He's not threatening a teen, he's threatening legal action, there is a huge difference. Your approach says nothing more than, give them the power they want, so I can play a game.. Completely asinine...
Sorry, but all I see is "So I'm coming for you Julius." in a Twitter message.
I'm not paying for PS2 so some president of a computer game company can go crusade against black hat hackers. I'm paying for a service and they can't provide that service because their president didn't know what the better part of valour is. You want to start legal action against some kid and his family? Do that discretely.
Would you feel the same if those hackers got your personal information, including credit card and they used it to either steal your identity or put you through months of financial burden as the banks try to reverse the damage? Do you realize the amount of effort it requires to fix issues that show up on your credit report, even when it's a clear cut case of identity theft? I love how many people on here act so nonchalantly about these issues when they haven't had to deal with the repercussions. Having been the victim of credit fraud several times now, I have absolutely no sympathy for anyone who perpetrates such crimes nor the people who support it through inaction and disinterest. I can only hope that this guy and his buddies and any like them eventually get what they truly deserve, severe punishment. More often than not, public discourse and humiliation do more to stop crime than "discreet" dealings with lawyers.
Banks, credit unions, large retailers get hacked all the time. Many of those hackers get caught, although few outside of inner finanacial circles realize that hackers are indeed caught regularly with little to no fanfare.
Now, imagine the CEO's of CitiBank, Neihman Marcus, etc. grandstanding on twitter daring the cretins to hit them again.
Those CEO's would be out of a job within 24 hours.
What happened to Smed personally sucks, and he has a right to be mad. But John Smedley does not represent only John Smedley the person or even his family, he represents a global company and a parent investment firm with hundreds of thousands of customers who bear the brunt of the retaliation from his unprofessional theatrics.
There's nothing unprofessional about sharing an opinion on what has transpired, nor laying out exactly what has happened to you as well as others. Nor advocating for a harsher penalty than a slap on the wrist and time out from PCs. Again placing that blame on his shoulders, is playing right into these hackers hands, they want the picture to be on Smedley rather than the acts that have happened against him as well as his business. You really believe some peoples game time is more important than bringing awareness to how detrimental these acts are, as well as bringing greater punishment against them?
If all you have to worry about is essentially time in a corner and a smack on the behind, what's to stop these attacks from increasing? The punishment for it is nothing more than what a teenager gets for coming home too late.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
If your hate for a person who ruined your worthless video game life is so deep that you can't see how serious the crimes committed against him are, you need not throw stones for your little glass house. You're probably a much bigger piece of filh than you think Smed is.
If you think this is hate, you have no concept of what hate is.
I think JS did something very foolish that is hindering their paying customers from enjoying their services due to a very personal matter. No offense to JS, but I honestly don't care what happend to him, if I did I would also need to care about every other injustice in the world (and there are a lot of those), if I did that I would go nuts and would be very depressed. I care about what and who I interact with. That said, what they did to him is horrible, but it's also why he is paid the big bucks. He is the lightningrod of a company, not only internally, but also externally. If you don't want stalkers and creeps, don't get famous, don't hold a position of 'power'.
If your hate for a person who ruined your worthless video game life is so deep that you can't see how serious the crimes committed against him are, you need not throw stones for your little glass house. You're probably a much bigger piece of filh than you think Smed is.
If you think this is hate, you have no concept of what hate is.
I think JS did something very foolish that is hindering their paying customers from enjoying their services due to a very personal matter.
Sorry to re-post this question and point, but it is pertinent to this sentence...
You really believe some peoples game time is more important than bringing awareness to how detrimental these acts are, as well as bringing greater punishment against them?
If all you have to worry about is essentially time in a corner and a smack on the behind, what's to stop these attacks from increasing? The punishment for it is nothing more than what a teenager gets for coming home too late.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Christ people are actually blaming Smedley for criminal activity?? absolute nonsense i am no Smedley fan but he is 1000% right on this. Remarkable blame the victim mentality displayed here.
He has every right to speak out against this activity and behavior. And some of you are actually trying to say his opinion is illegal in some way?. It is not illegal for private citizens to remark about public matters including court proceedings,nor is it illegal to call someone a douchebag or call them out on their behavior.
Its actually the right thing to do. In fact it's entirely appropriate for gamers in general to speak out against this kind of thing. The absolute legal ignorance on some of these issues is damn scary.
It`s amusing to observe Smed`s tweets evolving from "piece of garbage", "little dirtbag" and rape wishes via (only relatively) civil reddit post yesterday to today`s surprisingly modest "looks like we are getting hit again. Sorry folks."
I guess his Russian masters talked to him in the meantime.
There's nothing unprofessional about sharing an opinion on what has transpired, nor laying out exactly what has happened to you as well as others. Nor advocating for a harsher penalty than a slap on the wrist and time out from PCs. Again placing that blame on his shoulders, is playing right into these hackers hands, they want the picture to be on Smedley rather than the acts that have happened against him as well as his business. You really believe some peoples game time is more important than bringing awareness to how detrimental these acts are, as well as bringing greater punishment against them?
If all you have to worry about his essentially time in a corner and a smack on the behind, what's to stop these attacks from increasing? The punishment for it is paramount to what a teenager gets for coming home too late.
Yes it's unprofessional, he went on a personal rant in a public place (Twitter). There's a difference between stating an opinion and ranting in 140 characters or less.
The kid got a slap on the wrists because it was his first offense as a minor for a 'minor' crime (infecting 50,000 computers), this was not for all his other crimes. I suspect that those will follow and will be punished a lot more severly. Although not by US standards. Other countries do have their own laws, some more severe, others less severe, but judging them by your own standards isn't going to fly.
A minor convicted of 50,000 infected computers isn't going to be extradited to the US. A minor charged with terrorism in the US might... Although that might also be problematic because most Europeans don't like the US legal system by default, so it might not be politically expediant.
There's nothing unprofessional about sharing an opinion on what has transpired, nor laying out exactly what has happened to you as well as others. Nor advocating for a harsher penalty than a slap on the wrist and time out from PCs. Again placing that blame on his shoulders, is playing right into these hackers hands, they want the picture to be on Smedley rather than the acts that have happened against him as well as his business. You really believe some peoples game time is more important than bringing awareness to how detrimental these acts are, as well as bringing greater punishment against them?
If all you have to worry about his essentially time in a corner and a smack on the behind, what's to stop these attacks from increasing? The punishment for it is paramount to what a teenager gets for coming home too late.
Yes it's unprofessional, he went on a personal rant in a public place (Twitter). There's a difference between stating an opinion and ranting in 140 characters or less.
The kid got a slap on the wrists because it was his first offense as a minor for a 'minor' crime (infecting 50,000 computers), this was not for all his other crimes. I suspect that those will follow and will be punished a lot more severly. Although not by US standards. Other countries do have their own laws, some more severe, others less severe, but judging them by your own standards isn't going to fly.
A minor convicted of 50,000 infected computers isn't going to be extradited to the US. A minor charged with terrorism in the US might... Although that might also be problematic because most Europeans don't like the US legal system by default, so it might not be politically expediant.
I don't care what country you're from, there is nothing bad about stating opinions, expressing concern, nor laying out your own options.... That's what you call a rant? His post seemed pretty even tempered to me, considering the circumstances. If it were me I'd be fuming.
All that very well may be, change always starts somewhere though, the issue I'm expressing though is blaming smed for sharing his side of the story, and siding with the attackers as if they had a right to attack back in the manner they did, all in the name of some peoples game-time. It makes no sense. Unless it's all for an excuse to blame SMed.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
You really believe some peoples game time is more important than bringing awareness to how detrimental these acts are, as well as bringing greater punishment against them?
If all you have to worry about is essentially time in a corner and a smack on the behind, what's to stop these attacks from increasing? The punishment for it is nothing more than what a teenager gets for coming home too late.
It's not up to folks in the US to dictate what the laws are in another country (aka. Finland). The EU might eventually have a say in what it's member states do about sentencing criminals, but not yet (as the Netherlands is an EU member, as is Finland, we might eventually have something to say about it through our representation).
Sorry, I don't need awareness shoved through my throat, I'm aware enough, thank-you-very-much!
This isn't about blaming JS for criminal activity perpertrated by others, it's about JS acting out and we having to live with the consequences. Might the reptile kids have DDOSed the site eventually again, probably, but certainly not now if JS held his trap shut.
There was absolutely no reason for JS to say that by Twitter. Except for venting, and Twitter is a horrible medium for that! As a president of an MMO company he should know better, everything you say on the Internet is immortalized.
You see someone racing to the intersection, but you still cross the crosspath, the car hits you. Your in the right, the car is in the wrong, but your still hit by the car. And in this case there is a stadium with 100,000 folks waiting and wondering where the entertainment is. Those folks don't care who is right and who is wrong, the entertainer crossed the road without considering the consequences. They would want a refund for that evenings entertainment.
In this case I din't want to go see JS, JS wasn't hit by a car, but by a DDOS attack and I'm left wondering where tonights entertainment is. So instead of winding down solving ICT issues, I'm stuck here with you guys... And I'm still wondering where tonights entertainment is... ;-)
ps. I appologise for any spelling errors, this bloody board doesn't work with changing spelling languages while typing in a message.
My friend put it best: "CEO Thug vs. internet troll kiddies. This shit is fierce. Popcorn time"
Or... the tracking gear and proper agencies are now in place, time to set the bait.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
He never specifically targeted us, but he let the water run, flooding the whole neighborhood. And then picking up that lightningrod while standing in the water, guess what happened to the neighborhood...
I'm pretty sure JS is cursing himself by now, things like "Not smart!" and "Shouldn't do that again!"are probably running through his mind. But presidents and CEOs aren't the kind of people who say mea culpa...
Not 'my fault' for someone else doing a DDOS, but for saying something you knew would have those consequences.
He never specifically targeted us, but he let the water run, flooding the whole neighborhood. And then picking up that lightningrod while standing in the water, guess what happened to the neighborhood...
I'm pretty sure JS is cursing himself by now, things like "Not smart!" and "Shouldn't do that again!"are probably running through his mind. But presidents and CEOs aren't the kind of people who say mea culpa...
Not 'my fault' for someone else doing a DDOS, but for saying something you knew would have those consequences.
Indeed, internet is full of heroes as you described them, and Smed is just one of these.
what's up with the tough guy lets fight in real life rebuttal?
I sometimes use people's confrontational attitude to make them back down (and let them take a more demure attitude), works like a charm in RL. A customer threatens you with violence, you invite him to a round of fistycuffs in the parking lot, but after closing because all those other customers want to go home before closing. To date no one has tried it (and I checked the parking lot). It helps when you mean it... *grins evily*
It might also be a cultural thing, when I say "I'll slap you silly if you don't stop harassing me!" I usually slap them silly when they don't stop harassing me. Doesn't happen anymore though...
Maybe it would be best when folks don't use phrasing that includes physical violence that someone might interpret in the wrong way... Or omnious terms like "I'm coming for you!"... Unless you want the ambiguity to confuse people.
The boy is 17! This is not some US prison colony where your life is over when you do something stupid as a stupid teen. Not that this teen boy was especially stupid but all teens are stupid because all do something stupid. Should you make him pay for the rest of his life for it? imo: Hellz no!
Sure, he needs some form of punishment because it's one thing to hack into other peoples computers and have fun with it (stuff we did way back then *cough* company ftp *cough*) but another to do stuff like CC fraud and all those other "nice" things he did. Yeah those 2 years probation might not be enough but it is a way for him to learn and not destroy his future completly. If he does stuff like this again he is gone for years but not on the first strike.
And about the Smed thing, bad idea to screw with a hacking grp who just lost a member. No matter what that person/group might have done to you or especially if they did something to you, you should know how they will react. Shame that the players have to suffer for it. Not saying that the complaints aren't appropriate. Just... when someone has a gun it might not be the best idea to provoke them..
The amount of people in here cheering for these little shits is baffling.
This place really is a cesspool.
Here here.
Personally, I think that if the allegations made by Smed are true, the people involved should be charged to the same degree of severity as murderers, rapists, and child molesters. People that have no comprehension or concern over the damage they can cause to another persons life, should have the quality of theirs removed.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
maybe Smed needs to reconsider how he treats people. These guys didn't come after him out of the blue for no reason.
sounds a bit like Karma to me
This group isn't like Anonymous they have come out as saying there is no motive here but the LOLZ. They're not just attacking Smed they're attacking many other institutions, as well as swatting individuals, they're on no moral crusade, and claim to no such thing, they're just doing it because they can, and with no real penalty in it for them, they'll be doing it more often, you can be sure of that.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Interesting debate; One side you have a CEO who feels that he should lambast everyone with his personal opinions that is detrimental to his company and the culture said company has spent developing. With the singular belief that he can spout whatever his first amendment allows him to, whilst openly admitting his gonna make the rest of the life of the person who made his life hell, and that of his family, and that he honk said parents should be punished too.
Last time I checked, our sins are our own.
Thus any legal crime commited belong to said individual who commited them.
nobody went after the family if criminals cause if we legally did, society would collapse, and allowing such precedent to come to pass would be the first step to anarchy.
And as to the point said kids action affected US Buissness and US economy thus he should be tried in US courts. That's probably the dumbest statement ever. You start that shit, you asking for the same thing for other countries to do the same.
Guess what, lots of American companies screw with economies of other countries. You want them to be charged in said country and face their judicial system? System which enforce the death penalty for what other countries and individual could consider a white collar crime?
Just cause we live in the certain 1st world counties does not give us the arbitrary right to be judge and jury on how other contries run their jucidcal systems, if Finland believes that justice is served as far as their system is concerned then so be it.
After all the US has done the same thing when it came to crimes commited by the crazy gunman who killed a load of toddlers, gun man was blamed not the fact that it's easy to buy a gun in Walmart and pick 100s of bullets at a time. Did the US justice system bother going after the gun companies, or just make a taken gesture.
In Australia guns are illegal, thus virtually no gun crime, to get a gun there you have to pay $34k, same fun would cost $1k in US.
So if your gonna persecute parents for their children's crimes, perhaps the US should get it's own own in order before you lot say he should be tried in US courts.
When it comes to the law, it's never really about the law, it's about who can get away with the most and what will earn more cash.
If guns were impossible to get hold of in US, the economy would take a massive hit, that they couldn't recover from.
So be realistic people in your belief that you are owed something, you as individuals are not important and actions will only be taken if the ones in power believe there is some profit for them to be gained to peruse said action.
The kid will pay as far as his country is concerned and that is fair, no one else no smed not the US have any right to instigate further actions, to do so would instigate a vicious cycle. It's why each country has it's own laws, and you obey them or face the consequences.
Personally I believe that if smed does pursue making the lives of the family of this kids misery then he in turn should be charged with terrorism, just cause one person is rich and has lawyers to help him traverse the legal loop holes to make the parents lives a living hell doesn't make it right.
(Sorry for the meandering thoughts, just trying to say no ones above the law, and the law has upheld, further actions by smed to go after the parents would be wrong and doing so makes him worse than the kid that did him harm, as Jesus and Luther king said, "turn the other cheek". So be the bigger man smed and stop being a dick for once in your life and let it go, leave the kids family out of it, you already know what it's like no need to do it yourself, wanna punish the kid and the group he is a part of, go ahead via legal means, but don't go over the top, there is justice and there is being a spiteful rich dick).
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Would you feel the same if those hackers got your personal information, including credit card and they used it to either steal your identity or put you through months of financial burden as the banks try to reverse the damage? Do you realize the amount of effort it requires to fix issues that show up on your credit report, even when it's a clear cut case of identity theft? I love how many people on here act so nonchalantly about these issues when they haven't had to deal with the repercussions. Having been the victim of credit fraud several times now, I have absolutely no sympathy for anyone who perpetrates such crimes nor the people who support it through inaction and disinterest. I can only hope that this guy and his buddies and any like them eventually get what they truly deserve, severe punishment. More often than not, public discourse and humiliation do more to stop crime than "discreet" dealings with lawyers.
There's nothing unprofessional about sharing an opinion on what has transpired, nor laying out exactly what has happened to you as well as others. Nor advocating for a harsher penalty than a slap on the wrist and time out from PCs. Again placing that blame on his shoulders, is playing right into these hackers hands, they want the picture to be on Smedley rather than the acts that have happened against him as well as his business. You really believe some peoples game time is more important than bringing awareness to how detrimental these acts are, as well as bringing greater punishment against them?
If all you have to worry about is essentially time in a corner and a smack on the behind, what's to stop these attacks from increasing? The punishment for it is nothing more than what a teenager gets for coming home too late.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
If you think this is hate, you have no concept of what hate is.
I think JS did something very foolish that is hindering their paying customers from enjoying their services due to a very personal matter. No offense to JS, but I honestly don't care what happend to him, if I did I would also need to care about every other injustice in the world (and there are a lot of those), if I did that I would go nuts and would be very depressed. I care about what and who I interact with. That said, what they did to him is horrible, but it's also why he is paid the big bucks. He is the lightningrod of a company, not only internally, but also externally. If you don't want stalkers and creeps, don't get famous, don't hold a position of 'power'.
Sorry to re-post this question and point, but it is pertinent to this sentence...
You really believe some peoples game time is more important than bringing awareness to how detrimental these acts are, as well as bringing greater punishment against them?
If all you have to worry about is essentially time in a corner and a smack on the behind, what's to stop these attacks from increasing? The punishment for it is nothing more than what a teenager gets for coming home too late.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Christ people are actually blaming Smedley for criminal activity?? absolute nonsense i am no Smedley fan but he is 1000% right on this. Remarkable blame the victim mentality displayed here.
He has every right to speak out against this activity and behavior. And some of you are actually trying to say his opinion is illegal in some way?. It is not illegal for private citizens to remark about public matters including court proceedings,nor is it illegal to call someone a douchebag or call them out on their behavior.
Its actually the right thing to do. In fact it's entirely appropriate for gamers in general to speak out against this kind of thing. The absolute legal ignorance on some of these issues is damn scary.
It`s amusing to observe Smed`s tweets evolving from "piece of garbage", "little dirtbag" and rape wishes via (only relatively) civil reddit post yesterday to today`s surprisingly modest "looks like we are getting hit again. Sorry folks."
I guess his Russian masters talked to him in the meantime.
Yes it's unprofessional, he went on a personal rant in a public place (Twitter). There's a difference between stating an opinion and ranting in 140 characters or less.
The kid got a slap on the wrists because it was his first offense as a minor for a 'minor' crime (infecting 50,000 computers), this was not for all his other crimes. I suspect that those will follow and will be punished a lot more severly. Although not by US standards. Other countries do have their own laws, some more severe, others less severe, but judging them by your own standards isn't going to fly.
A minor convicted of 50,000 infected computers isn't going to be extradited to the US. A minor charged with terrorism in the US might... Although that might also be problematic because most Europeans don't like the US legal system by default, so it might not be politically expediant.
I don't care what country you're from, there is nothing bad about stating opinions, expressing concern, nor laying out your own options.... That's what you call a rant? His post seemed pretty even tempered to me, considering the circumstances. If it were me I'd be fuming.
All that very well may be, change always starts somewhere though, the issue I'm expressing though is blaming smed for sharing his side of the story, and siding with the attackers as if they had a right to attack back in the manner they did, all in the name of some peoples game-time. It makes no sense. Unless it's all for an excuse to blame SMed.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Well that was my point. We always have to make sure that we address injustice even though there can be a backlash.
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It's not up to folks in the US to dictate what the laws are in another country (aka. Finland). The EU might eventually have a say in what it's member states do about sentencing criminals, but not yet (as the Netherlands is an EU member, as is Finland, we might eventually have something to say about it through our representation).
Sorry, I don't need awareness shoved through my throat, I'm aware enough, thank-you-very-much!
This isn't about blaming JS for criminal activity perpertrated by others, it's about JS acting out and we having to live with the consequences. Might the reptile kids have DDOSed the site eventually again, probably, but certainly not now if JS held his trap shut.
There was absolutely no reason for JS to say that by Twitter. Except for venting, and Twitter is a horrible medium for that! As a president of an MMO company he should know better, everything you say on the Internet is immortalized.
You see someone racing to the intersection, but you still cross the crosspath, the car hits you. Your in the right, the car is in the wrong, but your still hit by the car. And in this case there is a stadium with 100,000 folks waiting and wondering where the entertainment is. Those folks don't care who is right and who is wrong, the entertainer crossed the road without considering the consequences. They would want a refund for that evenings entertainment.
In this case I din't want to go see JS, JS wasn't hit by a car, but by a DDOS attack and I'm left wondering where tonights entertainment is. So instead of winding down solving ICT issues, I'm stuck here with you guys... And I'm still wondering where tonights entertainment is... ;-)
ps. I appologise for any spelling errors, this bloody board doesn't work with changing spelling languages while typing in a message.
Or... the tracking gear and proper agencies are now in place, time to set the bait.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
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He never specifically targeted us, but he let the water run, flooding the whole neighborhood. And then picking up that lightningrod while standing in the water, guess what happened to the neighborhood...
I'm pretty sure JS is cursing himself by now, things like "Not smart!" and "Shouldn't do that again!"are probably running through his mind. But presidents and CEOs aren't the kind of people who say mea culpa...
Not 'my fault' for someone else doing a DDOS, but for saying something you knew would have those consequences.
Indeed, internet is full of heroes as you described them, and Smed is just one of these.
maybe Smed needs to reconsider how he treats people. These guys didn't come after him out of the blue for no reason.
sounds a bit like Karma to me
I sometimes use people's confrontational attitude to make them back down (and let them take a more demure attitude), works like a charm in RL. A customer threatens you with violence, you invite him to a round of fistycuffs in the parking lot, but after closing because all those other customers want to go home before closing. To date no one has tried it (and I checked the parking lot). It helps when you mean it... *grins evily*
It might also be a cultural thing, when I say "I'll slap you silly if you don't stop harassing me!" I usually slap them silly when they don't stop harassing me. Doesn't happen anymore though...
Maybe it would be best when folks don't use phrasing that includes physical violence that someone might interpret in the wrong way... Or omnious terms like "I'm coming for you!"... Unless you want the ambiguity to confuse people.
The boy is 17! This is not some US prison colony where your life is over when you do something stupid as a stupid teen. Not that this teen boy was especially stupid but all teens are stupid because all do something stupid. Should you make him pay for the rest of his life for it? imo: Hellz no!
Sure, he needs some form of punishment because it's one thing to hack into other peoples computers and have fun with it (stuff we did way back then *cough* company ftp *cough*) but another to do stuff like CC fraud and all those other "nice" things he did. Yeah those 2 years probation might not be enough but it is a way for him to learn and not destroy his future completly. If he does stuff like this again he is gone for years but not on the first strike.
And about the Smed thing, bad idea to screw with a hacking grp who just lost a member. No matter what that person/group might have done to you or especially if they did something to you, you should know how they will react. Shame that the players have to suffer for it. Not saying that the complaints aren't appropriate. Just... when someone has a gun it might not be the best idea to provoke them..
The amount of people in here cheering for these little shits is baffling.
This place really is a cesspool.
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Here here.
Personally, I think that if the allegations made by Smed are true, the people involved should be charged to the same degree of severity as murderers, rapists, and child molesters. People that have no comprehension or concern over the damage they can cause to another persons life, should have the quality of theirs removed.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I don't hate much, but I hate Apple© with a passion. If Steve Jobs was alive, I would punch him in the face.
Indeed. And this site continues its downward spiral.
This group isn't like Anonymous they have come out as saying there is no motive here but the LOLZ. They're not just attacking Smed they're attacking many other institutions, as well as swatting individuals, they're on no moral crusade, and claim to no such thing, they're just doing it because they can, and with no real penalty in it for them, they'll be doing it more often, you can be sure of that.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
One side you have a CEO who feels that he should lambast everyone with his personal opinions that is detrimental to his company and the culture said company has spent developing. With the singular belief that he can spout whatever his first amendment allows him to, whilst openly admitting his gonna make the rest of the life of the person who made his life hell, and that of his family, and that he honk said parents should be punished too.
Last time I checked, our sins are our own.
Thus any legal crime commited belong to said individual who commited them.
nobody went after the family if criminals cause if we legally did, society would collapse, and allowing such precedent to come to pass would be the first step to anarchy.
And as to the point said kids action affected US Buissness and US economy thus he should be tried in US courts.
That's probably the dumbest statement ever.
You start that shit, you asking for the same thing for other countries to do the same.
Guess what, lots of American companies screw with economies of other countries. You want them to be charged in said country and face their judicial system? System which enforce the death penalty for what other countries and individual could consider a white collar crime?
Just cause we live in the certain 1st world counties does not give us the arbitrary right to be judge and jury on how other contries run their jucidcal systems, if Finland believes that justice is served as far as their system is concerned then so be it.
After all the US has done the same thing when it came to crimes commited by the crazy gunman who killed a load of toddlers, gun man was blamed not the fact that it's easy to buy a gun in Walmart and pick 100s of bullets at a time. Did the US justice system bother going after the gun companies, or just make a taken gesture.
In Australia guns are illegal, thus virtually no gun crime, to get a gun there you have to pay $34k, same fun would cost $1k in US.
So if your gonna persecute parents for their children's crimes, perhaps the US should get it's own own in order before you lot say he should be tried in US courts.
When it comes to the law, it's never really about the law, it's about who can get away with the most and what will earn more cash.
If guns were impossible to get hold of in US, the economy would take a massive hit, that they couldn't recover from.
So be realistic people in your belief that you are owed something, you as individuals are not important and actions will only be taken if the ones in power believe there is some profit for them to be gained to peruse said action.
The kid will pay as far as his country is concerned and that is fair, no one else no smed not the US have any right to instigate further actions, to do so would instigate a vicious cycle. It's why each country has it's own laws, and you obey them or face the consequences.
Personally I believe that if smed does pursue making the lives of the family of this kids misery then he in turn should be charged with terrorism, just cause one person is rich and has lawyers to help him traverse the legal loop holes to make the parents lives a living hell doesn't make it right.
(Sorry for the meandering thoughts, just trying to say no ones above the law, and the law has upheld, further actions by smed to go after the parents would be wrong and doing so makes him worse than the kid that did him harm, as Jesus and Luther king said, "turn the other cheek".
So be the bigger man smed and stop being a dick for once in your life and let it go, leave the kids family out of it, you already know what it's like no need to do it yourself, wanna punish the kid and the group he is a part of, go ahead via legal means, but don't go over the top, there is justice and there is being a spiteful rich dick).