Heroes Charge on Android. Developer describes it as a MOBA / RPG hybrid.
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Originally posted by ceratop001 Honestly most western gamers are not playing much. The genre is dying and the what's next hype train is getting old. This is my opinion of course. Just about every new game I try; i get this overwhelming urge to uninstall it. Nothing holds my attention anymore, and if it does I get to end game and realize its pay to win or just too boring to continue. Sorry for the negativity...
This 100%
The new games are just so over hyped. And now they are being made for consoles first with PC players used as beta tester.
Nothing, hate the worlds, hate the stories. Do I think FFXIV is a good game? Yes. Does it have the lasting power for someone like me who gets bored easily? No. I am TIRED of gear grind mmorpgs. I would still be in ArcheAge if Trion was able to handle things better. ArcheAge's world excited me because there was sooo much to do. I enjoyed just being a crafter in that game. But then the bots and hackers became out of control. Not to mention I much prefer the original/Alpha build of the game where intracontinental trading was the ish. Once it was changed I have no desire to do it anymore. I am playing Pillars of Eternity but I won't lie I'm an mmorpg guy by nature and an avid mmo roleplayer. Right now there is nothing I want to play.
Here's hoping a western developer with actual quality control and anti hacker tools makes an ArcheAge clone.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
Originally posted by ceratop001 Honestly most western gamers are not playing much. The genre is dying and the what's next hype train is getting old. This is my opinion of course. Just about every new game I try; i get this overwhelming urge to uninstall it. Nothing holds my attention anymore, and if it does I get to end game and realize its pay to win or just too boring to continue. Sorry for the negativity...
This 100%
The new games are just so over hyped. And now they are being made for consoles first with PC players used as beta tester.
That's a big issue, in my opinion. Games are being designed to be lesser quality for the sake of extra money, which then hurts the games in turn.
Consoles, FTP, cash shops, grinds, and a slew of design decisions centered around those that make it a lesser MMO experience. At least that's my opinion.
Originally posted by ceratop001 Honestly most western gamers are not playing much. The genre is dying and the what's next hype train is getting old. This is my opinion of course. Just about every new game I try; i get this overwhelming urge to uninstall it. Nothing holds my attention anymore, and if it does I get to end game and realize its pay to win or just too boring to continue. Sorry for the negativity...
errr. sorry to burst your bubble, but the genre is quite alive.
you don't like it, fine. that has nothing to do with the genre.
for me, i play WoW atm and elder scrolls online, both games are running quite good, of cors WoW better than ESO tho
ps: not sure how waiting 24 hours for ONE mob to spawn and then MAYBE to tagg him and get his loot to level it at thousands of mobs of a kind has been no grind in daoc. you guys just cry like kids nowadays in oposite to "old times", we were happy we could play
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
Currently? None, reason: every mmorpg released in the last 6+ years has bascally been the same exact game with just a diffrent skin over it. I'm bored of the quest hub to quest hub 99% soloplayer game mmorpgs have become. I miss back when you needed people to level up, back when you needed people to help with quests, ya know when the MMO aspect actually was a part of the game? Now a days most mmo's are reduced to a single player game with just a chat room to make it simulate the mmo aspect. Even at endgame, other than your raid once a week everything else you do is mostly solo.
The game Sword Art Online: hollow fragment, is more of a mmorpg than anything devs have released in years, and its a single player game! That says something about how far the genre has fallen.
I honestly don't see anything on the horizon either that is going to differ from this current sesspool of a genre. Sure there are mmo's out that promise stuff, but in the end they will just end up being the same game again in a new skin. There is a reason most sub mmo's fail, and its because its just the same stuff being repackaged. Most recent example is wildstar, dispite its combat mechanics its bascally world of warcraft with just a diff combat system, and once the newness of the combat system wears off, your left with the exact same game as wow all over again. By the time I hit level 20 or 25 or so in wildstar, I was starting to get bored, due to what I said: the game is just wow all over again. Its probally why it bascally flopped.
Most of the mmorpg gamers that would be dedicated are sort of sick of the usual wow clones these devs make, its why these sub based mmo's keep failing. I actually have a really damn good idea for a mmorpg, but I lack the skills to program and all that stuff. Though I bet ti would be epic if I could pull it off.
Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:
A. Proven right (if something bad happens)
or
B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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I was playing WOW for a bit when WoD hit, but I couldn't keep going with it. Same old story.
The first MMORPG to hit the market that has a comprehensive housing, crafting, clothing (Pretty much everything outside of raiding and questing) system will most likely get me as a player. Archeage was close, but we all know the story with that game. FF14 had some promise, but they did not deliver in terms of things being cohesive.
Originally posted by ceratop001 Honestly most western gamers are not playing much. The genre is dying and the what's next hype train is getting old. This is my opinion of course. Just about every new game I try; i get this overwhelming urge to uninstall it. Nothing holds my attention anymore, and if it does I get to end game and realize its pay to win or just too boring to continue. Sorry for the negativity...
errr. sorry to burst your bubble, but the genre is quite alive.
you don't like it, fine. that has nothing to do with the genre.
for me, i play WoW atm and elder scrolls online, both games are running quite good, of cors WoW better than ESO tho
ps: not sure how waiting 24 hours for ONE mob to spawn and then MAYBE to tagg him and get his loot to level it at thousands of mobs of a kind has been no grind in daoc. you guys just cry like kids nowadays in oposite to "old times", we were happy we could play
Afraid your the one who is wrong, and the vast majority would agree. But we ARE glad you enjoy the current games available. Wish I could too.
To find an intelligent person in a PUG is not that rare, but to find a PUG made up of "all" intelligent people is one of the rarest phenomenons in the known universe.
Originally posted by ceratop001 Honestly most western gamers are not playing much. The genre is dying and the what's next hype train is getting old. This is my opinion of course. Just about every new game I try; i get this overwhelming urge to uninstall it. Nothing holds my attention anymore, and if it does I get to end game and realize its pay to win or just too boring to continue. Sorry for the negativity...
errr. sorry to burst your bubble, but the genre is quite alive.
you don't like it, fine. that has nothing to do with the genre.
for me, i play WoW atm and elder scrolls online, both games are running quite good, of cors WoW better than ESO tho
ps: not sure how waiting 24 hours for ONE mob to spawn and then MAYBE to tagg him and get his loot to level it at thousands of mobs of a kind has been no grind in daoc. you guys just cry like kids nowadays in oposite to "old times", we were happy we could play
Afraid your the one who is wrong, and the vast majority would agree. But we ARE glad you enjoy the current games available. Wish I could too.
Who is this "vast majority"? I usually don't mind when people align themselves with a fictitious group that is, of course, the biggest (and therefore right), but telling Thane they're wrong means there must be proof beyond the subjective. Total MMO player population numbers, including those that don't play but want to, would a good start. Then comes the task of delivering a survey to all of them... I fare thee well on your quest.
Originally posted by ceratop001 Honestly most western gamers are not playing much. The genre is dying and the what's next hype train is getting old. This is my opinion of course. Just about every new game I try; i get this overwhelming urge to uninstall it. Nothing holds my attention anymore, and if it does I get to end game and realize its pay to win or just too boring to continue. Sorry for the negativity...
errr. sorry to burst your bubble, but the genre is quite alive.
you don't like it, fine. that has nothing to do with the genre.
for me, i play WoW atm and elder scrolls online, both games are running quite good, of cors WoW better than ESO tho
ps: not sure how waiting 24 hours for ONE mob to spawn and then MAYBE to tagg him and get his loot to level it at thousands of mobs of a kind has been no grind in daoc. you guys just cry like kids nowadays in oposite to "old times", we were happy we could play
Afraid your the one who is wrong, and the vast majority would agree. But we ARE glad you enjoy the current games available. Wish I could too.
Who is this "vast majority"? I usually don't mind when people align themselves with a fictitious group that is, of course, the biggest (and therefore right), but telling Thane they're wrong means there must be proof beyond the subjective. Total MMO player population numbers, including those that don't play but want to, would a good start. Then comes the task of delivering a survey to all of them... I fare thee well on your quest.
with that way of thinking we would still be in the dark ages.
did you know most modern electronics rely on the an imaginary number a part of their governing equations?
So any of us can take our opinion, say that an imaginary group (that is bigger than their arguments group) agrees with us, and use that assertion alone to tell someone else they are wrong?
I really hope that *insert game name here* will be the first game to ever live up to all of its pre-release promises, maintain a manageable hype level and have a clean release. Just don't expect me to hold my breath.
Originally posted by ceratop001 Honestly most western gamers are not playing much. The genre is dying and the what's next hype train is getting old. This is my opinion of course. Just about every new game I try; i get this overwhelming urge to uninstall it. Nothing holds my attention anymore, and if it does I get to end game and realize its pay to win or just too boring to continue. Sorry for the negativity...
errr. sorry to burst your bubble, but the genre is quite alive.
you don't like it, fine. that has nothing to do with the genre.
for me, i play WoW atm and elder scrolls online, both games are running quite good, of cors WoW better than ESO tho
ps: not sure how waiting 24 hours for ONE mob to spawn and then MAYBE to tagg him and get his loot to level it at thousands of mobs of a kind has been no grind in daoc. you guys just cry like kids nowadays in oposite to "old times", we were happy we could play
Afraid your the one who is wrong, and the vast majority would agree. But we ARE glad you enjoy the current games available. Wish I could too.
Vast majority of who? the inhabitants of this forum that has absolutely no idea what they want in a MMORPG and are stuck in the past and can't seem to get over that they will never have the same experience as they did in EQ1 and a game doesn't suck because its not a open PVP sandbox.
that majority? yeah sorry thats not the true majority. but you have fun waiting for the next "savior" of the MMO Genre ... what is it now? Camelot Unchained? Black Desert? some random Brad Mcquaid game?
The first MMORPG to hit the market that has a comprehensive housing, crafting, clothing (Pretty much everything outside of raiding and questing) system will most likely get me as a player. Archeage was close, but we all know the story with that game. FF14 had some promise, but they did not deliver in terms of things being cohesive.
EQ2 has very well implemented housing, crafting & clothing systems.
Log in and visit some of the published houses. It cost nothing but a few minutes of your time.
Originally posted by ceratop001 Honestly most western gamers are not playing much. The genre is dying and the what's next hype train is getting old. This is my opinion of course. Just about every new game I try; i get this overwhelming urge to uninstall it. Nothing holds my attention anymore, and if it does I get to end game and realize its pay to win or just too boring to continue. Sorry for the negativity...
It really shows a sad state of gaming when i login to Twitch.tv and can't get the urge to watch a single game.Most of the games are rock bottom cheaply made and the few that are not are just boring as heck.
The only entertainment value these games offer is if a streamer is really good otherwise the games themselves can't hold a grain of salt for fun value.You can just look at the highest subbed game ,WOW,hardly anyone cares to watch the game,having your fingers on a keyboard doesn't add that much FUN value to a game.
i can tell you that aside from maybe 4 games,LOL Dota and HS and the sad sack CS gamer's are just jumping on the bandwagon of every new game that comes out.It can even be the very next week,a new game,people jump off the ship they boarded last week onto the new ship.
SO the most popular games are all super cheaply made,costing the developer almost nothing in resources nor to maintain.3 of the games feature only a couple players on screen and CS features VERY small maps that are big time over played and now boring to play or watch.NONE of these are MMO's.
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I've been enjoying Skyforge lately, as well as Black desert.
Unfortually Skyforge is still in beta and there will be wipe, so not gonna waste to much time on that for now.
Apart from that there really isn't a whole lot to play. i hope gta v and witcher 3 will be something to keep me buzy.
Heroes Charge on Android. Developer describes it as a MOBA / RPG hybrid.
This 100%
The new games are just so over hyped. And now they are being made for consoles first with PC players used as beta tester.
Nothing, hate the worlds, hate the stories. Do I think FFXIV is a good game? Yes. Does it have the lasting power for someone like me who gets bored easily? No. I am TIRED of gear grind mmorpgs. I would still be in ArcheAge if Trion was able to handle things better. ArcheAge's world excited me because there was sooo much to do. I enjoyed just being a crafter in that game. But then the bots and hackers became out of control. Not to mention I much prefer the original/Alpha build of the game where intracontinental trading was the ish. Once it was changed I have no desire to do it anymore. I am playing Pillars of Eternity but I won't lie I'm an mmorpg guy by nature and an avid mmo roleplayer. Right now there is nothing I want to play.
Here's hoping a western developer with actual quality control and anti hacker tools makes an ArcheAge clone.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
That's a big issue, in my opinion. Games are being designed to be lesser quality for the sake of extra money, which then hurts the games in turn.
Consoles, FTP, cash shops, grinds, and a slew of design decisions centered around those that make it a lesser MMO experience. At least that's my opinion.
Once upon a time....
errr. sorry to burst your bubble, but the genre is quite alive.
you don't like it, fine. that has nothing to do with the genre.
for me, i play WoW atm and elder scrolls online, both games are running quite good, of cors WoW better than ESO tho
ps: not sure how waiting 24 hours for ONE mob to spawn and then MAYBE to tagg him and get his loot to level it at thousands of mobs of a kind has been no grind in daoc. you guys just cry like kids nowadays in oposite to "old times", we were happy we could play
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
Currently? None, reason: every mmorpg released in the last 6+ years has bascally been the same exact game with just a diffrent skin over it. I'm bored of the quest hub to quest hub 99% soloplayer game mmorpgs have become. I miss back when you needed people to level up, back when you needed people to help with quests, ya know when the MMO aspect actually was a part of the game? Now a days most mmo's are reduced to a single player game with just a chat room to make it simulate the mmo aspect. Even at endgame, other than your raid once a week everything else you do is mostly solo.
The game Sword Art Online: hollow fragment, is more of a mmorpg than anything devs have released in years, and its a single player game! That says something about how far the genre has fallen.
I honestly don't see anything on the horizon either that is going to differ from this current sesspool of a genre. Sure there are mmo's out that promise stuff, but in the end they will just end up being the same game again in a new skin. There is a reason most sub mmo's fail, and its because its just the same stuff being repackaged. Most recent example is wildstar, dispite its combat mechanics its bascally world of warcraft with just a diff combat system, and once the newness of the combat system wears off, your left with the exact same game as wow all over again. By the time I hit level 20 or 25 or so in wildstar, I was starting to get bored, due to what I said: the game is just wow all over again. Its probally why it bascally flopped.
Most of the mmorpg gamers that would be dedicated are sort of sick of the usual wow clones these devs make, its why these sub based mmo's keep failing. I actually have a really damn good idea for a mmorpg, but I lack the skills to program and all that stuff. Though I bet ti would be epic if I could pull it off.
Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:
A. Proven right (if something bad happens)
or
B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)
Either way, you can't lose! Try it out sometime!
OP,
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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I spend 20-30 hours a week playing EQ2.
I also spend some time playing non-MMO games. Currently: Beyond Earth and Blood Bowl.
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None.
I was playing WOW for a bit when WoD hit, but I couldn't keep going with it. Same old story.
The first MMORPG to hit the market that has a comprehensive housing, crafting, clothing (Pretty much everything outside of raiding and questing) system will most likely get me as a player. Archeage was close, but we all know the story with that game. FF14 had some promise, but they did not deliver in terms of things being cohesive.
Afraid your the one who is wrong, and the vast majority would agree. But we ARE glad you enjoy the current games available. Wish I could too.
To find an intelligent person in a PUG is not that rare, but to find a PUG made up of "all" intelligent people is one of the rarest phenomenons in the known universe.
Who is this "vast majority"? I usually don't mind when people align themselves with a fictitious group that is, of course, the biggest (and therefore right), but telling Thane they're wrong means there must be proof beyond the subjective. Total MMO player population numbers, including those that don't play but want to, would a good start. Then comes the task of delivering a survey to all of them... I fare thee well on your quest.
So any of us can take our opinion, say that an imaginary group (that is bigger than their arguments group) agrees with us, and use that assertion alone to tell someone else they are wrong?
Sounds legit.
Right?
I really hope that *insert game name here* will be the first game to ever live up to all of its pre-release promises, maintain a manageable hype level and have a clean release. Just don't expect me to hold my breath.
1) ArcheAge
2) Everquest
3) Final Fantasy XI
4) Burning Crusade
Its very bad. The genre is dying here.
If you are serious MMO player you only have WOW or EVE ( just imagine we are talking 10 year old games here)
The casuals play GW2, Neverwinter, ESO mixed with non MMOs
Thats it.
And the saddest fact is that no MMO by AAA company is being made anymore.
Vast majority of who? the inhabitants of this forum that has absolutely no idea what they want in a MMORPG and are stuck in the past and can't seem to get over that they will never have the same experience as they did in EQ1 and a game doesn't suck because its not a open PVP sandbox.
that majority? yeah sorry thats not the true majority. but you have fun waiting for the next "savior" of the MMO Genre ... what is it now? Camelot Unchained? Black Desert? some random Brad Mcquaid game?
EQ2 has very well implemented housing, crafting & clothing systems.
Log in and visit some of the published houses. It cost nothing but a few minutes of your time.
http://eq2decorators.com/
Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
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It really shows a sad state of gaming when i login to Twitch.tv and can't get the urge to watch a single game.Most of the games are rock bottom cheaply made and the few that are not are just boring as heck.
The only entertainment value these games offer is if a streamer is really good otherwise the games themselves can't hold a grain of salt for fun value.You can just look at the highest subbed game ,WOW,hardly anyone cares to watch the game,having your fingers on a keyboard doesn't add that much FUN value to a game.
i can tell you that aside from maybe 4 games,LOL Dota and HS and the sad sack CS gamer's are just jumping on the bandwagon of every new game that comes out.It can even be the very next week,a new game,people jump off the ship they boarded last week onto the new ship.
SO the most popular games are all super cheaply made,costing the developer almost nothing in resources nor to maintain.3 of the games feature only a couple players on screen and CS features VERY small maps that are big time over played and now boring to play or watch.NONE of these are MMO's.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.