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EQ3 Crowdfunding?
Lonzo
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Hi,
What do you think? Would it be possible to let an independent studio develop EQ3 with a kickstarter campaign? I guess all we EQ Fans want is a true EQ3 game. All Smed has to do is sell a license right?
Oh man I would give them alot of money just to have a true EQ Successor with tabtargeting and trinity.... :-D You see how much fame project 99 got?!
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We can dream, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.. For awhile it seemed that every company wanted to mimic WoW with it's multimillion subscription linear themepark.. Now it seems the focus is on people copying or trying to bite off the esport (PvP) pie.. EQ3 should of went with a hybrid (auto / reticle) targeting.. I would of loved a game with more time spent on Lore development, and a persistent world, then all these "one and done" story lines..
As for the trinity, that could of and should of been addressed.. I'm not a fan of the modern day "AOE" taunt/dps trinity like what WoW does, but I don't want to repeat Zergfest like what we see in GW2 either.. There are better options in my book but that is from my own viewpoint and liking.. Maybe people don't like my flavor of play, but I sure would of loved to have a dev address my style as to WHY they refuse to entertain it.. other then a "just cuz"..
Why don't you look into Pantheon then. Its exactly that
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
Your best bet at the moment is Pantheon.
Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
Benjamin Franklin
Hands up if you like Smedley
/watches a mass of ppl put their hands to the floor
wishful thinking....
But really think about it people want to recreate how they felt when they played UO and WOW and EQ for the first time. But that is like wanting to date your first girlfriend all over again. while its easy to look back with rose colored glasses. the bottom line is we all left those games for one reason or another.
Maybe daybreak will develop there own version of eq3 after eqn ( which may be something wonderful or maybe a big turd who knows)
but there is a bright spot Landmarks the game is getting a big overhaul today.
Dude! We're already getting EQ3. It's called Pantheon, Rise of the Fallen and has all you ever wanted.
Now, if it's Norrath that you want with the game mechanics that you are so longing for, well...
EQN that some think are in the making and some don't is waaaaay off from what you want AND Smedley will NEVER sell the License. That's for sure.
If I were you, I'd go support Pantheon. It's your last and only hope as it stands today!
Honestly, I can sympathize that you want to recapture that past glory that was EQ. However, truth be told, it's to the point where you might as well say "EQ Fan" because making it plural almost seems silly now. I would love to see a throwback game, but the market is so teenie tiny that it's not even worth fighting over. LOOK! They basically said "Oh yeah, Project 99? Run with it dudes!" WTF?!?!? If that doesn't say they have no f$@ks to give, I don't know what does. EQ1 was a seriously niche game and the market was limited for it back in the day, even when there wasn't competition. It's got to evolve, though, if a company is going to care about developing it.
Oh! And even with all the "fame" Project99 got, I don't know that I've seen the server population hit 4 digits yet. It can be run on passion, but I just don't see it as a business.
Crazkanuk
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I think ....
putting money into wishful thinking when there is no guarantee of anything? Better you than me. I don't mind if other people put money into a pipeline, but that is just not for me.
If the KS fails, i will have something to make fun of. If it is successful, then may be i will consider to give it a try if it sounds fun. Either way, I will be entertained.
I am still married to my first girlfriend.
When you find the right person, you don't let go of her.
Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
Benjamin Franklin
I find these gf/wife analogies about games just silly. I married to ONE person. I don't play just one game. If I lost my wife, I probably will die of sorrow. If tomorrow a game I like close down, so what .. there are tons of other entertainment.
I made kids with my wife and we build a life. That I would consider an achievement. Games .. are just a waste of time ... in a way to past time in a fun manner (not unlike other entertainment like TV, anime, movies, and posting here).
Games are just not that important compared to people in my life.
I agree. Completely.
But the analogy was that not everything is just nostalgia or looking back with rose colored glasses. Just because I fell in love with someone, or something, twenty years ago does not mean I should move on. Heck, my wife still refuses to play any MMORPG except EQ / EQ2, and she prefers EQ.
My daughters like GW2, I still can't figure out where I went wrong
Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
Benjamin Franklin
For now: Check out Project 1999.
For "soon", check out Pantheon.
That is all you can do. Even the community starts claiming that EQ was and is niche,... maybe it is, maybe it is not. Only Pantheon can tell in a few years. Noone else wants to make a game that does not come witha n "i win" button from level 1.
MMOs finally replaced social interaction, forced grouping and standing in a line while talking to eachother.
Now we have forced soloing, forced questing and everyone is the hero, without ever having to talk to anyone else. The evolution of multiplayer is here! We won,... right?
Certainly it is your prerogative to continue to like an entertainment .. just like there are those who still read their favorite books again and again.
However, it is wrong to equate that with personal relationship, and expect others to do the same. Marriage is a lot more universal (although not as absolute as before) than attitudes towards entertainment.
Entertainment is just not as important as personal relationships to many .. and rightly so.
Well, congrats, same here actually. Been together going on 20 years now.
To make this type of analogy completely accurate, though, it would be more like you were married to someone for X number of years and you loved them so much. Then they DIED!!! However, you are so in love with her that you just continue sleeping with her, "loving" her for years!
Basically, it's one thing to love someone or something, but it's another thing to be reasonable. What people don't do is ask whether or not what they're requesting is reasonable. Is it reasonable to run a game with 1000 subscribers? Probably not. It's got to be a game that appears to a larger customer base.
Crazkanuk
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Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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Pantheon Rise Of The Fallen is the EQN that everyone wanted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywzMyvtuC6Y (showing off the engine)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzSFuHBRdNU (watch the chat box here, combat mirrors classic EQ combat and skill progression)
Especially when the reason we "moved on" from Everquest, was because it changed into something that no longer felt like Everquest. For me that began in Luclin and got worse every expansion from there. If modern EQ was still anything like vanilla-velious, most of us wouldn't even be posting here or drooling over Pantheon.
DBG should revive Verant, give them the use of the Forgelight engine for free, and set them loose to create a Kick Starter.
It's the only way we would ever get a true EQ3.
Plus, it would kinda of echo how EQ was made in the first place...
To do a kickstarter justice, you really need a year of development and content built up. Anything less is risky business as the Pantheon team learned the first time around.
They'd be better off just throwing a couple programmers and artists at Pantheon and pay Jeff Butler (whom Windbreak just fired) to join their team. Pantheon is finally at a place where it would could be successful in a Kickstarter, would be silly to start over just to use Forgelight especially considering this looks better than anything created in Forgelight.
Well, it's really not likely to happen anyhow, but actually not gonna disagree with you here. I am all for what they are doing with pantheon, but a part of me says that there is just too much baggage and hostility attached to the name McQuaid to see it ever get fully funded (though I would def fund it myself).
The current climate to crowdfunding for MMORPGs (made worse by clear scams like Greed Monger) isn't that friendly, especially to unsupported indies.
Project 99 is releasing Velious in August.
Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
Benjamin Franklin
A vocal hostile minority can shape many opinions and make many people nervous enough to not put money down. Don't underestimate the power of 'opinion formers'.
But, yeah, like I say, I hope that you are right. I would very much like to see the game fully funded.
That's not necessarily true, or WoW would have died long ago. The proof is in the veritable pudding. Project1999 isn't performing, really. There are other sandbox MMOs of old that have really cool IP that has an emu that sees similarly *yawn* numbers. DBG has given Project1999 the OK to go ahead and prove them wrong, yet it seems like the EQ fans are still arguing what game EQN should be opposed to playing what they profess they love.
Crazkanuk
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Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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This is why I wrote 'can'.
Opinion formers are a recognised thing though. It's why shilling on the internet is such a powerful tool. It's a cheap and effective way of forming the 'reality' that you want to project. People are extremely malleable in how they think in general, even when they think themselves too clever for that kind of thing.
/shrug
P99 had 1500 online on their blue server 2 nights ago (when I last played). That seems very healthy to me... What makes you say it isn't 'performing'?
You really think mine and Dull's exchange was an 'argument'? Wow... It seemed like a very civil discussion to me... But, yeah, I find time to both play the game I profess to love and have chats about it online. Imagine that.
Uhm...most people don't like to spend money on failed crowdfunding projects.
The fact is, that Pantheon doesn't even look better than EQ did 10 years ago.
SORRY, EQ fans want something from 2015, not from 1935.
Pantheon:
EQ1: