Originally posted by Cymek The soulution is a mix of both. There needs to be instanced areas for people to go in with their friends and not be harrassed. And there needs to be extensive common area adventuring for that unpredictability that comes with it. Any devs in here? Please listen.....mix extensive instanced areas with extensive open areas...give us instances with group size limits ranging from 3 people to 24 people...with difficulty and rewards to match.
This is how CoH/CoV plays... you have open city zones with aggro mobs and instanced door missions to solo or group tackle as you heart desires. I do almost exclusively instanced missions, my boyfriend chooses to grind. Tomayto omahto... I think that balance is what we look for in a game.
My boyfriend and I beta'd DDO and found the lack of roaming mobs kinda flattened the experience. That and the fact that you can run through other PCs... what's up with that? I can get stuck on a barrel I can't quite jump over, but I can run straight through my partner? Weee-eeeird!
The graphics were ok, but nothing to write home about. Yeah WoW looks better in a cartoony way, Linage 2 and RF Online rock the socks of DDO in the graphics department (as does CoH IMO), but DDO fails to stand on it's pedigree. It's Dungeons and Dragons for goodness' sake!! Why can't I love it the way I should?!
<hugging dicebag for comfort>
I love the character-building (not the graphic part, but the customization of skills and proficiencies.) I love making new characters in AD&D almost as much as RPing them. I liked that I can change the keybinds. I hate using the mouse and WASD doesn't work for me. I like using the number pad. I liked the GM voice-overs. I HATED the spiders becaused they looked TOO good. <shiver> I've been killing bunnies for too long, I forgot about all the rats and spiders in low level D&D adventures.
All in all, I'll wait for awhile to see where this game goes. I can't plunk down fundage on it until I'm thoroughly bored with CoH, and I can't justify spending $15 on more than one game at a time.
A Rod of Silence means never having to say sorry. -- Dork Tower
Originally posted by Cymek The soulution is a mix of both. There needs to be instanced areas for people to go in with their friends and not be harrassed. And there needs to be extensive common area adventuring for that unpredictability that comes with it. Any devs in here? Please listen.....mix extensive instanced areas with extensive open areas...give us instances with group size limits ranging from 3 people to 24 people...with difficulty and rewards to match.
The graphics were ok, but nothing to write home about. Yeah WoW looks better in a cartoony way, Linage 2 and RF Online rock the socks of DDO in the graphics department (as does CoH IMO), but DDO fails to stand on it's pedigree. It's Dungeons and Dragons for goodness' sake!! Why can't I love it the way I should?!
You honestly have to be joking. What are your system specs? You really think CoH has better graphics than DDO?
And I won't debate about Lineage 2 and RF Online. I despise the anime look, and those games have 0 appeal to me. Also, wasn't Lineage 2 the game that the only customization was the type of hair your Elf Stripper had?
Also, to the OP, you can't honestly claim to be impartial and then rant and rave like you did. Impartial means you only look at the facts, like a jury would.
Originally posted by burrek Originally posted by Shayde I wanted this game for years. Looking foreward to it since I first heard of it.. First instance of Bias. Unless I missed something here. Please tell me I missed something here. Extreme bias! You were expecting something and did not get it. Where's the exploration? Where's the mobs? Where's the social setting? Where's the feel of a fantasy game? More bias. If this is it... then this is over. WoW buries this game... And more... I wanted so much more. Glad I got to test it before I bought it. Back to WoW. ... Nice biased conclusion. It's ok to have your opinion but you should try to develope the presence of mind to recognize your own bias and prejudice. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.
You confuse opinion with bias. And you still didn't read the definition of Impartial. Impartial people are Juries. They listen to the evidence and MAKE THEIR CONCLUSIONS BASED ON IT.
I went in complately impartial. I made my conclustions based on gameplay.
Thus Impartial.
Look it up.. if you didn't believe Dictionary.com.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Originally posted by Shayde I wanted this game for years. Looking foreward to it since I first heard of it.. First instance of Bias. Unless I missed something here. Please tell me I missed something here. Extreme bias! You were expecting something and did not get it. Where's the exploration? Where's the mobs? Where's the social setting? Where's the feel of a fantasy game? More bias. If this is it... then this is over. WoW buries this game... And more... I wanted so much more. Glad I got to test it before I bought it. Back to WoW. ... Nice biased conclusion.
It's ok to have your opinion but you should try to develope the presence of mind to recognize your own bias and prejudice. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.
You confuse opinion with bias. And you still didn't read the definition of Impartial. Impartial people are Juries. They listen to the evidence and MAKE THEIR CONCLUSIONS BASED ON IT.
I went in complately impartial. I made my conclustions based on gameplay.
Thus Impartial.
Look it up.. if you didn't believe Dictionary.com.
Impartial juries are not supposed to be affected by opinion at all. Everything in your review is entirely opinion. The mere fact that you don't like the game means you aren't impartial. This is not an impartial view of the game. The end.
edit: And as long as we are using Dictionary.com to prove points, lets pop over to the thesaurus on the site:
Impartial jures FORM their opinion from the facts on hand, not personal bias or outside influence.
You quoted synonyms, which isn't the same as a definition. They are SIMILAR terms.
But to add.. From Mirriim-Webster's dictionary of law.
ain Entry: im·par·tial Pronunciation: im-'pär-sh&l Function: adjective : not partial or biased : treating or affecting all equally im·par·ti·al·i·ty /im-"pär-shE-'a-l&-tE/ noun im·par·tial·ly adverb
adj 1: showing lack of favoritism; "the cold neutrality of an impartial judge" [syn: fair] [ant: partial] 2: free from undue bias or preconceived opinions; "an unprejudiced appraisal of the pros and cons"; "the impartial eye of a scientist" [syn: unprejudiced] [ant: prejudiced]
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. - Indigo Montoya
You seem to be confusing Impartial with Impersonal
im·per·son·al Audio pronunciation of "impersonal" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-pûrs-nl) adj.
1. Lacking personality; not being a person: an impersonal force. 2. 1. Showing no emotion or personality: an aloof, impersonal manner. 2. Having no personal reference or connection: an impersonal remark. 3. Not responsive to or expressive of human personalities: a large, impersonal corporation.
Evaluating the game and determing the game sucks is not bias. It is a conclusion.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Originally posted by Shayde ...This game needs a saving throw.
Ok, I cropped your post a bit. But this was just funny. I understand you don't like the game and I guess it's just not for you. But that was truly funny. A+ humor.
Originally posted by Shayde Impartial jures FORM their opinion from the facts on hand, not personal bias or outside influence. You quoted synonyms, which isn't the same as a definition. They are SIMILAR terms. But to add.. From Mirriim-Webster's dictionary of law.
ain Entry: im·par·tial Pronunciation: im-'pär-sh&l Function: adjective : not partial or biased : treating or affecting all equally im·par·ti·al·i·ty /im-"pär-shE-'a-l&-tE/ noun im·par·tial·ly adverb
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. - Indigo Montoya
You seem to be confusing Impartial with Impersonal
im·per·son·al Audio pronunciation of "impersonal" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-pûrs-nl) adj.
1. Lacking personality; not being a person: an impersonal force. 2. 1. Showing no emotion or personality: an aloof, impersonal manner. 2. Having no personal reference or connection: an impersonal remark. 3. Not responsive to or expressive of human personalities: a large, impersonal corporation.
Evaluating the game and determing the game sucks is not bias. It is a conclusion.
You said in your first post you had expectations for the game, you could have never been impartial to the game if you had expectations. A judge doesn't go into a court case expecting someone to be innocent or guilty. You keep quoting definitions that go against what you're trying to claim impartial is. Your first post wasn't cold neutrality, it was emotional ranting like any other review I've read on this forum.
I'm sorry that you're wrong, and we can debate this until the end of eternity if you'd like, but you'll never be any closer to be correct.
And impersonal is not what I meant. A guy who never played D&D or had absolutely no expectations going into the game is about the only person who could claim to be impartial.
Impartial - I set aside any biases and went in cold.
But I'm done arguing with a crazy person. They just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
But I find it funny how you can only argue with the fact that you disagee with one word in the title.. not that the game blows.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Originally posted by Shayde Impartial - I set aside any biases and went in cold. But I'm done arguing with a crazy person. They just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. But I find it funny how you can only argue with the fact that you disagee with one word in the title.. not that the game blows.
You weren't impartial. I only argue facts, I couldn't careless about your opinion of the game, as there is no way I can factually prove the game is good. I like it, you can't prove I don't.
Originally posted by hadz I personally don't think the OP was being biased... He went in with certain expectations, which certainly isn't bias... And he was disappointed...that's how I read it anyway.
HE gets it.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
It always makes me laugh... When someone here cannot seem to convince someone else that they are right and the other is wrong, they resort to attacking the other poster...
In other words, it doesn't really make much difference if the OP is impartial or not... Was he right or wrong in his points?
Impartial juries are not supposed to be affected by opinion at all. Everything in your review is entirely opinion. The mere fact that you don't like the game means you aren't impartial. This is not an impartial view of the game. The end.
Show me an impartial jury, and I will show you a utopia. There is no such thing as an impartial jury. Just as there is no such thing as an impartial judge. They are all human and subject to human influences.
Therefore the OP is as impartial as he could be...
Originally posted by Shayde Impartial jures FORM their opinion from the facts on hand, not personal bias or outside influence. You quoted synonyms, which isn't the same as a definition. They are SIMILAR terms. But to add.. From Mirriim-Webster's dictionary of law.
ain Entry: im·par·tial Pronunciation: im-'pär-sh&l Function: adjective : not partial or biased : treating or affecting all equally im·par·ti·al·i·ty /im-"pär-shE-'a-l&-tE/ noun im·par·tial·ly adverb
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. - Indigo Montoya
You seem to be confusing Impartial with Impersonal
im·per·son·al Audio pronunciation of "impersonal" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-pûrs-nl) adj.
1. Lacking personality; not being a person: an impersonal force. 2. 1. Showing no emotion or personality: an aloof, impersonal manner. 2. Having no personal reference or connection: an impersonal remark. 3. Not responsive to or expressive of human personalities: a large, impersonal corporation.
Evaluating the game and determing the game sucks is not bias. It is a conclusion.
As I stated before there are no impartial juries... If you think that a jury only takes into consideration the facts, you live in a small world of your own making. Have you ever served on a jury? I have, and the other jurors had opinions going in. Again they are all human, and are subject to influences just as you and I are.
Originally posted by ataridc And impersonal is not what I meant. A guy who never played D&D or had absolutely no expectations going into the game is about the only person who could claim to be impartial.
Everyone has expectations going into a game... wether it be from reading things off of a web page or reading something off a box. Why would someone take the time to download a beta version of a game otherwise?
The OP was as impartial as he could be. The things you should be talking about here is wether he was right or wrong in what he posted, not wether he was impartial or not.
Originally posted by Shayde First of all.. I played D&D while most of you whippersnappers were in diapers. (shakes cane in the air). I wanted this game for years. Looking foreward to it since I first heard of it.. only a Shadowrun game would make me happier, or maybe SWG2. Boom.. online. Created 4 characters just because I liked the character creator. Detail that was almost as good as SWG or CoH. Real refreshing change from WoW. What the heck is that race that looks like a flesh golem? The women and the men look aloke! HAHA. Nice job. Ok, I don't entirely agree. There's a great deal of ways to modify the face, but all races share hair styles, and it's weird that I can put glasses on a halfling or dwarf, but not a human. I also wish there were varying height sizes, since that adds a lot to making people not look identical. Get in.. looks very nice. They went for realism instead of cartoony... and they pulled it off MUCH better than EQ2. It feels gritty. So far so good. I agree with this. EQ looks bland and painfully generic. I feel like I'm playing with a model from that Poser program. In contrast DDO has a nice realistic look to it, but still maintains its own style. Also, there hair doesn't look like it came out of the Play-Doh fun factory like in EQ 2. Ok.. so there's not much freedom in the tutorial. Pretty standard "here's how you do it". Here's where I start to get annoyed. Right mouse button is really making me mad... mouse-clicky combat is what makes SWG-nge suck... but it is much more tolerable. Maybe it's where I've been a gamer all my life, from console gaming to first person shooters, but actually controlling my character's attacks feels much more immersive to me than pressing auto attack and watching combat. Considering the rest of the design of the game deviates greatly from your average MMO as well(from climbing, to floor puzzles, sneaking around, etc) I think the combat system blends well with the rest of the game. My only problem is that there is no kick animation for the kick attack.
Exploring around... suddenly notice there is nohing to explore. No world to wander and hunt up creatures. EVERYTHING IS FREAKING INSTANCED. Find a party and hit an instance, over and over and over again. This is obviously debatable and comes down to personal taste. The game opens up a lot as you get to different parts of the city, but for me the exploration comes from the dungeons. I've already found tons of secrets, and interactivity on a level that I've never encountered in any other MMO. I enjoyed games like Asheron's Calls open worlds, but I'm not sure if I can deal with another game that has 30 minute walks to quests or other towns or whatever. That was awesome at first, then kind of cute, now at this point I understand how these games work and it's not nearly as impressive anymore. Unless I missed something here. Please tell me I missed something here. You missed something here. But judging by people's reactions to games like Vanguard, it seems people just want EQ repeated over and over again and there may be no room for deviating from formula. Or maybe this game was never going to appeal to you from the start? Where's the exploration? Where's the mobs? Where's the social setting? Where's the feel of a fantasy game? You explore dungeons in the depths of Stormreach. You do battles on pirate ships. You explore the outside jungles of the mostly unexplored Xen'Drik continent. Later in the game you travel further and further out into the wilds. Do you actually walk there? No. Is this a bad thing? Well, to you I guess it is, to me it isn't. Opinions are crazy things.
If this is it... then this is over. WoW buries this game, because in all the time I played DDO, I NEVER FOUND THE FUN. This game needs a saving throw. I don't know what to say to this. It's baseless opinion. I think WoW definitely has a more mainstream appeal, but I hit 60 and grew bored of that game long ago. I love DDO for what it doesn't do. I want to pop in and get right to the action. I don't care about arts and crafts or player based economies that end up run by gold farmers who hog every decent place to level or get gold to where the only way you can advance is either to join a hardcore guild that is like having a job(which isn't fun) or spending my real money on pretend game items(which I would never do). I thought WoW was an awesome game, but like any game after you see much of what there is to do, you move on. At least I do. If you're still having fun in WoW then by all means keep on. As far as Guild Wars goes, it was a great game too, and did what it set out to do fairly well. I'm playing DDO for the DnD setting, the DnD rules(which I know are bent for the sake of being adapted into a fun computer game), the DnD races, but most of all I'm playing for the skill system. This game has tons of room for custimization, and I'm not even sure what I want to start as. I've had fun mindlessly bashing heads with my barbarian, but I also loved the improvising and vast amounts of utility I had playing a wizard. I could play a Halfling barbarian and get a +1 to my attack and an armor bonus, or a human barbarian and get an extra feat. I can min/max my stats to be specialized at one good thing, or go for a balanced build and be more of a jack of all trades. I can take shield feats and dodge on a warrior to be defensive, or offensive attacks and 2 handed fighting to be damaging. There's a lot of room for differentiating yourself from others(even others playing the same class) and it makes for not having to fit one specific role, which is a nice change from other games. The skills, like searching, repair, heal, jump, swim all find their use at some point in the dungeons, which makes it fun when you come to a long swim and say, "Well hey, I got the highest swim here, so let me scout ahead!" Stuff like that makes me feel way more immersed than inching my way through one of WoW's instances which basically equate to walking a few feet, pulling, walking a couple more feet, pulling. As for GW, the game is about PVP and everything else in that game comes second. I don't really have anything memorable to say about the non pvp aspect of the game other than it kind of felt like a 3D diablo. Most of all, when it comes to DDO, I just feel like I'm playing a game. I never have to ask myself whether what I'm doing is actually fun. I don't have make a 50 minute walk to Ironforge every time I make a new character, or wait 30 minutes for a boat like in FFXI. That stuff was novel at first, but wears on anyones patience after awhile. I can't say I'll be playing DDO for an extremely long amount of time, probably not nearly as long as I played WoW, but I don't get into these games for life long commitments. If I play for 2 months and have a blast, that's money well spent to me. It's not the amount of time I play, but the fun I have during the time that I do play it that matters to me. As long as Turbine is dedicated to making new content additions, and I'm enjoying the game, I'll pay the fee to keep playing. I never felt immersed. Especially when I was watching myself throw a 20 sided die every time. Why the hell do I want to pretend to throw dice? When was dice throws the FUN of D&D.. it was the RPing and what happened if you GOT a good roll... not the rolling itself. If I want to roll dice for fun, I'm playing craps. I really don't see how this affected your gameplay. It's a way to show you if you hit or not, which every game has, but the dice are kind of a staple of DnD, and it's as a good a way to show this information as any. I like it, myself. I wanted so much more. Glad I got to test it before I bought it. Back to WoW. <--------- WoW boards are that way
There ya go, I argued his opinions. Is it going to make a difference? No. Is he going to give the game a second chance(or did he ever give it a fair chance in the first place)? Probably not.
The whole problem with this game is immersion. This has none. Great for a console game, but not an MMORPG.
What made D&D fun was your character. How they made their way in an imaginary world, found interesting battles or dungeons, or whatever situation your DM imagined up.
What this game has is "Pick a character and here's the dungeon".. rinse repeat. I had no immersion. Hell, I felt more immersion in Lego Star Wars. You just enter a door/sewer/whatever and play the dungeon scenario... then you are done. Sure CoH had a lot of that.. but there was also an expansive world to explore.
This is a console game at best... an abject failure at worst. What a let-down.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Originally posted by Shayde Good luck with that. The whole problem with this game is immersion. This has none. Great for a console game, but not an MMORPG. This is your own problem and not a technical problem with the game. What made D&D fun was your character. How they made their way in an imaginary world, found interesting battles or dungeons, or whatever situation your DM imagined up. What this game has is "Pick a character and here's the dungeon".. rinse repeat. I had no immersion. Hell, I felt more immersion in Lego Star Wars. You just enter a door/sewer/whatever and play the dungeon scenario... then you are done. Sure CoH had a lot of that.. but there was also an expansive world to explore. This is a console game at best... an abject failure at worst. What a let-down.
You had more immersion in Lego Star Wars. Yeah, okay, I'm done with you and your "impartial" views of the game. I only hope you aren't as old as you claim to be(to have been playing D&D when I was in diapers). I would think someone who claims to be an adult would be able to move on easier and not engage in endless internet arguments over games they don't even intend to play.
Originally posted by moongdss The graphics were ok, but nothing to write home about. Yeah WoW looks better in a cartoony way, Linage 2 and RF Online rock the socks of DDO in the graphics department (as does CoH IMO), but DDO fails to stand on it's pedigree. It's Dungeons and Dragons for goodness' sake!! Why can't I love it the way I should?!
You honestly have to be joking. What are your system specs? You really think CoH has better graphics than DDO?
And I won't debate about Lineage 2 and RF Online. I despise the anime look, and those games have 0 appeal to me. Also, wasn't Lineage 2 the game that the only customization was the type of hair your Elf Stripper had?
Why is my opinion a joke? I felt the realism was missing from the DDO graphics. My character looked like she was running, but the environment didn't seem to match her running speed. I could walk through people. My butt and legs seemed disproportionately short as compared to my never ending torso. I thought my character jumped funny. But that's all my opinion.
I never compared the character customization (or lack thereof) of L2/RFO to DDO, only the graphics. My opinions about L2/RFO are on other forums, this was only my opinion about DDO. Would it surprise you to know that I hated L2 because watching grass grow seemed more involving (but man! was that some great rendering on the grass!!) and having a choice between only three faces sucked? Would it surprise you to find out that I dislike RFO for the same reasons? DDO has WAY more substance than those two games, but I was talking about the graphics. In *My* opinion, a game with uber-graphics can be devoid of content and it will suck. Suck prettily, but still suck. But take a game with content, and give it sub-par graphics and it better really rock with it's contents. I just felt that there are better looking games with good content I'm already spending my money on.
As for CoH/CoV, yes, I think they have better graphics than DDO. Again my opinion. Doesn't mean you have to think the same as I do.
So how do my system specs make CoH look better* than DDO (*IMO)? City of Villains beats the crap out of most computer graphics cards, but looks fabulous on mine (and my boyfriend's rig). DDO didn't look much better to me on his rig, and he has a step-up on the processor, and Asus mobo and DDR2.
I can tell the difference between graphics settings, but the reasons I stated above have not much to do with the card rendering, just my personal taste in graphics. Wow wasn't to my taste, but it *felt* more immersive than DDO.
Maybe I approached DDO with a raised expectation, but it just didn't blow me away as my next *must have* game, as much as I *wanted* it to be. I never said it was a *bad* game in any way, I just didn't find it great. <shrug>
Turbine's job is to get me, a player/consumer, to play their game and spend money while I'm doing that. I say, as a player/consumer, Turbine needed to lure me away from CoH/CoV or make me want to play DDO too. At this point, I'm not willing to spend additional money on DDO as it is. Maybe once I've finished everything there is to do in CoH/CoV and was looking for the next thing to play, but it's got some stiff competition in WoW and EQ2 graphically. It needs to stand on it's pedigree and be all the game it could be to get people who are already playing other games to come onboard.
Thanks for reading my opinions!
Diana
*All opinions stated in this post are the poster's alone and do not represent the opinions or 'facts' of any other poster or people affiliated with those posters. All characters are fictitious and any representation to living or dead people (I see dead people!) is purely your imagination.*
A Rod of Silence means never having to say sorry. -- Dork Tower
Originally posted by ataridc You had more immersion in Lego Star Wars. Yeah, okay, I'm done with you and your "impartial" views of the game. I only hope you aren't as old as you claim to be(to have been playing D&D when I was in diapers). I would think someone who claims to be an adult would be able to move on easier and not engage in endless internet arguments over games they don't even intend to play.
Back to "winning" an "argument" by belittling your opponent. That's the surest sign you have a weak position.
Everyone else was having an interesting discussion until you decided to get pissy. If you'd like to leave it alone and stop hitting reply, we could continue. If you'd like to offer something interesting, feel free. Belittling others may make you fell all adult, but it really doesn't make you look like an adult.
But to get back to the discussion... When this ships, do you think the bad press, or the flashy marketing will win the day?
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Originally posted by moongdss The graphics were ok, but nothing to write home about. Yeah WoW looks better in a cartoony way, Linage 2 and RF Online rock the socks of DDO in the graphics department (as does CoH IMO), but DDO fails to stand on it's pedigree. It's Dungeons and Dragons for goodness' sake!! Why can't I love it the way I should?!
You honestly have to be joking. What are your system specs? You really think CoH has better graphics than DDO?
And I won't debate about Lineage 2 and RF Online. I despise the anime look, and those games have 0 appeal to me. Also, wasn't Lineage 2 the game that the only customization was the type of hair your Elf Stripper had?
Why is my opinion a joke? I felt the realism was missing from the DDO graphics. My character looked like she was running, but the environment didn't seem to match her running speed. I could walk through people. My butt and legs seemed disproportionately short as compared to my never ending torso. I thought my character jumped funny. But that's all my opinion.
I never compared the character customization (or lack thereof) of L2/RFO to DDO, only the graphics. My opinions about L2/RFO are on other forums, this was only my opinion about DDO. Would it surprise you to know that I hated L2 because watching grass grow seemed more involving (but man! was that some great rendering on the grass!!) and having a choice between only three faces sucked? Would it surprise you to find out that I dislike RFO for the same reasons? DDO has WAY more substance than those two games, but I was talking about the graphics. In *My* opinion, a game with uber-graphics can be devoid of content and it will suck. Suck prettily, but still suck. But take a game with content, and give it sub-par graphics and it better really rock with it's contents. I just felt that there are better looking games with good content I'm already spending my money on.
As for CoH/CoV, yes, I think they have better graphics than DDO. Again my opinion. Doesn't mean you have to think the same as I do.
So how do my system specs make CoH look better* than DDO (*IMO)? City of Villains beats the crap out of most computer graphics cards, but looks fabulous on mine (and my boyfriend's rig). DDO didn't look much better to me on his rig, and he has a step-up on the processor, and Asus mobo and DDR2.
I can tell the difference between graphics settings, but the reasons I stated above have not much to do with the card rendering, just my personal taste in graphics. Wow wasn't to my taste, but it *felt* more immersive than DDO.
Maybe I approached DDO with a raised expectation, but it just didn't blow me away as my next *must have* game, as much as I *wanted* it to be. I never said it was a *bad* game in any way, I just didn't find it great. <shrug>
Turbine's job is to get me, a player/consumer, to play their game and spend money while I'm doing that. I say, as a player/consumer, Turbine needed to lure me away from CoH/CoV or make me want to play DDO too. At this point, I'm not willing to spend additional money on DDO as it is. Maybe once I've finished everything there is to do in CoH/CoV and was looking for the next thing to play, but it's got some stiff competition in WoW and EQ2 graphically. It needs to stand on it's pedigree and be all the game it could be to get people who are already playing other games to come onboard.
Thanks for reading my opinions!
Diana
*All opinions stated in this post are the poster's alone and do not represent the opinions or 'facts' of any other poster or people affiliated with those posters. All characters are fictitious and any representation to living or dead people (I see dead people!) is purely your imagination.*
Cool, I was giving my opinion in contrast to yours. See, that's how a message board works! But let me rephrase my original post so you can more easily idenitify that opinion: I think CoH looks like crap compared to DDO, and CoV just has some gimmicky graphical effects like bloom lighting but otherwise looks identical. DDO looks 100x better on my computer, AND runs better, AND doesn't look like a game released 6 years.
Sorry if you think people should have to add "IMO" to every post, but I kind of just leave it in other's hands to realize when something is an opinion and when it isn't.
Oh, and I never said anything about L2 or RF's gameplay, so I fail to see how that's relevant at all.
Originally posted by ataridc Cool, I was giving my opinion in contrast to yours. See, that's how a message board works! But let me rephrase my original post so you can more easily idenitify that opinion: I think CoH looks like crap compared to DDO, and CoV just has some gimmicky graphical effects like bloom lighting but otherwise looks identical. DDO looks 100x better on my computer, AND runs better, AND doesn't look like a game released 6 years. Sorry if you think people should have to add "IMO" to every post, but I kind of just leave it in other's hands to realize when something is an opinion and when it isn't. Oh, and I never said anything about L2 or RF's gameplay, so I fail to see how that's relevant at all. IN MY OPINION EL O EL!
Understood. I respect that you don't like the way CoH/CoV looks. It's all a matter of personal preference really, and my preference is CoH <shrug> Like art, videos games are subjective.
You don't have to justify or label your opinion, it's yours, and I'm glad that you choose to share it with me. I only ask that you don't down mine because it doesn't agree with yours. If I like something you don't, that doesn't make my opinion a joke or me less of a person.
But enough of that, back to the game conversation!!
I'm curious as to your sytem stats and that maybe I wasn't getting the full graphic effect of DDO. What's your video card? Do you play on full-tilt settings? How did anything change during high load/dead times?
What parts of the game really appeal to you? What do you think DDO does better than other MMOs you've played? I ask because I do value differing perspectives, and you could very well point out something that I overlooked in my short stint during stress.
A Rod of Silence means never having to say sorry. -- Dork Tower
But to get back to the discussion... When this ships, do you think the bad press, or the flashy marketing will win the day?
Mmm, I'm mixed on this. We are a group of D&D fans as well as MMOGers, and we come with expectations of the product line that is living up to some and failing in others. I'm hearing both camps on this one, some who love it, some who hate it. I think that a game that polarizes a group like this game seems to could have real potential. I think it's like movies, all the critics in the world can say something stinks, but the in-built fan-base will swear they're wrong. and sometimes they are, lol...
I'm not totally writing off DDO, but it's a *wait-see* on my list.
I'm curious what'll happen with Turbine's upcoming LOTR MMOG. You think D&D fans are hardcore and/or brutal!! Whoa a whole other form of geekdom in the LOTR community! And I'm told we bite
A Rod of Silence means never having to say sorry. -- Dork Tower
Originally posted by ataridc Cool, I was giving my opinion in contrast to yours. See, that's how a message board works! But let me rephrase my original post so you can more easily idenitify that opinion: I think CoH looks like crap compared to DDO, and CoV just has some gimmicky graphical effects like bloom lighting but otherwise looks identical. DDO looks 100x better on my computer, AND runs better, AND doesn't look like a game released 6 years. Sorry if you think people should have to add "IMO" to every post, but I kind of just leave it in other's hands to realize when something is an opinion and when it isn't. Oh, and I never said anything about L2 or RF's gameplay, so I fail to see how that's relevant at all. IN MY OPINION EL O EL!
Understood. I respect that you don't like the way CoH/CoV looks. It's all a matter of personal preference really, and my preference is CoH <shrug> Like art, videos games are subjective.
You don't have to justify or label your opinion, it's yours, and I'm glad that you choose to share it with me. I only ask that you don't down mine because it doesn't agree with yours. If I like something you don't, that doesn't make my opinion a joke or me less of a person.
But enough of that, back to the game conversation!!
I'm curious as to your sytem stats and that maybe I wasn't getting the full graphic effect of DDO. What's your video card? Do you play on full-tilt settings? How did anything change during high load/dead times?
What parts of the game really appeal to you? What do you think DDO does better than other MMOs you've played? I ask because I do value differing perspectives, and you could very well point out something that I overlooked in my short stint during stress.
Well, I didn't say I don't like how CoH/CoV looks, I think it fits the style of the game perfectly, just that it shows its age. I love the character custimization, but the randomized dungeons range from painfully simplistic to looking like something that leaked out of an Escher painting. Granted there is a wide open space to explore, but it's kind of bland and there isn't much to look at. Not to mention you mostly zip past it all once you get your travel power, anyway.
If you want to see what I like about the game just read my response near the top of the page(the part in yellow) to the OP. Like I said, I love all the ways DDO doesn't follow in other MMO's foot steps. I've been playing this genre since the original big 3(UO, EQ, and AC) were new, and after awhile I've started to feel like I'm going through all the motions over and over again. It's fun when you first feel like you're in a big, wide open world, but once you learn the games restrictions you realize it's just a game. Those monsters you're grinding are just changing colors and getting slightly different names for 50 levels. Those flight paths in WoW that I started out getting googly eyed over just become time to fix a pb&j sandwhich(seriously, some of them were 15 minutes long).
I mean, most of the stuff OP bitches about are FEATURES of the game that were never hidden from the public and announced long, long ago. It's going to boil down to each person's own preference, I can't convince you to play, and obviously a game that deviates so far from the MMO formula is going to catch flak on a site dedicated to MMO's.
I firmly believe people should just play what is fun to them. A simple concept that seems lost on the MMO community. I mean, you find me a board where half the posts aren't bitching about X game dying, or how they're going to quit because of X reason, or how X should be nerfed, and I'll maybe start believing that most of the people who play these games aren't completely masochistic, or looking for the next thing to occupy their minds for as long as possible at the expense of decent gameplay.
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It's ok to have your opinion but you should try to develope the presence of mind to recognize your own bias and prejudice.
In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.
This is how CoH/CoV plays... you have open city zones with aggro mobs and instanced door missions to solo or group tackle as you heart desires. I do almost exclusively instanced missions, my boyfriend chooses to grind. Tomayto omahto... I think that balance is what we look for in a game.
My boyfriend and I beta'd DDO and found the lack of roaming mobs kinda flattened the experience. That and the fact that you can run through other PCs... what's up with that? I can get stuck on a barrel I can't quite jump over, but I can run straight through my partner? Weee-eeeird!
The graphics were ok, but nothing to write home about. Yeah WoW looks better in a cartoony way, Linage 2 and RF Online rock the socks of DDO in the graphics department (as does CoH IMO), but DDO fails to stand on it's pedigree. It's Dungeons and Dragons for goodness' sake!! Why can't I love it the way I should?!
<hugging dicebag for comfort>
I love the character-building (not the graphic part, but the customization of skills and proficiencies.) I love making new characters in AD&D almost as much as RPing them. I liked that I can change the keybinds. I hate using the mouse and WASD doesn't work for me. I like using the number pad. I liked the GM voice-overs. I HATED the spiders becaused they looked TOO good. <shiver> I've been killing bunnies for too long, I forgot about all the rats and spiders in low level D&D adventures.
All in all, I'll wait for awhile to see where this game goes. I can't plunk down fundage on it until I'm thoroughly bored with CoH, and I can't justify spending $15 on more than one game at a time.
A Rod of Silence means never having to say sorry. -- Dork Tower
The graphics were ok, but nothing to write home about. Yeah WoW looks better in a cartoony way, Linage 2 and RF Online rock the socks of DDO in the graphics department (as does CoH IMO), but DDO fails to stand on it's pedigree. It's Dungeons and Dragons for goodness' sake!! Why can't I love it the way I should?!
You honestly have to be joking. What are your system specs? You really think CoH has better graphics than DDO?
And I won't debate about Lineage 2 and RF Online. I despise the anime look, and those games have 0 appeal to me. Also, wasn't Lineage 2 the game that the only customization was the type of hair your Elf Stripper had?
Also, to the OP, you can't honestly claim to be impartial and then rant and rave like you did. Impartial means you only look at the facts, like a jury would.
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You confuse opinion with bias. And you still didn't read the definition of Impartial. Impartial people are Juries. They listen to the evidence and MAKE THEIR CONCLUSIONS BASED ON IT.
I went in complately impartial. I made my conclustions based on gameplay.
Thus Impartial.
Look it up.. if you didn't believe Dictionary.com.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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You confuse opinion with bias. And you still didn't read the definition of Impartial. Impartial people are Juries. They listen to the evidence and MAKE THEIR CONCLUSIONS BASED ON IT.
I went in complately impartial. I made my conclustions based on gameplay.
Thus Impartial.
Look it up.. if you didn't believe Dictionary.com.
Impartial juries are not supposed to be affected by opinion at all. Everything in your review is entirely opinion. The mere fact that you don't like the game means you aren't impartial. This is not an impartial view of the game. The end.
edit: And as long as we are using Dictionary.com to prove points, lets pop over to the thesaurus on the site:
I don't think any of those words describe the first post in this thread. The so called "impartial view of the game".
HELLO WORLD
Impartial jures FORM their opinion from the facts on hand, not personal bias or outside influence.
You quoted synonyms, which isn't the same as a definition. They are SIMILAR terms.
But to add.. From Mirriim-Webster's dictionary of law.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. - Indigo Montoya
You seem to be confusing Impartial with Impersonal
Evaluating the game and determing the game sucks is not bias. It is a conclusion.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Ok, I cropped your post a bit. But this was just funny. I understand you don't like the game and I guess it's just not for you. But that was truly funny. A+ humor.
so...
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. - Indigo Montoya
You seem to be confusing Impartial with Impersonal
Evaluating the game and determing the game sucks is not bias. It is a conclusion.
You said in your first post you had expectations for the game, you could have never been impartial to the game if you had expectations. A judge doesn't go into a court case expecting someone to be innocent or guilty. You keep quoting definitions that go against what you're trying to claim impartial is. Your first post wasn't cold neutrality, it was emotional ranting like any other review I've read on this forum.
I'm sorry that you're wrong, and we can debate this until the end of eternity if you'd like, but you'll never be any closer to be correct.
And impersonal is not what I meant. A guy who never played D&D or had absolutely no expectations going into the game is about the only person who could claim to be impartial.
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Impartial - I set aside any biases and went in cold.
But I'm done arguing with a crazy person. They just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
But I find it funny how you can only argue with the fact that you disagee with one word in the title.. not that the game blows.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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You weren't impartial. I only argue facts, I couldn't careless about your opinion of the game, as there is no way I can factually prove the game is good. I like it, you can't prove I don't.
Farewell, dear idiot.
HELLO WORLD
I personally don't think the OP was being biased...
He went in with certain expectations, which certainly isn't bias...
And he was disappointed...that's how I read it anyway.
HE gets it.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
It always makes me laugh... When someone here cannot seem to convince someone else that they are right and the other is wrong, they resort to attacking the other poster...
In other words, it doesn't really make much difference if the OP is impartial or not... Was he right or wrong in his points?
Impartial juries are not supposed to be affected by opinion at all. Everything in your review is entirely opinion. The mere fact that you don't like the game means you aren't impartial. This is not an impartial view of the game. The end.
Show me an impartial jury, and I will show you a utopia. There is no such thing as an impartial jury. Just as there is no such thing as an impartial judge. They are all human and subject to human influences.
Therefore the OP is as impartial as he could be...
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. - Indigo Montoya
You seem to be confusing Impartial with Impersonal
Evaluating the game and determing the game sucks is not bias. It is a conclusion.
As I stated before there are no impartial juries... If you think that a jury only takes into consideration the facts, you live in a small world of your own making. Have you ever served on a jury? I have, and the other jurors had opinions going in. Again they are all human, and are subject to influences just as you and I are.
Everyone has expectations going into a game... wether it be from reading things off of a web page or reading something off a box. Why would someone take the time to download a beta version of a game otherwise?
The OP was as impartial as he could be. The things you should be talking about here is wether he was right or wrong in what he posted, not wether he was impartial or not.
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Good luck with that.
The whole problem with this game is immersion. This has none. Great for a console game, but not an MMORPG.
What made D&D fun was your character. How they made their way in an imaginary world, found interesting battles or dungeons, or whatever situation your DM imagined up.
What this game has is "Pick a character and here's the dungeon".. rinse repeat. I had no immersion. Hell, I felt more immersion in Lego Star Wars. You just enter a door/sewer/whatever and play the dungeon scenario... then you are done. Sure CoH had a lot of that.. but there was also an expansive world to explore.
This is a console game at best... an abject failure at worst. What a let-down.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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You had more immersion in Lego Star Wars. Yeah, okay, I'm done with you and your "impartial" views of the game. I only hope you aren't as old as you claim to be(to have been playing D&D when I was in diapers). I would think someone who claims to be an adult would be able to move on easier and not engage in endless internet arguments over games they don't even intend to play.
HELLO WORLD
You honestly have to be joking. What are your system specs? You really think CoH has better graphics than DDO?
And I won't debate about Lineage 2 and RF Online. I despise the anime look, and those games have 0 appeal to me. Also, wasn't Lineage 2 the game that the only customization was the type of hair your Elf Stripper had?
Why is my opinion a joke?
I never compared the character customization (or lack thereof) of L2/RFO to DDO, only the graphics. My opinions about L2/RFO are on other forums, this was only my opinion about DDO. Would it surprise you to know that I hated L2 because watching grass grow seemed more involving (but man! was that some great rendering on the grass!!) and having a choice between only three faces sucked? Would it surprise you to find out that I dislike RFO for the same reasons? DDO has WAY more substance than those two games, but I was talking about the graphics. In *My* opinion, a game with uber-graphics can be devoid of content and it will suck. Suck prettily, but still suck. But take a game with content, and give it sub-par graphics and it better really rock with it's contents. I just felt that there are better looking games with good content I'm already spending my money on.
As for CoH/CoV, yes, I think they have better graphics than DDO. Again my opinion. Doesn't mean you have to think the same as I do.
My computer specs are: P4 540HTT 3.2GHz, Intel Augsburg D915GAG, 1.5GB DDR400, Seagate 200GB 72000rpm SATA, Gigabyte 6600GT PCIe, Linksys 80211.g wireless/DSL... did I get everything? I also have a wirelss keyboard/mouse... but I don't think that affects my opinion
So how do my system specs make CoH look better* than DDO (*IMO)? City of Villains beats the crap out of most computer graphics cards, but looks fabulous on mine (and my boyfriend's rig). DDO didn't look much better to me on his rig, and he has a step-up on the processor, and Asus mobo and DDR2.
I can tell the difference between graphics settings, but the reasons I stated above have not much to do with the card rendering, just my personal taste in graphics. Wow wasn't to my taste, but it *felt* more immersive than DDO.
Maybe I approached DDO with a raised expectation, but it just didn't blow me away as my next *must have* game, as much as I *wanted* it to be. I never said it was a *bad* game in any way, I just didn't find it great. <shrug>
Turbine's job is to get me, a player/consumer, to play their game and spend money while I'm doing that. I say, as a player/consumer, Turbine needed to lure me away from CoH/CoV or make me want to play DDO too. At this point, I'm not willing to spend additional money on DDO as it is. Maybe once I've finished everything there is to do in CoH/CoV and was looking for the next thing to play, but it's got some stiff competition in WoW and EQ2 graphically. It needs to stand on it's pedigree and be all the game it could be to get people who are already playing other games to come onboard.
Thanks for reading my opinions!
Diana
*All opinions stated in this post are the poster's alone and do not represent the opinions or 'facts' of any other poster or people affiliated with those posters. All characters are fictitious and any representation to living or dead people (I see dead people!) is purely your imagination.*
A Rod of Silence means never having to say sorry. -- Dork Tower
Back to "winning" an "argument" by belittling your opponent. That's the surest sign you have a weak position.
Everyone else was having an interesting discussion until you decided to get pissy. If you'd like to leave it alone and stop hitting reply, we could continue. If you'd like to offer something interesting, feel free. Belittling others may make you fell all adult, but it really doesn't make you look like an adult.
But to get back to the discussion... When this ships, do you think the bad press, or the flashy marketing will win the day?
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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You honestly have to be joking. What are your system specs? You really think CoH has better graphics than DDO?
And I won't debate about Lineage 2 and RF Online. I despise the anime look, and those games have 0 appeal to me. Also, wasn't Lineage 2 the game that the only customization was the type of hair your Elf Stripper had?
Why is my opinion a joke?
I never compared the character customization (or lack thereof) of L2/RFO to DDO, only the graphics. My opinions about L2/RFO are on other forums, this was only my opinion about DDO. Would it surprise you to know that I hated L2 because watching grass grow seemed more involving (but man! was that some great rendering on the grass!!) and having a choice between only three faces sucked? Would it surprise you to find out that I dislike RFO for the same reasons? DDO has WAY more substance than those two games, but I was talking about the graphics. In *My* opinion, a game with uber-graphics can be devoid of content and it will suck. Suck prettily, but still suck. But take a game with content, and give it sub-par graphics and it better really rock with it's contents. I just felt that there are better looking games with good content I'm already spending my money on.
As for CoH/CoV, yes, I think they have better graphics than DDO. Again my opinion. Doesn't mean you have to think the same as I do.
My computer specs are: P4 540HTT 3.2GHz, Intel Augsburg D915GAG, 1.5GB DDR400, Seagate 200GB 72000rpm SATA, Gigabyte 6600GT PCIe, Linksys 80211.g wireless/DSL... did I get everything? I also have a wirelss keyboard/mouse... but I don't think that affects my opinion
<I haven't updated the reports since I switched to the Nvidia card FYI.>
So how do my system specs make CoH look better* than DDO (*IMO)? City of Villains beats the crap out of most computer graphics cards, but looks fabulous on mine (and my boyfriend's rig). DDO didn't look much better to me on his rig, and he has a step-up on the processor, and Asus mobo and DDR2.
I can tell the difference between graphics settings, but the reasons I stated above have not much to do with the card rendering, just my personal taste in graphics. Wow wasn't to my taste, but it *felt* more immersive than DDO.
Maybe I approached DDO with a raised expectation, but it just didn't blow me away as my next *must have* game, as much as I *wanted* it to be. I never said it was a *bad* game in any way, I just didn't find it great. <shrug>
Turbine's job is to get me, a player/consumer, to play their game and spend money while I'm doing that. I say, as a player/consumer, Turbine needed to lure me away from CoH/CoV or make me want to play DDO too. At this point, I'm not willing to spend additional money on DDO as it is. Maybe once I've finished everything there is to do in CoH/CoV and was looking for the next thing to play, but it's got some stiff competition in WoW and EQ2 graphically. It needs to stand on it's pedigree and be all the game it could be to get people who are already playing other games to come onboard.
Thanks for reading my opinions!
Diana
*All opinions stated in this post are the poster's alone and do not represent the opinions or 'facts' of any other poster or people affiliated with those posters. All characters are fictitious and any representation to living or dead people (I see dead people!) is purely your imagination.*
Cool, I was giving my opinion in contrast to yours. See, that's how a message board works! But let me rephrase my original post so you can more easily idenitify that opinion: I think CoH looks like crap compared to DDO, and CoV just has some gimmicky graphical effects like bloom lighting but otherwise looks identical. DDO looks 100x better on my computer, AND runs better, AND doesn't look like a game released 6 years.
Sorry if you think people should have to add "IMO" to every post, but I kind of just leave it in other's hands to realize when something is an opinion and when it isn't.
Oh, and I never said anything about L2 or RF's gameplay, so I fail to see how that's relevant at all.
IN MY OPINION EL O EL!
HELLO WORLD
Understood. I respect that you don't like the way CoH/CoV looks. It's all a matter of personal preference really, and my preference is CoH <shrug> Like art, videos games are subjective.
You don't have to justify or label your opinion, it's yours, and I'm glad that you choose to share it with me. I only ask that you don't down mine because it doesn't agree with yours. If I like something you don't, that doesn't make my opinion a joke or me less of a person.
But enough of that, back to the game conversation!!
I'm curious as to your sytem stats and that maybe I wasn't getting the full graphic effect of DDO. What's your video card? Do you play on full-tilt settings? How did anything change during high load/dead times?
What parts of the game really appeal to you? What do you think DDO does better than other MMOs you've played? I ask because I do value differing perspectives, and you could very well point out something that I overlooked in my short stint during stress.
A Rod of Silence means never having to say sorry. -- Dork Tower
Mmm, I'm mixed on this. We are a group of D&D fans as well as MMOGers, and we come with expectations of the product line that is living up to some and failing in others. I'm hearing both camps on this one, some who love it, some who hate it. I think that a game that polarizes a group like this game seems to could have real potential. I think it's like movies, all the critics in the world can say something stinks, but the in-built fan-base will swear they're wrong. and sometimes they are, lol...
I'm not totally writing off DDO, but it's a *wait-see* on my list.
I'm curious what'll happen with Turbine's upcoming LOTR MMOG. You think D&D fans are hardcore and/or brutal!! Whoa a whole other form of geekdom in the LOTR community! And I'm told we bite
A Rod of Silence means never having to say sorry. -- Dork Tower
Understood. I respect that you don't like the way CoH/CoV looks. It's all a matter of personal preference really, and my preference is CoH <shrug> Like art, videos games are subjective.
You don't have to justify or label your opinion, it's yours, and I'm glad that you choose to share it with me. I only ask that you don't down mine because it doesn't agree with yours. If I like something you don't, that doesn't make my opinion a joke or me less of a person.
But enough of that, back to the game conversation!!
I'm curious as to your sytem stats and that maybe I wasn't getting the full graphic effect of DDO. What's your video card? Do you play on full-tilt settings? How did anything change during high load/dead times?
What parts of the game really appeal to you? What do you think DDO does better than other MMOs you've played? I ask because I do value differing perspectives, and you could very well point out something that I overlooked in my short stint during stress.
Well, I didn't say I don't like how CoH/CoV looks, I think it fits the style of the game perfectly, just that it shows its age. I love the character custimization, but the randomized dungeons range from painfully simplistic to looking like something that leaked out of an Escher painting. Granted there is a wide open space to explore, but it's kind of bland and there isn't much to look at. Not to mention you mostly zip past it all once you get your travel power, anyway.
If you want to see what I like about the game just read my response near the top of the page(the part in yellow) to the OP. Like I said, I love all the ways DDO doesn't follow in other MMO's foot steps. I've been playing this genre since the original big 3(UO, EQ, and AC) were new, and after awhile I've started to feel like I'm going through all the motions over and over again. It's fun when you first feel like you're in a big, wide open world, but once you learn the games restrictions you realize it's just a game. Those monsters you're grinding are just changing colors and getting slightly different names for 50 levels. Those flight paths in WoW that I started out getting googly eyed over just become time to fix a pb&j sandwhich(seriously, some of them were 15 minutes long).
I mean, most of the stuff OP bitches about are FEATURES of the game that were never hidden from the public and announced long, long ago. It's going to boil down to each person's own preference, I can't convince you to play, and obviously a game that deviates so far from the MMO formula is going to catch flak on a site dedicated to MMO's.
I firmly believe people should just play what is fun to them. A simple concept that seems lost on the MMO community. I mean, you find me a board where half the posts aren't bitching about X game dying, or how they're going to quit because of X reason, or how X should be nerfed, and I'll maybe start believing that most of the people who play these games aren't completely masochistic, or looking for the next thing to occupy their minds for as long as possible at the expense of decent gameplay.
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