Assuming you are using this term per this definition, lacking in color, spirit, or vitality, now who is making spurious ad hominem attacks because a (minority) group of players prefer particular game mechanics and designs.
Just because you don't like it, doesn't invalidate the preference, or make it less worthy. Using your approach, I can look down my nose at WOW players because they play such a simple, boring game, where the end game involves a complicated version of the hokey pokey (put your left foot here, have your priests stand there, circle strafe the boss mob and turn yourself around) and no real challenge or strategy to speak of.
It's not true of course (well, not much) but still I don't begrudge other players for liking game play mechanics that I don't care for.
Please, let me know what games you design, clearly they aren't for me and I'll make sure to take a pass.
In business terms, EVE's niche is a weak segment, so the term anemic isn't an attack but simply an accurate measure of how strong the niche market is. It's not very strong. Hence: anemic. It's up to you whether you treat the truth as a personal attack.
WOW offers PVE combat puzzles. If you choose the easy puzzles, it's easy. If you choose the hard ones, it's hard. People enjoy solving puzzles (as long as they're not forced to do puzzles they've totally mastered; hence the need for constant new content.)
Did significant balance work on Age of Empires 3 Asian Dynasties (also a little work on AOE2), and Rise of Nations (+expansion). In terms of design work, most of the games lately aren't even my own perfect preference of game because that's just how the industry works. For example even though I love the theme (advance your civilization from the dawn age to the space age), our PVP is progression-heavy and not "fair" PVP where skill always wins. So ironically it's exactly the type of casual PVP you'd enjoy!
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
When you use such an adjective in a snooty and condescending way to describe the "appeal" of a game to it's intended audience, really you've exposed yourself to the highest degree.
Do you think EVE's appeal is strong, to a wide audience? No? Then you agree it's appeal is anemic. Why is everyone getting upset about the term? Half of you have openly admitted your understanding that EVE has a very limited appeal -- one poster even posted that they were grateful for the limited appeal!
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
When you use such an adjective in a snooty and condescending way to describe the "appeal" of a game to it's intended audience, really you've exposed yourself to the highest degree.
Do you think EVE's appeal is strong, to a wide audience? No? Then you agree it's appeal is anemic. Why is everyone getting upset about the term? Half of you have openly admitted your understanding that EVE has a very limited appeal -- one poster even posted that they were grateful for the limited appeal!
You and I both know what you meant by "anemic". Perhaps choose your words more carefully.
Now, let the back peddling begin.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Originally posted by Deathenger Your chose of the word anemic really isn't meant to describe you're thoughts on the market, it's meant to be derogatory, plain and simple.
It's an accurate measure of market strength. If you choose to consider it unusually derogatory (beyond the fact that all synonyms for 'weak' aren't exactly going to be positive), that's actually your choice.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
Originally posted by Bladestrom Take wow it of the picture with its huhe player base then look at all the sub games together - does eve look 'anemic'? Nope..
The reality is that WOW and non-subscription games are part of the market. You can't just pretend they aren't part of the market because it's an inconvenient fact.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
Originally posted by Bladestrom Take wow it of the picture with its huhe player base then look at all the sub games together - does eve look 'anemic'? Nope..
The reality is that WOW and non-subscription games are part of the market. You can't just pretend they aren't part of the market because it's an inconvenient fact.
WoW is for dummies.
And trust me I know a lot of intelligent people ( Doctors etc.) that play WoW. But it is a game for dummies. Thats what makes it appealing. Any dummy can pick it up and play it.
EvE is a whole 'nother level though. EvE is a game that requires intelligence, perseverance, patience, teamwork, INTELLIGENCE. The list goes on. You don't just play EvE. You commit to it.
And that is why I don't play it. I wish I could. I just can't commit to it, at this point. But my oh my!! I sure wish I had what it takes to play this game. I really do. EvE players have my respect and I think it ranks with the best MMO's created.
What I don't like however is when the PvP crowd uses EvE as their shining example of perfect PvP. I am guessing that maybe 10% of the people that do this would actually survive 10 minutes in the game. If you don't play the game , then don't use it as an example of PvP done right. It actually is, but that still does not mean what these people think it does.
Anemic? Hardly. More like the WoW playerbase is anemic, because they don't have the chutzpah to play EvE!
FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!
And trust me I know a lot of intelligent people ( Doctors etc.) that play WoW. But it is a game for dummies. Thats what makes it appealing. Any dummy can pick it up and play it.
EvE is a whole 'nother level though. EvE is a game that requires intelligence, perseverance, patience, teamwork, INTELLIGENCE. The list goes on. You don't just play EvE. You commit to it.
And that is why I don't play it. I wish I could. I just can't commit to it, at this point. But my oh my!! I sure wish I had what it takes to play this game. I really do. EvE players have my respect and I think it ranks with the best MMO's created.
What I don't like however is when the PvP crowd uses EvE as their shining example of perfect PvP. I am guessing that maybe 10% of the people that do this would actually survive 10 minutes in the game. If you don't play the game , then don't use it as an example of PvP done right. It actually is, but that still does not mean what these people think it does.
Anemic? Hardly. More like the WoW playerbase is anemic, because they don't have the chutzpah to play EvE!
The market is anemic. Insulting WOW's playerbase doesn't change reality.
Beyond that, your insult doesn't even make sense. Is chess a "game for dummies" because it's simple to learn? No, we understand that games can offer both easy and difficult challenges (and that in fact the common ideal for game design is "simple to learn, difficult to master".) WOW's hardest challenges require a good deal of skill and intellect.
Your comment on PVP doesn't make sense either. Are you suggesting there are players who think EVE PVP is perfect, but who also can't last 10 minutes? I've never seen players like that.
In fact an earlier poster framed EVE PVP quite accurately when he conceded the game wasn't actually about PVP, but about modeling a virtual world. Which basically concedes that while the game may be a great military simulator, it's not actually a good PVP game...and it doesn't try to be.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
Assuming you are using this term per this definition, lacking in color, spirit, or vitality, now who is making spurious ad hominem attacks because a (minority) group of players prefer particular game mechanics and designs.
Just because you don't like it, doesn't invalidate the preference, or make it less worthy. Using your approach, I can look down my nose at WOW players because they play such a simple, boring game, where the end game involves a complicated version of the hokey pokey (put your left foot here, have your priests stand there, circle strafe the boss mob and turn yourself around) and no real challenge or strategy to speak of.
It's not true of course (well, not much) but still I don't begrudge other players for liking game play mechanics that I don't care for.
Please, let me know what games you design, clearly they aren't for me and I'll make sure to take a pass.
In business terms, EVE's niche is a weak segment, so the term anemic isn't an attack but simply an accurate measure of how strong the niche market is. It's not very strong. Hence: anemic. It's up to you whether you treat the truth as a personal attack.
WOW offers PVE combat puzzles. If you choose the easy puzzles, it's easy. If you choose the hard ones, it's hard. People enjoy solving puzzles (as long as they're not forced to do puzzles they've totally mastered; hence the need for constant new content.)
Did significant balance work on Age of Empires 3 Asian Dynasties (also a little work on AOE2), and Rise of Nations (+expansion). In terms of design work, most of the games lately aren't even my own perfect preference of game because that's just how the industry works. For example even though I love the theme (advance your civilization from the dawn age to the space age), our PVP is progression-heavy and not "fair" PVP where skill always wins. So ironically it's exactly the type of casual PVP you'd enjoy!
Clever wording on your part, but I'll concede that the market for EVE is weak, especially compared to the titans in almost every other market. Of course the market for Ferrari's is also anemic, so I guess EVE is in pretty good company.
Thanks for the game list, not my style of gaming, I'm strictly MMORPG's and quite truthfully, I've realized these days I'm strictly EVE, they just don't build MMO's as I prefer them anymore. (though if my DAOC freeshard ever relaunches I will have one other alternative)
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Wow is an outlier - it Skews the average sub per MMO. So if you want to look at how a game compares to the market you certainly do ignore outliers, and eve compared to the sub market is doing fine.
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Eve is about ten years old and I love sandbox games but was never able to get into it. That being said, there hasn't been a proper sandbox game in almost as long as Eve's release and I'd rather not consider a ten year old game as THE place to go for sandbox. It's time we had a NEW sandbox game.
Originally posted by Bladestrom Take wow it of the picture with its huhe player base then look at all the sub games together - does eve look 'anemic'? Nope..
The reality is that WOW and non-subscription games are part of the market. You can't just pretend they aren't part of the market because it's an inconvenient fact.
WoW is for dummies.
And trust me I know a lot of intelligent people ( Doctors etc.) that play WoW. But it is a game for dummies. Thats what makes it appealing. Any dummy can pick it up and play it.
EvE is a whole 'nother level though. EvE is a game that requires intelligence, perseverance, patience, teamwork, INTELLIGENCE. The list goes on. You don't just play EvE. You commit to it.
And that is why I don't play it. I wish I could. I just can't commit to it, at this point. But my oh my!! I sure wish I had what it takes to play this game. I really do. EvE players have my respect and I think it ranks with the best MMO's created.
What I don't like however is when the PvP crowd uses EvE as their shining example of perfect PvP. I am guessing that maybe 10% of the people that do this would actually survive 10 minutes in the game. If you don't play the game , then don't use it as an example of PvP done right. It actually is, but that still does not mean what these people think it does.
Anemic? Hardly. More like the WoW playerbase is anemic, because they don't have the chutzpah to play EvE!
TIME SINK
Seriously? Queuing Skills and waiting 10 Days to learn your Skill requires intelligence?
Originally posted by Bladestrom Take wow it of the picture with its huhe player base then look at all the sub games together - does eve look 'anemic'? Nope..
The reality is that WOW and non-subscription games are part of the market. You can't just pretend they aren't part of the market because it's an inconvenient fact.
WoW is for dummies.
And trust me I know a lot of intelligent people ( Doctors etc.) that play WoW. But it is a game for dummies. Thats what makes it appealing. Any dummy can pick it up and play it.
EvE is a whole 'nother level though. EvE is a game that requires intelligence, perseverance, patience, teamwork, INTELLIGENCE. The list goes on. You don't just play EvE. You commit to it.
And that is why I don't play it. I wish I could. I just can't commit to it, at this point. But my oh my!! I sure wish I had what it takes to play this game. I really do. EvE players have my respect and I think it ranks with the best MMO's created.
What I don't like however is when the PvP crowd uses EvE as their shining example of perfect PvP. I am guessing that maybe 10% of the people that do this would actually survive 10 minutes in the game. If you don't play the game , then don't use it as an example of PvP done right. It actually is, but that still does not mean what these people think it does.
Anemic? Hardly. More like the WoW playerbase is anemic, because they don't have the chutzpah to play EvE!
TIME SINK
Seriously? Queuing Skills and waiting 10 Days to learn your Skill requires intelligence?
Now you're just making Axehilt looking like he's an EVE "pro".
Sit down. Damn.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Originally posted by Bladestrom Wow is an outlier - it Skews the average sub per MMO. So if you want to look at how a game compares to the market you certainly do ignore outliers, and eve compared to the sub market is doing fine.
We're discussing market size. EVE's market size is small compared with the demand for gameplay-focused MMOs. You don't just get to claim something is an outlier and pretend that portion of real life doesn't exist. (You should be glad that's the case, because EVE itself is an outlier among sandboxes!)
Just because the whole truth is devastating to your desired world view that doesn't mean you get to ignore it.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
EVE needs a freakin' college degree dedicated entirely to the game in order to even start to understand it. And there's soooooo much more I can do with my time.
Whenever EVE doesn't stump you with the million-button interface of endless possibilities, you end up spending hours upon hours doing nothing but reading about what you should be doing next; reading every skill description and figuring out which ones relate to which others, reading guides in trying to make sense of all of this and reading quest logs for the few starter area quests.
My first venture into the EVE universe was a beta tester. I spent the first day shooting a beam at an asteroid. By day 4, after putting in several hours a day into the game, I was still shooting a beam at an asteroid. Two years later I re-entered the world as a gamer and spent countless hours trying to make sense of everything. By the time I started to get the hang of it, I saw my skill progression go from a few minutes to a few days... as in, I had to sit there, do nothing and wait for DAYS in order to advance to the point where the game would become interesting for me again - you can only shoot so many asteroids before you feel like gouging your eyeballs out.
Next attempt to enjoy the game came a few years later. All the die-hard "lifers" came out of the woodwork this time round and the chat was filled with nothing but people talking about capital ships and mega-huge-uber-battles. I'm still shooting beams at an asteroid.
The game's never been re-installed on my computer since. I've worked jobs in the corporate world that had more interesting spreadsheets than this game's "gameplay" is. The addition of the 10-year-veterans to the game's current status doesn't add anything for a new-comer, it just puts in perspective how hopelessly outclassed, outmatched and out-everything they are and will forever be, thanks to the leveling system you have to sit and wait in real time for.
Sadly, it also attracts some of the lowest, bottom-feeding scumbags our planet has ever seen.
Actively encouraged by CCP. Even High Sec is only an illusion of safety. If a corp of scumbags wants to grief in High-Sec all they need to do is pay 50 mill ( a tiny sum in Eve ) and issue a wardec against another corp that operates in high-sec. Then 24 hours later camp the gates and blow to atoms any member of that corp that use them. The corp on the receiving end can do nothing about it, even if it's a corp full of newbies. There is a corp at the moment that do that a lot. In fact I believe they have over 120 wardecs in place as I write this and why? So they can demand money from those that are unable to defend themselves against them.
That is just an example of something that is obviously a griefers charter that CCP turn a blind eye to. It is for reasons like this and because of the scum that use them that many players don't even finish their trial periods before uninstalling. Another are the rampant scams that are ever present. Just fly around Jita for 30 minutes and see how quickly you can populate your block list with scammers.
Sadly, it also attracts some of the lowest, bottom-feeding scumbags our planet has ever seen.
Actively encouraged by CCP. Even High Sec is only an illusion of safety. If a corp of scumbags wants to grief in High-Sec all they need to do is pay 50 mill ( a tiny sum in Eve ) and issue a wardec against another corp that operates in high-sec. Then 24 hours later camp the gates and blow to atoms any member of that corp that use them. The corp on the receiving end can do nothing about it, even if it's a corp full of newbies. There is a corp at the moment that do that a lot. In fact I believe they have over 120 wardecs in place as I write this and why? So they can demand money from those that are unable to defend themselves against them.
That is just an example of something that is obviously a griefers charter that CCP turn a blind eye to. It is for reasons like this and because of the scum that use them that many players don't even finish their trial periods before uninstalling. Another are the rampant scams that are ever present. Just fly around Jita for 30 minutes and see how quickly you can populate your block list with scammers.
You mean, other than the fact that CCP is reworking wardecs, banning multiboxed suicide ganks and removing the ability to awox (attack) corp mates witouth retaliation?
Yes, pvp in highsec is the pinnable of idiocy, for lack of a better term but thankfully many of those scenarios are being fixed at least and for the remaining ones you'd have to be extremly stupid to get yourself killed. Also, the whole point of the game is not to have complete safety anywhere (outside of a station that is). And you're spreading ignorance as usual, nobody 'quits eve' in the tutorial because of some evil griefers, because you can't even legally take advantage of people in tutorial zones.
MMos with a difficulty slider are the pinnable of uncreative design and artificial difficulty.
There is a saying: "Eve isn't boring, there is only boring people". For some reason a lot of people still think you are going to get spoonfed with achievements and fun by waiting for skills to train or whenr efusing to do your homework. Sadly that's not the case. Fortunately, though for the people who do commit some attention (and I said attention not time - the average eve player is a 30 years old man with an IT degree that works on a full job with wife and kids), it's the perfect mix of casual fun and hardcore elements.
"If EvE was a real Sandbox you would be able to Fly from one Solar System to the next with out a Stargate."
Have to agree with this.
Sure you could.
But who wants to spend a few weeks to years in real time flying straight through empty space ?
(it was bad enough for me flying 23 hours on afterburner back in the day when you could scan out hidden caches on deep space stash points with your directional scanner and steal someones goodies)
There are PVPers in WoW and there are PVErs in EVE
ReallyNow is trying to say that PVE and PVP should be seperate, he fails to understand that separating pvp and pve goes against the idea of a "sandbox" a true sandbox has everything at once in one universe
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In business terms, EVE's niche is a weak segment, so the term anemic isn't an attack but simply an accurate measure of how strong the niche market is. It's not very strong. Hence: anemic. It's up to you whether you treat the truth as a personal attack.
WOW offers PVE combat puzzles. If you choose the easy puzzles, it's easy. If you choose the hard ones, it's hard. People enjoy solving puzzles (as long as they're not forced to do puzzles they've totally mastered; hence the need for constant new content.)
Did significant balance work on Age of Empires 3 Asian Dynasties (also a little work on AOE2), and Rise of Nations (+expansion). In terms of design work, most of the games lately aren't even my own perfect preference of game because that's just how the industry works. For example even though I love the theme (advance your civilization from the dawn age to the space age), our PVP is progression-heavy and not "fair" PVP where skill always wins. So ironically it's exactly the type of casual PVP you'd enjoy!
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
Do you think EVE's appeal is strong, to a wide audience? No? Then you agree it's appeal is anemic. Why is everyone getting upset about the term? Half of you have openly admitted your understanding that EVE has a very limited appeal -- one poster even posted that they were grateful for the limited appeal!
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
You and I both know what you meant by "anemic". Perhaps choose your words more carefully.
Now, let the back peddling begin.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
It's a weak market. It's niche market. It's an anemic market. It all means the same thing.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
It's an accurate measure of market strength. If you choose to consider it unusually derogatory (beyond the fact that all synonyms for 'weak' aren't exactly going to be positive), that's actually your choice.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
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Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
The reality is that WOW and non-subscription games are part of the market. You can't just pretend they aren't part of the market because it's an inconvenient fact.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
WoW is for dummies.
And trust me I know a lot of intelligent people ( Doctors etc.) that play WoW. But it is a game for dummies. Thats what makes it appealing. Any dummy can pick it up and play it.
EvE is a whole 'nother level though. EvE is a game that requires intelligence, perseverance, patience, teamwork, INTELLIGENCE. The list goes on. You don't just play EvE. You commit to it.
And that is why I don't play it. I wish I could. I just can't commit to it, at this point. But my oh my!! I sure wish I had what it takes to play this game. I really do. EvE players have my respect and I think it ranks with the best MMO's created.
What I don't like however is when the PvP crowd uses EvE as their shining example of perfect PvP. I am guessing that maybe 10% of the people that do this would actually survive 10 minutes in the game. If you don't play the game , then don't use it as an example of PvP done right. It actually is, but that still does not mean what these people think it does.
Anemic? Hardly. More like the WoW playerbase is anemic, because they don't have the chutzpah to play EvE!
FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!
The market is anemic. Insulting WOW's playerbase doesn't change reality.
Beyond that, your insult doesn't even make sense. Is chess a "game for dummies" because it's simple to learn? No, we understand that games can offer both easy and difficult challenges (and that in fact the common ideal for game design is "simple to learn, difficult to master".) WOW's hardest challenges require a good deal of skill and intellect.
Your comment on PVP doesn't make sense either. Are you suggesting there are players who think EVE PVP is perfect, but who also can't last 10 minutes? I've never seen players like that.
In fact an earlier poster framed EVE PVP quite accurately when he conceded the game wasn't actually about PVP, but about modeling a virtual world. Which basically concedes that while the game may be a great military simulator, it's not actually a good PVP game...and it doesn't try to be.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
Clever wording on your part, but I'll concede that the market for EVE is weak, especially compared to the titans in almost every other market. Of course the market for Ferrari's is also anemic, so I guess EVE is in pretty good company.
Thanks for the game list, not my style of gaming, I'm strictly MMORPG's and quite truthfully, I've realized these days I'm strictly EVE, they just don't build MMO's as I prefer them anymore. (though if my DAOC freeshard ever relaunches I will have one other alternative)
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Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Check it out Bobby Brown!!!
You can put away your little book of "When To Make An Exception."
You don't decided to change the rules on what you presume is a Sandbox on your terms or when you decide to make an exception for it.
If EvE was a real Sandbox you would be able to Fly from one Solar System to the next with out a Stargate.
TIME SINK
Seriously? Queuing Skills and waiting 10 Days to learn your Skill requires intelligence?
Now you're just making Axehilt looking like he's an EVE "pro".
Sit down. Damn.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
We're discussing market size. EVE's market size is small compared with the demand for gameplay-focused MMOs. You don't just get to claim something is an outlier and pretend that portion of real life doesn't exist. (You should be glad that's the case, because EVE itself is an outlier among sandboxes!)
Just because the whole truth is devastating to your desired world view that doesn't mean you get to ignore it.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
EVE needs a freakin' college degree dedicated entirely to the game in order to even start to understand it. And there's soooooo much more I can do with my time.
Whenever EVE doesn't stump you with the million-button interface of endless possibilities, you end up spending hours upon hours doing nothing but reading about what you should be doing next; reading every skill description and figuring out which ones relate to which others, reading guides in trying to make sense of all of this and reading quest logs for the few starter area quests.
My first venture into the EVE universe was a beta tester. I spent the first day shooting a beam at an asteroid. By day 4, after putting in several hours a day into the game, I was still shooting a beam at an asteroid. Two years later I re-entered the world as a gamer and spent countless hours trying to make sense of everything. By the time I started to get the hang of it, I saw my skill progression go from a few minutes to a few days... as in, I had to sit there, do nothing and wait for DAYS in order to advance to the point where the game would become interesting for me again - you can only shoot so many asteroids before you feel like gouging your eyeballs out.
Next attempt to enjoy the game came a few years later. All the die-hard "lifers" came out of the woodwork this time round and the chat was filled with nothing but people talking about capital ships and mega-huge-uber-battles. I'm still shooting beams at an asteroid.
The game's never been re-installed on my computer since. I've worked jobs in the corporate world that had more interesting spreadsheets than this game's "gameplay" is. The addition of the 10-year-veterans to the game's current status doesn't add anything for a new-comer, it just puts in perspective how hopelessly outclassed, outmatched and out-everything they are and will forever be, thanks to the leveling system you have to sit and wait in real time for.
Actively encouraged by CCP. Even High Sec is only an illusion of safety. If a corp of scumbags wants to grief in High-Sec all they need to do is pay 50 mill ( a tiny sum in Eve ) and issue a wardec against another corp that operates in high-sec. Then 24 hours later camp the gates and blow to atoms any member of that corp that use them. The corp on the receiving end can do nothing about it, even if it's a corp full of newbies. There is a corp at the moment that do that a lot. In fact I believe they have over 120 wardecs in place as I write this and why? So they can demand money from those that are unable to defend themselves against them.
That is just an example of something that is obviously a griefers charter that CCP turn a blind eye to. It is for reasons like this and because of the scum that use them that many players don't even finish their trial periods before uninstalling. Another are the rampant scams that are ever present. Just fly around Jita for 30 minutes and see how quickly you can populate your block list with scammers.
You mean, other than the fact that CCP is reworking wardecs, banning multiboxed suicide ganks and removing the ability to awox (attack) corp mates witouth retaliation?
Yes, pvp in highsec is the pinnable of idiocy, for lack of a better term but thankfully many of those scenarios are being fixed at least and for the remaining ones you'd have to be extremly stupid to get yourself killed. Also, the whole point of the game is not to have complete safety anywhere (outside of a station that is). And you're spreading ignorance as usual, nobody 'quits eve' in the tutorial because of some evil griefers, because you can't even legally take advantage of people in tutorial zones.
MMos with a difficulty slider are the pinnable of uncreative design and artificial difficulty.
There is a saying: "Eve isn't boring, there is only boring people". For some reason a lot of people still think you are going to get spoonfed with achievements and fun by waiting for skills to train or whenr efusing to do your homework. Sadly that's not the case. Fortunately, though for the people who do commit some attention (and I said attention not time - the average eve player is a 30 years old man with an IT degree that works on a full job with wife and kids), it's the perfect mix of casual fun and hardcore elements.
"If EvE was a real Sandbox you would be able to Fly from one Solar System to the next with out a Stargate."
Have to agree with this.
Keep on rockin'!
Sure you could.
But who wants to spend a few weeks to years in real time flying straight through empty space ?
(it was bad enough for me flying 23 hours on afterburner back in the day when you could scan out hidden caches on deep space stash points with your directional scanner and steal someones goodies)
Have fun
Ironically enough, none of that has anything to do with a game being sandbox or not.
Sandbox = players create the content.
What he's describing is 'open world'. Not the same thing.
ReallyNow is trying to say that PVE and PVP should be seperate, he fails to understand that separating pvp and pve goes against the idea of a "sandbox" a true sandbox has everything at once in one universe
Except for the fact that a determined PvP player can kill a PvE player anytime in EVE Online, even in the most secure areas.
Suicide ganking is an art form in EVE.
Have fun