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Same just noticed this thread didn't know there was 2 threads discussing the same issue so will re post what i posted in the other thread
People may hate me for doing this but i am going to put my neck on the line and say more than likely this game with be P2W firstly it comes from the allods team and the starter packs didn't cost much and i doubt they covered the cost of the game so they will need revenue come from else where.
The only thing i just hope they don't do like they did with allods they really nerfed farming gold imo i am not sure when it happened as i took a break it may of been when they brought out the currency converter so you could change your gold to cash shop currency.
I was interested in the game because i did play the allods game and loved it, i quit not because of P2W but for other reasons and when i heard a game was coming out made by the allods team it raised my interest but sadly i will not be trying the game i just don't like this action combat call me boring but i love my tab target 123 xd and it wasn't the possibility of it being P2W as i don't mind P2W games.
Actually something similiar happened a couple of years ago a game called dragons prophet was coming out when i first heard about the game i was interested as it was from the creators of runes of magic and i loved that game but sadly again i lost interest because i found out it was action combat and it doesn't interest me but i remember at the time i said this is definetly going to be P2W and what happened it did i may be wrong and someone may correct me but when i went back after the game had launched and cash shop was set up i am sure i saw the currency diamonds to purchase stuff from the cashop just like runes of magic.
Anna xx
Did anyone here play allods i only ask because i wanted to know if this community manager Maeron had anything to do with allods as the name sounds familiar ?
Anna
I have yet to see a more destructive aspect in any game then the pay-to-win. MMO's need a decent community to be successful and pay-to-win destroys any hope of that.
I edited my post i didn't mean to say kickstarter i mean't to say the starter packs i sometimes go to type one thing and i end up typing another and i didn't check my post.
Anna
The problem is, they went the entirely wrong way about "stopping" it. Threatening to BAN people for using a common industry term like P2W (literally, this is what was said), closing and burying all threads pertaining to the subject (on MULTIPLE websites), changing thread titles to divert attention, and refusal to actually speak is not the correct way to silence or calm people. It only makes them louder.
Look what happened -- I'm sure far more people now associate Skyforge with P2W because of their attempts to silence people from using the term, than if they had just posted a calmly worded explanation and/or shared that this was not their intent.
Instead, they placed their foot directly in their mouths, and it really came back to bite them. I was always told, growing up, that the hurt dog is always the one who will yell the loudest. The Skyforge Senior Community Manager yelled -- very loudly.
This isn't really even an issue about P2W at this point; it's more an issue of gross censorship and aggression to their own player base.
I'd ban them too.
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The first rule of Pay2Win is you don't talk about Pay2Win....!
As if the Allods team's short-sightedness wasn't already apparent in the continuation of their abysmal past pricing/payment decisions and treatment of customers, they seem to think that gaffer taping the community into silence is the best way to deal with a problem!
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Won't be touching this game with a shitty stick.
I thought the game had a good amount of potential and was looking forward to checking it out. The more I learned as of late I've decided that's not how I feel anymore. It's a very bad free to play model.. basically a very deep pay 2 win system. I don't have an issue with spending some cash on a game I really am into but this model is more for someone who is going to spend tons of money to get huge advantages.
So the "buy resources as much as you want" thing really is true? Really, any game that lets you buy important resources with no cap for money is basically just your typical Facebook pay-to-win model, even if under a shiny "Not a browser game" skin.
And when I say "typical Facebook pay-to-win" model, I mean AS DEFINED BY THE BUSINESSES THAT MAKE THEM (or at least R2Games, and again, they make a ton of money from their F2P P2W games that they openly say "Pay-to-win is acceptable!" instead of making exuses about it), not my own definition. Again, I wish some developers would at least be honest about this.
It looks like the Russian version even lets you buy stat upgrades (in a way). There are blank nodes in the Atlas which you can upgrade to provide stat boosts. This requires in-game obtainable items and argents (which are the cash shop currency you buy with rl$).
http://sf.my.com/us//forum/index.php?page=Thread&postID=99860#post99860
Skyforge is a pay to win mess.
"Closed Beta Tests" are a lie, all they are doing is selling founders packs. The game will be the exact same game that is available right now in the RU version.
"Closed Beta Tests" are only letting people play with broken systems that are going to be changed. (as can be seen in RU version)
Falsely advertised as an "action combat" game. (tab target)
Falsely advertised as an MMO. (It's a lobby game)
Only 1 character per account and you cannot delete it or re-roll.
Everything is instanced and only a few areas where you see other players.
Repeat the same instances over and over and over to progress.
THEN, repeat the same instances over and over and over at "higher difficulty" (mobs just have more HP)
"Boss" fights are boring, 10 HP bars to work through on every one of them over and over and over again.
It's a boring and terrible game, I completely regret buying the founders pack.
Didn't they already admit that they wont change anything for the west specificially regardless of how the CBTs go?
I just ignore the so called "pay to win" items, act like they don't exist. If i can enjoy the game after that point, the game is OK for me. Usually, it becomes clear soon if the game is built around the cash shop items or not. For me, the worst offender is content blocked behind a paywall,
"When people actually disclose that you get huge advantages by spending real money, people don't want to play our game and think it is shit. Don't tell people about how our game isn't very good, trust that we know what is best for our game and not our playerbase"
How fucking clueless can you be? I'm a person that looked forward to Skyforge, certainly will not play it now. Not just because it is p2w, but because the devs are authoritarian assholes that ban people for describing their product.
Sadly this is where the industry is going. You have games introduce new greed mechanics into games and the whiteknights come out of the woodwork to defend it since they are so hard up for a new game.
1. You have War-Z, doing a "Foundation Release" to try and justify charging for a poor quality product.
2. You have Archeage putting limits on subscribers where they have to pay even more to buy labor points
3. You have Pathfinder Online charging a monthly sub fee to beta test.
Its not going to stop. As long as enough of you continue to support this trend so these companies make a profit, it will only continue to get worse. This is only the tip of the iceberg mates, give it 5 more years and wait and see what we are paying for games as this trend continues to get worse.
No game is truly "Free to play" if your not willing to inject a little cash into a game your playing and enjoying then you shouldn't be playing games full stop.
However it really depends on your type of playstyle within a game PvE, PvP etc, mine personally is PvE I have absolutely zero intention in participating in PvP because it's just not for me. So the whole P2P would have no effect on players who intend to play PvE because surely a player that has injected 1000's into the game to better there character can only boost your chances of succeeding in PvE content.
I'm really looking forward to open beta and the 65 euro founder pack is worth every penny "In my opinion"
And THAT is what they learned from Allods. People easily part from there money with a few cheap promises.
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.