If by griefing you mean they enable developers to make shitty games and still make money by monetizing in-game success in said shitty games, then yes.
Of course, I'm not forced to play aforementioned shitty games so the only grief comes from the fact that they make making shitty games a more attractive option than actually putting effort into making something that doesn't suck.
I won't come out and say no like quite a few people say. I kinda think it depends, if all the whale is doing is increasing their wealth without really interacting with others then I don't think so.
Now if that whale demands things or influences (on purpose) people in order to get more money then yes it can be.
But for the most part I do not think most whales are.
I worked at a casino for 3 years and I got too see addictiveness at it's worse. Whales are the same breed for the most part. They can't help themselves for some reason, and most whales don't have a lot of real life money. They put themselves in debt majorly and ruin their lives.
Griefing implies one player doing something to another. Buying a fancy outfit or buying a devastating weapon from a cash shop only affects one player. And because Whale A buys UberSword001 this week, doesn't prevent you from buying MegaUberSword003a when they put it in the cash shop next week.
I guess it is only griefing if the second player is envious of the wealth of others. If one player wants to flaunt their wealth, or another person feels offended by someone's wealth, well, I'd suggest both parties may need professional help.
But, that's a pretty absurd definition of griefing, so I voted 'No'.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Is it possible that being cannon fodder for guys with fat wallets makes someone's gaming experience miserable? Yes. But its not griefing. That is in fact how a P2W game is designed to work. Free players get to play the game for free, whales get an ego trip of being gods in a world of insignificant insects.
Do I like this model? Not one bit. I dont think its particularly good for the MMO genre in the long run. But it makes money so anything else is mostly irrelevant from a publisher's PoV.
Jesus-H-Christ micro-aggressions have found there way into MMORPG gaming! ROFL
Is no space sacred from the influences of political correctness? ha-ha
Without going into the psychology of it all......IF other people displaying more discretional income / time through in-game possessions makes you *feel* bad, you're doomed. Life will present MUCH greater hardships & hurdles for you to clear than someone flaunting a bigger Axe than you.
Is 1st World Problems an appropriate response here?
Jesus-H-Christ micro-aggressions have found there way into MMORPG gaming! ROFL
Is no space sacred from the influences of political correctness? ha-ha
Without going into the psychology of it all......IF other people displaying more discretional income / time through in-game possessions makes you *feel* bad, you're doomed. Life will present MUCH greater hardships & hurdles for you to clear than someone flaunting a bigger Axe than you.
Is 1st World Problems an appropriate response here?
Thats looking at it backwards. Games have always been a way of escaping (if only for a while) the often unpleasant facts of RL. Its one of basic roles of gaming. Whatever problems you had, whether you were rich or poor you could fire up your favorite game and be the hero. Now its 'no, you cant be a hero in our game, you can only play a sidekick/red shirt... the hero part is reserved for our rich players.'
If someone wants to drop $1000 on a video game for a virtual outfit, that is fine with me, its their money they can do what they want with it. I just wish people would research more and think about what they do with their money a bit more and how it will affect the games industry.
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You can be a pleasant whale or an obnoxious whale. The only difference between an obnoxious whale and an obnoxious non- whale is the the whale has the best stuff to annoy you with.
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I think this is a "If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen"-thing. If somebody is playing a pay 2 win game he must be prepared that some people will pay and win, because that's how the game works.
Originally posted by DMKano If throwing money at a game is an abstract form of griefing, then playing a ridiculous number of hours (like 18 a day) is even greater griefing. But yes this is absurd.
I wish I could plus 100 your post.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Jesus-H-Christ micro-aggressions have found there way into MMORPG gaming! ROFL
Is no space sacred from the influences of political correctness? ha-ha
Without going into the psychology of it all......IF other people displaying more discretional income / time through in-game possessions makes you *feel* bad, you're doomed. Life will present MUCH greater hardships & hurdles for you to clear than someone flaunting a bigger Axe than you.
Is 1st World Problems an appropriate response here?
Thats looking at it backwards. Games have always been a way of escaping (if only for a while) the often unpleasant facts of RL. Its one of basic roles of gaming. Whatever problems you had, whether you were rich or poor you could fire up your favorite game and be the hero. Now its 'no, you cant be a hero in our game, you can only play a sidekick/red shirt... the hero part is reserved for our rich players.'
Then that person probably should have researched the game before playing it. Then again, if they are the type to sit around in a game that he already knows has a pay to win element and say "No fair! He has more things than me! He's griefing me!" then it's likely there's a real life parallel somewhere there, too.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
What is your opinion. Is being a whale for the self or for the audience.
If it's used to influence an audience, can it be considered griefing?
This makes me ponder so I'm offering it up for others to ponder.
What the hell is a whale?
Person who spends an exceptionally high amount of money on an entertainment service.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
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If by griefing you mean they enable developers to make shitty games and still make money by monetizing in-game success in said shitty games, then yes.
Of course, I'm not forced to play aforementioned shitty games so the only grief comes from the fact that they make making shitty games a more attractive option than actually putting effort into making something that doesn't suck.
I won't come out and say no like quite a few people say. I kinda think it depends, if all the whale is doing is increasing their wealth without really interacting with others then I don't think so.
Now if that whale demands things or influences (on purpose) people in order to get more money then yes it can be.
But for the most part I do not think most whales are.
Griefing implies one player doing something to another. Buying a fancy outfit or buying a devastating weapon from a cash shop only affects one player. And because Whale A buys UberSword001 this week, doesn't prevent you from buying MegaUberSword003a when they put it in the cash shop next week.
I guess it is only griefing if the second player is envious of the wealth of others. If one player wants to flaunt their wealth, or another person feels offended by someone's wealth, well, I'd suggest both parties may need professional help.
But, that's a pretty absurd definition of griefing, so I voted 'No'.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Is it possible that being cannon fodder for guys with fat wallets makes someone's gaming experience miserable? Yes. But its not griefing. That is in fact how a P2W game is designed to work. Free players get to play the game for free, whales get an ego trip of being gods in a world of insignificant insects.
Do I like this model? Not one bit. I dont think its particularly good for the MMO genre in the long run. But it makes money so anything else is mostly irrelevant from a publisher's PoV.
Well I dont know, do you consider rich people irl griefers?
Also, No, and wth kind of logic is this.
Perhaps you have the wrong question. Maybe the question should be:
Is playing a F2P game for free an abstract form of griefing?
Jesus-H-Christ micro-aggressions have found there way into MMORPG gaming! ROFL
Is no space sacred from the influences of political correctness? ha-ha
Without going into the psychology of it all......IF other people displaying more discretional income / time through in-game possessions makes you *feel* bad, you're doomed. Life will present MUCH greater hardships & hurdles for you to clear than someone flaunting a bigger Axe than you.
Is 1st World Problems an appropriate response here?
Thats looking at it backwards. Games have always been a way of escaping (if only for a while) the often unpleasant facts of RL. Its one of basic roles of gaming. Whatever problems you had, whether you were rich or poor you could fire up your favorite game and be the hero. Now its 'no, you cant be a hero in our game, you can only play a sidekick/red shirt... the hero part is reserved for our rich players.'
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
I think this is a "If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen"-thing. If somebody is playing a pay 2 win game he must be prepared that some people will pay and win, because that's how the game works.
I wish I could plus 100 your post.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Then that person probably should have researched the game before playing it. Then again, if they are the type to sit around in a game that he already knows has a pay to win element and say "No fair! He has more things than me! He's griefing me!" then it's likely there's a real life parallel somewhere there, too.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
What the hell is a whale?
Person who spends an exceptionally high amount of money on an entertainment service.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre