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[Column] General: Will Elder Scrolls Online Satisfy RPG Fans?

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129

Zenimax emailed me this week. The email was a reminder that I’d paid my $20 to unlock the PS4 version of Elder Scrolls Online and that the game would be launching next Tuesday. I had the tingle, my friends; the little flurry of excitement just before a game you’re looking forward to. Then I remembered just how divided the game’s community was at launch. It makes me wonder, will ESO on console be a hit or will it just disappoint Elder Scrolls fans who don’t know what they’re in for?

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  • Righteous_RockRighteous_Rock Member RarePosts: 1,234
    It's going to take advantage of the Elder Scrolls name, sell on the hype, then take a massive backlash from elder Scrolls fans, console folks don't read up on the games, don't understand the cash shops as much, elder Scrolls online will be there taste, it's going to be bitter. it's still a smart move for zenimax, I just think it's probably not going to meet console player blind expectations.
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    Originally posted by Righteous_Rock
    It's going to take advantage of the Elder Scrolls name, sell on the hype, then take a massive backlash from elder Scrolls fans, console folks don't read up on the games, don't understand the cash shops as much, elder Scrolls online will be there taste, it's going to be bitter. it's still a smart move for zenimax, I just think it's probably not going to meet console player blind expectations.

    I would outright agree 100%,except i imagine there will be a lot of PC players jumping in as a sort of fresh start,so they will know fully what to expect.

    I have heard nothing that would entice to me to jump in as well, notoriously i can't stand consoles and the last 3 games i bought for console reminded me why i hate console gaming.I have owned a PC since the day they became remotely popular about 30 years ago,so console gaming has never been on my radar.

    I think all that matters to ZENI is the initial sale,i think it will be popular enough to get the sales they need then i believe it will drop off quickly after only a few months.

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  • BadSpockBadSpock Member UncommonPosts: 7,979

    I'm looking for a good/decent MMO to play on my console.

    I pre-ordered ESO.

    I don't expect it will be a game I never put down and forsake all other games in favor of the mighty ESO for some time to come.

    But I do except I'll get a few solid months of enjoyment out of it as long as my friends keep playing too.

    Far too many good games coming out this fall/holiday season to be concerned about ESO being "the one" or not.

  • ReklawReklaw Member UncommonPosts: 6,495

    Think ESO might actually do alright on consoles.

    There arn't allot of MMO's on consoles so I think the pure console gamer will be less critical towards the MMO genre then the Pc or pc/console gamer.

    Just a question Christopher: how came not many players use voice chat, how do you know from outside your own gaming circle? I am not saying it aint true, just wondering how you came to that conclusion?

     

  • Lazarus71Lazarus71 Member UncommonPosts: 1,081
    I think it will do just fine on consoles. Also to the person who said console gamers don't do research and don't understand cash shops.... You realize console gamers have been getting nickel and dimmed to death forever for add-ons, DLC and other items.  They will understand just fine. They  also research games just as much as the next person. I mean most homes have a pc, smart phones and tablets not to mention the consoles them selves have browsers.

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  • HarikenHariken Member EpicPosts: 2,680
    I just think back to when Morrorwind Launched on xbox. All they did was complain how hard things were in that game. So after that we got fast travel and mounts plus level scaling. Zenimax will bend over for the console players.
  • Righteous_RockRighteous_Rock Member RarePosts: 1,234
    Lazarus, you're back alright man high five, yes dlc is nickel and dime, but it's upfront one and done, that's not what eso is, it's heavy up front and if you want more here's the cash shop, basically your paying for the cash shop interface. Most folks I play with on console don't know much about the game unless I tell them, they like to play them once in a while, but they are not reading about them.
  • immodiumimmodium Member RarePosts: 2,610
    Originally posted by Righteous_Rock
    Lazarus, you're back alright man high five, yes dlc is nickel and dime, but it's upfront one and done, that's not what eso is, it's heavy up front and if you want more here's the cash shop, basically your paying for the cash shop interface. Most folks I play with on console don't know much about the game unless I tell them, they like to play them once in a while, but they are not reading about them.

    Feel sorry for those folks and how misinformed they'll be.

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  • muppetpilotmuppetpilot Member UncommonPosts: 171
    Originally posted by BadSpock

    I'm looking for a good/decent MMO to play on my console.

    I pre-ordered ESO.

    I don't expect it will be a game I never put down and forsake all other games in favor of the mighty ESO for some time to come.

    But I do except I'll get a few solid months of enjoyment out of it as long as my friends keep playing too.

    Far too many good games coming out this fall/holiday season to be concerned about ESO being "the one" or not.

     

    ^ I agree 100% with you.  It'll be good enough for plenty of folks to get several months of entertainment out of, and honestly in this day and age, and with the generally poor state of MMOs right now, can you really ask for more than that?

     

    Totally right about legions of people worried about ESO being the best thing since air conditioning.  If it were really "the one", it would still be a subscription model (for PC ofc).  And imho, it would be nigh impossible to call any ESO game "the one" unless it included a massive, sprawling Imperial City lol.

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  • MissAdventureMissAdventure Member UncommonPosts: 83

    I think it will be the same as the PC launch.  The relevant forums will be lit up like the 4th of July in flame wars.  All the the purist Elder Scrolls people will get their panties in a bunch just like ESO's first launch, and it will roll out from there.

     

    ..and then it will settle down again after 2 or 3 months, and the world will continue to spin.  Just like with everything.

     

  • DreycraftDreycraft Member UncommonPosts: 107

    "It makes me wonder, will ESO be a hit or will it just disappoint Elder Scrolls fans who don't know what they're in for?"

     

    It will only disappoint morons with unrealistic expectations going into the game thinking it'll be exactly "Skyrim Online", and not what ZOS did and did extremely well, which is bring together as faithfully as possible the Elder Scrolls world into mmorpg form. Not every aspect of an Elder Scrolls game will work in a mmorpg, remember that and you will love the game.

     
  • ArskaaaArskaaa Member RarePosts: 1,265

    i stop my ESO playing today. end game is very boring and repeative. Hardly any good place to exp grinding at max level for champion points, and thouse places have many player:/ 

    And they just added horse skill trainings to cashshop:S either train 180 day horse or buy all skills with over 100e...

    No need explain how its effect pvp where u need move fast to next place, 60% max speed and new player have 0% speed...

    They should never done ESO, just focus SP elder scrolls.

  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    Originally posted by Reklaw

    Think ESO might actually do alright on consoles.

    There arn't allot of MMO's on consoles so I think the pure console gamer will be less critical towards the MMO genre then the Pc or pc/console gamer.

    Just a question Christopher: how came not many players use voice chat, how do you know from outside your own gaming circle? I am not saying it aint true, just wondering how you came to that conclusion?

     

     

    It's a known and obvious fact.  Although he only refers to it in regard to console gaming, it also holds true for PC gaming.  The majority of players do not like, or use, voice chat.  I wont bore you with details, but the reasons why not are many, varied and well known. 

  • DelCabonDelCabon Member UncommonPosts: 258

    As to the RPG question....

    ESO is the one game where I don't click through the quest dialogue and text. I just finished deciding the fate of an undead town where I was turned into a skeleton and had to make the hard choice of putting its citizens to eternal rest or letting them endure undeath. For me, ESO has done an amazing job with the voice acting and quest/story immersion. This along with the ability to realize your own class identity has made ESO a very good solo rpg within an MMO environment.

    On the flip side I am not so sure about multiplayer role playing. I play on Landroval in LOTRO and come across entire role playing guilds and large scale events all the time. Not so much in ESO. Outside of the plethora of emotes that ESO offers and some interesting costumes I don't see a lot of tools for role-playing past the story that is offered.

    As to the cash shop issue (Ad nauseam)...

    The only barrier to doing everything in ESO is buying the game. I only still sub because I keep forgetting to cancel. The cash shop is mostly cosmetic with a few boosts.  I purchased a limited edition mount with some crowns and since then I have seen no reason to buy anything. I was hoping they would add inventory upgrades but baring that I will prob cancel next month since I have more than enough crowns (I hope) for whatever DLC is up next. The 10% bonus to cash drops and exp is hardly worth the sub for a casual gamer. In fact I often myself leveled ahead of the zone's I am in.

    I really hope ESO sells a ton of console editions since clearly the lack of a sub or a more aggressive cash shop does not bode well for revenue unless of course Zenimax starts churning out new content for purchase which would be very welcome by me. 

    Del Cabon
    A US Army ('Just Cause') Vet and MMORPG Native formerly of Trinsic, Norath and Dereth. Currently playing LOTRO. 

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  • DarkswormDarksworm Member RarePosts: 1,081
    Originally posted by MisterZebub

    I predict ESO on consoles will have large initial sales followed by the same waning interest we saw with the PC version. I'm not sure why but the core game, regardless of platform, doesn't seem to have staying power.

    Between trying to balance its "Elder Scrollsness" for the fans of the IP, and its hybrid MMO mechanics for both the old school RPGer and the Twitch Based Combat MMO crowd, its seems to do a poor job pleasing either camp. After all this time ESO still feels like a game that very much doesn't know what it wants to be when it grows up.

    This, I literally played < 10 hours in the PC version.  It really felt like a massive waste of $60 because the game was boring right from the outset.

    Dull is an understatement, but I didn't get any vibe of "entertaining" from that game.

    Game is not that good to take up as much space as it needs on my PS4's hard drive.

    The funny thing is the game seems to have been designed largely for console play (controls, UI, etc.) but given how lackluster it is on PC, that's probably going to hurt it on consoles as people are likely to read reviews and see tons of negativity.

    The PC version was widely regarded as "boring" by many reviewers.

    Why play that when you can play funner RPGs like Inquisition and The Witcher 3 on next gen consoles?  At this point, many people are burnt out on MMORPGs since the communities are a lot more fickle than they used to be (so many people jump from game to game, to the "stay for your friends" is less valid of a reason to play a game than it was 10 years ago).

  • SamhaelSamhael Member RarePosts: 1,534
    This article would benefit from a professional editor. Just sayin'.
  • RoxtenRoxten Member Posts: 5
    I was expecting something like Skyrim but online but realistically speaking there:s no way they would make an mmo better than a normal single player game cause they wanna sell more Elder S ri
    olls games later on and that's where it sucks for us,Even FFXIV I think was deliberately dumbed down in graphics as to not compete with FFXV.
  • MissAdventureMissAdventure Member UncommonPosts: 83
    Originally posted by Darksworm
    Originally posted by MisterZebub

    I predict ESO on consoles will have large initial sales followed by the same waning interest we saw with the PC version. I'm not sure why but the core game, regardless of platform, doesn't seem to have staying power.

    Between trying to balance its "Elder Scrollsness" for the fans of the IP, and its hybrid MMO mechanics for both the old school RPGer and the Twitch Based Combat MMO crowd, its seems to do a poor job pleasing either camp. After all this time ESO still feels like a game that very much doesn't know what it wants to be when it grows up.

    This, I literally played < 10 hours in the PC version.  It really felt like a massive waste of $60 because the game was boring right from the outset.

    Dull is an understatement, but I didn't get any vibe of "entertaining" from that game.

    Game is not that good to take up as much space as it needs on my PS4's hard drive.

    The funny thing is the game seems to have been designed largely for console play (controls, UI, etc.) but given how lackluster it is on PC, that's probably going to hurt it on consoles as people are likely to read reviews and see tons of negativity.

    The PC version was widely regarded as "boring" by many reviewers.

    Why play that when you can play funner RPGs like Inquisition and The Witcher 3 on next gen consoles?  At this point, many people are burnt out on MMORPGs since the communities are a lot more fickle than they used to be (so many people jump from game to game, to the "stay for your friends" is less valid of a reason to play a game than it was 10 years ago).

    Ah, another Angry Joe neophyte.  Guess what, cupcake?  You can easily immerse yourself in the game for hundreds of hours and have a great time.  Many people are doing that right now.  Guess it wasn't for you.  Those 4 hours you spent must have been simply terrible

     

    At least you're not one of those fickle, game-hopping people you pointed out.

     

    I'm happy you found a game that was..funner.

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719

    This article and some of the replies made me smile because it seems like there really is a PC master race delusion.

     

    Believe it or not, there is very little to pick between PC gamers and console gamers. They are members of the same species and they go to school and work in the same places.

     

    What's going to happen when ESO releases on consoles next Tuesday? They'll be treated to a game that is one year better than what the PC gamers saw last year... so we may actually see a better behaved and more mature response from this "inferior subspecies" of gamers.

     

    Granted, if there is an Angry Joe console equivalent out there, I'm sure he'll troll for hits by trying to create a controversy out of the obvious: No Virginia, it isn't Skyrim Online. And he'll make an ass of himself by doing a hatchet job highlighting nothing but the bugs he runs into (although he'll have to try harder this time now that the game is a year older and runs on identical HW with identical OS's and no extraneous crap like PC gamers love to cram their PCs with) and maybe even borrow Joe's girlfriend to giggle sarcastically in all the right places.

     

    But don't take my word for it. In just a few more days we'll see whether console gamers can handle playing this game better than the superior PC master race did a year ago ;)

     

     

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  • Nicco77Nicco77 Member UncommonPosts: 145
    Originally posted by MisterZebub

    I predict ESO on consoles will have large initial sales followed by the same waning interest we saw with the PC version. I'm not sure why but the core game, regardless of platform, doesn't seem to have staying power.

    Between trying to balance its "Elder Scrollsness" for the fans of the IP, and its hybrid MMO mechanics for both the old school RPGer and the Twitch Based Combat MMO crowd, its seems to do a poor job pleasing either camp. After all this time ESO still feels like a game that very much doesn't know what it wants to be when it grows up.

     

    This,this and again this.

    Talking about RPG in a game where in the end game you can't be a vampire if you want to do dungeons is silly.

    TESO will ever be a poor copy of WOW ported on the Elder Scrolls lore.

  • TheOctagonTheOctagon Member UncommonPosts: 411

    "The RPG Files: Will Elder Scrolls Online Satisfy RPG Fans?"

     

    Right after it goes FTP it will...XD

  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 3,100

    One thing that always fascinated me was that I didn't notice much negative feedback about FF14ARR not being like a traditional FF single player rpg, while ESO got bashed (nearly to death) about it not being skyrim, even though both mmos are substantially different to the single-player games they are based on.

    It will be interesting to see what the console player base makes of it.

    ....
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