To me a great rpg always allows me to create who I play, not someone predetermined like Geralt.
So there isn't a single Final Fantasy game that is a great RPG? I get that it's better to have some choice into your avatar, but that is not necessarily the hallmark of a great RPG.
No not a hallmark, but as I stated, it sure makes it great.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
I'd love to give my opinion, but the terrible, clunky, cheap and shallow combat system for TW3 ruined the entire game.
World 3x larger than Skryim? Who cares, when the movement, combat, AI systems sucks.
Great story? Who cares, when the movement, combat, AI system sucks.
Great quests? Who cares, when the movement, AI combat system sucks.
I'd love to play TW3, I really would, but the terrible movement, combat, AI system derails every positive thing you can say about this game. At the heart of everything that you do in TW3, movement, combat, AI system is there. The hilarious thing is listening to people defend it - "Oh, its not 'that' bad", "Its 'OK' once you get used to it". It absolutely floors me that the creators of the TW3 spent so much time on content, so much time on everything, but just ignores the fundamental principle of every RPG to hit the market.
Compare Skyrim to TW3? You people make me laugh.
LOL - you seriously just made a post bashing The Witcher combat, movement and AI as though it's so bad you can't even bother to play the game, in comparison to Skyrim. SKYRIM!! An rpg widely heralded as having some of the most atrocious combat ever in an rpg, just like all the Elder Scrolls games. Now THAT is funny. Me thinks you really don't have any problem with the Witcher 3 combat, you just have a problem with another game getting such high praise as opposed to your beloved and precious Skyrim so you found whatever you could to make a post about to make the game look bad. Doubt you've even played the game.
I'd love to give my opinion, but the terrible, clunky, cheap and shallow combat system for TW3 ruined the entire game.
World 3x larger than Skryim? Who cares, when the movement, combat, AI systems sucks.
Great story? Who cares, when the movement, combat, AI system sucks.
Great quests? Who cares, when the movement, AI combat system sucks.
I'd love to play TW3, I really would, but the terrible movement, combat, AI system derails every positive thing you can say about this game. At the heart of everything that you do in TW3, movement, combat, AI system is there. The hilarious thing is listening to people defend it - "Oh, its not 'that' bad", "Its 'OK' once you get used to it". It absolutely floors me that the creators of the TW3 spent so much time on content, so much time on everything, but just ignores the fundamental principle of every RPG to hit the market.
Compare Skyrim to TW3? You people make me laugh.
LOL - you seriously just made a post bashing The Witcher combat, movement and AI as though it's so bad you can't even bother to play the game, in comparison to Skyrim. SKYRIM!! An rpg widely heralded as having some of the most atrocious combat ever in an rpg, just like all the Elder Scrolls games. Now THAT is funny. Me thinks you really don't have any problem with the Witcher 3 combat, you just have a problem with another game getting such high praise as opposed to your beloved and precious Skyrim so you found whatever you could to make a post about to make the game look bad. Doubt you've even played the game.
The combat isn't that good in the Witcher 3 compared to other action rpg combat games like Darksouls and Dragons Dogma. I agree with him that it is not very solid and they could have done better. I am playing it and enjoying it though!
I'm not sure where you got the "An rpg widely heralded as having some of the most atrocious combat ever in an rpg, just like all the Elder Scrolls games." The Elder Scrolls games are a classic just as the Witcher series. Owning Witcher 1 and 2 I couldn't even finish them because of the combat systems, but that's just me. I wouldn't call the combat systems of either games "atrocious", but both could use work.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Witcher 3 is a good game, i don't think anyone can really argue against that, but its a console game, and it was designed as a console game primarily, that the PC port is a very good one, doesn't really obviate that, its a shame in one way, because it would have been a lot better if it had been designed for PC primarily, instead of the reality that meant a few things didn't make it into the game, or the graphics not being quite as good as initially advertised, because sadly, the console market is where this game was designed for, and with those limitations, sure, they did a great job, but, it could have been better. Should have been better.
The game will do really well, and there will be people who compare it to Skyrim, and no doubt also to DA;I, but Skyrim didn't become such a 'classic' because of the storyline, which was forgettable honestly, but because Skyrim is a heavily modded game, i would even go so far as to say that some of those mods out there probably drove game sales higher. And this is where the games diverge, Skyrim is not really about the storyline, its open world, and it is heavily modable, Witcher 3 and DA;I for instance, despite their sizes, and whether or not they have a valid claim to being open world or not, are storyline driven games. In that sense, it is like comparing apples to oranges to bananas, 2 of them are similiar in that they are round, and the other is a banana
I'd love to give my opinion, but the terrible, clunky, cheap and shallow combat system for TW3 ruined the entire game.
World 3x larger than Skryim? Who cares, when the movement, combat, AI systems sucks.
Great story? Who cares, when the movement, combat, AI system sucks.
Great quests? Who cares, when the movement, AI combat system sucks.
I'd love to play TW3, I really would, but the terrible movement, combat, AI system derails every positive thing you can say about this game. At the heart of everything that you do in TW3, movement, combat, AI system is there. The hilarious thing is listening to people defend it - "Oh, its not 'that' bad", "Its 'OK' once you get used to it". It absolutely floors me that the creators of the TW3 spent so much time on content, so much time on everything, but just ignores the fundamental principle of every RPG to hit the market.
Compare Skyrim to TW3? You people make me laugh.
LOL - you seriously just made a post bashing The Witcher combat, movement and AI as though it's so bad you can't even bother to play the game, in comparison to Skyrim. SKYRIM!! An rpg widely heralded as having some of the most atrocious combat ever in an rpg, just like all the Elder Scrolls games. Now THAT is funny. Me thinks you really don't have any problem with the Witcher 3 combat, you just have a problem with another game getting such high praise as opposed to your beloved and precious Skyrim so you found whatever you could to make a post about to make the game look bad. Doubt you've even played the game.
Widely heralded until TW3 came along. Grats on reinforcing my complaint.
Laughable. First off.. this is how you KNOW Skyrim is one of the greatest RPG video games ever made.. with all the modding and such making it that much better, people still compare a game that came out in 2011 to almost every single RPG that comes out after. Guess what that means.. Skyrim is the standard for all future RPG games, especially those in the "Open World" bracket. Just like WoW will forever be the standard for MMOs because it too set a standard over a decade ago.
TW3 is more like DS than Skyrim. Yes true its open world, but its an open world action game.. sort of like Dark Souls IMO. I will be playing TW3 of course but not because it reminds me of Skyrim. I do understand the need to compare things though but nah.
Also read that Witcher's new game has a world that is 3 times the size of skyrim, and 30 times the size of Witcher 2 and 1 combined. Impressive -IF- its true. Still... no custom character running through this world, so automatic point deduction there for me.
Although you never know they could pull a GTA move and do The Witcher Online as DLC later on..
Let me quote myself and break my statement down from May 11, since some here are trying to discredit what I wrote, but have very low reading comprehension skills.
FYI: This thread was created before this website did a review on TW3 so this is all my Opinion and based off a private demo/beta version I had played beforehand.
First Paragraph: "Laughable" I still stand by this. Its laughable to ME to compare the Witcher 3 and Skyrim. They are not comparable, two different things to ME. I can say this more confidently after playing the complete TW3 game. Both are very good but one came out in 2011 so it stands the test of time, which in MY book makes it a great game and one of the best RPGs ever made. I pointed out that every RPG that comes out (Mainly Open World) is compared to Skyrim from 2011. (Its true read the first reviews of Dragon Age: Inquisition and see people compare it to Skyrim) That's what I meant by "Skyrim set the standard" . I didnt go into super detail about how exactly modding makes the game better or try to defend the vanilla state of the game etc.. that's your word "fanboyism" or whatever you wanna call it. I was just stating my opinion of the game I had played and enjoyed.
Everything else I wrote is self explained but just in case.. I was also saying that DS is closer to TW3 in comparison than Skyrim. There's a little bit in there about how big the game world is, then it ends on a high note about Multiplayer DLC.
I don't see the fanboy part here but okay.. I guess anytime you praise something or like something on this website even a little bit, you are an automatic "fanboy".. that's a term that needs to die tbh.
I don't even want to address the snarky passive aggressive comments towards my girlfriend, but understand I have no reason to lie to any of you. FYI: @p4ttythep3rf3c ;The only reason I brought her up was because she is the reason I was invited to play a beta build of TW3. Somebody made a snarky remark about me not playing at the time I shared my insight. I don't know you and I don't care if you like me or believe me. My opinion still stands. If it bothers you that much idk what to tell you.
EDIT: Never Once did I say Skyrim is better or TW3 is better. I like and play both.
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So you say you "play both" but your bias (my opinion) "review" is based off a "private" beta? I'm curious how did you gain access to this "private" beta?
Originally posted by Tasslehoff35 So you say you "play both" but your bias (my opinion) "review" is based off a "private" beta? I'm curious how did you gain access to this "private" beta?
I went to the CD PROJEKT RED TOUR in poland along with several other youtubers.
"Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change your beliefs."
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
Originally posted by goozmania I find this whole discussion quite funny, as I find Skyrim to be the single most boring and terrible RPG I've ever tried. It sits on my PC with only 2 hours played, and I can't be bothered to ever load it up again.
And yet I have 1,179 hours in skyrim and still playing it. (and another poster on this site has about twice that)
What more funny is how so many people like/hate so many different things!
1,179 hours and from reading your posts it seems you play every mmo in existence, dude get a life
lol, no worries there I have a great and fun life. Write music, play classical guitar, attend tons of concerts and a bit of traveling. It helps that I don't have or want a family and most of my income is "disposable" so to speak.
It's true I "try" every mmo out there. but "play"? As in earnestly playing to cap and taking advantage of the game? No not at all. I would say I've only "played" two mmo's, Lineage 2 and Lord of the Rings Online.
I've dabble in a lot of mmo's however, they really aren't that great. Yet I'm fascinated with mmo's, more so the whole idea of a shared world and therefore a somewhat shared experience.
As far as Skyrim goes "yeah, I have over 1,179 hours but if you really look at it, as far as "gaming goes' I've been playing it off and on since launch. so what's that 4 years? off an on.
Skyrim (and really morrowind and oblvion) hits me in the "sweet spot" as to what I want and how I want my rpg's to play. I really just prefer exploring and getting into trouble. Those games really speak to me as far as what I am looking for in a game. Story games are great but then I finish them, maybe with a once or twice more play through and then that's it.
I've put Witcher on hold until this weekend because I'm writing a musical (both book and music) and realized that a game like the witcher was going to take up chunks of time. So I can't speak more about whether or not I find it replayable. "maybe".
My point was that I LOVE Skyrim and Morrowind and even Oblvion and I can easily spend several hours per week just wandering around or making new characters and playing them differently. They really are special games. Yet there are people who have erased them within 15 minutes of starting the games (I have a friend who took skyrim off after about that time. Hated the open world "do what you want" thing.
As I said, I don't have much more Witcher experience other than I got out of the first area, Yennefer walked through her portal and then I realized I needed to put the game down and do other things. I suspect it doesn't have the same type of exploration as one of Bethesda's games but I'd be willing to be pleasantly surprised.
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No not a hallmark, but as I stated, it sure makes it great.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
LOL - you seriously just made a post bashing The Witcher combat, movement and AI as though it's so bad you can't even bother to play the game, in comparison to Skyrim. SKYRIM!! An rpg widely heralded as having some of the most atrocious combat ever in an rpg, just like all the Elder Scrolls games. Now THAT is funny. Me thinks you really don't have any problem with the Witcher 3 combat, you just have a problem with another game getting such high praise as opposed to your beloved and precious Skyrim so you found whatever you could to make a post about to make the game look bad. Doubt you've even played the game.
The combat isn't that good in the Witcher 3 compared to other action rpg combat games like Darksouls and Dragons Dogma. I agree with him that it is not very solid and they could have done better. I am playing it and enjoying it though!
I'm not sure where you got the "An rpg widely heralded as having some of the most atrocious combat ever in an rpg, just like all the Elder Scrolls games." The Elder Scrolls games are a classic just as the Witcher series. Owning Witcher 1 and 2 I couldn't even finish them because of the combat systems, but that's just me. I wouldn't call the combat systems of either games "atrocious", but both could use work.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Witcher 3 is a good game, i don't think anyone can really argue against that, but its a console game, and it was designed as a console game primarily, that the PC port is a very good one, doesn't really obviate that, its a shame in one way, because it would have been a lot better if it had been designed for PC primarily, instead of the reality that meant a few things didn't make it into the game, or the graphics not being quite as good as initially advertised, because sadly, the console market is where this game was designed for, and with those limitations, sure, they did a great job, but, it could have been better. Should have been better.
The game will do really well, and there will be people who compare it to Skyrim, and no doubt also to DA;I, but Skyrim didn't become such a 'classic' because of the storyline, which was forgettable honestly, but because Skyrim is a heavily modded game, i would even go so far as to say that some of those mods out there probably drove game sales higher. And this is where the games diverge, Skyrim is not really about the storyline, its open world, and it is heavily modable, Witcher 3 and DA;I for instance, despite their sizes, and whether or not they have a valid claim to being open world or not, are storyline driven games. In that sense, it is like comparing apples to oranges to bananas, 2 of them are similiar in that they are round, and the other is a banana
55 HOURS and still love this HUGE OPEN WORLD RPG.
Best 50 bucks ive spent in years.
9.5/10
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100% sure he have not internet is full this kind of people sadly.
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Let me quote myself and break my statement down from May 11, since some here are trying to discredit what I wrote, but have very low reading comprehension skills.
FYI: This thread was created before this website did a review on TW3 so this is all my Opinion and based off a private demo/beta version I had played beforehand.
First Paragraph: "Laughable" I still stand by this. Its laughable to ME to compare the Witcher 3 and Skyrim. They are not comparable, two different things to ME. I can say this more confidently after playing the complete TW3 game. Both are very good but one came out in 2011 so it stands the test of time, which in MY book makes it a great game and one of the best RPGs ever made. I pointed out that every RPG that comes out (Mainly Open World) is compared to Skyrim from 2011. (Its true read the first reviews of Dragon Age: Inquisition and see people compare it to Skyrim) That's what I meant by "Skyrim set the standard" . I didnt go into super detail about how exactly modding makes the game better or try to defend the vanilla state of the game etc.. that's your word "fanboyism" or whatever you wanna call it. I was just stating my opinion of the game I had played and enjoyed.
Everything else I wrote is self explained but just in case.. I was also saying that DS is closer to TW3 in comparison than Skyrim. There's a little bit in there about how big the game world is, then it ends on a high note about Multiplayer DLC.
I don't see the fanboy part here but okay.. I guess anytime you praise something or like something on this website even a little bit, you are an automatic "fanboy".. that's a term that needs to die tbh.
I don't even want to address the snarky passive aggressive comments towards my girlfriend, but understand I have no reason to lie to any of you. FYI: @p4ttythep3rf3c ;The only reason I brought her up was because she is the reason I was invited to play a beta build of TW3. Somebody made a snarky remark about me not playing at the time I shared my insight. I don't know you and I don't care if you like me or believe me. My opinion still stands. If it bothers you that much idk what to tell you.
EDIT: Never Once did I say Skyrim is better or TW3 is better. I like and play both.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
both are games. let them compare what they want.
whoever thinks the witcher 3 is skyrim tho, is of cors wrong :P
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I went to the CD PROJEKT RED TOUR in poland along with several other youtubers.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
Sounds like if people would compare DoD with Arma.
Skyrim and Fallout lives from modifications, without them its only half as good.
I.e. transport, weather effects, awesome survival modes, clothing, player houses, gameplay changes ....so many
lol, no worries there I have a great and fun life. Write music, play classical guitar, attend tons of concerts and a bit of traveling. It helps that I don't have or want a family and most of my income is "disposable" so to speak.
It's true I "try" every mmo out there. but "play"? As in earnestly playing to cap and taking advantage of the game? No not at all. I would say I've only "played" two mmo's, Lineage 2 and Lord of the Rings Online.
I've dabble in a lot of mmo's however, they really aren't that great. Yet I'm fascinated with mmo's, more so the whole idea of a shared world and therefore a somewhat shared experience.
As far as Skyrim goes "yeah, I have over 1,179 hours but if you really look at it, as far as "gaming goes' I've been playing it off and on since launch. so what's that 4 years? off an on.
Skyrim (and really morrowind and oblvion) hits me in the "sweet spot" as to what I want and how I want my rpg's to play. I really just prefer exploring and getting into trouble. Those games really speak to me as far as what I am looking for in a game. Story games are great but then I finish them, maybe with a once or twice more play through and then that's it.
I've put Witcher on hold until this weekend because I'm writing a musical (both book and music) and realized that a game like the witcher was going to take up chunks of time. So I can't speak more about whether or not I find it replayable. "maybe".
My point was that I LOVE Skyrim and Morrowind and even Oblvion and I can easily spend several hours per week just wandering around or making new characters and playing them differently. They really are special games. Yet there are people who have erased them within 15 minutes of starting the games (I have a friend who took skyrim off after about that time. Hated the open world "do what you want" thing.
As I said, I don't have much more Witcher experience other than I got out of the first area, Yennefer walked through her portal and then I realized I needed to put the game down and do other things. I suspect it doesn't have the same type of exploration as one of Bethesda's games but I'd be willing to be pleasantly surprised.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I played Skyrim 2800+ hours and even still play it because of mods(with out i prolly would stop after 100 hours.
The Witcher 3 i have played so far 125 hours 45% complete lvl 26 and still love the game.
I hope many mods will be made for this game when REDkit comes.
I just move on im not some blind fanboi stuck with one game. Enjoyed Skyrim alot and now The Witcher 3.
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
MB:Asus V De Luxe z77
CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k
GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now))
MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB
PSU:Corsair AX1200i
OS:Windows 10 64bit