So, to be fair, let me explain why I love EQ2 right now (and these are my opinions):
1. The level curve is perfect. It is not too easy or too hard. I am a casual player who found WOW too easy to level. 2 months for my first 60. In 3 months, in EQ2, I have gotten to 47. Now with the expansion, I have 23 more levels to go. That's a nice level curve and will keep me occupied.
2. There is always something to explore. I still have the majority of Desert of Flames and all of KoS to see. In 2 months, I had seen every zone in WOW. I love DAOC for the same reason. It has a ton to explore. (I am very much an explorer/socializer gamer).
3. The classes are different. Each one has its own role. You have tanks, casters, buffers, mezers. You must know your class. Class selection makes a huge difference in your group.
4. Mentoring is the most wonderful thing in the world. it's like reverse side-kicking in COH. Say my friend starts playing and needs help with a level 15 quest. He is level 14. I can group with him and mentor him which lowers my level to his but also grants him a 50% exp increase! Also anyone in the group can mentor. Myself and 2 friends can mentor the same person. Grouping is easy at any level.
5. The community is the absolute best I have found (at least on my server). They are helpful and friendly. You do not fear asking a question for fear you will get jumped on.
6. The guild system is wonderful. You can do writs and quests to further the experience of your guild and your guild levels. This gives everyone in the guild a common task to work for and makes you proud to be a member of your guild. The guild I am in is right now level 32 and its nice to know that I am helping them get to level 33.
7. Housing is well done. It can be cheap or expensive depending on your tastes. Its a blast to customize your house how you want.
8. The lore/storyline is well done. I am not a roleplayer by any means but with the Qeynos vs. Freeport setting, you get the feeling of good versus evil. I assume that this feeling will be even stronger on the PvP servers.
Anyways, those are some of the reasons I enjoy the game a lot. It is much more than being a "fanboi" (a term I detest by the way) when you can reasonably explain why you enjoy the game. So all I am saying and I think many in this forum will agree, if you want to bash EQ2, then please provide reasons why you do.
/target templarga /buys templarga a beer
Couldnt have said it better myself..so you saved me a lot of typing
I just recently downloaded the 7 day trial of EQII and though it took most of the night to update here are my initial thoughts. Graphically I am unimpressed. The character creation reminds me a lot of SW:G, yet not as sophisticated. Now I haven't had much time to play yet so I am holding off judgement. To this point all I can say is that I am generally dissapointed.
Originally posted by pingo Detested by wow fans, hated by all other everquest haters for its name, hated by everquest 1 fans for being different.
However, is the ugly duck the game that will kill everything in its path? right now while wow is getting flamed left and right, and EQ2 finally gets its pvp along with its second expansion - is it EQ2s turn to shine? Soon the last juices of SWG will be gone... EQ1 is getting really old and planetside is going free. Is SOE betting everyone on this? are they really that made at blizz, webzen and NCsoft?
*laughing* I am sure Blizzard is crying all the way to the bank on that. And I am just as sure SOE is drooling as they watch Blizzard go to the bank.
I play both, I don't hate either. However SOE is making it very hard for me to continue liking EQ II as. They are making it harder for me to justify paying for it plus WoW when it gets more and more like WoW daily.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Originally posted by anarchyart WoW is a very fun game, has a huge franchise name behind it (yes, bigger than everquest) and it will play on ANY computer (even my sucky dell at work). EQ2 is a better game in every way (in my opinion) but you need a high end system to get the most out of it. Plus, SOE has a bad reputation, mostly undeserved (you notice I said mostly)-those things combined are EQ2's obstacles. Mature gamers will choose EQ2: they can afford a nice system and are less likely to boycott a company based on hearsay. Younger or immature (notice I said or--not all young gamers are immature) gamers will avoid games "because my friend said to" or because "I heard that it sucked". Mature gamers are more likely to form their own opinions based on their own experiences.
The guild I am in in WoW is full of extremely mature players. If EQ II was actually good enough to get 5 million plus subsribers they would have just as many community problems as WoW. HOWEVER, they can't so they won't.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
So, you are saying that WoW is the better game because it's more popular? I suppose during the boy band craze nsync and the backstreet boys were better musicians and musical composers than nearly everyone else on the planet. I suppose movies like spiderman 2 are better than movies like donnie darko, citizen kane, (very old most people won't even know what it is), I suppose best selling books authors like John Grisham are more brilliant than the literary greats in the past simply because more people read them. It just doesn't hold up is all. Sorry more popular doesn't mean better.
It does mean it apeals to a greater amount of people and while you might not think that makes it a better game its really the goal of every company. If you dont think sony wishes they owned WoW you are kidding yourself. EQ2 wasnt created because Sony wanted to make an artistic game in which they could explain whats wrong with society they created to make money the same with Blizzard.
Games are business. The greatest selling game is the winner.
Originally posted by Sift It does mean it apeals to a greater amount of people and while you might not think that makes it a better game its really the goal of every company. If you dont think sony wishes they owned WoW you are kidding yourself. EQ2 wasnt created because Sony wanted to make an artistic game in which they could explain whats wrong with society they created to make money the same with Blizzard. Games are business. The greatest selling game is the winner.
It is the winner for a businessman. But, not for a gamer. As a businessman I would say WoW is clearly the winner. WoW attracted all fans of Blizzard + many people who have never played an MMORPG before and who doesn't know whether there are any other MMORPG other than WoW. Trust me, I know what I am saying because I have many friends who have only heard of WoW, but not even of Everquest, not to mention EQ2.
But as a gamer, the clear winner is EQ2. Because, EQ2 gives you the edge in gaming. It is better in most ways than WoW including graphics, fun factor, depth, sound, whatever. However, I think the world layout, creature placement and character control in WoW is better than EQ2.
I doubt Vanguard will ever be good as EQ2, simply because, it is developed by a smaller and a less experienced development team than EQ2.
agree so much with the post above me also if u go look in the earlier post on this topic it clearly stats why WOW has so much subs. 5 milion subs is good to use when they first posted the numbers. now its getting old.
Hey WoW fan boys,Lineage farnshiseis the best in the wrld,it have more subs it meens to you it is a beter game.in fact i think L2 is beter than wow,i like to play it is an amazing game.
Originally posted by Sift It does mean it apeals to a greater amount of people and while you might not think that makes it a better game its really the goal of every company. If you dont think sony wishes they owned WoW you are kidding yourself. EQ2 wasnt created because Sony wanted to make an artistic game in which they could explain whats wrong with society they created to make money the same with Blizzard. Games are business. The greatest selling game is the winner.
It is the winner for a businessman. But, not for a gamer. As a businessman I would say WoW is clearly the winner. WoW attracted all fans of Blizzard + many people who have never played an MMORPG before and who doesn't know whether there are any other MMORPG other than WoW. Trust me, I know what I am saying because I have many friends who have only heard of WoW, but not even of Everquest, not to mention EQ2.
But as a gamer, the clear winner is EQ2. Because, EQ2 gives you the edge in gaming. It is better in most ways than WoW including graphics, fun factor, depth, sound, whatever. However, I think the world layout, creature placement and character control in WoW is better than EQ2.
I doubt Vanguard will ever be good as EQ2, simply because, it is developed by a smaller and a less experienced development team than EQ2.
Ever hear of a game called EQ1?
Wasn't developed by SOE as you seem to believe, it was developed by Verant which are the same people making Vanguard just known as Sigil now. You are clueless.
I am not a fan of what Vanguard will be, a raiding centric game, but it certainly will be more popular than EQ2 which has failed miserably.
"We feel gold selling and websites that promote it damage games like Vanguard and will do everything possible to combat it." Brad McQuaid Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc. Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes www.vanguardsoh
Originally posted by Jorev Ever hear of a game called EQ1? Wasn't developed by SOE as you seem to believe, it was developed by Verant which are the same people making Vanguard just known as Sigil now. You are clueless. I am not a fan of what Vanguard will be, a raiding centric game, but it certainly will be more popular than EQ2 which has failed miserably.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA first off, Vanguard isn't going to be raiding centric, read the FAQ, it's going to be group centered. Second of all, EQ2 failed miserably? ROFL way to show just how little you know about this genre. Go hit the FAQ's n00b. All EQ2 servers are heavy every day now and the PVP servers are FULL. Bye.
I have Played MMO Since the first day of UO. Does that mean I didn't like WoW... no, I loved WoW. why? because it was finally a game that didn't feel it needed to clutter up the game with so much stuff it became pointless. The game is brilliant in its simplicity. Pluss Unlike most games put out today Blizzard did what it does best, The game is Polished. Right down to the starting menu the game just looks good. It does nothing to take out out of the game, Like every time I start EQ2 I have to look at Dell adds.
Its always been on of my biggest complaints in the game industry is that they don't take the time to really polish their games. EQ2 is a great game, its not a failure by a long shot, but what it failed to do was expand the market. As Much as I love there graphics their interface looks like some 10 year old kid took 5 seconds and that's what he came up with. Where is the art. Although you can download new interfaces which is cool.
Personaly what I would like to see more of from most games is more World Events. In both games it always feels so half assed done. 90% of the events are real life holidays and do nothing to further the story. How is it that I went from 0-60 in both games and feel like I did nothing. I mean EQ2 has it set, Have the players do an event then write a lore book to it when its done and make it available to put in your house so it becomes a piece of history and also put the players names in it on each server so people kinda go down in history. Like MxO or hate it their live events were just cool.
Or like UO add writable books so that players can kinda create their own stories, those were always cool. M^F made some awesome events through those books.
Just because a game is simple doesn't make it bad. Warcraft 1-3 are very simple RTS's which is what made them work so damn well.
I will always say I liked EQ2, I just wish several things 1: No more expansions till you fix the problems already in the game (Like monsters running into walls ARG)
2: More interactive story line that actually changes depending on what people do. I think the lore in EQ has always been one of its strong points so why is it I should feel like Im never taking part of it just static quests.
3: Polish the game a bit more, I would also like to see them change some of the art in the loading screens, give me some lore about the area im entering, something to read while I wait.
If they don't feel like having an event team just give the players more control to do their own. Ohh well its all good, Im glad to hear that EQ2 servers seem to be filling up. Its nice to see them finally make some good changes to the game that everyone seems to like. If they just keep on this route EQ2 will be going for a long time to come. Just why did it take so long to put PVP in the game I mean the game was set up for it from the start, Freeport and Qeynos common its so easy lol
Well I need to drop my two coins in on this again.
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As we all know EQ2 was launched in a state of development I like to refer to as pseudo-beta. The platform was built with the intent to adapt and change based on player and market demands. If you look at it in retrospect it begins to all add up and will continue to get clearer as time progresses. Looks at the basic economy of the MMORPG world and you will see three unique demographics:
Core PvE players
PvP players
Brand lovers (like me)
The core PvE players are the people that grind to the highest level and proceed to raid until all they have left to do is demand more content.
PvP players well this is self explanatory
Brand lovers, these are the people like myself that enjoy the feel of a MMORPG and found one that they really like and tend to stick with it just because for one reason or another they like the game they are playing.
As we all know PvP is by far the biggest subscription base hands down, PvE or your hard core players are all about the challenge of completing the game by countering the obstacles built into the game and represent a small portion of the population and us brand lovers are happy just so long as it is still fun.
SoE obviously planned ahead. EQ2s platform will not be considered average until about 5 years from now when hardware has caught up with the level of performance EQ2 is capable of pumping out. So they sit and wait. They watch how the market moves. They add PvP when WoW is starting to loose its fan base. Then they wait until the next big PvE game comes out. They will lose several PvE players but will be banking on early attrition to regain players with a well times expansion .. the plan marches on.
Originally posted by WARCRYtm Hey WoW fan boys,Lineage farnshiseis the best in the wrld,it have more subs it meens to you it is a beter game.in fact i think L2 is beter than wow,i like to play it is an amazing game.
I suggest doing some research before posting such inane drivel.
WoW has more subscribers than both Lineage 1 and 2 put together. You could argue that Blizzard only claims that WoW has exceeded 5.5 million, but that number cannot be proven, but the same is true, and, even more so for the Lineage games which are played almost exclusively in Korea through Internet Cybercafes. The method used to count far east sub numbers is duboius at best, down right misleading at worse, but it applies to both games, and more to Lineage since almost all of it's players are Korean.
WoW has around 2 million in the US and Eu, how many does Lineage 1 or 2 have?
As for which game is better. that's just your opinion. I think EQ2 is better than Wow, does that make it the best?
Originally posted by Sift It does mean it apeals to a greater amount of people and while you might not think that makes it a better game its really the goal of every company. If you dont think sony wishes they owned WoW you are kidding yourself. EQ2 wasnt created because Sony wanted to make an artistic game in which they could explain whats wrong with society they created to make money the same with Blizzard. Games are business. The greatest selling game is the winner.
It is the winner for a businessman. But, not for a gamer. As a businessman I would say WoW is clearly the winner. WoW attracted all fans of Blizzard + many people who have never played an MMORPG before and who doesn't know whether there are any other MMORPG other than WoW. Trust me, I know what I am saying because I have many friends who have only heard of WoW, but not even of Everquest, not to mention EQ2.
But as a gamer, the clear winner is EQ2. Because, EQ2 gives you the edge in gaming. It is better in most ways than WoW including graphics, fun factor, depth, sound, whatever. However, I think the world layout, creature placement and character control in WoW is better than EQ2.
I doubt Vanguard will ever be good as EQ2, simply because, it is developed by a smaller and a less experienced development team than EQ2.
Ever hear of a game called EQ1?
Wasn't developed by SOE as you seem to believe, it was developed by Verant which are the same people making Vanguard just known as Sigil now. You are clueless.
I am not a fan of what Vanguard will be, a raiding centric game, but it certainly will be more popular than EQ2 which has failed miserably.
Hmm, I read through the two quotes twice but fail to see where the poster tried to assert that EQ was made by SOE.
I assume you know your history but for those that don't. Brad Mcquaid was lead designer and leading light at Verant, the team that created Everquest. They based the game on existing MUDs of the time, and another game they greatly admired UO. Brad was still a major influence long after SOE took over, changed the logos, and started reshaping the game. By his own admission he had a big hand in the design of content and encounters for expansions like SoL, which many claimed killed EQ, and even the early stages of EQ2.
We can only assume that SOE placed too many limits on what he wanted to do with EQ2 and so quit for form new a development house, Sigil, got the financial backing of Microsoft whilst retaining the creative freedom he wanted. Many of the Sigil team are not ex-EQ however but come from other games, DAOC, Earth and Beyond, even UO, so you cannot assume that Vangaurd will be another EQ clone. In fact Brad has referred many times to games that were the inspiration for certain parts of the game; UO, WoW, SWG all rate a mention. As for raiding, the game is aimed at "hardcore" or core players, small group mainly, but with solo, and raiding content. Only the very best gear will be raid restrcited, but not the content.
Ofcourse dev teams say a great deal in beta that never gets realised at release, just look at Horizons, SWG and EQ2, so it remains to be seen how close they get to their current FAQs and design concept.
Sometimes a film is released that many consider the true sequel to an original classic, same occurred with some games, Black and White is the true sequel to Populous 1 and 2, and Sid Meier's own version of civilisation. Vanguard may well be the true EQ2.
Originally posted by WARCRYtm If you dont remember no one liked verant befour sony get EQ.Wen sony got eq people started bashing sony. People just have to complain. EQ was a bad game wen it came to stores.Sony made it a beter game. I cant belive Vanguard will got beter than EQ2 EQ2 is a verry good game,probably the best.EQ2 only problem was to be relesed at the same time has wow
I don't really know about that.
I started playing EQ just before SoL, SOE already well in charge. I think many people think the game improved under SOE, but many also feel it was ruined by them. Most of the latter now frequent the Vanguard forums dreaming about the good ole days of pre-SOE EQ.
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/buys templarga a beer
Couldnt have said it better myself..so you saved me a lot of typing
I just recently downloaded the 7 day trial of EQII and though it took most of the night to update here are my initial thoughts. Graphically I am unimpressed. The character creation reminds me a lot of SW:G, yet not as sophisticated. Now I haven't had much time to play yet so I am holding off judgement. To this point all I can say is that I am generally dissapointed.
*laughing* I am sure Blizzard is crying all the way to the bank on that. And I am just as sure SOE is drooling as they watch Blizzard go to the bank.
I play both, I don't hate either. However SOE is making it very hard for me to continue liking EQ II as. They are making it harder for me to justify paying for it plus WoW when it gets more and more like WoW daily.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
The guild I am in in WoW is full of extremely mature players. If EQ II was actually good enough to get 5 million plus subsribers they would have just as many community problems as WoW. HOWEVER, they can't so they won't.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
So, you are saying that WoW is the better game because it's more popular? I suppose during the boy band craze nsync and the backstreet boys were better musicians and musical composers than nearly everyone else on the planet. I suppose movies like spiderman 2 are better than movies like donnie darko, citizen kane, (very old most people won't even know what it is), I suppose best selling books authors like John Grisham are more brilliant than the literary greats in the past simply because more people read them. It just doesn't hold up is all. Sorry more popular doesn't mean better.
It does mean it apeals to a greater amount of people and while you might not think that makes it a better game its really the goal of every company. If you dont think sony wishes they owned WoW you are kidding yourself. EQ2 wasnt created because Sony wanted to make an artistic game in which they could explain whats wrong with society they created to make money the same with Blizzard.
Games are business. The greatest selling game is the winner.
It is the winner for a businessman. But, not for a gamer. As a businessman I would say WoW is clearly the winner. WoW attracted all fans of Blizzard + many people who have never played an MMORPG before and who doesn't know whether there are any other MMORPG other than WoW. Trust me, I know what I am saying because I have many friends who have only heard of WoW, but not even of Everquest, not to mention EQ2.
But as a gamer, the clear winner is EQ2. Because, EQ2 gives you the edge in gaming. It is better in most ways than WoW including graphics, fun factor, depth, sound, whatever. However, I think the world layout, creature placement and character control in WoW is better than EQ2.
I doubt Vanguard will ever be good as EQ2, simply because, it is developed by a smaller and a less experienced development team than EQ2.
agree so much with the post above me
also if u go look in the earlier post on this topic it clearly stats why WOW has so much subs. 5 milion subs is good to use when they first posted the numbers. now its getting old.
It is the winner for a businessman. But, not for a gamer. As a businessman I would say WoW is clearly the winner. WoW attracted all fans of Blizzard + many people who have never played an MMORPG before and who doesn't know whether there are any other MMORPG other than WoW. Trust me, I know what I am saying because I have many friends who have only heard of WoW, but not even of Everquest, not to mention EQ2.
But as a gamer, the clear winner is EQ2. Because, EQ2 gives you the edge in gaming. It is better in most ways than WoW including graphics, fun factor, depth, sound, whatever. However, I think the world layout, creature placement and character control in WoW is better than EQ2.
I doubt Vanguard will ever be good as EQ2, simply because, it is developed by a smaller and a less experienced development team than EQ2.
Ever hear of a game called EQ1?
Wasn't developed by SOE as you seem to believe, it was developed by Verant which are the same people making Vanguard just known as Sigil now. You are clueless.
I am not a fan of what Vanguard will be, a raiding centric game, but it certainly will be more popular than EQ2 which has failed miserably.
"We feel gold selling and websites that promote it damage games like Vanguard and will do everything possible to combat it."
Brad McQuaid
Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.
Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
www.vanguardsoh
I have Played MMO Since the first day of UO. Does that mean I didn't like WoW... no, I loved WoW. why? because it was finally a game that didn't feel it needed to clutter up the game with so much stuff it became pointless. The game is brilliant in its simplicity. Pluss Unlike most games put out today Blizzard did what it does best, The game is Polished. Right down to the starting menu the game just looks good. It does nothing to take out out of the game, Like every time I start EQ2 I have to look at Dell adds.
Its always been on of my biggest complaints in the game industry is that they don't take the time to really polish their games. EQ2 is a great game, its not a failure by a long shot, but what it failed to do was expand the market. As Much as I love there graphics their interface looks like some 10 year old kid took 5 seconds and that's what he came up with. Where is the art. Although you can download new interfaces which is cool.
Personaly what I would like to see more of from most games is more World Events. In both games it always feels so half assed done. 90% of the events are real life holidays and do nothing to further the story. How is it that I went from 0-60 in both games and feel like I did nothing. I mean EQ2 has it set, Have the players do an event then write a lore book to it when its done and make it available to put in your house so it becomes a piece of history and also put the players names in it on each server so people kinda go down in history. Like MxO or hate it their live events were just cool.
Or like UO add writable books so that players can kinda create their own stories, those were always cool. M^F made some awesome events through those books.
Just because a game is simple doesn't make it bad. Warcraft 1-3 are very simple RTS's which is what made them work so damn well.
I will always say I liked EQ2, I just wish several things
1: No more expansions till you fix the problems already in the game (Like monsters running into walls ARG)
2: More interactive story line that actually changes depending on what people do. I think the lore in EQ has always been one of its strong points so why is it I should feel like Im never taking part of it just static quests.
3: Polish the game a bit more, I would also like to see them change some of the art in the loading screens, give me some lore about the area im entering, something to read while I wait.
If they don't feel like having an event team just give the players more control to do their own. Ohh well its all good, Im glad to hear that EQ2 servers seem to be filling up. Its nice to see them finally make some good changes to the game that everyone seems to like. If they just keep on this route EQ2 will be going for a long time to come. Just why did it take so long to put PVP in the game I mean the game was set up for it from the start, Freeport and Qeynos common its so easy lol
Well I need to drop my two coins in on this again.
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As we all know EQ2 was launched in a state of development I like to refer to as pseudo-beta. The platform was built with the intent to adapt and change based on player and market demands. If you look at it in retrospect it begins to all add up and will continue to get clearer as time progresses. Looks at the basic economy of the MMORPG world and you will see three unique demographics:
Core PvE players
PvP players
Brand lovers (like me)
The core PvE players are the people that grind to the highest level and proceed to raid until all they have left to do is demand more content.
PvP players well this is self explanatory
Brand lovers, these are the people like myself that enjoy the feel of a MMORPG and found one that they really like and tend to stick with it just because for one reason or another they like the game they are playing.
As we all know PvP is by far the biggest subscription base hands down, PvE or your hard core players are all about the challenge of completing the game by countering the obstacles built into the game and represent a small portion of the population and us brand lovers are happy just so long as it is still fun.
SoE obviously planned ahead. EQ2s platform will not be considered average until about 5 years from now when hardware has caught up with the level of performance EQ2 is capable of pumping out. So they sit and wait. They watch how the market moves. They add PvP when WoW is starting to loose its fan base. Then they wait until the next big PvE game comes out. They will lose several PvE players but will be banking on early attrition to regain players with a well times expansion .. the plan marches on.
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I suggest doing some research before posting such inane drivel.
WoW has more subscribers than both Lineage 1 and 2 put together. You could argue that Blizzard only claims that WoW has exceeded 5.5 million, but that number cannot be proven, but the same is true, and, even more so for the Lineage games which are played almost exclusively in Korea through Internet Cybercafes. The method used to count far east sub numbers is duboius at best, down right misleading at worse, but it applies to both games, and more to Lineage since almost all of it's players are Korean.
WoW has around 2 million in the US and Eu, how many does Lineage 1 or 2 have?
As for which game is better. that's just your opinion. I think EQ2 is better than Wow, does that make it the best?
It is the winner for a businessman. But, not for a gamer. As a businessman I would say WoW is clearly the winner. WoW attracted all fans of Blizzard + many people who have never played an MMORPG before and who doesn't know whether there are any other MMORPG other than WoW. Trust me, I know what I am saying because I have many friends who have only heard of WoW, but not even of Everquest, not to mention EQ2.
But as a gamer, the clear winner is EQ2. Because, EQ2 gives you the edge in gaming. It is better in most ways than WoW including graphics, fun factor, depth, sound, whatever. However, I think the world layout, creature placement and character control in WoW is better than EQ2.
I doubt Vanguard will ever be good as EQ2, simply because, it is developed by a smaller and a less experienced development team than EQ2.
Ever hear of a game called EQ1?
Wasn't developed by SOE as you seem to believe, it was developed by Verant which are the same people making Vanguard just known as Sigil now. You are clueless.
I am not a fan of what Vanguard will be, a raiding centric game, but it certainly will be more popular than EQ2 which has failed miserably.
Hmm, I read through the two quotes twice but fail to see where the poster tried to assert that EQ was made by SOE.
I assume you know your history but for those that don't. Brad Mcquaid was lead designer and leading light at Verant, the team that created Everquest. They based the game on existing MUDs of the time, and another game they greatly admired UO. Brad was still a major influence long after SOE took over, changed the logos, and started reshaping the game. By his own admission he had a big hand in the design of content and encounters for expansions like SoL, which many claimed killed EQ, and even the early stages of EQ2.
We can only assume that SOE placed too many limits on what he wanted to do with EQ2 and so quit for form new a development house, Sigil, got the financial backing of Microsoft whilst retaining the creative freedom he wanted. Many of the Sigil team are not ex-EQ however but come from other games, DAOC, Earth and Beyond, even UO, so you cannot assume that Vangaurd will be another EQ clone. In fact Brad has referred many times to games that were the inspiration for certain parts of the game; UO, WoW, SWG all rate a mention. As for raiding, the game is aimed at "hardcore" or core players, small group mainly, but with solo, and raiding content. Only the very best gear will be raid restrcited, but not the content.
Ofcourse dev teams say a great deal in beta that never gets realised at release, just look at Horizons, SWG and EQ2, so it remains to be seen how close they get to their current FAQs and design concept.
Sometimes a film is released that many consider the true sequel to an original classic, same occurred with some games, Black and White is the true sequel to Populous 1 and 2, and Sid Meier's own version of civilisation. Vanguard may well be the true EQ2.
If you dont remember no one liked verant befour sony get EQ.Wen sony got eq people started bashing sony.
People just have to complain.
EQ was a bad game wen it came to stores.Sony made it a beter game.
I cant belive Vanguard will got beter than EQ2
EQ2 is a verry good game,probably the best.EQ2 only problem was to be relesed at the same time has wow
I don't really know about that.
I started playing EQ just before SoL, SOE already well in charge. I think many people think the game improved under SOE, but many also feel it was ruined by them. Most of the latter now frequent the Vanguard forums dreaming about the good ole days of pre-SOE EQ.