on both how to best fix the game and where to go with SWG2.
Quote: Big Suprise Here!
LA determined that the Pre-CU version of SWG was favored by 65%
CU version was favored by 27%
and the NGE was favored by a whopping 8%
Quote: In an official meeting with SOE, LA's reps directed SOE to fix the problem. Roll back was a big topic at the meeting. SOE took a strong stance against it. They arent sure if they can do it if they had to. They are currently looking into what it will take. Something like this must be done very Carefully. Something that SOE has not proven good at. They cant just load up old files and say have fun. They cant make 2 expansions worthless. They all have to be intigrated into the old system. There has been no decition made to roll back but SOE is looking into it as an option now. They have been forced to look into it.
Quote: The Producers Letter;
You may have noticed it hasnt surfaced. It hasnt surfaced because the letter was to inform the public of the direction of the game. Well the direction of the game is at this point undetirmined.

I told her that i had read many times where Dev's have stated that "There will be NO Rollbacks.".
Quote: There are members of the dev team at SOE that have pushed for rollbacks. They see as well as everyone else that the majority of the community favors rollbacks and movements made reciently have turned the game upside down. When it was brought up at meetings it was shot down by the leaders, and they were only relaying the message. SOE has never taken an official stance on this. You have to understand that most DEVs have little dicition making power. Most are not the creative minds behind this particular game like they probably were once. They are told to take the game in a certian direction and they try to do it as best as possable.
I asked if there would be an announcement or any word on what to expect.
Quote: In the short term expect to see Publish 27 pushed as soon as it's playable not perfict. This is a huge publish that fixes alot of the problems in the game and will be needed as a hold over till they can figure out what is going to happen. Dont expect publish 28. Expect to see subtle changes on test center checking Older systems with the new system.
So basiclly dont be suprised to see things on test center every once in a while that you havent seen since CU. SOE does not want the public to know they are looking into this or even concidering it. It will likely cause an outbreak of hope and set you up for another let down if it never comes to be.
Long term,
Quote: Dont expect SOE to decide to roll back servers overnight and log onto a pre-cu server the next day. Expect to see another Combat Upgrade, that takes the aspects of the game that were most favord and implimenting them into the current expansions. Turn baised combat, old professions brough back, ect.
This is all the information i've been able to milk out of this at this point. I would have posted it over on SOE's site but alass i have no account due to the NGE. Please take this information for what it is (2nd hand). Please dont ask me a million questions because i've posted everything i know here. I've been pushing my luck trying to get all the info i can. This is it. I'll post more if i get it.

freebirdpat · February 2006

Originally posted by thecrown
was that really smed who replied LOL?

Yes, and I am the Pope.

Its an interesting topic to say the least. I mean think about the direction it took. Take a look at the things that were fixed in ONE publish. You have to admit, if they rolled back to pre-cu or even the basic SWG from day 2, and thought "where do we start adding?". I admit removing the Wookiee/Obi-Wan content might be annoying at first, but if they worked hard to fix the problems there, and maybe add some content on other planets.(Think more difficult themeparks).

I definitely would not be signing back up until they got most of the bugs under control.

Sadly what I see though is SOE taking the systems of pre-CU and grafting it on top of the NGE.

Shayde · February 2006

I think it was smed replying. It stank of one of his bad posts, and alakazam is tight with $OE. They probably e-mailed him.

kairaene · February 2006

He just replied again asking for emails to his sony addy. hmmmm

Shayde · February 2006

OH MY GOD... THE BEAST SPEAKS. Probably a form letter though...

I promise you Im not ignorant of what the communitys hopes for the game are. In fact, much of what the community wants is high on my personal list as well. All we can do is work hard to make this game the best that it can be, and do it in a way that makes you all feel like were headed in a direction you like and agree with. Did we make a mistake in how we communicated the NGE? Absolutely. But for the long term health of the game, we had to make a major move.

Best Regards,

John Smedley

Hashman · February 2006

Rumour (ok a friend of a friend of a friend told me) is that SWG has about 11,000 players, so I'm guessing SoE are going to do something drastic soon.

w_boodle · February 2006

It's all very confusing. However, one thing is NOT confusing: SOE will never pull it off.
Whatever they reintroduce will be borked. Whatever they leave out will be actively resented.

A level-based system implanted into a skill-inspired profession tree sitting atop an FPS. Ok, right.

freebirdpat · February 2006

An FPS that was grafted onto a turn based combat system on a highly dynamic world.

Bissrok · February 2006

Originally posted by Hashman
Rumour (ok a friend of a friend of a friend told me) is that SWG has about 11,000 players, so I'm guessing SoE are going to do something drastic soon.

Shhh... You can get topics deleted for posting that number (or numbers around that number).

Jheron · February 2006

Originally posted by chlaos
This is encouraging, but nothing short of a complete return to the pre cu system will be enough to get me to go back. The first linked post has been deleted. Was it basically the same as the second?

The first link was to the SWG thread that I knew would get nerfed so I posted the link that was in it as well.

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