All of this politically correct BS is nice and all, but it comes down to one thing: money.
If some developer believes there is money to be made producing a game to appeal to some demographic enough to make money at it, then game will be made. If not, not.
Which is why there is not a black, transgendered, nun bowling MMO either.
It is really no more complicated to listening to what the market dictates.
I wouldn't want to play one. Sounds pretty boring.
I know the discussion has primarily revolved around how offensive and such some might view it, but I just flat out think it's a dumb idea that wouldn't be enjoyable as a game. Then again, I also think Truck Simulator is pretty stupid too, yet there are people who play that.
The native theme is not all that hidden,it has been done before just not in a MMO that i know of and definitley not that often.
I am sure everyone has heard of the Age of Empires game,it features native cultures in every rendition.
There was a game way back in which i owned and played by Interplay named Conquest of the new world.It was perhaps the game that influenced Age of Empires as Interplay went defunct at some point.It was also one of the earlier multiplayer games and one of the first that featured a native theme.Players could play 1/5 Euro races or a native race.
I remember the graphics were pretty decent for that time not far off what we have seen in Age of Empires.
A real oddity and sort of unrealized by many is that the Mithra race inside of FFXI actually leans towards a native life.They were into BOW's not guns or spears and they enjoyed Fishing.Their outfits look like native wear and their leaders were called a tribal Chieftainess.However truth is FFXI took most of it's ideas from mythology and Mithras were more a Persian deity that is argued to be the early form of Christianity,so i guess Square just sort of gave them a Native look and a Native theme within FFXI.
Tecumseh is an extremely famous name in history,so yes it is hard to believe we don't see more on the native culture in games. Tecumseh Lies here is a game developed by students in Windsor Ontario and ARG "alternate Reality game".
Upper One game developer.This company will go down in the history books,it is a collaboration between a former Activision big shot and the Native people of Alaska.Their goal is to educate people through a learning game while still trying to keep it fun.They were tired of the stereotypes "usually bad ones",so their goal is to produce more facts in their games.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Almost anything can be seen as offensive. Whatever culture you portray whether it is fictionalized or not, needs to be jazzed up a bit to make it more exciting. You don't see many games where you play Germans unless they are Nazis or some other aggressive warmongers.
Indian cultures were/are as varied as any other cultures. There were cannibals, expansionists, slavers, overlords, traders, etc. If you are creating content that is gonna be more than super, super niche, you're gonna have to delve into some of the darker elements of indian cultures.
Obviously not all MMOs need to be 'exciting,' but in my experience, as a general rule, they do better than those that are less so.
Minor niggle. India is a sub-continent inhabited by c. 1.25 billion people. Very varied culture (multiple waves of invaders / settlers over millennia; British Raj); birth place of two of the worlds major religions as well as a third significant one; and contains some of the world's great architectural buildings.
As far as "native American Indians" go as you say they are not a "homogenous" group. They were not all the same. Some were "farmer types"; some "invader types" - some responsible for the slaughter of other American indian tribes - reinforcing the message: not all the same. (In other words no different to what happened in Europe, Asia, Africa, South America etc.).
As for the concept of a "North American mmo" I don't agree. I don't feel it would offer enough source material. True, imo, of other "single" cultures. That said:
A Tale in the Desert is based on a single culture - Ancient Egypt - which might come close to what such an mmo might look like - heavy influence on crafting, trading, building, social challenges etc.
I don't see the appeal of a racial MMO. It would be quite boring. Almost all MMOs feature multiple races which works quite well. You get to experience multiple cultures whether if it's fantasy or reality.
I wouldn't want to play an Arabic or African MMO, which focuses solely on their culture.
How about everyone just go read "People's history of the united States." Then talk about how much white people suck. Because they're the one group you can freely bash. No need for mmo. (Coming from a white guy so its not racist.)
Having a large amount of Native American heritage, I kind of find it demeaning that you brought this up. Do we have to make an mmo centered around Native American culture? Why? So we can feel more secure that Native Americans are represented (correctly) in the video game industry?
Originally posted by laokoko "if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
Originally posted by thundercles How about everyone just go read "People's history of the united States." Then talk about how much white people suck. Because they're the one group you can freely bash. No need for mmo. (Coming from a white guy so its not racist.)
Are you saying that Native Americans bash whites? Because there are many white people that go to reservation, for many different reasons, and they are not hated at all. Native Americans do not think "white people suck" so where do you get your information?
Originally posted by laokoko "if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
There is simply not enough cultural diversity in gaming which leads us only with the same roles with the same type of characters. We are heavily missing the following from the selection screen:
African Americans
Native Americans
Puerto-Ricans
And others in roles which do not involve them being criminals, being the first killed, strongly misrepresented or being second fiddle or completely absent all together.
I would be supportive of a Native American MMO. There was a RPG on Steam that was very supportive of Alaskan lore called Never Alone which the developers really did do their research. The only problem would be that the developers would not only have to know about the culture besides the hollywood invasion of it but accurately portray it as well as the lore depending on the genre of the game. Also, tread carefully when representing different ethnicities in games. The closer it is the more offensive it can be if there are things that are questionable or down-right deogratory. I'm not talking about elements in a MMO or silly stuff, i'm talking about some potrayls in Hollywood that have been hiding behind the "Freedom of Speech" curtain to purposely portray certain ethnicities in a bad light with a propaganda machine behind it.
If there's going to be MMO's about the original people of North America then there might as well be donations set up to help those very people that are still on lands that they've been subjected to since the invasion. That's one way this could get positively started. Just as we have the rallies for donation for kids I don't see much of a problem having something similar set for the actual descendants of Native American tribes just like we have Child's Play.
Our world is filled with many different people from all walks of life. It's time to stop making game exclusively un-diverse with the same male-female roles and absent of other ethnicities. We have too many walks of life from EU and NA to continue this type of exclusiveness. It's 2015 yet the MMO industry still acts as if only young-30 year old male and now female are the only audience to these games.
Again, MMO's that do not involve other ethnicities being criminals, brain-dead, the first ones to die or second-fiddle in the overall story-line or lore.
Game developers need to wake up and realise their audience is more than just one group of players. It's multitudes. This also needs to be shown in the hiring process for Gaming, Programming and IT in general.
I keep seeing advocation for different ideals and viewpoints but hardly do I see such effort when it comes to different ethnicities. Its a state of reality that is in dire need of changing. If I see different ethnicities in the real world, why are they almost invisible in MMOs? How long will ignorant companies use the excuse of "it won't sell"?
Originally posted by strawhat0981 Having a large amount of Native American heritage, I kind of find it demeaning that you brought this up. Do we have to make an mmo centered around Native American culture? Why? So we can feel more secure that Native Americans are represented (correctly) in the video game industry?
That's because people always feel guilt due to their ancestors. It's the same way people view Africa as a 3rd world poverty-stricken continent, which isn't true in the majority of the continent. Africa is actually quite modern, as is India and China, but people in the west see them through stereotypes and pity. It's really not about others, but only themselves and their conscience.
Originally posted by strawhat0981 Having a large amount of Native American heritage, I kind of find it demeaning that you brought this up. Do we have to make an mmo centered around Native American culture? Why? So we can feel more secure that Native Americans are represented (correctly) in the video game industry?
That's because people always feel guilt due to their ancestors. It's the same way people view Africa as a 3rd world poverty-stricken continent, which isn't true in the majority of the continent. Africa is actually quite modern, as is India and China, but people in the west see them through stereotypes and pity. It's really not about others, but only themselves and their conscience.
This is based upon selective picking from the media. When the average person sees Africa they are only taught the following:
Enslaved
Poor
3rd World
Criminal
Yes, there are parts in Africa that are such just like any population in any country that has its problems but this is due to opression from higher-ups and politics. What has been absent as mentioned is that Africa is also a modern country as well. This is what the propaganda machine doesn't want people to know which, quiet frankly, is intolerance, censorship, nationalism and or racism. There are modern buildings and technology in Africa not just mud-huts and poverty-stricken cities. Sadly they won't show these areas and only pick the worst-looking ones for display to remind people of a race of how 'poor' or 'ignorant' they are.
Particularly, western country has been taught that other culturals, especially those with rural-like influence are "3rd world". When you see someone of a darker descendant next to a drum, it is taught to be looked down upon. What I find sad is those from these countries can't even celebrate their own culture without envy and jealousy. Sometimes it is simply cultural and a different way of life. If a woman wants to put tatoos or dress colorful on her face what business is it for others to tell her what she may or may not wear?
Originally posted by thundercles How about everyone just go read "People's history of the united States." Then talk about how much white people suck. Because they're the one group you can freely bash. No need for mmo. (Coming from a white guy so its not racist.)
Are you saying that Native Americans bash whites? Because there are many white people that go to reservation, for many different reasons, and they are not hated at all. Native Americans do not think "white people suck" so where do you get your information?
My comment has nothing to do with native Americans. Go read people's history of the united States and you'll understand.
Originally posted by thundercles How about everyone just go read "People's history of the united States." Then talk about how much white people suck. Because they're the one group you can freely bash. No need for mmo. (Coming from a white guy so its not racist.)
Are you saying that Native Americans bash whites? Because there are many white people that go to reservation, for many different reasons, and they are not hated at all. Native Americans do not think "white people suck" so where do you get your information?
My comment has nothing to do with native Americans. Go read people's history of the united States and you'll understand.
So, you think I do not know what you are trying to say. You are posting this in an article about native americans, you know that right? Plus, it think that Howard Zinn is a complete idiot and anti-American Marxist . That is my opinion of course.
Originally posted by laokoko "if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
Originally posted by mayito7777 Sorry OP but that never will happen, right now the Washington Redskins are been sued because the use of the term "Redskin" is considered to be racism, can you imagine all the lawsuits that would be launch if someone made such a game?
Not 1 native american i have talked too complains about the name Redskin. That comes from Political Correctness crapfrom liberals. Do Whites complain about whiteman, do blacks complain complain about blackman ? Native Americans have a proud heritage. They should not be ashamed of nothing/. Native americans were at war with each other way before the whiteman entered the arena.
Agreed 1000% with your point, it is not the Native American who would sue but the liberal idiots.
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On the other hand I would love to see a MMO based in the whole aboriginal population of North, Central and South America, now that would be an awesome MMO.
Originally posted by thundercles How about everyone just go read "People's history of the united States." Then talk about how much white people suck. Because they're the one group you can freely bash. No need for mmo. (Coming from a white guy so its not racist.)
Are you saying that Native Americans bash whites? Because there are many white people that go to reservation, for many different reasons, and they are not hated at all. Native Americans do not think "white people suck" so where do you get your information?
My comment has nothing to do with native Americans. Go read people's history of the united States and you'll understand.
So, you think I do not know what you are trying to say. You are posting this in an article about native americans, you know that right? Plus, it think that Howard Zinn is a complete idiot and anti-American Marxist . That is my opinion of course.
I think to put things in perspective, you might try reading a book by James W Loewen, called 'Lies my teacher told me' it really helped me put things into perspective, uncomfortable reading perhaps, but i think ignoring or rewriting history is probably how so many of the present conflicts have been allowed to fester.
"Everyone starts out as a savage(think Broud in the beginning of the story) and slowly learns how to not only survive against the harsh reality of the environment but also with the different societies you come across as you travel the world searching for your own place in the world.
You learn crafts/trades from the peoples you come across, including specialty type things like fine leatherwork, weaving, basketweaving, carpentry, stonework, metalwork, tattooing, cooking, hunting methods(new weapons learned, sling, bow, dagger, axe etc), cooking and alchemy(new recipes learned and the ability to process new materials), the list could go on forever.
Once you find a place you want to settle and begin your own tribe, a new world of festivals and mass hunts etc will open up along with housing(only tents for shelter while traveling). Pvp could even find a good place here as tribes could battle for certain rights/privileges. The festivals would be the only time you can trade with other tribes or have members from them join yours, there would be group hunts for large beasts(mammoth, whales, etc) and competitions among the different crafts/trades etc. with ingame achievements/prizes awarded for those who complete them. Anyway, you get the gist of it."
I'd love a native american themed mmorpg or even better a prehistoric (stone age) one.
In either case the setting would be perfect for an all out realistic sandbox experience with gathering, crafting, survival, clan and territorial warfare in a vast landmark free world etc - which is the type of game I've been dreaming of for years.
The advantage of prehistoric over native american is the absence of cultural indentification - we all have homo sapien ancestors so the setting would surely appeal to more people.
On the other hand native american culture has a heavy dose of mysticism and shamanic "magic" associated with it so that could be interesting too.
Originally posted by strawhat0981 Originally posted by thundercles Originally posted by strawhat0981 Originally posted by thundercles How about everyone just go read "People's history of the united States." Then talk about how much white people suck. Because they're the one group you can freely bash. No need for mmo. (Coming from a white guy so its not racist.)
Are you saying that Native Americans bash whites? Because there are many white people that go to reservation, for many different reasons, and they are not hated at all. Native Americans do not think "white people suck" so where do you get your information?
My comment has nothing to do with native Americans. Go read people's history of the united States and you'll understand.
So, you think I do not know what you are trying to say. You are posting this in an article about native americans, you know that right? Plus, it think that Howard Zinn is a complete idiot and anti-American Marxist . That is my opinion of course.
I think to put things in perspective, you might try reading a book by James W Loewen, called 'Lies my teacher told me' it really helped me put things into perspective, uncomfortable reading perhaps, but i think ignoring or rewriting history is probably how so many of the present conflicts have been allowed to fester.
Forced to read that one too in college. I really felt like the US history professors in college just wanted to teach "white people are the reason everything is wrong." The point of all my posts is to say if you go through any cultures history you can find jacked up stuff. Its just that its "cool" now to shame white people while if you tried the same stunt with any other culture you would be called racist. Just my opinion....
Having a smidgen of Seneca from the early eastern "frontier", I think it would be interesting to learn the skills and customs of some of my ancestors circa 1300 to 1400 ... before smallpox took away so many of the skills and verbal history necessary to maintain the culture.
The problem, of course, is that those things were lost, perhaps forever.
Originally posted by thundercles How about everyone just go read "People's history of the united States." Then talk about how much white people suck. Because they're the one group you can freely bash. No need for mmo. (Coming from a white guy so its not racist.)
Are you saying that Native Americans bash whites? Because there are many white people that go to reservation, for many different reasons, and they are not hated at all. Native Americans do not think "white people suck" so where do you get your information?
My comment has nothing to do with native Americans. Go read people's history of the united States and you'll understand.
So, you think I do not know what you are trying to say. You are posting this in an article about native americans, you know that right? Plus, it think that Howard Zinn is a complete idiot and anti-American Marxist . That is my opinion of course.
I think to put things in perspective, you might try reading a book by James W Loewen, called 'Lies my teacher told me' it really helped me put things into perspective, uncomfortable reading perhaps, but i think ignoring or rewriting history is probably how so many of the present conflicts have been allowed to fester.
Forced to read that one too in college. I really felt like the US history professors in college just wanted to teach "white people are the reason everything is wrong." The point of all my posts is to say if you go through any cultures history you can find jacked up stuff. Its just that its "cool" now to shame white people while if you tried the same stunt with any other culture you would be called racist. Just my opinion....
Maybe your college professors were trying to teach you that people don't learn from their past mistakes, white folk included. Oh yeah, and they also refuse to be accountable for their (or their cultures) actions. You may not be responsible for things that have happened in the past, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be sympathetic, either. Problem is that we are unapologetic and, also, unforgiving. So sorry that you were "forced" to read something that disagreed with your ideals, but maybe if you had approached it with a different attitude you may have actually taken something enlightening away from it.
There is a single player game called "Never Alone" based on Iñupiat , an Alaska Native people, culture. That may help scratch the itch of the writer.
It would be hard to pull off a realistic Native American MMO that would appeal to enough people to be financially viable. A fictional world based on Native American culture and mythology might sell better, but the developer would have to walk a sometimes thin line between honoring a culture(s) and offending those that belong to that culture.
Homosapians destroyed Neanderthals, does that keep you up at night. Romans wiped out cultures setting up moden European powers, do we cry for them. Chinese killed hundreds to cement dynasties, Incas and Myans the same. Current middle east is fight wars over religious belief using genocide. Africa the same. Sympathy....the world is a harsh place outside of college walls. The best form of sympathy is to stop worrying about the past and stop what is happening in the present so that future people do not have to be sorry, but that take will and sometimes a heavy hand driven by people willing to protect the weak and poor. Ifnot your sympathy for people in the past is a hallow nod of the head abd you have learned nothing.
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All of this politically correct BS is nice and all, but it comes down to one thing: money.
If some developer believes there is money to be made producing a game to appeal to some demographic enough to make money at it, then game will be made. If not, not.
Which is why there is not a black, transgendered, nun bowling MMO either.
It is really no more complicated to listening to what the market dictates.
Sucha a request reminds me of on of The Noob comics:
I wouldn't want to play one. Sounds pretty boring.
I know the discussion has primarily revolved around how offensive and such some might view it, but I just flat out think it's a dumb idea that wouldn't be enjoyable as a game. Then again, I also think Truck Simulator is pretty stupid too, yet there are people who play that.
I would play any mmo if done well.
The native theme is not all that hidden,it has been done before just not in a MMO that i know of and definitley not that often.
I am sure everyone has heard of the Age of Empires game,it features native cultures in every rendition.
There was a game way back in which i owned and played by Interplay named Conquest of the new world.It was perhaps the game that influenced Age of Empires as Interplay went defunct at some point.It was also one of the earlier multiplayer games and one of the first that featured a native theme.Players could play 1/5 Euro races or a native race.
I remember the graphics were pretty decent for that time not far off what we have seen in Age of Empires.
A real oddity and sort of unrealized by many is that the Mithra race inside of FFXI actually leans towards a native life.They were into BOW's not guns or spears and they enjoyed Fishing.Their outfits look like native wear and their leaders were called a tribal Chieftainess.However truth is FFXI took most of it's ideas from mythology and Mithras were more a Persian deity that is argued to be the early form of Christianity,so i guess Square just sort of gave them a Native look and a Native theme within FFXI.
Tecumseh is an extremely famous name in history,so yes it is hard to believe we don't see more on the native culture in games. Tecumseh Lies here is a game developed by students in Windsor Ontario and ARG "alternate Reality game".
Upper One game developer.This company will go down in the history books,it is a collaboration between a former Activision big shot and the Native people of Alaska.Their goal is to educate people through a learning game while still trying to keep it fun.They were tired of the stereotypes "usually bad ones",so their goal is to produce more facts in their games.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Minor niggle. India is a sub-continent inhabited by c. 1.25 billion people. Very varied culture (multiple waves of invaders / settlers over millennia; British Raj); birth place of two of the worlds major religions as well as a third significant one; and contains some of the world's great architectural buildings.
As far as "native American Indians" go as you say they are not a "homogenous" group. They were not all the same. Some were "farmer types"; some "invader types" - some responsible for the slaughter of other American indian tribes - reinforcing the message: not all the same. (In other words no different to what happened in Europe, Asia, Africa, South America etc.).
As for the concept of a "North American mmo" I don't agree. I don't feel it would offer enough source material. True, imo, of other "single" cultures. That said:
A Tale in the Desert is based on a single culture - Ancient Egypt - which might come close to what such an mmo might look like - heavy influence on crafting, trading, building, social challenges etc.
I don't see the appeal of a racial MMO. It would be quite boring. Almost all MMOs feature multiple races which works quite well. You get to experience multiple cultures whether if it's fantasy or reality.
I wouldn't want to play an Arabic or African MMO, which focuses solely on their culture.
Originally posted by laokoko
"if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
Are you saying that Native Americans bash whites? Because there are many white people that go to reservation, for many different reasons, and they are not hated at all. Native Americans do not think "white people suck" so where do you get your information?
Originally posted by laokoko
"if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
This is one of the issues with the MMO genre...
There is simply not enough cultural diversity in gaming which leads us only with the same roles with the same type of characters. We are heavily missing the following from the selection screen:
African Americans
Native Americans
Puerto-Ricans
And others in roles which do not involve them being criminals, being the first killed, strongly misrepresented or being second fiddle or completely absent all together.
I would be supportive of a Native American MMO. There was a RPG on Steam that was very supportive of Alaskan lore called Never Alone which the developers really did do their research. The only problem would be that the developers would not only have to know about the culture besides the hollywood invasion of it but accurately portray it as well as the lore depending on the genre of the game. Also, tread carefully when representing different ethnicities in games. The closer it is the more offensive it can be if there are things that are questionable or down-right deogratory. I'm not talking about elements in a MMO or silly stuff, i'm talking about some potrayls in Hollywood that have been hiding behind the "Freedom of Speech" curtain to purposely portray certain ethnicities in a bad light with a propaganda machine behind it.
If there's going to be MMO's about the original people of North America then there might as well be donations set up to help those very people that are still on lands that they've been subjected to since the invasion. That's one way this could get positively started. Just as we have the rallies for donation for kids I don't see much of a problem having something similar set for the actual descendants of Native American tribes just like we have Child's Play.
Our world is filled with many different people from all walks of life. It's time to stop making game exclusively un-diverse with the same male-female roles and absent of other ethnicities. We have too many walks of life from EU and NA to continue this type of exclusiveness. It's 2015 yet the MMO industry still acts as if only young-30 year old male and now female are the only audience to these games.
Again, MMO's that do not involve other ethnicities being criminals, brain-dead, the first ones to die or second-fiddle in the overall story-line or lore.
Game developers need to wake up and realise their audience is more than just one group of players. It's multitudes. This also needs to be shown in the hiring process for Gaming, Programming and IT in general.
I keep seeing advocation for different ideals and viewpoints but hardly do I see such effort when it comes to different ethnicities. Its a state of reality that is in dire need of changing. If I see different ethnicities in the real world, why are they almost invisible in MMOs? How long will ignorant companies use the excuse of "it won't sell"?
That's because people always feel guilt due to their ancestors. It's the same way people view Africa as a 3rd world poverty-stricken continent, which isn't true in the majority of the continent. Africa is actually quite modern, as is India and China, but people in the west see them through stereotypes and pity. It's really not about others, but only themselves and their conscience.
This is based upon selective picking from the media. When the average person sees Africa they are only taught the following:
Enslaved
Poor
3rd World
Criminal
Yes, there are parts in Africa that are such just like any population in any country that has its problems but this is due to opression from higher-ups and politics. What has been absent as mentioned is that Africa is also a modern country as well. This is what the propaganda machine doesn't want people to know which, quiet frankly, is intolerance, censorship, nationalism and or racism. There are modern buildings and technology in Africa not just mud-huts and poverty-stricken cities. Sadly they won't show these areas and only pick the worst-looking ones for display to remind people of a race of how 'poor' or 'ignorant' they are.
http://hyperallergic.com/189211/africas-overlooked-modernist-architecture-from-an-era-of-independence/ *these are the areas that they will never show in western news stations*
Particularly, western country has been taught that other culturals, especially those with rural-like influence are "3rd world". When you see someone of a darker descendant next to a drum, it is taught to be looked down upon. What I find sad is those from these countries can't even celebrate their own culture without envy and jealousy. Sometimes it is simply cultural and a different way of life. If a woman wants to put tatoos or dress colorful on her face what business is it for others to tell her what she may or may not wear?
Are you saying that Native Americans bash whites? Because there are many white people that go to reservation, for many different reasons, and they are not hated at all. Native Americans do not think "white people suck" so where do you get your information?
My comment has nothing to do with native Americans. Go read people's history of the united States and you'll understand.So, you think I do not know what you are trying to say. You are posting this in an article about native americans, you know that right? Plus, it think that Howard Zinn is a complete idiot and anti-American Marxist . That is my opinion of course.
Originally posted by laokoko
"if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
Very true and well said by all. I recently saw a movie on Netflix called: America: Imagine a world without her. It was very eye opening...
"Native American"
So...who were they? They weren't the "Indians". We had Northman before then.
Stupid concept made by stupid people.
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
I think to put things in perspective, you might try reading a book by James W Loewen, called 'Lies my teacher told me' it really helped me put things into perspective, uncomfortable reading perhaps, but i think ignoring or rewriting history is probably how so many of the present conflicts have been allowed to fester.
You mean a game concept similar to this one that I posted about awhile back... ie. Clan of the Cave Bear
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/379922
Here's a further comment re this type of idea in another thread:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/6485372#6485372
"Everyone starts out as a savage(think Broud in the beginning of the story) and slowly learns how to not only survive against the harsh reality of the environment but also with the different societies you come across as you travel the world searching for your own place in the world.
You learn crafts/trades from the peoples you come across, including specialty type things like fine leatherwork, weaving, basketweaving, carpentry, stonework, metalwork, tattooing, cooking, hunting methods(new weapons learned, sling, bow, dagger, axe etc), cooking and alchemy(new recipes learned and the ability to process new materials), the list could go on forever.
Once you find a place you want to settle and begin your own tribe, a new world of festivals and mass hunts etc will open up along with housing(only tents for shelter while traveling). Pvp could even find a good place here as tribes could battle for certain rights/privileges. The festivals would be the only time you can trade with other tribes or have members from them join yours, there would be group hunts for large beasts(mammoth, whales, etc) and competitions among the different crafts/trades etc. with ingame achievements/prizes awarded for those who complete them. Anyway, you get the gist of it."
I'd love a native american themed mmorpg or even better a prehistoric (stone age) one.
In either case the setting would be perfect for an all out realistic sandbox experience with gathering, crafting, survival, clan and territorial warfare in a vast landmark free world etc - which is the type of game I've been dreaming of for years.
The advantage of prehistoric over native american is the absence of cultural indentification - we all have homo sapien ancestors so the setting would surely appeal to more people.
On the other hand native american culture has a heavy dose of mysticism and shamanic "magic" associated with it so that could be interesting too.
Are you saying that Native Americans bash whites? Because there are many white people that go to reservation, for many different reasons, and they are not hated at all. Native Americans do not think "white people suck" so where do you get your information?
My comment has nothing to do with native Americans. Go read people's history of the united States and you'll understand.So, you think I do not know what you are trying to say. You are posting this in an article about native americans, you know that right? Plus, it think that Howard Zinn is a complete idiot and anti-American Marxist . That is my opinion of course.
I think to put things in perspective, you might try reading a book by James W Loewen, called 'Lies my teacher told me' it really helped me put things into perspective, uncomfortable reading perhaps, but i think ignoring or rewriting history is probably how so many of the present conflicts have been allowed to fester.
Forced to read that one too in college. I really felt like the US history professors in college just wanted to teach "white people are the reason everything is wrong." The point of all my posts is to say if you go through any cultures history you can find jacked up stuff. Its just that its "cool" now to shame white people while if you tried the same stunt with any other culture you would be called racist. Just my opinion....Having a smidgen of Seneca from the early eastern "frontier", I think it would be interesting to learn the skills and customs of some of my ancestors circa 1300 to 1400 ... before smallpox took away so many of the skills and verbal history necessary to maintain the culture.
The problem, of course, is that those things were lost, perhaps forever.
Maybe your college professors were trying to teach you that people don't learn from their past mistakes, white folk included. Oh yeah, and they also refuse to be accountable for their (or their cultures) actions. You may not be responsible for things that have happened in the past, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be sympathetic, either. Problem is that we are unapologetic and, also, unforgiving. So sorry that you were "forced" to read something that disagreed with your ideals, but maybe if you had approached it with a different attitude you may have actually taken something enlightening away from it.
Oh and, yes, I'm white.
Crazkanuk
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There is a single player game called "Never Alone" based on Iñupiat , an Alaska Native people, culture. That may help scratch the itch of the writer.
It would be hard to pull off a realistic Native American MMO that would appeal to enough people to be financially viable. A fictional world based on Native American culture and mythology might sell better, but the developer would have to walk a sometimes thin line between honoring a culture(s) and offending those that belong to that culture.