No, I have not read into or looked at what Windows 10 offers.
So a friend of mine said, that he will never get Windows 10 because it has spyware and such built in the core system. That gathers information, what you like and not like, to sell ads and more.
Is this a valid concern?
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Instead of resorting to name calling maybe you could have simply informed the person you quoted that what his friend saw was something only in the win10 technical preview and won't be present in the RTM releases etc
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Originally posted by Alverant There may not be spyware per se, but the latest update sure had adware. They put a Windows 10 advertisment in my task bar and the only way to get rid of it is to undo the updated.
Are you seriously saying that Microsoft mentioning to people that there is an update available soon for Windows (for free) is adware? Are you kidding me?
Dunno about adware but it certainly spam as there was no way to easily get rid of it....
How does it "spam", the only way I can get the screen to pop up is by actively clicking on the tiny taskbar icon.
Originally posted by Alverant There may not be spyware per se, but the latest update sure had adware. They put a Windows 10 advertisment in my task bar and the only way to get rid of it is to undo the updated.
Are you seriously saying that Microsoft mentioning to people that there is an update available soon for Windows (for free) is adware? Are you kidding me?
Dunno about adware but it certainly spam as there was no way to easily get rid of it....
How does it "spam", the only way I can get the screen to pop up is by actively clicking on the tiny taskbar icon.
It spam in that it is unwanted junk on my taskbar that I didn't ask for that I have to do what amounts to shenanigans to get rid of permanently.
Take your email for example we all get spam in there now and then which we can rather easily block and the one time spams might be classified junk mail but only because you can get rid of it easy. Also I am sure MS didn't just send this to me and a few other other so yes spam.
Peeps need to get off the wording already and stick to the point I am making here.
Also it is not tiny but a big flag on the bottom right of my taskbar.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
No mater what kind of new version of windows. Spyware, Adware, and on and on and on the list gets worse. its a endless loop. its like dealing with roaches. cannot get rid of it. The only way is not to use the internet. no internet. No virus
I do not know if Linex works
I do not use Apple's OS X because its mom in your computer. and jail lock people out of the computer.
What I do know its like trying to fight a lost war
No company cares about you as an individual. I mean how fucking arrogant do you need to be to think that companies are curious what you do today or where you went or that you were browsing porn x on the web etc. They collect information on people aggregate for various purposes, it is collected annonymously and you as a person are not identified.
Also someone posting extract from the T&C for the "windows technical preview" and how they collect what you do on your windows, that's because it's for testing purporses. Microsoft need data of the usage to improve the product. This also happens with these technical previews. The final version will not have this clause, this was even said by Microsoft (can't be bothered to provide links, use a search engine if interested).
Overall stop being so paranoid. Tons of companies collect information about our habits and usage so they can market and target us better. Or do you really think that they care about what you personally do and have some nefarious intention behind all this? Then all I can say is LOL.
Yes, they do collect info about you as an individual. And it's becoming increasingly granular as people adopt wearable devices. You digital "footprint" of daily activity is not only recorded, but used in predictive analytics to generate contextually aware information about you and your future habits.
And just fyi, your fitness/wellness data is currently, as we speak, being packaged and sold to insurance companies and in some cases people's employers. Just as an example, since I work in mobile health, mAging (mobile aging) efforts are learning to track elderly people's gait over time to determine if they've developed a limp or lost some of their mobility and how rapidly it's deteriorating. Now, technically this is a benevolent use of personal data as we are interested in improving health outcomes (and we're a non-profit center at a university) but so much of your data is tracked and linked to you and the more devices people connect (sleep monitors, nutrition recording, etc) are constantly mined for that personal data. Photo-tagging algorithms scours your social feeds to see if they can identify what you like to eat, who shows up most in your photos, if you have pets, etc. No, they're not perfectly accurate and not all of this data is actionable (aka, useable within the confines of the law), but it is being collected.
If you use any connected technology, even the slightest idea of privacy is laughable. You are tracked, quantified, and analyzed in so many ways it'll make your head spin. It's not about paranoia, it's just how things are now.
"testing purposes" is code for "we're collecting every little thing about you and keeping it on file for when this becomes legal - in the meantime we're using this stuff to create new technologies around it." For example, just this April it was announced that there are iris scanners that can identify a person at 40 feet. This tech is only going to improve over time, and when it's ready, they will want to know who people are so they can identify them and sell it to airports, hospitals, GAP stores, etc. Well, when you use your webcam your iris signature is recorded for "testing purposes" so is your voice print, if you use a fingerprint scanner for security, that information is also stored.
Are they nefarious or do they actually care? No. They care about money, this will make them money later. People will get all huffy when "da govmint" borrows this technology from the private sector. The more things are accepted, the further they will push it. Some insurance companies will offer you a discount if you are willing to connect a fitness device and log certain amounts of exercise. Auto-insurers are doing the same thing Progressive and State Farm allow you to connect a dongle to your car which records your driving in exchange for lower rates. Of course your driving telemetry is already recorded by the chipset in your car, but it's one of those "we're offering a device on a volunteer basis so it's legal" territory. So whether you're signed up for this or not, your driving data is already captured. Where you go, how you drove there, and how long you stay in any particular area.
Don't worry, even though you've cleared your browser history, your ISP did record the porn site you visited, how long you spent on that site, and have already plotted out a regression analysis of time of day that you tend to use those sites. Not the most valuable of data, but it's easy to record and nearly free to store.
I did a short term placement during uni at an insurance company and they collect a huge amount of information. However what they were struggling was being able to manipulate and use the data in a meaningful way. Also the information was stored very securely and any breach/leak of sensitive personal data was treated as a huge problem. There are many regulations around how personal data can be collected and for what purposes it can be used. If we misused the information the financial concduct authority will slap us with a big fat fine. I now work for a bank and the situation is identical.
the fingerprint security thing, for example the iPhone and iPad are unlocked by your fingerprint. Apple said that this is only stored locally on your device and the information is not accessible to the operating system. Are you saying they are lying?
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No one is spamming anything. Spamming is flooding a message system with the same message over and over again.
This is a persistent notification for their customers. You can hide the notification so you don't have to see it. It doesn't cause a problem. Yes, I'm okay with it.
I have this feeling that people that are troubled by it and won't upgrade aren't really a concern for them. Feel free to check out the green grass on the other side of the fence. You'll find it's been spray painted that color.
Actually my grass is 100% natural and I like it that way.
You keep defending poor ole innocent and defenseless M$ though.
Oh and spam doesn't have to be something that is repeated over and over over, it can be something that is unwanted with no easy way to get rid of.
Right click the icon and tell me where they added a no thanks option and I will agree it is not spam. As long as I have to do something along these lines:
1. Go to search 2. Type cmd.exe 3. Press Enter 4. Type "powershell" 5. Press Enter 6. Copy and paste wusa /uninstall /kb:3035583 7. Press Enter 8. Wait a few minutes 9. When prompted click Yes. 10. Wait a few more minutes 11. Restart your computer now or later. 12. Upon restarting your icon will be gone. 13. Done
it is spam for me.
Alternately they could have made kb3035583 an "optional update", you know the ones you can decide to download or not via simply hiding the KB in the first place....
It's easy to remove or hide, probably even my grandma can do it. Are you just being indignant for the sake of it?
Your way of uninstalling is too convoluted. You can just go to uninstall programmes in the control panel select the option to display windows updates and you will see the update there. Then click uninstall boom, done. It is most likely to be at the very top. So yeah it's uninstalled like any other programme or update on windows.
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Originally posted by carotid The ones that are the loudest about privacy always have something to hide
That statement is one of the most ignorant things ever stated right up there with Al Gore claiming he invented the internet....
Lets be real.. My privacy is just that.. Private. If I want to share something I can do that on multiple outlets: Facebook, Twitter, and all the other ignorant ranting sites...
So I am a Financial Adviser working with customers information and finances... the last thing I want is a completely unsecure OS that allows hackers to access the same information that Microsoft would want access to including seeing what we are talking about or worse seeing whats in a clients folder.
Now lets take a step to the left.... You have a 4 year old girl whos playing games online... They will be building a profile of your child that anyone has access to.. why? Because Windows is the most unsecure OS ever created!
Ok now a step to the right..... Seriously, what business is it what I have on my system if I am not doing anything wrong? What happened to innocent until proven guilty? This is just putting the horse before the cart and really... its a serious annoyance.
Now a step back... this is just a bunch of stupid crap that is added into an already bulky and wasteful OS... What was wrong with 8 and 8.1? Simple... If I wanted my computer to look like my phone I would have bought a tablet!
The need for Privacy invasive Programming is to collect data for future use of persecution and them making money. Nothing to do with me so why should I accept it? The negatives out weigh the benefit as a private user.
Originally posted by carotid The ones that are the loudest about privacy always have something to hide
That statement is one of the most ignorant things ever stated right up there with Al Gore claiming he invented the internet....
Lets be real.. My privacy is just that.. Private. If I want to share something I can do that on multiple outlets: Facebook, Twitter, and all the other ignorant ranting sites...
So I am a Financial Adviser working with customers information and finances... the last thing I want is a completely unsecure OS that allows hackers to access the same information that Microsoft would want access to including seeing what we are talking about or worse seeing whats in a clients folder.
Now lets take a step to the left.... You have a 4 year old girl whos playing games online... They will be building a profile of your child that anyone has access to.. why? Because Windows is the most unsecure OS ever created!
Ok now a step to the right..... Seriously, what business is it what I have on my system if I am not doing anything wrong? What happened to innocent until proven guilty? This is just putting the horse before the cart and really... its a serious annoyance.
Now a step back... this is just a bunch of stupid crap that is added into an already bulky and wasteful OS... What was wrong with 8 and 8.1? Simple... If I wanted my computer to look like my phone I would have bought a tablet!
The need for Privacy invasive Programming is to collect data for future use of persecution and them making money. Nothing to do with me so why should I accept it? The negatives out weigh the benefit as a private user.
Again Windows will not collect any of your usage. THis is only part of the technical preview and this has always been the case for a very long time.
If you are a financial advisor, you wouldn't be using your PERSONAL PC to process any kind of information. I've worked in two financial services companies (insurance company and investment bank) and I will never use my own computer, everything is highly encrypted and also customer information is strictly classified as confidential and you wouldn't even get access to it unless you need it to perform your job. Espeically sensitve medical information.
Financial services are probably one of the most regulated industries and you can't be casually collecting user information. NO company will ever agree to Microsoft collecting any information. If Microsoft collected any kind of information, our company would sue the shit out of Microsoft.
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
Originally posted by Alverant There may not be spyware per se, but the latest update sure had adware. They put a Windows 10 advertisment in my task bar and the only way to get rid of it is to undo the updated.
Are you seriously saying that Microsoft mentioning to people that there is an update available soon for Windows (for free) is adware? Are you kidding me?
Dunno about adware but it certainly spam as there was no way to easily get rid of it....
How does it "spam", the only way I can get the screen to pop up is by actively clicking on the tiny taskbar icon.
Also it is not tiny but a big flag on the bottom right of my taskbar.
You mean to say that it's a physically larger icon? Quit being melodramatic. M$ offers you something for free and you cry because you have to uninstall an update to get rid of the free offer that, for some reason, you don't want. Oh no, you had to take 5 minutes to uninstall a program....
I really have to ROFL with a lot of these posts. I guess the F2P crowd now wants the F2U with windows now. Sad how we are becoming the entitled country.
Originally posted by Brenics I really have to ROFL with a lot of these posts. I guess the F2P crowd now wants the F2U with windows now. Sad how we are becoming the entitled country.
Originally posted by Brenics I really have to ROFL with a lot of these posts. I guess the F2P crowd now wants the F2U with windows now. Sad how we are becoming the entitled country.
GIMMIE MY LOBSTA!
We have a generation of people that have now been raised with embedded advertising in everything they can get for FREE. So to them its normal, Give me free stuff the advertising and nickel and diming is now as natural as breathing to them.
It's third world distribution and Vegas style monetization at its finest.
The concept of paying a modest amount of money for the entirety of something is a foreign concept.
No company cares about you as an individual. I mean how fucking arrogant do you need to be to think that companies are curious what you do today or where you went or that you were browsing porn x on the web etc. They collect information on people aggregate for various purposes, it is collected annonymously and you as a person are not identified.
Also someone posting extract from the T&C for the "windows technical preview" and how they collect what you do on your windows, that's because it's for testing purporses. Microsoft need data of the usage to improve the product. This also happens with these technical previews. The final version will not have this clause, this was even said by Microsoft (can't be bothered to provide links, use a search engine if interested).
Overall stop being so paranoid. Tons of companies collect information about our habits and usage so they can market and target us better. Or do you really think that they care about what you personally do and have some nefarious intention behind all this? Then all I can say is LOL.
Yes, they do collect info about you as an individual. And it's becoming increasingly granular as people adopt wearable devices. You digital "footprint" of daily activity is not only recorded, but used in predictive analytics to generate contextually aware information about you and your future habits.
And just fyi, your fitness/wellness data is currently, as we speak, being packaged and sold to insurance companies and in some cases people's employers. Just as an example, since I work in mobile health, mAging (mobile aging) efforts are learning to track elderly people's gait over time to determine if they've developed a limp or lost some of their mobility and how rapidly it's deteriorating. Now, technically this is a benevolent use of personal data as we are interested in improving health outcomes (and we're a non-profit center at a university) but so much of your data is tracked and linked to you and the more devices people connect (sleep monitors, nutrition recording, etc) are constantly mined for that personal data. Photo-tagging algorithms scours your social feeds to see if they can identify what you like to eat, who shows up most in your photos, if you have pets, etc. No, they're not perfectly accurate and not all of this data is actionable (aka, useable within the confines of the law), but it is being collected.
If you use any connected technology, even the slightest idea of privacy is laughable. You are tracked, quantified, and analyzed in so many ways it'll make your head spin. It's not about paranoia, it's just how things are now.
"testing purposes" is code for "we're collecting every little thing about you and keeping it on file for when this becomes legal - in the meantime we're using this stuff to create new technologies around it." For example, just this April it was announced that there are iris scanners that can identify a person at 40 feet. This tech is only going to improve over time, and when it's ready, they will want to know who people are so they can identify them and sell it to airports, hospitals, GAP stores, etc. Well, when you use your webcam your iris signature is recorded for "testing purposes" so is your voice print, if you use a fingerprint scanner for security, that information is also stored.
Are they nefarious or do they actually care? No. They care about money, this will make them money later. People will get all huffy when "da govmint" borrows this technology from the private sector. The more things are accepted, the further they will push it. Some insurance companies will offer you a discount if you are willing to connect a fitness device and log certain amounts of exercise. Auto-insurers are doing the same thing Progressive and State Farm allow you to connect a dongle to your car which records your driving in exchange for lower rates. Of course your driving telemetry is already recorded by the chipset in your car, but it's one of those "we're offering a device on a volunteer basis so it's legal" territory. So whether you're signed up for this or not, your driving data is already captured. Where you go, how you drove there, and how long you stay in any particular area.
Don't worry, even though you've cleared your browser history, your ISP did record the porn site you visited, how long you spent on that site, and have already plotted out a regression analysis of time of day that you tend to use those sites. Not the most valuable of data, but it's easy to record and nearly free to store.
I did a short term placement during uni at an insurance company and they collect a huge amount of information. However what they were struggling was being able to manipulate and use the data in a meaningful way. Also the information was stored very securely and any breach/leak of sensitive personal data was treated as a huge problem. There are many regulations around how personal data can be collected and for what purposes it can be used. If we misused the information the financial concduct authority will slap us with a big fat fine. I now work for a bank and the situation is identical.
the fingerprint security thing, for example the iPhone and iPad are unlocked by your fingerprint. Apple said that this is only stored locally on your device and the information is not accessible to the operating system. Are you saying they are lying?
No, I'm saying that they're more than happy to share/sell that information when it suits their need. For example, in some cases we use biometrics to monitor drug delivery in supply chain management. So the person receiving the shipment does a fingerprint scan or voiceprint authentication and we know who has received said shipment and can be held liable if some of it goes missing (as medical drugs sometimes "fall out of the truck" because they can be quite lucrative to sell in non-traditional markets. Again, in this particular case we're trying to do good with the data that's available - aka getting medication to people who need it and preventing loss/theft for that company.
As far as regulations go, they are very rigorous on security, but much more lax in giving/selling/sharing information. And in some cases it's as simple as "the user agreed to our ToS" (aka everyone). When an app says, "this app would like access to your gps, images, wifi network etc, and you click accept it's not really a breach, it's you giving that away for free.
No, I have not read into or looked at what Windows 10 offers.
So a friend of mine said, that he will never get Windows 10 because it has spyware and such built in the core system. That gathers information, what you like and not like, to sell ads and more.
Is this a valid concern?
Its only a valid concern if you don't use Google products.
I was gonna say, does your friend use anything google, yahoo, or facebook? Because everyone of those companies makes money by tracking everything you do and selling it to other people.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
Originally posted by Brenics I really have to ROFL with a lot of these posts. I guess the F2P crowd now wants the F2U with windows now. Sad how we are becoming the entitled country.
GIMMIE MY LOBSTA!
We have a generation of people that have now been raised with embedded advertising in everything they can get for FREE. So to them its normal, Give me free stuff the advertising and nickel and diming is now as natural as breathing to them.
It's third world distribution and Vegas style monetization at its finest.
The concept of paying a modest amount of money for the entirety of something is a foreign concept.
Indeed, you can even see this by all the people that get all ruffled up because I said the way this "free" OS is being offered is crass and spammy.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
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Instead of resorting to name calling maybe you could have simply informed the person you quoted that what his friend saw was something only in the win10 technical preview and won't be present in the RTM releases etc
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
How does it "spam", the only way I can get the screen to pop up is by actively clicking on the tiny taskbar icon.
It spam in that it is unwanted junk on my taskbar that I didn't ask for that I have to do what amounts to shenanigans to get rid of permanently.
Take your email for example we all get spam in there now and then which we can rather easily block and the one time spams might be classified junk mail but only because you can get rid of it easy. Also I am sure MS didn't just send this to me and a few other other so yes spam.
Peeps need to get off the wording already and stick to the point I am making here.
Also it is not tiny but a big flag on the bottom right of my taskbar.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpammingSpam doesn't necessarily need to be something done repeatedly to be spam. Glad to have been able to teach you something today.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
This isn't a signature, you just think it is.
No mater what kind of new version of windows. Spyware, Adware, and on and on and on the list gets worse. its a endless loop. its like dealing with roaches. cannot get rid of it. The only way is not to use the internet. no internet. No virus
I do not know if Linex works
I do not use Apple's OS X because its mom in your computer. and jail lock people out of the computer.
What I do know its like trying to fight a lost war
I did a short term placement during uni at an insurance company and they collect a huge amount of information. However what they were struggling was being able to manipulate and use the data in a meaningful way. Also the information was stored very securely and any breach/leak of sensitive personal data was treated as a huge problem. There are many regulations around how personal data can be collected and for what purposes it can be used. If we misused the information the financial concduct authority will slap us with a big fat fine. I now work for a bank and the situation is identical.
the fingerprint security thing, for example the iPhone and iPad are unlocked by your fingerprint. Apple said that this is only stored locally on your device and the information is not accessible to the operating system. Are you saying they are lying?
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
It's easy to remove or hide, probably even my grandma can do it. Are you just being indignant for the sake of it?
Your way of uninstalling is too convoluted. You can just go to uninstall programmes in the control panel select the option to display windows updates and you will see the update there. Then click uninstall boom, done. It is most likely to be at the very top. So yeah it's uninstalled like any other programme or update on windows.
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
That statement is one of the most ignorant things ever stated right up there with Al Gore claiming he invented the internet....
Lets be real.. My privacy is just that.. Private. If I want to share something I can do that on multiple outlets: Facebook, Twitter, and all the other ignorant ranting sites...
So I am a Financial Adviser working with customers information and finances... the last thing I want is a completely unsecure OS that allows hackers to access the same information that Microsoft would want access to including seeing what we are talking about or worse seeing whats in a clients folder.
Now lets take a step to the left.... You have a 4 year old girl whos playing games online... They will be building a profile of your child that anyone has access to.. why? Because Windows is the most unsecure OS ever created!
Ok now a step to the right..... Seriously, what business is it what I have on my system if I am not doing anything wrong? What happened to innocent until proven guilty? This is just putting the horse before the cart and really... its a serious annoyance.
Now a step back... this is just a bunch of stupid crap that is added into an already bulky and wasteful OS... What was wrong with 8 and 8.1? Simple... If I wanted my computer to look like my phone I would have bought a tablet!
The need for Privacy invasive Programming is to collect data for future use of persecution and them making money. Nothing to do with me so why should I accept it? The negatives out weigh the benefit as a private user.
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Again Windows will not collect any of your usage. THis is only part of the technical preview and this has always been the case for a very long time.
If you are a financial advisor, you wouldn't be using your PERSONAL PC to process any kind of information. I've worked in two financial services companies (insurance company and investment bank) and I will never use my own computer, everything is highly encrypted and also customer information is strictly classified as confidential and you wouldn't even get access to it unless you need it to perform your job. Espeically sensitve medical information.
Financial services are probably one of the most regulated industries and you can't be casually collecting user information. NO company will ever agree to Microsoft collecting any information. If Microsoft collected any kind of information, our company would sue the shit out of Microsoft.
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
You mean to say that it's a physically larger icon? Quit being melodramatic. M$ offers you something for free and you cry because you have to uninstall an update to get rid of the free offer that, for some reason, you don't want. Oh no, you had to take 5 minutes to uninstall a program....
Good luck trying to run directX games there without having to spend countless time on Wine after every patch that is >1kb.
That's IF the game runs properly on Wine in the first place.....without all the glitches and crashes.
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GIMMIE MY LOBSTA!
We have a generation of people that have now been raised with embedded advertising in everything they can get for FREE. So to them its normal, Give me free stuff the advertising and nickel and diming is now as natural as breathing to them.
It's third world distribution and Vegas style monetization at its finest.
The concept of paying a modest amount of money for the entirety of something is a foreign concept.
No, I'm saying that they're more than happy to share/sell that information when it suits their need. For example, in some cases we use biometrics to monitor drug delivery in supply chain management. So the person receiving the shipment does a fingerprint scan or voiceprint authentication and we know who has received said shipment and can be held liable if some of it goes missing (as medical drugs sometimes "fall out of the truck" because they can be quite lucrative to sell in non-traditional markets. Again, in this particular case we're trying to do good with the data that's available - aka getting medication to people who need it and preventing loss/theft for that company.
As far as regulations go, they are very rigorous on security, but much more lax in giving/selling/sharing information. And in some cases it's as simple as "the user agreed to our ToS" (aka everyone). When an app says, "this app would like access to your gps, images, wifi network etc, and you click accept it's not really a breach, it's you giving that away for free.
I was gonna say, does your friend use anything google, yahoo, or facebook? Because everyone of those companies makes money by tracking everything you do and selling it to other people.
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Indeed, you can even see this by all the people that get all ruffled up because I said the way this "free" OS is being offered is crass and spammy.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.