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[Review] Elder Scrolls Online: One Year Later, Ten Times Better

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  • BladestromBladestrom Member UncommonPosts: 5,001
    Why don't games get 2nd chances exactly? Is it a If a game us good now it's worth playing. - don't chew your nose off to spite your face as they say. And btw I'm not 'white knighting' anything, your the one that spouted some nonsense about dishonest reviews. Let's be fair now if you were to rereview the game how much would you say it has improved by I. Your opinion?

    rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar

    Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by Alber_gamer
    Originally posted by Bladestrom
    Lol 'overhype' tell me do you use words like that in real life? Bear in mind this thread is simply a re-review if a game after a year of improvements. Quite why people feel the need to fle all over this is bizzare - we have a developer investing money to make changes made by customer - changes that have been well received. Go figure.

    Eh, no, I don't use words like "overhype" in real life. In fact, English is not my native language, nor do I live in a country where English is spoken (in my defence, I do spell English better than you). 

     

    No, that's fine. The game got improved, and it's asking a second chance. But there are thousands of mmo's, and that's the thing. Mmo's don't get second chances. If you screwed up once, people are going elsewhere. The thing is, the game already took my money upfront with a deceiving product, and I don't care what number of changes they could have possibly made. They scammed me once already.

     

    You know the saying: fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...

     

     

    So forgive me for not caring about whatever bunch of promises or changes they've made after being forced to change business model because all the people they lied to and deceived left the game. It's too late, and they know it, even when they try to grasp at straws.

     

    Honestly, this is an absurd argument. I can live without playing ESO and you can live without me playing ESO. This should mean that we're both happy where we are, what I really don't get is all the whiteknighting, at some point I'd think some people are getting a commission for doing it - but that's until you realise that in truth the whiteknighting impacts negatively on the perception that others have about the game, and not positively as most people seem to think. Human psychology is a b*tch. 

    Did you forget already that you were the one that jumped on him with the sarcasm about F2P and WOW and FFXIV as your shining examples? As if popularity meant anything in a gaming world where games like LOL and GTA wipe the floor with everything else.

     

    You call people pointing out the idiocy of your off-topic jabs "whiteknighting" So what does that make your bitter BS about lies and deception... other than hyperbolic paranoia that is.

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  • Alber_gamerAlber_gamer Member UncommonPosts: 588

    Mmo's don't get second chances because the market is bloated, and people just move on. John Smedley actually offered a very good interview to this site after he was "evicted" from SoE (or when SoE was bought and dissolved, more accurately) where he explained it best than I could. 

     

    I suggest you read it, because it's a good read. 

     

    Also, I'm not saying Bill Murphy is being dishonest. I think he writes what he believes, but I doubt he's played the game more than the few first "fun" hours. A mmo is a long-term investment that can't be judged in a few hours. What ESO did well the first time was creating the illusion of being what it was not, and again, sites like this (whether willingly or not) are in good part guilty of it. 

     

    It is obvious that mmorpg.com staff are not guilty for Zenimax releasing an unfinished and unpolished game where half its features did not work and the ones that worked made the game crash to desktop. That's why I won't go back to ESO, but I keep coming to mmorpg.com to check for mmo news. 

    My opinion is my own. I respect all other opinions and views equally, but keep in mind that my opinion will always be the best for me. That's why it's my opinion.

  • Alber_gamerAlber_gamer Member UncommonPosts: 588
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by Alber_gamer
    Originally posted by Bladestrom
    Lol 'overhype' tell me do you use words like that in real life? Bear in mind this thread is simply a re-review if a game after a year of improvements. Quite why people feel the need to fle all over this is bizzare - we have a developer investing money to make changes made by customer - changes that have been well received. Go figure.

    Eh, no, I don't use words like "overhype" in real life. In fact, English is not my native language, nor do I live in a country where English is spoken (in my defence, I do spell English better than you). 

     

    No, that's fine. The game got improved, and it's asking a second chance. But there are thousands of mmo's, and that's the thing. Mmo's don't get second chances. If you screwed up once, people are going elsewhere. The thing is, the game already took my money upfront with a deceiving product, and I don't care what number of changes they could have possibly made. They scammed me once already.

     

    You know the saying: fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...

     

     

    So forgive me for not caring about whatever bunch of promises or changes they've made after being forced to change business model because all the people they lied to and deceived left the game. It's too late, and they know it, even when they try to grasp at straws.

     

    Honestly, this is an absurd argument. I can live without playing ESO and you can live without me playing ESO. This should mean that we're both happy where we are, what I really don't get is all the whiteknighting, at some point I'd think some people are getting a commission for doing it - but that's until you realise that in truth the whiteknighting impacts negatively on the perception that others have about the game, and not positively as most people seem to think. Human psychology is a b*tch. 

    Did you forget already that you were the one that jumped on him with the sarcasm about F2P and WOW and FFXIV as your shining examples? As if popularity meant anything in a gaming world where games like LOL and GTA wipe the floor with everything else.

     

    You call people pointing out the idiocy of your off-topic jabs "whiteknighting" So what does that make your bitter BS about lies and deception... other than hyperbolic paranoia that is.

    Wise words to be sure. I'll try to remember them.

    My opinion is my own. I respect all other opinions and views equally, but keep in mind that my opinion will always be the best for me. That's why it's my opinion.

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by Alber_gamer

    Mmo's don't get second chances because the market is bloated, and people just move on. John Smedley actually offered a very good interview to this site after he was "evicted" from SoE (or when SoE was bought and dissolved, more accurately) where he explained it best than I could. 

     

    I suggest you read it, because it's a good read. 

     

    Also, I'm not saying Bill Murphy is being dishonest. I think he writes what he believes, but I doubt he's played the game more than the few first "fun" hours. A mmo is a long-term investment that can't be judged in a few hours. What ESO did well the first time was creating the illusion of being what it was not, and again, sites like this (whether willingly or not) are in good part guilty of it. 

     

    It is obvious that mmorpg.com staff are not guilty for Zenimax releasing an unfinished and unpolished game where half its features did not work and the ones that worked made the game crash to desktop. That's why I won't go back to ESO, but I keep coming to mmorpg.com to check for mmo news. 

    But you would lose that bet. He has a level 50 DK and he just also bought the $20 console character copy & PS4 game.

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/6627693#6627693

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    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

  • BladestromBladestrom Member UncommonPosts: 5,001
    1 Mmos do get a 2nd chance, I know I discarded eso and got a refund in th first week (mayb you should have done the same) Then i b ought it again when I decided it was good eneogh for me. See how I didn't blame the world for my own misjudgement on release? And btw you did indeed call the op I liar 'dishonest review' was your words I believe.

    rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar

    Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D

  • ShortyBibleShortyBible Member UncommonPosts: 409
    Originally posted by Volgore

    Oh, another of these Bill Murphy reviews that one doesnt have to read to know it's overall dripping with sugar until it concludes to the usual light weighted cons and a free high score.

    The game is still far from "value 10" or other slips this "review" contains.  Even fans of the game admit that there are still major issues.

    It's just that reviews should be done by someone who is actually able to spot a flaw in a product and not be shy to tell about it - not by someone who simply loves everything about every game (as long as it's coming from a top dog company *cough*) and shows just that in about every other of his "reviews". But then... $$$... we get it.

    I fully agree with you :)

    Glad you did not get in trouble for stating the facts.

    Or you might have :)

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    How can it be better if its still class based instead of skill based?

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by DMKano

    I know it's a figure of  speech "ten times better" but the original review was 7.9 - this one is 8.5 - that's 6% difference.


    So in this case "10 times better" is a +6% higher score


     




     

    Maybe he's using a logarithmic scale? image

     

    Although... a 7.9 magnitude earthquake is like 10-15 Megatons of TNT and 8.5 is 85 Megaton... 8.6 is 120 so maybe he made a typo and meant 8.6 :)

    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

    ― Umberto Eco

    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

  • observerobserver Member RarePosts: 3,685
    Originally posted by Antiquated

    Great business model, though.

    "Let's try to get 'em back, after they've already left."

    Not really.  It was a bad decision to go P2P in the first place.  It's like a slap in the face to their former subscribers.  lol.

    They were basically being used to keep the game going, and they probably had B2P or F2P planned all along.  It seems to be the norm now.  Launch as P2P, then go to B2P or F2P once numbers drop below threshold.  It's all conjecture on my part though, but it does seem to be pattern with recent MMO launches.

    They would've earned more loyalty if they were honest with their business plan from the start.

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by observer
    Originally posted by Antiquated

    Great business model, though.

    "Let's try to get 'em back, after they've already left."

    Not really.  It was a bad decision to go P2P in the first place.  It's like a slap in the face to their former subscribers.  lol.

    They were basically being used to keep the game going, and they probably had B2P or F2P planned all along.  It seems to be the norm now.  Launch as P2P, then go to B2P or F2P once numbers drop below threshold.  It's all conjecture on my part though, but it does seem to be pattern with recent MMO launches.

    They would've earned more loyalty if they were honest with their business plan from the start.

     

    Well you're right about contingency plans and target numbers etc. But I fail to see how that equated to a "slap in the face to former subscribers."

     

    I was one of those and I don't feel slapped. They obviously didn't get the retention numbers they were looking for, failed to talk MS into waving the Xbox Gold requirement (they did get Sony to agree to do so with the PS4 last year) and made the change based on that.

     

    In the real world factors on which we base decisions change all the time. Only pig-headed fools refuse to change with them.

    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

    ― Umberto Eco

    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

  • DocMoriartyDocMoriarty Member UncommonPosts: 11
    After reading the review i still don't find any reason why i would return to the game. You play thru each faction once and be done. What the game would really need are completely new and massive game mechanics, a less bad guild system overall and get rid of that massive 'questing on rails' where everyone goes thru the same sequence of quests in the same order. In ESO, unlike most other MMOs, other players are usually a burden, not a help, unless you are doing group dungeons. Play Project Gorgon instead. It will open your eyes. An MMO made mostly by a one man show in a way how these games should be made.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Originally posted by DocMoriarty
    After reading the review i still don't find any reason why i would return to the game. You play thru each faction once and be done. What the game would really need are completely new and massive game mechanics, a less bad guild system overall and get rid of that massive 'questing on rails' where everyone goes thru the same sequence of quests in the same order. In ESO, unlike most other MMOs, other players are usually a burden, not a help, unless you are doing group dungeons. Play Project Gorgon instead. It will open your eyes. An MMO made mostly by a one man show in a way how these games should be made.

    they basically need to make it an actual Elder Scrolls game but online.

     

    All the arguements that it cant be done is baseless.

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

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  • BladestromBladestrom Member UncommonPosts: 5,001
    Pretty much what we have, a hybrid of a MMO and an eso world. Beauty is in ths eye of the beholder.

    rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar

    Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by DocMoriarty
    After reading the review i still don't find any reason why i would return to the game. You play thru each faction once and be done. What the game would really need are completely new and massive game mechanics, a less bad guild system overall and get rid of that massive 'questing on rails' where everyone goes thru the same sequence of quests in the same order. In ESO, unlike most other MMOs, other players are usually a burden, not a help, unless you are doing group dungeons. Play Project Gorgon instead. It will open your eyes. An MMO made mostly by a one man show in a way how these games should be made.

    Well the beauty is that MMOs are not like religion: when you play one you don't need to bash all the others. I have a "new age christian" friend who is always bashing Mormons, Jehova's Witnesses and Catholics... doesn't seem very Christian to me but what do I know, I'm not one.

     

    Project Gorgon is an interesting indie effort with some very neat ideas...and butt-ugly too. It's one that I'm looking forward to seeing more polished. 

     

    But once I do play it, I'll feel no need to reject everything else. I'll still play The Witcher and ESO and pop in to GW2, TSW, and many other MMOs I play when the mood strikes me. And you know what? Not a single one of thme is perfect.

    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

    ― Umberto Eco

    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

  • SiugSiug Member UncommonPosts: 1,257
    Originally posted by Alber_gamer
     

     

    Or we could blame sites like this that build unrealistic, inflated hype with dishonest reviews like the one that heads this thread.

    You seem to take this review as a personal insult but for me it's quite OK. So it's subjective, isn't it? Also, you are doing astonishing acrobatics bashing ESO claiming it went F2P and what not. Well done image

  • kinkyJalepenokinkyJalepeno Member UncommonPosts: 1,044

    Originally posted by GEonWAR

    I am playing this game from beta and after update 1.6 this game become unplayable. Sever lagging like hell, ping touch 9k+, Game Crash, PvP queue killing us (take 2-3 hours to go in Cyrodiil), after new patch PvE start lagging. Zenimax is busy in making pets/foods for their crown store instead of fixing these problem. Go read in official forum how this game is unbearable.  Game is broken after 1 year..... Fix this 1st Zeni............




     

    I can pretty much guarantee the issue is at your end...

  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,464
    Originally posted by Wolfhammer

    Originally posted by GEonWAR

    I am playing this game from beta and after update 1.6 this game become unplayable. Sever lagging like hell, ping touch 9k+, Game Crash, PvP queue killing us (take 2-3 hours to go in Cyrodiil), after new patch PvE start lagging. Zenimax is busy in making pets/foods for their crown store instead of fixing these problem. Go read in official forum how this game is unbearable.  Game is broken after 1 year..... Fix this 1st Zeni............





     

    I can pretty much guarantee the issue is at your end...

    I have seen issues about lag since launch, but have hardly had any issues myself. Sometimes while in a siege, but even then it was minimal. So I have to echo Wolfhammer, the issues are on your end.

     

  • TacticalZombehTacticalZombeh Member UncommonPosts: 431

    Originally posted by SEANMCAD

    How can it be better if its still class based instead of skill based?

    You know, by improving multiple aspects of the game.

    And people who are still stuck on the whole "but it's classed based" argument don't get how little that limits what you want to be.

    My latest char is a sorcerer... A Nord, two-hand battle-axe, heavy armor wearing, in your face melee sorcerer. I've dubbed him a 'Storm Lord' just for the fun of it. I'm still not sure if I'll take tanking (sword n board), dual wield or just stay two handed with him.

  • ZannypantsZannypants Member UncommonPosts: 13
    10 piles of crap is still not a good thing. The game makes GW2 look good.
  • jonp200jonp200 Member UncommonPosts: 457

    Clearly the game is better than the state it was in at launch

    With that said, they still haven't solved the myriad botting issues

    Server performance is sub-par

    While I enjoyed the leveling experience and really feel the PvP was pretty outstanding, the end game still leaves much to be desired - It's a boring grind.

    It lacks a sense of community.  One feels alone in the world playing alongside many other lonely MMOers :)

    I am a huge fan of Skyrim and was very excited about this launching a year ago.  It still isn't there for me and that's too bad, as I really want it to be..  At least now with the BTP model, I can occasionally check back in..

    Seaspite
    Playing ESO on my X-Box


  • ShadanwolfShadanwolf Member UncommonPosts: 2,392
    Originally posted by Pratt2112
    Originally posted by Shadanwolf

    I'm bitter. I feel I was misled(to state it nicely). ESO created expectations It failed to meet and I don't think it was unplanned. I stopped playing the game as soon as buy to play was announced. It was clear...for me...what this game was and was not.

     

    Looks to me like you set your own expectations. You saw Matt Firor and assumed ESO would turn out a certain way with his involvement. You played Skyrim and assumed ESO would turn out a certain way based on that.

    You created this "ideal dream game" in  your head, which happens to have not been the actual game the developers were making.

    It sucks, but it's not their fault. They weren't  trying to create the game Shadanwolf wanted.

    So, if you're disappointed, or "bitter", because it's not what you hoped it would be, then that's understandable. But to try and shift the blame for your own self-induced expectations on the game, or its developers is just plain dishonest. Zeni didn't give you those expectations... you created them yourself.

    How about taking personal responsibility for your own misjudgment, huh?

    Perhaps you might want to read these articles,though I'm sure you will insist on rewriting what actually  happened.

    The premier site for ESO certainly felt there was a strong connection between ESO AVA and DAOC. as this article at Tamriel Foundary shows.

     

    Elder Scrolls Online and the Legacy of DAoC

    http://tamrielfoundry.com/2013/03/eso-daoc-legacy-2/

    http://tamrielfoundry.com/2013/02/eso-daoc-legacy/

    Clearly you are determined to believe what you want to believe. Hopefully by my writing

    my perceptions of reality(along with those of a major ESO site)...I can save others from wasting their time and money on this game.

     

     

  • NomadMorlockNomadMorlock Member UncommonPosts: 815
    Originally posted by jonp200

    Clearly the game is better than the state it was in at launch

    With that said, they still haven't solved the myriad botting issues

    Server performance is sub-par

    While I enjoyed the leveling experience and really feel the PvP was pretty outstanding, the end game still leaves much to be desired - It's a boring grind.

    It lacks a sense of community.  One feels alone in the world playing alongside many other lonely MMOers :)

    I am a huge fan of Skyrim and was very excited about this launching a year ago.  It still isn't there for me and that's too bad, as I really want it to be..  At least now with the BTP model, I can occasionally check back in..

    Lol.  Doesn't seem like you have put in any time since launch. I haven't seen a single bot since before the 60 day mark. 

     

    As as for the lack of sense of community - this leaves me baffled.  I'm a guild master and I'm in several trade guilds. This game has a fantastic and helpful community. Maybe you should try joining a guild or making some friends in game. The server performance was fine until the influx of tons of new players began stressing it. 

     

    It it amazes me the number of haters this game brings out of the woodwork. It's the best MMO on the market in my opinion and hands down has the most complex gameplay for this type of setting.  Keep watching this because with the console launch it's going to continue to be wildly successful and I know it's just going to keep pissing you haters off. 

     

     

  • marcmymarcmy Member UncommonPosts: 95
    I agree with most of what is said here, ESO is much improved and worth checking out again for those that have quit. I wouldn't say it's completely revamped like FFXIV 2.0 was from 1.0, but it's definitely a huge change from launch. There are still some lingering issues, but I'm hoping they will be fixed in time. That said, I just want to know one thing. How on earth is the reviewer getting 60-100 fps even in crowded areas? I'm on an overclocked i7, geforce gtx 770 (oc 4gb), 16gb ram and SSD, and I'm seeing 30s-40s in most cities, such as Riften, Elden Root. And I see drops to 20s occasionally in big groups in Cyrodiil. Even my friend with gtx 970 isn't seeing 60-100, actually I have more fps than her, so unless the reviewer has two Titan Xs in SLI, I'm confused. 

    Currently playing: Elder Scrolls Online, Elite: Dangerous | Recently played: FFXIV, Rift, LoTRO, Diablo 3, Path of Exile, Guild Wars 2 | Single player RPGs: Dragon Age Inquisition, Skyrim

  • marcmymarcmy Member UncommonPosts: 95
    Read some of these extremely negative comments, let me say this: I was in the same boat, I felt the game was utter trash for a long time. This is my third time back after quitting because I had lost hope that ZOS could ever fix this game, imo it was beyond repair. Too many things wrong, too many bad design choices, too many bugs, lazy developing, etc. But it is leagues better than it was. I still have some gripes, as I said before, but these negative comments are wayyy overstating the issues. Let's face the facts. The state of MMOs isn't great at all. The quality of the average MMO game is signifcantly less than a single player blockbuster title, regardless of the name or the IP. That doesn't mean it isn't worth playing, one just has to simply accept that if you want a game to play with friends and socialize, meet people, etc, you'll have to suffer with some of the issues that come along with it. If you can learn to accept that, then you can have fun. But to say that ESO is a bad MMO compared to any other MMO on the market is just downright false and you're lying to yourself if you think otherwise.

    Currently playing: Elder Scrolls Online, Elite: Dangerous | Recently played: FFXIV, Rift, LoTRO, Diablo 3, Path of Exile, Guild Wars 2 | Single player RPGs: Dragon Age Inquisition, Skyrim

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