Do we want a true marvel Universe in 3D?

Lord.Bachus · May 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2bNw5Ye8Ek

would be a great setting for a true 3D MMO..

(personally i am more a DC kind of person)

Daemonweaver · May 2015

Totally agree. I am not a DC fan at all (except for Batman) Marvel all the way for me. I played DC universe online and it was great fun, just a huge lack of content but I always found myself wishing it were set in a marvel universe. I also played Champions online and that was a laugh just outdated and lacking something that I couldn't put my finger on. Actually Champions with DC universe combat and graphics would have been pretty cool.

Dibdabs · May 2015

Originally posted by Daemonweaver
Totally agree. I am not a DC fan at all (except for Batman) Marvel all the way for me. I played DC universe online and it was great fun, just a huge lack of content but I always found myself wishing it were set in a marvel universe.

Me too, except I don't really like Batman all that much!

Nilden · May 2015

I wanted this since the release of City of Heroes.

XAleX360 · May 2015

I'm stunned Marvel didn't do anything like this yet, it could print money if done right.

nariusseldon · May 2015

nah ... i prefer Diablo-ish top down combat. In fact, it is much easy to combat a horde of baddies that way, then a true 3D system.

The best Marvel RPGs .. marvel ultimate alliance 1 & 2, The xmen legend games, and marvel heroes are all Diablo-ish, not for no reasons.

Axehilt · May 2015

Marvel Heroes and City of Heroes are really the most reasonable directions that could go.

If you're going to let players build their own heroes, you ditch Marvel entirely and just let players build their own characters (CoH) and create a MMORPG around that. It won't matter that 99% of the heroes running around are nobodies, because the game isn't supposed to be about a particular IP.

Otherwise, you create a game where all the characters being used are those specific heroes, and pick a genre that lets you use multiple characters. Admittedly creating a Diablo-like game (Marvel Heroes) isn't the best genre fit, since there seems to be little incentive to hop between characters, but a MMORPG would be even worse in this regard. But they do have a few other genres (CCG, fighting) where the characters are used to better effect. Also I think a create-your-party RPG like Freedom Force would work fantastic with the Marvel IP.

nariusseldon · May 2015

Originally posted by Axehilt
Marvel Heroes and City of Heroes are really the most reasonable directions that could go.

If you're going to let players build their own heroes, you ditch Marvel entirely and just let players build their own characters (CoH) and create a MMORPG around that. It won't matter that 99% of the heroes running around are nobodies, because the game isn't supposed to be about a particular IP.

Otherwise, you create a game where all the characters being used are those specific heroes, and pick a genre that lets you use multiple characters. Admittedly creating a Diablo-like game (Marvel Heroes) isn't the best genre fit, since there seems to be little incentive to hop between characters, but a MMORPG would be even worse in this regard. But they do have a few other genres (CCG, fighting) where the characters are used to better effect. Also I think a create-your-party RPG like Freedom Force would work fantastic with the Marvel IP.

I do think Diablo-like game is a perfect fit .. because the combat mirrors combat book action (one against many) better.

I think the play style variety itself is an incentive to hop between characters, and MH does make it easy to do so ... and that there are benefits (the synergy system) to play more than one heroes.

Personally i like MH way more than CoH .. just because if i want to play comic book like heroes, i want to play the "real deal" and not some no one that I make up. I would have like DC Universe a lot better if i can actually play Superman, than a Superman knock-off.

Axehilt · May 2015

Originally posted by nariusseldon
I do think Diablo-like game is a perfect fit .. because the combat mirrors combat book action (one against many) better.

I think the play style variety itself is an incentive to hop between characters, and MH does make it easy to do so ... and that there are benefits (the synergy system) to play more than one heroes.

Personally i like MH way more than CoH .. just because if i want to play comic book like heroes, i want to play the "real deal" and not some no one that I make up. I would have like DC Universe a lot better if i can actually play Superman, than a Superman knock-off.

Slaughtering endless waves of meaningless minions isn't really what comic books tend to be about. Typically it's more about their conflict with the big villain than their endless minions, which is why a fighting game works great.

One against many has a lot going for it for gameplay, but isn't a 'perfect fit' for what comic books are.

As for Superman? Well, personally I feel like he's basically the worst superhero design of all time. He does everything and has an arbitrary weakness. The poor bastards stuck trying to create good stories with that character have their work cut out for them, since good story design will relate somehow to the human condition, and Superman seems deliberately designed to be impossible to relate to.

tawess · May 2015

I am not sure there is actually room on the market for a "full" MMORPG set in the marvel universe... No matter if it goes themepark or sandbox.

the MMO genre is over-saturated as it is and while superhero movies area big thing right now that does not automaticly translate to mmo-gamers.

The reason that Diablo-Marvel is such a hit is that you can play as the big names and that the gameplay is fairly simple. Mash buttons, get loot mash some more. It is also very single player friendly.

A marvel "WoW" would not have the same pull. Not only is it two nerdy things combined in to one... It is a typ of game that many look upon with down-right fear due to the huge time investment needed and the often very complex system.

Do I want it... Sure... Do i think it is a viable idea... Nope.

giftedHorn · May 2015

The superhero game I'd like to see:

* yes, three-dimensional, so we can fly, climb walls, etc.

* don't care if it's roll your own or play as an established superhero

* each player gets a private instance to patrol

* can pick setting to match superhero -- seaside metropolis, desert metropolis, small town, etc.

* patrol consists of following a series of hidden clues

* clues can spawn enemy ambushes

* last clue gives a lair map, key to a lair i.e. dungeon of a random level

* players can invite friends to help them with their lairs or sell the maps at the auction house

* players can also team up with friends or random other players to do 5-10 player alerts

So, not very MMO-like, but... I don't like playing as Daredevil and having the Hulk barge in and kill-steal every few minutes. I would like to just patrol alone and survive ambushes as Daredevil. Or playing as the Hulk, maybe I only want to do group content where I can tank. Allowing players to trade lair maps could give us a universe where both play styles work together.

Mendel · May 2015

The biggest issue with any game based on a specific IP is that many players will want to play the same IP character. The simplest way to allow the players to be whichever character they want is to make the game single player, where the game controls the number of Hulks or Scarlet Witches running around. Adding a multi-player element either has to go the make-your-own character route, like CoH/CO, or embrace the immersion-challenging Marvel Heroes, where you might see a dozen people running around as Cyclops or Wolverine or Black Canary. Both can make interesting games, but both styles suffer from distancing themselves from the IP. The result, they become less like RPGs because they lose the unique personalities from the IP.

nariusseldon · May 2015

Originally posted by Axehilt
Originally posted by nariusseldon
I do think Diablo-like game is a perfect fit .. because the combat mirrors combat book action (one against many) better.

I think the play style variety itself is an incentive to hop between characters, and MH does make it easy to do so ... and that there are benefits (the synergy system) to play more than one heroes.

Personally i like MH way more than CoH .. just because if i want to play comic book like heroes, i want to play the "real deal" and not some no one that I make up. I would have like DC Universe a lot better if i can actually play Superman, than a Superman knock-off.

Slaughtering endless waves of meaningless minions isn't really what comic books tend to be about. Typically it's more about their conflict with the big villain than their endless minions, which is why a fighting game works great.

As for Superman? Well, personally I feel like he's basically the worst superhero design of all time. He does everything and has an arbitrary weakness. The poor bastards stuck trying to create good stories with that character have their work cut out for them, since good story design will relate somehow to the human condition, and Superman seems deliberately designed to be impossible to relate to.

"Endless minions" .. you said it .. not me. You have to get through the endless minions first .. then the boss fight. That describe Diablo exactly.

Yes, superman is a bit brand .. but that my point is that if I want play a DC game, i want to play the real heroes, batman, the flash and so on ... and not some self-made knock off.

nariusseldon · May 2015

Originally posted by Mendel
The biggest issue with any game based on a specific IP is that many players will want to play the same IP character. The simplest way to allow the players to be whichever character they want is to make the game single player, where the game controls the number of Hulks or Scarlet Witches running around. Adding a multi-player element either has to go the make-your-own character route, like CoH/CO, or embrace the immersion-challenging Marvel Heroes, where you might see a dozen people running around as Cyclops or Wolverine or Black Canary. Both can make interesting games, but both styles suffer from distancing themselves from the IP. The result, they become less like RPGs because they lose the unique personalities from the IP.

That is my biggest gripe of Marvel Heroes, which i like very much. I am happy to live with it because immersion is really not that important, plus you can always argue .. the marvel universe has parallel universes anyway (ultimate, the regular, and so on and so forth) .... and that the game is fun, and you can always go into the instances to escape the crowd.

It would be better though (for me at least) if they get rid of the public zones.

Eldryth · May 2015

Provided it has the same kind of character customization as CoH (DCUO was fun, but without anything like powersets it's pretty much just a bunch of sets of of identical characters in gameplay), I'd love it! Didn't care for Marvel Heroes, I prefer to make my own character and it makes no sense to see several of the same person in a group.

This is actually what Champions Online was originally going to be, btw. At some point Cryptic and Marvel had a falling out and it switched ips. Honestly I wouldn't play that even if it were Marvel though, did not enjoy that game.

Bitrip · May 2015

I want X-Men Legends 3. XML2 is still one of my top favorite games...I have been waiting for another similar style game to top it. D3 came close but Marvel characters are just too iconic to compare.

nariusseldon · May 2015

Originally posted by Bitrip
I want X-Men Legends 3. XML2 is still one of my top favorite games...I have been waiting for another similar style game to top it. D3 came close but Marvel characters are just too iconic to compare.

Marvel Heroes is it ... you can play cyclops, wolverine (which i have), rogue (a great implementation of rogue .. better than all other games), storm, ... even juggernaunt, magneto ....

BTW, isn't Marvel Ultimate Alliance even better than XML2 since it has characters other than just xmen?

Nilden · May 2015

As someone who had 12 lvl 50's in City of Heroes I would love something like it only with the Marvel Universe instead of Statesman and Lord Recluse. The travel powers alone in a 3D world blow away anything the other type of games offer for me.

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