10x better? 8.5? Are you serious? Remind me not to ever listen to the current reviewers here at mmorpg.com That is over exaggerating it a bit don't you think? I'm playing it right now and what they have in now is what they should have had in beta. Skyrim and Oblivion still have more features then what ESO has and this is suppose to be an "MMORPG" They still haven't finished the entire crime system which I might add the single player games all had already. Plus they are still working on adding in the rest of the factions yet as well. So Until the crime system is done. Player Housing if Done. The Dark Brotherhood and the Thieves Guild is in I would say its an even 8.0.
Do I even need too mention the game runs with the frigging Hero Engine? Not that can be changed now but it really boggles my mind how out of touch zenimax was when they developed this game. I mean hello MCFLY anyone home??? *knock Knock Knock!*
A lot of the features they had in release they removed because they broke immersion allowing players to group up and quest together. Plus they did a half arsed job of doing the smallest dungeons ever seen in a MMORPG. I did one dungeon so fast with a group I think I broke a new record of 5 mins. The quest dungeon zones are also half assed done, even though they stated they made them bigger. They haven't. They lied. There is bigger dungeons in Skyrim then ESO.
ESO has a long long way to go still until it can even compare to what's on the market right now. And that's saying a lot because most of the MMORPG's out now are absolutely simplistic and down right dreadful and boring to play. ESO is "ok" but it isn't what you are claiming it is in this article.
Originally posted by trash656 10x better? 8.5? Are you serious? Remind me not to ever listen to the current reviewers here at mmorpg.com That is over exaggerating it a bit don't you think? I'm playing it right now and what they have in now is what they should have had in beta. Skyrim and Oblivion still have more features then what ESO has and this is suppose to be an "MMORPG" They still haven't finished the entire crime system which I might add the single player games all had already. Plus they are still working on adding in the rest of the factions yet as well. So Until the crime system is done. Player Housing if Done. The Dark Brotherhood and the Thieves Guild is in I would say its an even 8.0.
Do I even need too mention the game runs with the frigging Hero Engine? Not that can be changed now but it really boggles my mind how out of touch zenimax was when they developed this game. I mean hello MCFLY anyone home??? *knock Knock Knock!*
A lot of the features they had in release they removed because they broke immersion allowing players to group up and quest together. Plus they did a half arsed job of doing the smallest dungeons ever seen in a MMORPG. I did one dungeon so fast with a group I think I broke a new record of 5 mins. The quest dungeon zones are also half assed done, even though they stated they made them bigger. They haven't. They lied. There is bigger dungeons in Skyrim then ESO.
ESO has a long long way to go still until it can even compare to what's on the market right now. And that's saying a lot because most of the MMORPG's out now are absolutely simplistic and down right dreadful and boring to play. ESO is "ok" but it isn't what you are claiming it is in this article.
That 8.5 wouldn't be to far according to some older poll results from IGN community which gave it a 7.6. Seeing how they have vastly improved it 8.5 seems very reasonable.
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10x better? 8.5? Are you serious? Remind me not to ever listen to the current reviewers here at mmorpg.com That is over exaggerating it a bit don't you think? I'm playing it right now and what they have in now is what they should have had in beta. Skyrim and Oblivion still have more features then what ESO has and this is suppose to be an "MMORPG" They still haven't finished the entire crime system which I might add the single player games all had already. Plus they are still working on adding in the rest of the factions yet as well. So Until the crime system is done. Player Housing if Done. The Dark Brotherhood and the Thieves Guild is in I would say its an even 8.0.
Do I even need too mention the game runs with the frigging Hero Engine? Not that can be changed now but it really boggles my mind how out of touch zenimax was when they developed this game. I mean hello MCFLY anyone home??? *knock Knock Knock!*
A lot of the features they had in release they removed because they broke immersion allowing players to group up and quest together. Plus they did a half arsed job of doing the smallest dungeons ever seen in a MMORPG. I did one dungeon so fast with a group I think I broke a new record of 5 mins. The quest dungeon zones are also half assed done, even though they stated they made them bigger. They haven't. They lied. There is bigger dungeons in Skyrim then ESO.
ESO has a long long way to go still until it can even compare to what's on the market right now. And that's saying a lot because most of the MMORPG's out now are absolutely simplistic and down right dreadful and boring to play. ESO is "ok" but it isn't what you are claiming it is in this article.
Jeez haven't you ever heard of saving content for patches and expansions?? The game had a lot at launch(yes, including problems), and a year later they've added a ton more. Always needing that instant gratification right? I like having something to look forward to instead of having everything immediately. MMORPGs do this all the time, it's totally normal and expected. And you are seriously in the minority complaining about the game's graphics, ESO is gorgeous. Really, REALLY looking forward to the flip side of the Justice system, being able to hunt players who murder and steal is gonna F**KING rock, and of course the Thieves Guild and the Dark Brotherhood.
Originally posted by trash656 10x better? 8.5? Are you serious? Remind me not to ever listen to the current reviewers here at mmorpg.com That is over exaggerating it a bit don't you think? I'm playing it right now and what they have in now is what they should have had in beta. In their opinion, it's 10x better. Why is that a problem for you? As for it being what they should have had in beta... you know, I can't give these arguments much weight, because no matter what they add, and when they add it, someone's going to say "they should have had this at launch!". The point remains, the game has grown and improved dramatically since beta/launch. Skyrim and Oblivion still have more features then what ESO has and this is suppose to be an "MMORPG" They still haven't finished the entire crime system which I might add the single player games all had already. Plus they are still working on adding in the rest of the factions yet as well. So Until the crime system is done. Player Housing if Done. The Dark Brotherhood and the Thieves Guild is in I would say its an even 8.0. So, all the ranting and histrionics in your post is over a .5 point difference in score?Seriously?
Do I even need too mention the game runs with the frigging Hero Engine? Not that can be changed now but it really boggles my mind how out of touch zenimax was when they developed this game. I mean hello MCFLY anyone home??? *knock Knock Knock!* Well, two things here.
1) It doesn't run on the HERO Engine. It's running on a custom engine they developed in-house. They prototyped on the HERO Engine. The final game is their own tech. Seriously, 5 minutes on Google - if that - would yield that information.
2) Even if it was still running on HERO Engine... So what? The game runs smoothly and looks great. I'm sure this is a case of clinging to "but SWTOR!"... but seriously... You do understand that how a game comes out hasless to do with the tech used, than it does the skill of those using it, right?
A lot of the features they had in release they removed because they broke immersion allowing players to group up and quest together. Plus they did a half arsed job of doing the smallest dungeons ever seen in a MMORPG. I did one dungeon so fast with a group I think I broke a new record of 5 mins. The quest dungeon zones are also half assed done, even though they stated they made them bigger. They haven't. They lied. There is bigger dungeons in Skyrim then ESO.Gotta say... for someone who started off their post accusing MMORPG.com of exaggerating... you sure do lay on the hyperbole rather thick, yourself.
ESO has a long long way to go still until it can even compare to what's on the market right now. And that's saying a lot because most of the MMORPG's out now are absolutely simplistic and down right dreadful and boring to play. ESO is "ok" but it isn't what you are claiming it is in this article. There's this word, "opinion". You should look it up.
My background. I've played mmo's since the first days of UO,and single player rpd's before that. I've grown to require, for a sustained relationship with a game , world class faction vs faction(not pvp) conflict. I'm an avowed crafter. It's one of the pillars a game must have for me to play. for any length of time.
I was attracted to ESO because I had a fantastic experience with SKYRIM (heavily modded)I've replayed it about 4-5 times.I had great hopes for ESO because they had hired Matt Firror (one of the founders of DAOC ,my all time favorite game). My understanding was that Matt Firror was specifically chosen for his job because the vision for the game was to meld the ELDER SCROLLS worlds with a DAOC like faction conflict feature set.. Craffting was to be a very important element in the game.
So...those were my expectations: SKYRIM like....DAOC 2 like......fantastic crafting.
Early on in beta I had my first concerns. AVA was barely tested. It was a requirement you be level 10 to get to CYRODIIL and at the time that was quite a challenge for many. They never elevated players to level 10 so they could really test the game servers and program code. I said to myself....how can they know what they have when its not tested !
Of course we all know how awful the game was at launch with gold spammers,exploiters,limited inventory etc etc. Cyrodiil quickly revealed itself for what it was and was not.. It was huge(which I liked, but the lag in fights was horrendous. Disconnects were common....even going through doors was sometimes impossible. One of the concerns of players even before beta was the zerg. Hundreds of posts expressing concerns were made and ESO answered saying they would take steps to minimize it.
WHAT I THINK OF THE GAME TODAY:
-I think it's an ok pve game
-Cyrodiil...AvA...is still a mess and clearly not a priority.Rampant lag....massive zerging....queues to get into the few remaining campaigns(they were reduced in number because players and whole pvp oriented guilds have left the game). Have great armor...great skills...the zerg negates them.
-Crafting is not the best way to get top end gear and for the min maxer's is a bitter disappointment..Cyrodiil has carmor/weapons that often exceed what crafter's can make
-PVE game play is action/twitch oriented. Great reflexes and skill in animation cancelling to maximize dps rule the day. Forced grouping...yes to some degree. There is a whole zone where YOU MUST group to xp. Crafters who want drops from the zone to get special trait items and who don't group.....are out of luck(unless they are fortunate enough to see a traited item for sale). There is no AH so you must go from place to place looking for guild vendors. Guilds are almost meaningless since you can belong to 5(and most people do in order to find crafted items)
Summary:
I'm bitter. I feel I was misled(to state it nicely). ESO created expectations It failed to meet and I don't think it was unplanned. I stopped playing the game as soon as buy to play was announced. It was clear...for me...what this game was and was not.
Once again the advertising dollars start to come in, the hype increases and good things are said about it again.
Game had a big drop in population for a reason and it also didn't sell well for a reason. And that reason isn't that its a good game.
The combat is still vastly limited by its 5 skills active at any one time which completely negates the fact they placed a lot of skills in the game that you can train. The story still is average at best and many parts of it is downright annoying with how pathetic they made the people of the world that all needs a hero (going so far as to have a king with an army with him say that you the player must be the one to storm a fort and clear a path for them!). The end game grind is still maddening. Cyrodiil is a joke and is a bigger zerg fest than Guild Wars 2 only with 10x the lag. Crafting is hampered by limited pack space and having to alt hop continually for storage.
There really is little about the game that is redeeming other than now you don't have to pay a fee to keep playing it so its another go to once in a while MMO when needing a break from the ton of other recently made MMOs that are not worth paying for either.
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Once again the advertising dollars start to come in, the hype increases and good things are said about it again.
Game had a big drop in population for a reason and it also didn't sell well for a reason. And that reason isn't that its a good game.
The combat is still vastly limited by its 5 skills active at any one time which completely negates the fact they placed a lot of skills in the game that you can train. The story still is average at best and many parts of it is downright annoying with how pathetic they made the people of the world that all needs a hero (going so far as to have a king with an army with him say that you the player must be the one to storm a fort and clear a path for them!). The end game grind is still maddening. Cyrodiil is a joke and is a bigger zerg fest than Guild Wars 2 only with 10x the lag. Crafting is hampered by limited pack space and having to alt hop continually for storage.
There really is little about the game that is redeeming other than now you don't have to pay a fee to keep playing it so its another go to once in a while MMO when needing a break from the ton of other recently made MMOs that are not worth paying for either.
So what your saying is that the game has not improved vastly in the last year. Except we know that's not true don't we. The game is thriving and a lot of people are loving it.
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I am playing this game from beta and after update 1.6 this game become unplayable. Sever lagging like hell, ping touch 9k+, Game Crash, PvP queue killing us (take 2-3 hours to go in Cyrodiil), after new patch PvE start lagging. Zenimax is busy in making pets/foods for their crown store instead of fixing these problem. Go read in official forum how this game is unbearable. Game is broken after 1 year..... Fix this 1st Zeni............
Once again the advertising dollars start to come in, the hype increases and good things are said about it again.
Game had a big drop in population for a reason and it also didn't sell well for a reason. And that reason isn't that its a good game.
The combat is still vastly limited by its 5 skills active at any one time which completely negates the fact they placed a lot of skills in the game that you can train. The story still is average at best and many parts of it is downright annoying with how pathetic they made the people of the world that all needs a hero (going so far as to have a king with an army with him say that you the player must be the one to storm a fort and clear a path for them!). The end game grind is still maddening. Cyrodiil is a joke and is a bigger zerg fest than Guild Wars 2 only with 10x the lag. Crafting is hampered by limited pack space and having to alt hop continually for storage.
There really is little about the game that is redeeming other than now you don't have to pay a fee to keep playing it so its another go to once in a while MMO when needing a break from the ton of other recently made MMOs that are not worth paying for either.
So what your saying is that the game has not improved vastly in the last year. Except we know that's not true don't we. The game is thriving and a lot of people are loving it.
So I guess it became F2P because it's thriving and doing so great.
Damn, here I thought WoW and FFXIV were the thriving games which allowed them to maintain their sub models, but I was so wrong. From now on when a game gets abandoned by everyone except by a tiny, very vocal minority that spends more time in the forums trying to excuse themselves for playing than the time they spend actually playing; when a mmo is forced to go F2P for being at risk of generating deficit, then that means that the game is thriving and doing great.
Noted.
My opinion is my own. I respect all other opinions and views equally, but keep in mind that my opinion will always be the best for me. That's why it's my opinion.
Once again the advertising dollars start to come in, the hype increases and good things are said about it again.
Game had a big drop in population for a reason and it also didn't sell well for a reason. And that reason isn't that its a good game.
The combat is still vastly limited by its 5 skills active at any one time which completely negates the fact they placed a lot of skills in the game that you can train. The story still is average at best and many parts of it is downright annoying with how pathetic they made the people of the world that all needs a hero (going so far as to have a king with an army with him say that you the player must be the one to storm a fort and clear a path for them!). The end game grind is still maddening. Cyrodiil is a joke and is a bigger zerg fest than Guild Wars 2 only with 10x the lag. Crafting is hampered by limited pack space and having to alt hop continually for storage.
There really is little about the game that is redeeming other than now you don't have to pay a fee to keep playing it so its another go to once in a while MMO when needing a break from the ton of other recently made MMOs that are not worth paying for either.
So what your saying is that the game has not improved vastly in the last year. Except we know that's not true don't we. The game is thriving and a lot of people are loving it.
So I guess it became F2P because it's thriving and doing so great.
Damn, here I thought WoW and FFXIV were the thriving games which allowed them to maintain their sub models, but I was so wrong. From now on when a game gets abandoned by everyone except by a tiny, very vocal minority that spends more time in the forums trying to excuse themselves for playing than the time they spend actually playing; when a mmo is forced to go F2P for being at risk of generating deficit, then that means that the game is thriving and doing great.
Noted.
So it went F2P? really? when? I still see it on Steam for $69.99...
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Thriving as in well populated , and being heavily invested in, well regarded [mod edit]. I would certainly have that than a game with no content in a year, and a patch to introduce .. Selfies.
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Originally posted by Bladestrom Thriving as in well populated , and being heavily invested in, well regarded [mod edit]. I would certainly have that than a game with no content in a year, and a patch to introduce .. Selfies.
Not to mention a total lack of goofy cartoons and creepy little girl races
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I'm bitter. I feel I was misled(to state it nicely). ESO created expectations It failed to meet and I don't think it was unplanned. I stopped playing the game as soon as buy to play was announced. It was clear...for me...what this game was and was not.
Looks to me like you set your own expectations. You saw Matt Firor and assumed ESO would turn out a certain way with his involvement. You played Skyrim and assumed ESO would turn out a certain way based on that.
You created this "ideal dream game" in your head, which happens to have not been the actual game the developers were making.
It sucks, but it's not their fault. They weren't trying to create the game Shadanwolf wanted.
So, if you're disappointed, or "bitter", because it's not what you hoped it would be, then that's understandable. But to try and shift the blame for your own self-induced expectations on the game, or its developers is just plain dishonest. Zeni didn't give you those expectations... you created them yourself.
How about taking personal responsibility for your own misjudgment, huh?
I'm bitter. I feel I was misled(to state it nicely). ESO created expectations It failed to meet and I don't think it was unplanned. I stopped playing the game as soon as buy to play was announced. It was clear...for me...what this game was and was not.
Looks to me like you set your own expectations. You saw Matt Firor and assumed ESO would turn out a certain way with his involvement. You played Skyrim and assumed ESO would turn out a certain way based on that.
You created this "ideal dream game" in your head, which happens to have not been the actual game the developers were making.
It sucks, but it's not their fault. They weren't trying to create the game Shadanwolf wanted.
So, if you're disappointed, or "bitter", because it's not what you hoped it would be, then that's understandable. But to try and shift the blame for your own self-induced expectations on the game, or its developers is just plain dishonest. Zeni didn't give you those expectations... you created them yourself.
How about taking personal responsibility for your own misjudgment, huh?
Or we could blame sites like this that build unrealistic, inflated hype with dishonest reviews like the one that heads this thread.
My opinion is my own. I respect all other opinions and views equally, but keep in mind that my opinion will always be the best for me. That's why it's my opinion.
"Let's try to get 'em back, after they've already left."
Yes. When a game is not what people expected/enjoyed over a year earlier, in beta.. and major changes/improvements have been made in the interim, offering people the opportunity to come back and see how it is now is actually a wonderful business model.
As it stands, people who played previously and didn't enjoy it have been coming back to check it out again, and are now enjoying it. Difference is, people in Beta didn't necessarily buy the game, and so this is a way for them to check it out without having to spend anything to do so. Again, sounds like a wonderful business model to me.
And hey... look how well it worked for SE with ARR. They did the exact same thing. Game failed on its original launch, so they invited back people to check out the new game, to give it a try, kick the tires, and see if it's something they could now enjoy.
I'm bitter. I feel I was misled(to state it nicely). ESO created expectations It failed to meet and I don't think it was unplanned. I stopped playing the game as soon as buy to play was announced. It was clear...for me...what this game was and was not.
Looks to me like you set your own expectations. You saw Matt Firor and assumed ESO would turn out a certain way with his involvement. You played Skyrim and assumed ESO would turn out a certain way based on that.
You created this "ideal dream game" in your head, which happens to have not been the actual game the developers were making.
It sucks, but it's not their fault. They weren't trying to create the game Shadanwolf wanted.
So, if you're disappointed, or "bitter", because it's not what you hoped it would be, then that's understandable. But to try and shift the blame for your own self-induced expectations on the game, or its developers is just plain dishonest. Zeni didn't give you those expectations... you created them yourself.
How about taking personal responsibility for your own misjudgment, huh?
Or we could blame sites like this that build unrealistic, inflated hype with dishonest reviews like the one that heads this thread.
You know, you really aught to work on that close-mindedness.
Not agreeing with a review does not make it "inflated" or "dishonest". It makes you intolerant of a differing opinion.
The review actually reflects the opinions/experiences of many people who are playing the game, both those who've played all along, and those who've come back.
If you can't deal with that... well... that's too bad. Maybe someday, when you've taken the blinders off, you'll learn to be more tolerant of differing points-of-view. 'til then, guess you'll have to deal with it.
Or, you know... go on to forums like these and whine about it.
To those wallowing in bitter hate who feel the op was just off the mark, how much improvement do you think the game has made in the last year, 5%, 100%, somewhere inbetween ? or is it impossible to be positive because the bile burns?
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I'm bitter. I feel I was misled(to state it nicely). ESO created expectations It failed to meet and I don't think it was unplanned. I stopped playing the game as soon as buy to play was announced. It was clear...for me...what this game was and was not.
Looks to me like you set your own expectations. You saw Matt Firor and assumed ESO would turn out a certain way with his involvement. You played Skyrim and assumed ESO would turn out a certain way based on that.
You created this "ideal dream game" in your head, which happens to have not been the actual game the developers were making.
It sucks, but it's not their fault. They weren't trying to create the game Shadanwolf wanted.
So, if you're disappointed, or "bitter", because it's not what you hoped it would be, then that's understandable. But to try and shift the blame for your own self-induced expectations on the game, or its developers is just plain dishonest. Zeni didn't give you those expectations... you created them yourself.
How about taking personal responsibility for your own misjudgment, huh?
Or we could blame sites like this that build unrealistic, inflated hype with dishonest reviews like the one that heads this thread.
You know, you really aught to work on that close-mindedness.
Not agreeing with a review does not make it "inflated" or "dishonest". It makes you intolerant of a differing opinion.
The review actually reflects the opinions/experiences of many people who are playing the game, both those who've played all along, and those who've come back.
If you can't deal with that... well... that's too bad. Maybe someday, when you've taken the blinders off, you'll learn to be more tolerant of differing points-of-view.
I don't have to deal with anything, really. It's ESO that has to deal with disappointing thousands of players thanks to the overhype they built.
In the end, I'm just a person with his life, his family and his work like any other, and my opinion doesn't change anything. But when thousands and thousands of "nobodies" abandon a game and leave it to rot, so much as to force a business model change to avoid going bankrupt, it must mean something.
I get it, you still like ESO, which is respectable. Unfortunately, you're the close minded minority here, not I. The worst of all is that you do a disservice to ESO, because people like you also drive players away. Your choice, though, and not one I'm going to call right or wrong. This is the internet afterall, the place where everyone knows the universal truth and everyone else is wrong.
My opinion is my own. I respect all other opinions and views equally, but keep in mind that my opinion will always be the best for me. That's why it's my opinion.
Lol 'overhype' tell me do you use words like that in real life? Bear in mind this thread is simply a re-review if a game after a year of improvements. Quite why people feel the need to fle all over this is bizzare - we have a developer investing money to make changes made by customer - changes that have been well received. Go figure.
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Originally posted by Bladestrom Lol 'overhype' tell me do you use words like that in real life? Bear in mind this thread is simply a re-review if a game after a year of improvements. Quite why people feel the need to fle all over this is bizzare - we have a developer investing money to make changes made by customer - changes that have been well received. Go figure.
Eh, no, I don't use words like "overhype" in real life. In fact, English is not my native language, nor do I live in a country where English is spoken (in my defence, I do spell English better than you).
No, that's fine. The game got improved, and it's asking a second chance. But there are thousands of mmo's, and that's the thing. Mmo's don't get second chances. If you screwed up once, people are going elsewhere. The thing is, the game already took my money upfront with a deceiving product, and I don't care what number of changes they could have possibly made. They scammed me once already.
You know the saying: fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...
So forgive me for not caring about whatever bunch of promises or changes they've made after being forced to change business model because all the people they lied to and deceived left the game. It's too late, and they know it, even when they try to grasp at straws.
Honestly, this is an absurd argument. I can live without playing ESO and you can live without me playing ESO. This should mean that we're both happy where we are, what I really don't get is all the whiteknighting, at some point I'd think some people are getting a commission for doing it - but that's until you realise that in truth the whiteknighting impacts negatively on the perception that others have about the game, and not positively as most people seem to think. Human psychology is a b*tch.
My opinion is my own. I respect all other opinions and views equally, but keep in mind that my opinion will always be the best for me. That's why it's my opinion.
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Do I even need too mention the game runs with the frigging Hero Engine? Not that can be changed now but it really boggles my mind how out of touch zenimax was when they developed this game. I mean hello MCFLY anyone home??? *knock Knock Knock!*
A lot of the features they had in release they removed because they broke immersion allowing players to group up and quest together. Plus they did a half arsed job of doing the smallest dungeons ever seen in a MMORPG. I did one dungeon so fast with a group I think I broke a new record of 5 mins. The quest dungeon zones are also half assed done, even though they stated they made them bigger. They haven't. They lied. There is bigger dungeons in Skyrim then ESO.
ESO has a long long way to go still until it can even compare to what's on the market right now. And that's saying a lot because most of the MMORPG's out now are absolutely simplistic and down right dreadful and boring to play. ESO is "ok" but it isn't what you are claiming it is in this article.
That 8.5 wouldn't be to far according to some older poll results from IGN community which gave it a 7.6. Seeing how they have vastly improved it 8.5 seems very reasonable.
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Jeez haven't you ever heard of saving content for patches and expansions?? The game had a lot at launch(yes, including problems), and a year later they've added a ton more. Always needing that instant gratification right? I like having something to look forward to instead of having everything immediately. MMORPGs do this all the time, it's totally normal and expected. And you are seriously in the minority complaining about the game's graphics, ESO is gorgeous. Really, REALLY looking forward to the flip side of the Justice system, being able to hunt players who murder and steal is gonna F**KING rock, and of course the Thieves Guild and the Dark Brotherhood.
My opinion on the state of ESO.
My background. I've played mmo's since the first days of UO,and single player rpd's before that. I've grown to require, for a sustained relationship with a game , world class faction vs faction(not pvp) conflict. I'm an avowed crafter. It's one of the pillars a game must have for me to play. for any length of time.
I was attracted to ESO because I had a fantastic experience with SKYRIM (heavily modded)I've replayed it about 4-5 times.I had great hopes for ESO because they had hired Matt Firror (one of the founders of DAOC ,my all time favorite game). My understanding was that Matt Firror was specifically chosen for his job because the vision for the game was to meld the ELDER SCROLLS worlds with a DAOC like faction conflict feature set.. Craffting was to be a very important element in the game.
So...those were my expectations: SKYRIM like....DAOC 2 like......fantastic crafting.
Early on in beta I had my first concerns. AVA was barely tested. It was a requirement you be level 10 to get to CYRODIIL and at the time that was quite a challenge for many. They never elevated players to level 10 so they could really test the game servers and program code. I said to myself....how can they know what they have when its not tested !
Of course we all know how awful the game was at launch with gold spammers,exploiters,limited inventory etc etc. Cyrodiil quickly revealed itself for what it was and was not.. It was huge(which I liked, but the lag in fights was horrendous. Disconnects were common....even going through doors was sometimes impossible. One of the concerns of players even before beta was the zerg. Hundreds of posts expressing concerns were made and ESO answered saying they would take steps to minimize it.
WHAT I THINK OF THE GAME TODAY:
-I think it's an ok pve game
-Cyrodiil...AvA...is still a mess and clearly not a priority.Rampant lag....massive zerging....queues to get into the few remaining campaigns(they were reduced in number because players and whole pvp oriented guilds have left the game). Have great armor...great skills...the zerg negates them.
-Crafting is not the best way to get top end gear and for the min maxer's is a bitter disappointment..Cyrodiil has carmor/weapons that often exceed what crafter's can make
-PVE game play is action/twitch oriented. Great reflexes and skill in animation cancelling to maximize dps rule the day. Forced grouping...yes to some degree. There is a whole zone where YOU MUST group to xp. Crafters who want drops from the zone to get special trait items and who don't group.....are out of luck(unless they are fortunate enough to see a traited item for sale). There is no AH so you must go from place to place looking for guild vendors. Guilds are almost meaningless since you can belong to 5(and most people do in order to find crafted items)
Summary:
I'm bitter. I feel I was misled(to state it nicely). ESO created expectations It failed to meet and I don't think it was unplanned. I stopped playing the game as soon as buy to play was announced. It was clear...for me...what this game was and was not.
My thoughts on the game,as i see it.
Great business model, though.
"Let's try to get 'em back, after they've already left."
Once again the advertising dollars start to come in, the hype increases and good things are said about it again.
Game had a big drop in population for a reason and it also didn't sell well for a reason. And that reason isn't that its a good game.
The combat is still vastly limited by its 5 skills active at any one time which completely negates the fact they placed a lot of skills in the game that you can train. The story still is average at best and many parts of it is downright annoying with how pathetic they made the people of the world that all needs a hero (going so far as to have a king with an army with him say that you the player must be the one to storm a fort and clear a path for them!). The end game grind is still maddening. Cyrodiil is a joke and is a bigger zerg fest than Guild Wars 2 only with 10x the lag. Crafting is hampered by limited pack space and having to alt hop continually for storage.
There really is little about the game that is redeeming other than now you don't have to pay a fee to keep playing it so its another go to once in a while MMO when needing a break from the ton of other recently made MMOs that are not worth paying for either.
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They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
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So what your saying is that the game has not improved vastly in the last year. Except we know that's not true don't we. The game is thriving and a lot of people are loving it.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
YES!
Loving the crap out of ESO
The ESO team deserves praise for there total dedication to improving the game and fostering a community.
Here here, three cheers for Zeni!
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
So I guess it became F2P because it's thriving and doing so great.
Damn, here I thought WoW and FFXIV were the thriving games which allowed them to maintain their sub models, but I was so wrong. From now on when a game gets abandoned by everyone except by a tiny, very vocal minority that spends more time in the forums trying to excuse themselves for playing than the time they spend actually playing; when a mmo is forced to go F2P for being at risk of generating deficit, then that means that the game is thriving and doing great.
Noted.
My opinion is my own. I respect all other opinions and views equally, but keep in mind that my opinion will always be the best for me. That's why it's my opinion.
So it went F2P? really? when? I still see it on Steam for $69.99...
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Not to mention a total lack of goofy cartoons and creepy little girl races
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Looks to me like you set your own expectations. You saw Matt Firor and assumed ESO would turn out a certain way with his involvement. You played Skyrim and assumed ESO would turn out a certain way based on that.
You created this "ideal dream game" in your head, which happens to have not been the actual game the developers were making.
It sucks, but it's not their fault. They weren't trying to create the game Shadanwolf wanted.
So, if you're disappointed, or "bitter", because it's not what you hoped it would be, then that's understandable. But to try and shift the blame for your own self-induced expectations on the game, or its developers is just plain dishonest. Zeni didn't give you those expectations... you created them yourself.
How about taking personal responsibility for your own misjudgment, huh?
Or we could blame sites like this that build unrealistic, inflated hype with dishonest reviews like the one that heads this thread.
My opinion is my own. I respect all other opinions and views equally, but keep in mind that my opinion will always be the best for me. That's why it's my opinion.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Yes. When a game is not what people expected/enjoyed over a year earlier, in beta.. and major changes/improvements have been made in the interim, offering people the opportunity to come back and see how it is now is actually a wonderful business model.
As it stands, people who played previously and didn't enjoy it have been coming back to check it out again, and are now enjoying it. Difference is, people in Beta didn't necessarily buy the game, and so this is a way for them to check it out without having to spend anything to do so. Again, sounds like a wonderful business model to me.
And hey... look how well it worked for SE with ARR. They did the exact same thing. Game failed on its original launch, so they invited back people to check out the new game, to give it a try, kick the tires, and see if it's something they could now enjoy.
Your cynicism is completely unwarranted.
You know, you really aught to work on that close-mindedness.
Not agreeing with a review does not make it "inflated" or "dishonest". It makes you intolerant of a differing opinion.
The review actually reflects the opinions/experiences of many people who are playing the game, both those who've played all along, and those who've come back.
If you can't deal with that... well... that's too bad. Maybe someday, when you've taken the blinders off, you'll learn to be more tolerant of differing points-of-view. 'til then, guess you'll have to deal with it.
Or, you know... go on to forums like these and whine about it.
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Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
I don't have to deal with anything, really. It's ESO that has to deal with disappointing thousands of players thanks to the overhype they built.
In the end, I'm just a person with his life, his family and his work like any other, and my opinion doesn't change anything. But when thousands and thousands of "nobodies" abandon a game and leave it to rot, so much as to force a business model change to avoid going bankrupt, it must mean something.
I get it, you still like ESO, which is respectable. Unfortunately, you're the close minded minority here, not I. The worst of all is that you do a disservice to ESO, because people like you also drive players away. Your choice, though, and not one I'm going to call right or wrong. This is the internet afterall, the place where everyone knows the universal truth and everyone else is wrong.
My opinion is my own. I respect all other opinions and views equally, but keep in mind that my opinion will always be the best for me. That's why it's my opinion.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Eh, no, I don't use words like "overhype" in real life. In fact, English is not my native language, nor do I live in a country where English is spoken (in my defence, I do spell English better than you).
No, that's fine. The game got improved, and it's asking a second chance. But there are thousands of mmo's, and that's the thing. Mmo's don't get second chances. If you screwed up once, people are going elsewhere. The thing is, the game already took my money upfront with a deceiving product, and I don't care what number of changes they could have possibly made. They scammed me once already.
You know the saying: fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...
So forgive me for not caring about whatever bunch of promises or changes they've made after being forced to change business model because all the people they lied to and deceived left the game. It's too late, and they know it, even when they try to grasp at straws.
Honestly, this is an absurd argument. I can live without playing ESO and you can live without me playing ESO. This should mean that we're both happy where we are, what I really don't get is all the whiteknighting, at some point I'd think some people are getting a commission for doing it - but that's until you realise that in truth the whiteknighting impacts negatively on the perception that others have about the game, and not positively as most people seem to think. Human psychology is a b*tch.
My opinion is my own. I respect all other opinions and views equally, but keep in mind that my opinion will always be the best for me. That's why it's my opinion.