Im curious as to how the players who actually dropped the game due to its dumbing down will take this... I for one dont care how they set up the play options... if the game sucks it doesnt matter if they make it free. I wont play it.
I played from the beta of Vanilla and I hate what the game has become since the release of Wrath. Blizzard can take that PoS game and shove it where the sun don't shine.
Yeah, there's always that. If people played WoW while players had to pay a subscription themselves, were presumably fine with paying, and suddenly stopped playing the game. I don't think it was the payment model that was their issue with the game.
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So, how does this work, when it's generally a "bad" thing, (P2W) we can dismiss the term as not relevant to MMORPGs? But when it's a "good" thing (yyyeah riiight) we can all trumpet from the hilltops how "good" this is and how "everybody wins"?
The community doesn't "win" here. This kind of set up undermines everything that isn't combat.
Not that it matters to WOW anymore. They killed crafting. The economy hasn't mattered in the past few expansions. Gold has been devaluated so Hell, Why not?
I don't think the token will be all that. They haven't stated exactly what the amount of gold will be to purchase one yet... given past in-game gold item pricing set by Blizzard, it will likely be well above the 100,000 gold mark... so unless you have been squirreling away your gold all these years, odds are, you won't be able to fund your gaming through tokens. As I see it, you will probably need to play around 6 months to earn enough gold to get one free month. They get 6 months of you trying to scrape up enough gold to play for free... that's far better than you not playing for 6 months while you wait for some new content release.
Smart move by blizzard to make these soulbound once you purchase them from AH.
Removes all the possibilities of abusing or exploiting.
I don't think the token will be all that. They haven't stated exactly what the amount of gold will be to purchase one yet... given past in-game gold item pricing set by Blizzard, it will likely be well above the 100,000 gold mark... so unless you have been squirreling away your gold all these years, odds are, you won't be able to fund your gaming through tokens. As I see it, you will probably need to play around 6 months to earn enough gold to get one free month. They get 6 months of you trying to scrape up enough gold to play for free... that's far better than you not playing for 6 months while you wait for some new content release.
This is just a ploy to get you to play more... it's more like a pyramid scheme... you really aren't going to beat the house.
Sure you can acquire gold in-game legally now... but honestly, do you really have that much stuff that you need to buy? This hoopla will be short lived once everyone realizes it's not really adding anything.
Of course, this could all backfire on them and players could purchase game time tokens and not use them until the next expansion is released... think about it, they typically get about 2 months of play out of players... two tokens and you've cost them 60 days of game time that they normally would have calculated into their earnings during a release.
It's incredibly easy to get gold now. Getting 100,000 gold in a couple days is a reality even for a casual. Heck, if you have 11 one hundreds you can make that much alone just off of Dragon Soul each week.
Not sure where the "it will take six months to get" comes in there, unless each token costs tens of millions.
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I left WoW for good after the WoD disaster, and I'm NEVER going back as long as Garrisons and the other game -play wrecking changes are in force. I had played the game since 1.0, and would have qualified for the orc statuette if I hadn't left then.
If the lamers at Blizzard think that this will lure me back, they are sadly mistaken. I've stopped playing ALL Blizzard games. They've lost me as a fan-boy for good.
To me, I think that this will be a decent system. Just like the others and pretty much the first to make this work, EVE. I read people won't like it because it will encourage scamming, and gold sellers to come in or any number of other gripes. Seems that some people have just heard about and not actually read up on it.
1. The price will be set by Blizzard, not the seller. No seeing these going from say 75000 to 1 million or some crazy high number like in EVE.
2. Gold sellers and scammers like to get something for nothing but their time, this is not that. It will cost either way for them as it cannot be traded or used as it is a BoA as soon as it is bought from the exchange or AH, can't remember which one they were going with. No buying low and selling high.
3. Gives people the chance to play again that cannot afford it and have the gold for it, and some can use it as a means of acquiring gold that can afford to buy the tokens from Blizzard and sell them that simply do not have the time to log in everyday and play.
I really do not see any drawback to any of these things.
Welcome to relative morality. 3rd party gold sellers = bad. Players that buy from them = bad lamers.
But when the game itself does it it's the most wonderful thing ever lol.
Fucking crazy ass shit.
Well, Blizzard doesn't go around hacking people's accounts to be stripped bare of all valuables and to be used as farmbots - easily costing the victimized players days of playtime while their account is investigated and as Blizzard has to restore it back to what it was...
There's a huge difference between supporting a bunch of criminals and backing the company who's game you're obviously enjoying. Aside from goldfarmers being scumbags, I couldn't care less about whether someone farmed 24/7 for their gold or has bought it somewhere. I'll just play at my own pace, as I've always done.
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I bought many gold form 3rd party gold sellers like IGXE.COM. it's a good news for me to buy gold form auction house. And now I am a little worried about the gold price. Once the in-game mall and AH sells token, is that means 3rd gold sellers will update the price to follow the official price? or the AH price will follow the 3rd party gold sellers, for the seller may ? it's maybe more higher than current. if the token was bought by black credits card and be putted on AH, is that also can be used selling? will the token or game time be recycled if it is? For me, I will choose the one I can get gold safer, faster, and cheaper way, if i am still playing WoW.
Welcome to relative morality. 3rd party gold sellers = bad. Players that buy from them = bad lamers.
But when the game itself does it it's the most wonderful thing ever lol.
Fucking crazy ass shit.
Well, Blizzard doesn't go around hacking people's accounts to be stripped bare of all valuables and to be used as farmbots - easily costing the victimized players days of playtime while their account is investigated and as Blizzard has to restore it back to what it was...
There's a huge difference between supporting a bunch of criminals and backing the company who's game you're obviously enjoying. Aside from goldfarmers being scumbags, I couldn't care less about whether someone farmed 24/7 for their gold or has bought it somewhere. I'll just play at my own pace, as I've always done.
Assuming you even get your stuff back. Some MMO are quite bad/slow at retreiving your accounts.
Idk to put into perspective for people that defend goldsellers: Let's say i was a money lender. And most of my money would come from robbing people, stealing stuff, manipulating markets and whatnot. The act of lending or "selling" money is not bad of itself, so it must be ok, right?
Idk, maybe coz it's pixels people just shrug off or disregard the bad things those people do and influence the gameplay of others ? Or they just don't comprehend how it's all connected. Dunno.
Old time wow player since vanilla in 2004 up to panda land (but did not play MoP) . I left a few times, always went back, this went on for the the 8-9 years I played. I then Left for GW2 permanently. I decided I am no longer going to support the monthly sub model after I did the math and came up with spending about $1800 american funds..on one game. (sub, original game cost and all expacs I purchased)
There are a couple of problems with this, you first have to have an active WOW account, if not then you need to pay to have one and enough gold. We do not know what the market value of game token is going to be like but if the arcticle is accurate everyone has gold and nothing to spend it on. Who is going to step up and spend real money just to get........more gold? And since it was always pretty easy to farm to begin with I am not sure I see the value.
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There are a couple of problems with this, you first have to have an active WOW account, if not then you need to pay to have one and enough gold. We do not know what the market value of game token is going to be like but if the arcticle is accurate everyone has gold and nothing to spend it on. Who is going to step up and spend real money just to get........more gold? And since it was always pretty easy to farm to begin with I am not sure I see the value.
I was thinking about this earlier and I think the parts in yellow is the point of it all.
Time to grind some quests for gold, perhaps by leveling my priest who's still 90.
Speaking of Wildstar, tried the free 10 days over the weekend. Man... It's just not worth it. Its like a combo of WoW with GW2 combat on crack. I play both WoW and Gw2 daily, so ... idk it's just not as good as either. It feels to much like a game and not enough like a world. Mostly off-topic, but it was on my mind.
sorry, but i think comparing wildstar's combat to GW2 is an insult to wildstar.
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There are a couple of problems with this, you first have to have an active WOW account, if not then you need to pay to have one and enough gold. We do not know what the market value of game token is going to be like but if the arcticle is accurate everyone has gold and nothing to spend it on. .
I was thinking about this earlier and I think the parts in yellow is the point of it all.
Lemme clarify some of this.
- you do NOT need to have an active account, the new patch 6.1 introduced the "vet" account where you can still log and play (chars up to 20). The higher level chars are Unavailable and will be eligible to be "Reactivated for Gold" (if this won't change) - if that char has enough Gold. I assume this will reactivate all your account obviously.
- the token price, if what I heard is correct, will be based around gold prices at gold-selling sites. Which is logical. Did a bit of research and:
- 30 days is 14.99 USD at Blizz store
- 20.000 Gold is about 15-20 USD at the gold sellers
I would expect the price of a token to be situated around 20K Gold, at start, and probably slightly go down from there.
There is no way Blizz will be selling much higher, when one of their explicit goals is to fight the gold sellers by offering a legit alternative, or people will just buy cheaper gold from the china-fu dudes.
A co-worker who also plays said, "so, they're going to flood the economy with gold," when I related this to him. As I understand it, though, the gold is already out there, just sitting in the "bags" of longtime players who can't figure out what else to spend it on. Free game time seems like a pretty logical way to try to combat gold "markets."
The only way the average player can pay for time is to be a heavy dungeon player. I have 10 garrisons and I doubt I get more than 25k a month out of them.
Originally posted by Ozmodan The only way the average player can pay for time is to be a heavy dungeon player. I have 10 garrisons and I doubt I get more than 25k a month out of them.
Playing WoD for about 2.5 months. Started with 40K that I had from Cata. Now I have 168K and a ton of resources, such as 3000 Primal Spirits and much more.
That puts my income at about 50K/month, and it is worth mentioning, I did NOT specifically farm for anything. All I did was create garrison, upgrade it&followers, run missions, get resources, and play the game, including LFR and the daily heroic. Running some old raids solo for transmogs/mounts/achievements brought me some gold as well.
This is for a SINGLE char. I didn't bother with other chars, since I need to gear up my main, and that takes lots of time.
This is a bold move and I would be looking forward to it, but I'm used to Acti-Blizzard's tactics by now, especially after the RMAH lure of D3 only to have the door slammed in my face once I've paid for the game despite the advertising on the box to get me into it.
I'm expecting less and less gold to be paid out in WoW's quests, salvage, mob loot, etc. so the sub will still be made to look the most attractive offer for game time. Then the complaints, gold increases from grinding becomes allowed by Blizz again, then so many people are back, then the WoW Token is scrapped once Blizz have made their cash and lured people back in. RMAH II.
Originally posted by Ozmodan The only way the average player can pay for time is to be a heavy dungeon player. I have 10 garrisons and I doubt I get more than 25k a month out of them.
May well be true - if they were going to use gold to buy a token every month. And Blizzard might have to counter with shorter length tokens e.g. 10 day ones.
However there are potentially millions of players and if they all only buy one token - subject to availability of tokens of course - then that could well satisfy gold buyer demand.
And in doing so it will cut off the supply of $$$ to gold sellers.
For sure gold sellers will be able to use their gold to buy AH tokens - but as the tokens are soul bound gold sellers will then be faced with selling - and advertising etc. - accounts with one or more tokens - and maybe even some gold! New accounts from Blizzard - expensive; buy ex-accounts, add some tokens and maybe some gold - possible but its a whole new ball game. And it assumes that there is a big market for "new" accounts out there.
This is a bold move and I would be looking forward to it, but I'm used to Acti-Blizzard's tactics by now, especially after the RMAH lure of D3 only to have the door slammed in my face once I've paid for the game despite the advertising on the box to get me into it.
I'm expecting less and less gold to be paid out in WoW's quests, salvage, mob loot, etc. so the sub will still be made to look the most attractive offer for game time. Then the complaints, gold increases from grinding becomes allowed by Blizz again, then so many people are back, then the WoW Token is scrapped once Blizz have made their cash and lured people back in. RMAH II.
They don't even have to do this. What you and many don't realize is the players do not decide what the price Tokens sell for on the AH. Blizzard does. So while many people may think it's going to be no more than 20k~ per token, the price is going to be determined by Blizzard.
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Yeah, there's always that. If people played WoW while players had to pay a subscription themselves, were presumably fine with paying, and suddenly stopped playing the game. I don't think it was the payment model that was their issue with the game.
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Oh but wait!!!!!!!
I thought nobody "wins" in MMORPGs?
So, how does this work, when it's generally a "bad" thing, (P2W) we can dismiss the term as not relevant to MMORPGs? But when it's a "good" thing (yyyeah riiight) we can all trumpet from the hilltops how "good" this is and how "everybody wins"?
The community doesn't "win" here. This kind of set up undermines everything that isn't combat.
Not that it matters to WOW anymore. They killed crafting. The economy hasn't mattered in the past few expansions. Gold has been devaluated so Hell, Why not?
This is my thoughts as well!
This has actually made me think of trying the game out...
i. have. NEVER.
played.
WOW.
It's incredibly easy to get gold now. Getting 100,000 gold in a couple days is a reality even for a casual. Heck, if you have 11 one hundreds you can make that much alone just off of Dragon Soul each week.
Not sure where the "it will take six months to get" comes in there, unless each token costs tens of millions.
I left WoW for good after the WoD disaster, and I'm NEVER going back as long as Garrisons and the other game -play wrecking changes are in force. I had played the game since 1.0, and would have qualified for the orc statuette if I hadn't left then.
If the lamers at Blizzard think that this will lure me back, they are sadly mistaken. I've stopped playing ALL Blizzard games. They've lost me as a fan-boy for good.
To me, I think that this will be a decent system. Just like the others and pretty much the first to make this work, EVE. I read people won't like it because it will encourage scamming, and gold sellers to come in or any number of other gripes. Seems that some people have just heard about and not actually read up on it.
1. The price will be set by Blizzard, not the seller. No seeing these going from say 75000 to 1 million or some crazy high number like in EVE.
2. Gold sellers and scammers like to get something for nothing but their time, this is not that. It will cost either way for them as it cannot be traded or used as it is a BoA as soon as it is bought from the exchange or AH, can't remember which one they were going with. No buying low and selling high.
3. Gives people the chance to play again that cannot afford it and have the gold for it, and some can use it as a means of acquiring gold that can afford to buy the tokens from Blizzard and sell them that simply do not have the time to log in everyday and play.
I really do not see any drawback to any of these things.
Well, Blizzard doesn't go around hacking people's accounts to be stripped bare of all valuables and to be used as farmbots - easily costing the victimized players days of playtime while their account is investigated and as Blizzard has to restore it back to what it was...
There's a huge difference between supporting a bunch of criminals and backing the company who's game you're obviously enjoying. Aside from goldfarmers being scumbags, I couldn't care less about whether someone farmed 24/7 for their gold or has bought it somewhere. I'll just play at my own pace, as I've always done.
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For me, I will choose the one I can get gold safer, faster, and cheaper way, if i am still playing WoW.
Indeed.
+1
Assuming you even get your stuff back. Some MMO are quite bad/slow at retreiving your accounts.
Idk to put into perspective for people that defend goldsellers: Let's say i was a money lender. And most of my money would come from robbing people, stealing stuff, manipulating markets and whatnot. The act of lending or "selling" money is not bad of itself, so it must be ok, right?
Idk, maybe coz it's pixels people just shrug off or disregard the bad things those people do and influence the gameplay of others ? Or they just don't comprehend how it's all connected. Dunno.
Situation for 4-5y now: so I am level 14, I want to buy a green piece of armor/weapon on the AH.
As I said,level 14...
"I got 24 gold....hey a nice bow, green quality, only 2400 gold....wait...what?"
Ok....I see green boots now.....2 on the AH....one for sale for 300 gold, the other 750 gold?????
hmmm....level 100 now...hey a nice blue sword on the AH.........12000 gold? whaaaaa?"
WOW AH items have been overpriced since they hit the AH since Launch.
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There are a couple of problems with this, you first have to have an active WOW account, if not then you need to pay to have one and enough gold. We do not know what the market value of game token is going to be like but if the arcticle is accurate everyone has gold and nothing to spend it on. Who is going to step up and spend real money just to get........more gold? And since it was always pretty easy to farm to begin with I am not sure I see the value.
I was thinking about this earlier and I think the parts in yellow is the point of it all.
sorry, but i think comparing wildstar's combat to GW2 is an insult to wildstar.
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Lemme clarify some of this.
- you do NOT need to have an active account, the new patch 6.1 introduced the "vet" account where you can still log and play (chars up to 20). The higher level chars are Unavailable and will be eligible to be "Reactivated for Gold" (if this won't change) - if that char has enough Gold. I assume this will reactivate all your account obviously.
- the token price, if what I heard is correct, will be based around gold prices at gold-selling sites. Which is logical. Did a bit of research and:
- 30 days is 14.99 USD at Blizz store
- 20.000 Gold is about 15-20 USD at the gold sellers
I would expect the price of a token to be situated around 20K Gold, at start, and probably slightly go down from there.
There is no way Blizz will be selling much higher, when one of their explicit goals is to fight the gold sellers by offering a legit alternative, or people will just buy cheaper gold from the china-fu dudes.
Playing WoD for about 2.5 months. Started with 40K that I had from Cata. Now I have 168K and a ton of resources, such as 3000 Primal Spirits and much more.
That puts my income at about 50K/month, and it is worth mentioning, I did NOT specifically farm for anything. All I did was create garrison, upgrade it&followers, run missions, get resources, and play the game, including LFR and the daily heroic. Running some old raids solo for transmogs/mounts/achievements brought me some gold as well.
This is for a SINGLE char. I didn't bother with other chars, since I need to gear up my main, and that takes lots of time.
This is a bold move and I would be looking forward to it, but I'm used to Acti-Blizzard's tactics by now, especially after the RMAH lure of D3 only to have the door slammed in my face once I've paid for the game despite the advertising on the box to get me into it.
I'm expecting less and less gold to be paid out in WoW's quests, salvage, mob loot, etc. so the sub will still be made to look the most attractive offer for game time. Then the complaints, gold increases from grinding becomes allowed by Blizz again, then so many people are back, then the WoW Token is scrapped once Blizz have made their cash and lured people back in. RMAH II.
May well be true - if they were going to use gold to buy a token every month. And Blizzard might have to counter with shorter length tokens e.g. 10 day ones.
However there are potentially millions of players and if they all only buy one token - subject to availability of tokens of course - then that could well satisfy gold buyer demand.
And in doing so it will cut off the supply of $$$ to gold sellers.
For sure gold sellers will be able to use their gold to buy AH tokens - but as the tokens are soul bound gold sellers will then be faced with selling - and advertising etc. - accounts with one or more tokens - and maybe even some gold! New accounts from Blizzard - expensive; buy ex-accounts, add some tokens and maybe some gold - possible but its a whole new ball game. And it assumes that there is a big market for "new" accounts out there.
They don't even have to do this. What you and many don't realize is the players do not decide what the price Tokens sell for on the AH. Blizzard does. So while many people may think it's going to be no more than 20k~ per token, the price is going to be determined by Blizzard.