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You can trust Yoshi! He is building a mmo for FF fans.
Hefaistos
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1: you cant play ffxiv 3.0 (Heavensward) before you go to FFXIV 2.0, Vanilla (lol).
2: Subscription: they can make imo more money if they add all the average stupid store items/boxes you have in almost all mmo f2p. See Archage, Swtor.
3: I have a feeling he is already planning FF 4.0 by now...at least some info, on papers.
4: The game itself its amazing, gfx, etc.
Is it worth giving a try? Yes, yes, yes....just make sure you bring some patience to go trough everything in the game. The ammount of content you need to do...is insane.
Why am i making this post? Is this post needed? Not sure, thou...but from time to time, people need to be reminded...there is a mmo on the market...that is delivering...without a p2w store....without cosmetic gear from store, boxes, etc.
FFXIV its a PvE game that will last for more then you can count. Points @ WOW
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yeah is the OP crazy... there is heaps of items in the cash shop
https://secure.square-enix.com/account/app/svc/ffxivshopitemshop
Think he was referring to gamble boxes. Where you attempt to get that shiny hat/costume you want. All items in their cash shop are straight pay for what you get type deals.
He puts up with Mario all the time.
This can be said for most threads about anything on a site about games, though.
Not sure if you read the original post. That said, the cash shop is mainly of $1-3 items and a single mount at the moment (the last time I looked). With the producer director pledging that its funds would be put back into the game in the form of new servers for housing and the like.
People aren't able to access that without an account.You don't skip from disc one on an RPG all the way to disc three just because it's the new and shiny. Granted, if it's an issue for you, it's an issue for you. But that's RPGs in general, and even how WoW works despite it now selling level 90 characters for $60 on the store. Used to be you had to level to the expansion content to play it, because it was at that level. With a game that focuses on story, you have to do that story before you get to the next story and skip the spoilers. They are doubling the experience gained and handing out high item levels like candy when the expansion comes out to facilitate getting to the new content (not to mention nerfs to difficulty and queue times no longer being an issue for old story content).
not sure if you read the first post, but no mention was said about expense of items or anything like that... exactly what was said by the op was
"Why am i making this post? Is this post needed? Not sure, thou...but from time to time, people need to be reminded...there is a mmo on the market...that is delivering...without a p2w store....without cosmetic gear from store, boxes, etc"
"Without cosmetic gear from store, boxes, etc..."
that point is incorrect, because there is very much a cosmetic store.
I believe a more accurate title would be:
You can trust Yoshi! He is building World of Warcraft with an FF skin for FF fans.
Considering FF fans have been putting up with some really bad games, it makes sense. Just throw in a random cameo and they'll be happy.
Does FFXIV have a right-clck to report yet?
It's such a joke to catch up to 2.55 that I actually don't want people that complain about it to play the same game as me.
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It's the way of things these days Yaev. If it were a single player RPG such a thing wouldn't be a problem, but because so much content requires group work now the only way it isn't a problem is to either nerf the content into the ground, making it boring to even bother with, or allow people to skip it so they can keep up with the rest of the players on even footing.
It would be great if things worked differently with human behavior, but I've seen this happen far too many times to just ignore something like this. Part of playing an MMO is to have comradery with the community of the game, yet what really happens is a segregation of devoted end game players and groups of content stragglers trying to scrape by just to catch up and see all the cool things the devoted are getting to see. It's important to keep the hurdle as low as possible for new comers so they can also enjoy the finer things.
I believe there is a disconnect between intent and articulation. You make the presumption that I am referring to the comment regarding cosmetic items, when that was not the main point of the thread or my writing. It was something that was merely taken out of context and focused on a faux pas rather than the topic at hand. Though your own misunderstanding of intent is my fault as the writer, just as a little slip was the OPs (though honestly, I would have still included "cosmetic items" in his closing -statement- as well, as it was a general statement that was supported by a theory of which he sarcastically brought forth some evidence; the discussion was already made prior to the closing statement). Truly, my mindset is currently in an area where one deciphers meaning and intent rather than frivolities and rhetoric (or mistakenly emphasizing a closing statement or general feeling / opinion as opposed to the true body of the thread. He also referred to a market -- greater than the whole of a game -- in his closing opinions, if we really want to quote it rather than the sum of the whole).
But that's the state of the internet, I suppose. Both derailing and forgetting about the core topic at hand; it is something I indulge in frequently myself.
Admittedly, this makes for some pretty assumptions of my own as it may be with the thought that people already had some remedial understanding of Final Fantasy XIV and that they have a Mog Station. In this light, having more information and context is fair, and I fully admit that despite my mindset at the time. Though I always attempt to try and give people the benefit of the doubt that they actually know about a game before partaking in a discussion. This may also be a poor thought process on the forums, especially when I treat many things as debates rather than sources of information; sources of information I typically consider posts that are columns and not people arguing back and forth as is the norm on this site.
all that bloat to say, i wasnt talking about the OP's post, but pointing out that the cash shop has items that range from $1 - $3 and a mount... you misunderstood what i was saying..
yes i did, it makes the point of you correcting the original poster you replied to no less valid....
he said that there was a cash shop infact to do with ffxiv, when the OP of the thread said there was not. That's all
Jesus!!! its a crappy cash shop not with P2Win Items in it!!!! How do you win the game with a black mount or a onion helmet?
As long as you like fantasy genre and fighting all types of wierdo monsters....you will like it.
you said in your original post
"Why am i making this post? Is this post needed? Not sure, thou...but from time to time, people need to be reminded...there is a mmo on the market...that is delivering...without a p2w store....without cosmetic gear from store, boxes, etc"
"Without cosmetic gear from store, boxes, etc..."
clearly it has a store with clear cosmetic items in it, thats the only point i'm contesting.. dont spread misinformation
- It's a sub based MMORPG with 2 sub options, 1 being slightly cheaper but also restricts you to 1 character per server which isnt a problem because you can have all jobs on 1 character (I actually just got my last job to 50 today, so i now have all jobs at 50)
- It does include a cash shop with cosmetic items
I would suggest actually playing the game before spouting off this WoW-clone nonsense. They look, feel, and play nothing alike, aside from having quests and dungeon queues.
I'm unsure of what you're saying here. Your statement was with regards to me being unsure of the person I responded to actually read the thread. In my response to you, I was quite clear that I was speaking of the OP (or did you mean the poster I responded to? You specifically made mention to him later on, so I assumed "op" by itself means the original poster... of which I am confused, as my post was clearly talking about him) and explained why I was uncertain if said person read it. It was a case of differing mindsets that you jumped in on as a third party; my valuing meaning and critical thought versus what is essentially a knit pick for the sake of providing information that I believed was common knowledge.
Allow me to ask a question when it comes to your writing -- and this is no way makes me think your thoughts or opinions are invalid, but rather for my understanding.
Did you mean:
All that bloat to say, "I wasn't talking..."? -- For several seconds and thoughts, I assumed you were talking about yourself. It's still somewhat unclear, but I'm 95% sure that was your intent. One would think that I would simply assume as I mention trying to look past things, but this is a matter of understanding rather than a side note.
In addition, I'm not sure what you mean in the following sentence. It may be a case of my mindset (I've been peer reviewing a lot of things today) in reading well written documents the past week, but did you mean that the post I responded to has a point to make even if it ignores everything else? If that's the case, I've concurred with your sentiment twice now. Though only if we agree it's essentially an aside (or footnote) comment with no relevance to the discussion at hand other than making sure the reader is entirely informed. Which what I was confused about, mainly because I wasn't thinking of where I was typing and have made similar comments via email and skype lately.
Again, I'm asking for clarity; I write on the forums in much different ways than I do in settings where perfection is key. Free form and without care. Many times I have been told that I'm just trying to be a jerk when it comes to grammar and trying to understand something (especially if it isn't a person's primary language, of which being an amateur linguist myself, I know is an impressive feat), but I am far from perfect from that on forums myself and believe that going after that takes away some credibility in discussion. Everything you say, and the opinions you have, are important in their own way.
In final note, I'll likely respond to any further discussion via messages, with your permission (not saying don't post here -- feel free to, I'll just respond in messages with regards to this). This has turned into a discussion of itself, when my original point was that external discussion on the main topic does nothing for staying on topic with the thread. While this still talks about it as a whole, it's moreso a courtesy thing for others.
You make a valid point. Though one has to be 100% correct rather than 99% for people not to make a big deal out of something. The cash shop is no where near being aggressive or "in your face" as other games. There are small things like $1 earrings, dye and a mount. The first only being there as a way to get old holiday items that no longer exist in game as those quests were only for that year. Not to mention that purchases made in there were pledged to make the game better rather than go into profits.
But one cannot argue with technicalities. A simple alteration of "aggressive cosmetic shop" or something similar would rectify it -- which is silly on the whole for anyone to make a big deal out of it, as it completely misses the point. When that thing can be edited with a single word, you know something is a bit laughable to make a big deal of.
That said, the original person that mentioned such was just making a note, rather than actually remarking on your points or disagreeing with what you were writing. This is what I didn't recognize in my haste to write to multiple people.