You go to great efforts to shill for SC. Kano took fanboyism to another level with AA but you have even exceeded his fanboy level. His efforts for AA are through the roof but yours for SC are way up there in the stratosphere somewhere.
I just dislike people that are either too lazy to read the most basic information about a topic they discuss and/or are intentionally spreading misinformation and lies.
For many months after Star Citizen launched I did not post AT ALL about this topic. Until one day the pile of bullshit posted by the naysayers became so high that someone had to start cleaning that particular Augean stable.
When you shine the light of reason / facts into the dark corners, things scurry away and seek shelter elsewhere. They DO come back, of course, as they always do. But for a time you do not see them in such great numbers.
Originally posted by mayito7777 My great grandkids may see the launch and I dont even have kids yet
More like your kid's, kid's grandkids.
It is more than obvious that trouble is afoot with this project. After all of this time surely something more substantive than airship models and concept art should have been made available to the backers of this venture. The fact that ship models continue to be released for sale and nothing else is telling in and of itself. This type of gullibility and naivete is the stuff that great scams are made of.
I just don't see it happening any time soon and if/when it does release I have a feeling a lot of people are going to be disappointed with the 'finished product'.
He was actually trying to be condescending but failing miserably.
Which is how you feel it .... but topic wise he was still correct. Too many people reading only the headlines are too dumb to understand the difference between infinitely delayed (=cancelled) and indefinitely delayed (delayed until an unspecified time in the near future, could be tomorrow, could be in 3 or 6 months).
And they react like typical doomsayers and predict "the fall of western civilization" (in the form of Star Citizen). On internet forums. Often. Loudly. Braying out their ignorance to the world at large.
I think most reading the word Indefinitely would probably understand that it really just means, until further notice, doesn't mean cancelled, but it could be construed to mean that its not going to be happening any time in the near future.
Although their use of the word indefinitely probably indicates that for whatever reason, there is a problem they are currently unable to resolve, and that a new 'release' date will be provided once they have worked out how to fix it, and also how long it would take to implement that fix.
You go to great efforts to shill for SC. Kano took fanboyism to another level with AA but you have even exceeded his fanboy level. His efforts for AA are through the roof but yours for SC are way up there in the stratosphere somewhere.
I just dislike people that are either too lazy to read the most basic information about a topic they discuss and/or are intentionally spreading misinformation and lies.
For many months after Star Citizen launched I did not post AT ALL about this topic. Until one day the pile of bullshit posted by the naysayers became so high that someone had to start cleaning that particular Augean stable.
When you shine the light of reason / facts into the dark corners, things scurry away and seek shelter elsewhere. They DO come back, of course, as they always do. But for a time you do not see them in such great numbers.
Have fun
There is only one thing, and one thing only, that will make the bullshit go away. And that is truth and clarity. As long as there is no truth and clarity, the bullshit will continue to fly. It is SC's job to provide that truth and clarity, not yours. And it will be an uphill battle for you, if you decide to put it on your shoulders, to provide the truth and clarity that only Roberts, or a qualified person in his stead, can provide. The bullshit flying regarding this project is well founded. There comes a point in time when releasing "for sale" airships, concept art, a pipe dream, and more "for sale" airships, becomes a problem, and that point arrived a long time ago. It's long past due time that SC provided more substantive content that the backers of this project can sink their teeth into. They deserve it.
You go to great efforts to shill for SC. Kano took fanboyism to another level with AA but you have even exceeded his fanboy level. His efforts for AA are through the roof but yours for SC are way up there in the stratosphere somewhere.
I just dislike people that are either too lazy to read the most basic information about a topic they discuss and/or are intentionally spreading misinformation and lies.
For many months after Star Citizen launched I did not post AT ALL about this topic. Until one day the pile of bullshit posted by the naysayers became so high that someone had to start cleaning that particular Augean stable.
When you shine the light of reason / facts into the dark corners, things scurry away and seek shelter elsewhere. They DO come back, of course, as they always do. But for a time you do not see them in such great numbers.
Have fun
truth and clarity. As long as there is no truth and clarity,
You go to great efforts to shill for SC. Kano took fanboyism to another level with AA but you have even exceeded his fanboy level. His efforts for AA are through the roof but yours for SC are way up there in the stratosphere somewhere.
I just dislike people that are either too lazy to read the most basic information about a topic they discuss and/or are intentionally spreading misinformation and lies.
For many months after Star Citizen launched I did not post AT ALL about this topic. Until one day the pile of bullshit posted by the naysayers became so high that someone had to start cleaning that particular Augean stable.
When you shine the light of reason / facts into the dark corners, things scurry away and seek shelter elsewhere. They DO come back, of course, as they always do. But for a time you do not see them in such great numbers.
Have fun
truth and clarity. As long as there is no truth and clarity,
Has anyone outside of the supposed "development team" been able to experience or test any of the above? Are we even in any type of alpha testing stage in this game? Anybody can create a snazzy website and video simulation. How many years has it been again?
You go to great efforts to shill for SC. Kano took fanboyism to another level with AA but you have even exceeded his fanboy level. His efforts for AA are through the roof but yours for SC are way up there in the stratosphere somewhere.
I just dislike people that are either too lazy to read the most basic information about a topic they discuss and/or are intentionally spreading misinformation and lies.
For many months after Star Citizen launched I did not post AT ALL about this topic. Until one day the pile of bullshit posted by the naysayers became so high that someone had to start cleaning that particular Augean stable.
When you shine the light of reason / facts into the dark corners, things scurry away and seek shelter elsewhere. They DO come back, of course, as they always do. But for a time you do not see them in such great numbers.
Have fun
truth and clarity. As long as there is no truth and clarity,
Has anyone outside of the supposed "development team" been able to experience or test any of the above? Are we even in any type of alpha testing stage in this game? Anybody can create a snazzy website and video simulation. How many years has it been again?
Like I said, concept art and a pipe dream.
you just asked for truth and clarity and come back 3 minutes later witout reading the 20+ pages offered?
Answering any of your "questions" is obviously a huge waste of time
I´m not google, do your own homework, using a search engine and youtube is not that hard
You go to great efforts to shill for SC. Kano took fanboyism to another level with AA but you have even exceeded his fanboy level. His efforts for AA are through the roof but yours for SC are way up there in the stratosphere somewhere.
I just dislike people that are either too lazy to read the most basic information about a topic they discuss and/or are intentionally spreading misinformation and lies.
For many months after Star Citizen launched I did not post AT ALL about this topic. Until one day the pile of bullshit posted by the naysayers became so high that someone had to start cleaning that particular Augean stable.
When you shine the light of reason / facts into the dark corners, things scurry away and seek shelter elsewhere. They DO come back, of course, as they always do. But for a time you do not see them in such great numbers.
Have fun
truth and clarity. As long as there is no truth and clarity,
Has anyone outside of the supposed "development team" been able to experience or test any of the above? Are we even in any type of alpha testing stage in this game? Anybody can create a snazzy website and video simulation. How many years has it been again?
Like I said, concept art and a pipe dream.
you just asked for truth and clarity and come back 3 minutes later witout reading the 20+ pages offered?
Answering any of your "questions" is obviously a huge waste of time
I´m not google, do your own homework, using a search engine and youtube is not that hard
I've already read all of that. Probably well before you did. You assume too much. You are under the misguided opinion that only you and Erillion have been the only people keeping up with this game. Guess again. You two and a few others, however, may be the only ones blinded by it.
You go to great efforts to shill for SC. Kano took fanboyism to another level with AA but you have even exceeded his fanboy level. His efforts for AA are through the roof but yours for SC are way up there in the stratosphere somewhere.
I just dislike people that are either too lazy to read the most basic information about a topic they discuss and/or are intentionally spreading misinformation and lies.
For many months after Star Citizen launched I did not post AT ALL about this topic. Until one day the pile of bullshit posted by the naysayers became so high that someone had to start cleaning that particular Augean stable.
When you shine the light of reason / facts into the dark corners, things scurry away and seek shelter elsewhere. They DO come back, of course, as they always do. But for a time you do not see them in such great numbers.
Have fun
I really don't hope you think you are the light of reason.
I will admit you post a lot of links for people to read up on but you also post a lot of things that are just helping to make a different pile of bullshit higher.
Originally posted by thundercles The $170 I have invested in the development has already been paid back in the entertainment value of watching the white knights and haters going at it. And we still have a long way to go!
Hmm, I got the same entertainment for free. No need to pay for that fun.
HAHA! I now find even more satisfaction knowing that my contribution goes toward giving others a good time too! Can I write it off a charitable giving?
ah ha ha funny internet hyperbole by armchair developers who have no clue how long it takes to make an MMO from scratch.
You´re now in the Derek Smart camp, hope you enjoy your new company ;D
Real quick, Star Citizen is:
A rich universe focused on epic space adventure, trading and dogfighting in first person.
Single Player – Offline or Online(Drop in / Drop out co-op play)
Persistent Universe (hosted by US)
Mod-able multiplayer (hosted by YOU)
No Subscriptions
No Pay to Win
Star Citizen brings the visceral action of piloting interstellar craft through combat and exploration to a new generation of gamers at a level of fidelity never before seen. At its coreStar Citizen is a destination, not a one-off story. It's a complete universe where any number of adventures can take place, allowing players to decide their own game experience. Pick up jobs as a smuggler, pirate, merchant, bounty hunter, or enlist as a pilot, protecting the borders from outside threats. Chris Roberts has always wanted to create one cohesive universe that encompasses everything that made Wing Commander and Privateer / Freelancer special. A huge sandbox with a complex and deep lore allowing players to explore or play in whatever capacity they wish. That universe is Star Citizen.
The people who pledge for their spaceships will get to test-fly them long before the general public. 12 months in, we will allow the early backers to play the multiplayer space combat Alpha, and then 20-22 months in they will get to play the Star Citizen Beta, adventuring around the huge open galaxy, well before the general public.
The purpose of the higher stretch goals is to ensure that the game-as-described is finished in the two year time period. We intend to build the game that Chris Roberts described at GDC Online regardless, but without additional funding we are going to have to do it one piece at a time, starting with Squadron 42, rather than as a single larger production. With more funding we can include more ships, systems, unique locations, animations and cinematic sequences.
You go to great efforts to shill for SC. Kano took fanboyism to another level with AA but you have even exceeded his fanboy level. His efforts for AA are through the roof but yours for SC are way up there in the stratosphere somewhere.
I just dislike people that are either too lazy to read the most basic information about a topic they discuss and/or are intentionally spreading misinformation and lies.
For many months after Star Citizen launched I did not post AT ALL about this topic. Until one day the pile of bullshit posted by the naysayers became so high that someone had to start cleaning that particular Augean stable.
When you shine the light of reason / facts into the dark corners, things scurry away and seek shelter elsewhere. They DO come back, of course, as they always do. But for a time you do not see them in such great numbers.
Have fun
truth and clarity. As long as there is no truth and clarity,
In one post he says they were confident that they could release the FPS module shortly after pax east ended in april. In another he says that the module has felt fun for the first time in months. Are you seeing the disconnect? What part is truth and what part is just the sleazy used car salesman talking?
when CR himself can't stick to his own release schedule.
"RSI agrees to use its good faith business efforts to deliver to you the pledge items and the Game on or before the estimated delivery date communicated to you on the Website. However, you acknowledge and agree that delivery as of such date is not a firm promise and may be extended by RSI since unforeseen events may extend the development and/or production time."
If you do not like it, do not sign it. And before jcrg99 pipes in ... the quoted part above has NOT changed since 2012.
Have fun
They can be easily proven as acting in bad faith on business.
Promissing something to a customer, an individual who signed this deal between him and the company, and refusing to pursuit to deliver that plan because want more money or whatever IS bad faith on business.
Unless every single individual had approved the change. I think that CIG does not have such kind of evidence that ALL backers voted in their pathetic polls.
You go to great efforts to shill for SC. Kano took fanboyism to another level with AA but you have even exceeded his fanboy level. His efforts for AA are through the roof but yours for SC are way up there in the stratosphere somewhere.
I just dislike people that are either too lazy to read the most basic information about a topic they discuss and/or are intentionally spreading misinformation and lies.
For many months after Star Citizen launched I did not post AT ALL about this topic. Until one day the pile of bullshit posted by the naysayers became so high that someone had to start cleaning that particular Augean stable.
When you shine the light of reason / facts into the dark corners, things scurry away and seek shelter elsewhere. They DO come back, of course, as they always do. But for a time you do not see them in such great numbers.
Have fun
truth and clarity. As long as there is no truth and clarity,
In one post he says they were confident that they could release the FPS module shortly after pax east ended in april. In another he says that the module has felt fun for the first time in months. Are you seeing the disconnect? What part is truth and what part is just the sleazy used car salesman talking?
Where he sees substance, I see a whole lot of BS. For the tens of millions of dollars that they have received in this scam .. er .. venture, I could have hired a professional web designer and graphical game designer who would have done a much more convincing job.
I am a backer of SC, but only on a small scale. I bought a 60 buck package..and that is it. So I've purchased a game off the shelf, so to speak, before it was ready for the shelf. How people can pull the trigger on truckload of cash beyond what should be the base game price for something that isn't real yet is beyond me, but to each there own. Just goes to show how bad games have become lately that so many people are willing to throw money at the idea of SC.
That being said, what do you think devs are doing when they take 5 years to make a game? slowly building assets and writing code for one iteration of the final product??? NO! we build shit..and it turns out to be shit, so we rebuild and retune, iteration after iteration. Honestly, what is happening with the FPS module is biz as usual for development. You are asked to make something, you lay out a plan and a time table...then shit just goes right out the window.
Ever tell someone something and they glass over, so you have to rephrase the question/statement and suddenly they get it? That's code...if I write it this way, the engine should work...well shit, it got mixed up with something i said earlier, now i must rephrase to keep it doing what i want it doing without pissing off what was already doing...damn it, not it completely doesn't understand me at all...F*ckberries...rinse, repeat, scream...
What IS different is you have CR unwisely telling a room full of people that the module will be ready by date X before its actually ready. All he did by doing that is ensure that jerks like me are going to have a lot of Crunch time. When you say something will be released by X...it should basically already be ready for release when you announced it, save for polish. Now in fairness, he does say that all of this is subject to change, because he has done this before and knows what a bastard development can be...but still, this is the way developing is and he's putting a stoplight on it...the good and the bad.
If the world of the software/game development was just like you said... we always would see only bad software, bad game, etc. etc. For all that there is "Management", focus and plans to minimize this natural thing about coding, or piece of shit on art.
We are in 2015. You are talking about issues of 1970. If you are still having this rework/redesign/remake... sorry... you just never updated yourself, or your team. There is no really excuses these days for such level of crap, except BAD management and plan.
All the games with issues came from 2 reasons:
- Bad management
- Bad marketing
Star Citizen project is one of the worst in BOTH. How can this end working? No. It can't and won't.
Sorry. I would love to be wrong but I am not. Neither Derek Smart (which definitely proven along the years be so terrible manager as Roberts is).
Originally posted by thundercles The $170 I have invested in the development has already been paid back in the entertainment value of watching the white knights and haters going at it. And we still have a long way to go!
I am sure that it will be the only promise that CR actually will fullfill completely.
He promised to make the ride even better than the game. His speech in the earlier days
I am a backer of SC, but only on a small scale. I bought a 60 buck package..and that is it. So I've purchased a game off the shelf, so to speak, before it was ready for the shelf. How people can pull the trigger on truckload of cash beyond what should be the base game price for something that isn't real yet is beyond me, but to each there own. Just goes to show how bad games have become lately that so many people are willing to throw money at the idea of SC.
That being said, what do you think devs are doing when they take 5 years to make a game? slowly building assets and writing code for one iteration of the final product??? NO! we build shit..and it turns out to be shit, so we rebuild and retune, iteration after iteration. Honestly, what is happening with the FPS module is biz as usual for development. You are asked to make something, you lay out a plan and a time table...then shit just goes right out the window.
Ever tell someone something and they glass over, so you have to rephrase the question/statement and suddenly they get it? That's code...if I write it this way, the engine should work...well shit, it got mixed up with something i said earlier, now i must rephrase to keep it doing what i want it doing without pissing off what was already doing...damn it, not it completely doesn't understand me at all...F*ckberries...rinse, repeat, scream...
What IS different is you have CR unwisely telling a room full of people that the module will be ready by date X before its actually ready. All he did by doing that is ensure that jerks like me are going to have a lot of Crunch time. When you say something will be released by X...it should basically already be ready for release when you announced it, save for polish. Now in fairness, he does say that all of this is subject to change, because he has done this before and knows what a bastard development can be...but still, this is the way developing is and he's putting a stoplight on it...the good and the bad.
If the world of the software/game development was just like you said... we always would see only bad software, bad game, etc. etc. For all that there is "Management", focus and plans to minimize this natural thing about coding, or piece of shit on art.
We are in 2015. You are talking about issues of 1970. If you are still having this rework/redesign/remake... sorry... you just never updated yourself, or your team. There is no really excuses these days for such level of crap, except BAD management and plan.
Exactly what i thought, 1970 indeed. Obviously this self proclaimed developer has never heard of six sigma and it's use in Software development. He thinks writing software is an iterative process which tells me he is most likely a self taught script coder that uses Unity.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
you just asked for truth and clarity and come back 3 minutes later witout reading the 20+ pages offered?
This reminds me of the Illuminati on TSW.
"We aren't hiding information from the public anymore like we used to. You are free to post the secrets of the universe - we will just spam unrelated stuff until your post ends up on Google page 20 and no one will ever find it."
Just because a company is spamming information doesn't mean it has any relevance.
Locking this because it's mostly serving as a place for redundant commentary about the ships sold and delays. Additionally, the question has been answered.
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I just dislike people that are either too lazy to read the most basic information about a topic they discuss and/or are intentionally spreading misinformation and lies.
For many months after Star Citizen launched I did not post AT ALL about this topic. Until one day the pile of bullshit posted by the naysayers became so high that someone had to start cleaning that particular Augean stable.
When you shine the light of reason / facts into the dark corners, things scurry away and seek shelter elsewhere. They DO come back, of course, as they always do. But for a time you do not see them in such great numbers.
Have fun
More like your kid's, kid's grandkids.
It is more than obvious that trouble is afoot with this project. After all of this time surely something more substantive than airship models and concept art should have been made available to the backers of this venture. The fact that ship models continue to be released for sale and nothing else is telling in and of itself. This type of gullibility and naivete is the stuff that great scams are made of.
I think most reading the word Indefinitely would probably understand that it really just means, until further notice, doesn't mean cancelled, but it could be construed to mean that its not going to be happening any time in the near future.
Although their use of the word indefinitely probably indicates that for whatever reason, there is a problem they are currently unable to resolve, and that a new 'release' date will be provided once they have worked out how to fix it, and also how long it would take to implement that fix.
There is only one thing, and one thing only, that will make the bullshit go away. And that is truth and clarity. As long as there is no truth and clarity, the bullshit will continue to fly. It is SC's job to provide that truth and clarity, not yours. And it will be an uphill battle for you, if you decide to put it on your shoulders, to provide the truth and clarity that only Roberts, or a qualified person in his stead, can provide. The bullshit flying regarding this project is well founded. There comes a point in time when releasing "for sale" airships, concept art, a pipe dream, and more "for sale" airships, becomes a problem, and that point arrived a long time ago. It's long past due time that SC provided more substantive content that the backers of this project can sink their teeth into. They deserve it.
there you go buddy, you can thank me later
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14814-Monthly-Report
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14815-Star-Marine-Status-Update
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14803-Letter-From-The-Chairman
come back tomorrow when you´ve finished reading
Has anyone outside of the supposed "development team" been able to experience or test any of the above? Are we even in any type of alpha testing stage in this game? Anybody can create a snazzy website and video simulation. How many years has it been again?
Like I said, concept art and a pipe dream.
you just asked for truth and clarity and come back 3 minutes later witout reading the 20+ pages offered?
Answering any of your "questions" is obviously a huge waste of time
I´m not google, do your own homework, using a search engine and youtube is not that hard
I've already read all of that. Probably well before you did. You assume too much. You are under the misguided opinion that only you and Erillion have been the only people keeping up with this game. Guess again. You two and a few others, however, may be the only ones blinded by it.
I really don't hope you think you are the light of reason.
I will admit you post a lot of links for people to read up on but you also post a lot of things that are just helping to make a different pile of bullshit higher.
HAHA! I now find even more satisfaction knowing that my contribution goes toward giving others a good time too! Can I write it off a charitable giving?
Real quick, Star Citizen is:
The purpose of the higher stretch goals is to ensure that the game-as-described is finished in the two year time period. We intend to build the game that Chris Roberts described at GDC Online regardless, but without additional funding we are going to have to do it one piece at a time, starting with Squadron 42, rather than as a single larger production. With more funding we can include more ships, systems, unique locations, animations and cinematic sequences.
_____________________________________________________________________________________
So... Would be Chris Roberts then an armchair developer who have no clue how long it takes to make an MMO from scratch?
In one post he says they were confident that they could release the FPS module shortly after pax east ended in april. In another he says that the module has felt fun for the first time in months. Are you seeing the disconnect? What part is truth and what part is just the sleazy used car salesman talking?
They can be easily proven as acting in bad faith on business.
Promissing something to a customer, an individual who signed this deal between him and the company, and refusing to pursuit to deliver that plan because want more money or whatever IS bad faith on business.
Unless every single individual had approved the change. I think that CIG does not have such kind of evidence that ALL backers voted in their pathetic polls.
Where he sees substance, I see a whole lot of BS. For the tens of millions of dollars that they have received in this scam .. er .. venture, I could have hired a professional web designer and graphical game designer who would have done a much more convincing job.
If the world of the software/game development was just like you said... we always would see only bad software, bad game, etc. etc. For all that there is "Management", focus and plans to minimize this natural thing about coding, or piece of shit on art.
We are in 2015. You are talking about issues of 1970. If you are still having this rework/redesign/remake... sorry... you just never updated yourself, or your team. There is no really excuses these days for such level of crap, except BAD management and plan.
All the games with issues came from 2 reasons:
- Bad management
- Bad marketing
Star Citizen project is one of the worst in BOTH. How can this end working? No. It can't and won't.
Sorry. I would love to be wrong but I am not. Neither Derek Smart (which definitely proven along the years be so terrible manager as Roberts is).
I am sure that it will be the only promise that CR actually will fullfill completely.
He promised to make the ride even better than the game. His speech in the earlier days
Exactly what i thought, 1970 indeed. Obviously this self proclaimed developer has never heard of six sigma and it's use in Software development. He thinks writing software is an iterative process which tells me he is most likely a self taught script coder that uses Unity.
That was a good laugh!
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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This reminds me of the Illuminati on TSW.
"We aren't hiding information from the public anymore like we used to. You are free to post the secrets of the universe - we will just spam unrelated stuff until your post ends up on Google page 20 and no one will ever find it."
Just because a company is spamming information doesn't mean it has any relevance.
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