Worthless article....EQ was THE game before WoW....The others were there and there were some good niche games but EQ was the one msot of us flocked to.....Runescape was pure garbage...No serious MMO player played it.
quoted: "RuneScape becomes the second MMOG to surpass a million subscribers"
Who would have been the first?
Linage more than likely. Despite people beliving WoW had the most playere ever Linage 2 had more.
Originally posted by Shoko_Lied
I think part of RuneScapes success is due to the accessibility of the game to students since it was a web-browser game. I can remember clearly being in 6th grade computer class playing runescape during the time the teacher gave us as "free-time". It seemed like just about everyone at school knew about the game and kids talked about it constantly. I only found out about it at school in 2001, and played from then until just prior to the launch of Runescape 2. Which I find sort of ridiculous that Runescape 2 is what most players these days fondly look back on and call "Runscape classic". I'm like "Please kiddo, I remember when bronze armor was the sh*t, and in a good way".
But wow, the game certainly let your imagination run free. It's the first game where I felt like I could really go in any direction, do just about anything I wanted since it didn't have class or trade restrictions, and I loved the original trading mechanic as it actually got players to interact with others and openly advertise for trades. The game also taught me to grow accustomed to recognizing scam artists as I was once scammed and learned from the lesson quickly, albeit later on I became a fairly jerkfaced scammer myself and had amassed more than 20 full sets of Rune armor (best armor in the game at the time).
Looking back, my introduction into Runescape is probably what made SWG appeal to me so much when it released.
Bronze armor as never "the shit" in Runescape. When the game was in beta mith was the best you can get, then it was later adamant a little after launch and then rune about 4-6 months later.
Originally posted by derekash Interesting that You wouldn't include EQ1 or AC but in reference to a lot of comments here, I remember a game I use to play before all of these called Meridian 59 in 1995 even before UO came out that should be on this list, and should be considered the original mmorpg imo
M59 started it all as far as graphical MMOs go. UO came later.
Before M59 you had Island of Kesmai (1985) and Habitat (1986). AOL nwn (1991). TSN had TSOY (1991).
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maybe MMORPG.com should stop making this lists. you are never gona get it right.
but i would agree, how the hell did u miss EQ? THE game of 1999. the one and only everyone talked about back then. but yes,.. lets do talk about CCP and how hard they had it?
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus I dont know, but why didnt EQ and AC make that list?
Because the author has no idea what they are talking about. Not including EQ is ridiculous. It was WoW before WoW. Without EQ1, there is no WoW.
Exactly! WoW was more like EQ1 than EQ2 even tried to be. Certainly there are major differences (Questing being the big one), but there's also incredible similarities.
Originally posted by BillMurphy Guys, this isn't a "best games" list. It's slanted more to achievements by other games before Azeroth broke records. No worries, I'm sure Richard loves AC1 and EQ1.
Except EQ did shake up the MMO world, quite a few MMO's today are influenced by EQ, including WoW and FFXI, and by extent FFXIV since it is influenced by WoW. And every clone there of.
If that isn't a shake up of the MMO world I don't know what is.
This list sucks and the author should feel bad.
I'll pass this along to Richard, but honestly it's just FIVE things. Maybe he felt EQ would be a little too obvious? AC1 sure, but this list catalogs SOME events in the MMO past, not EVERY event. And chances are, these are lesser known and talked about than EQ1's place in our hearts. We all know that story.
In any case, I'll beg Richard to write a List just about EQ1 for you guys so you can all feel better and stop having panic attacks.
It has nothing to do with having a panic attack or feeling better. It has to do with writing a list that is actually truthful. The title "Five Things That Shook the MMO World Before WoW". You would think that since it is that list and EQ was before WoW, and it very much shook up the MMO world, it would be included in this list. This is the second list the author has left EQ out of that it should of been included in.
I have nothing to feel better about, neither am I having a panic attack. I just feel this site would like to have a little bit of journalistic pride. If you are going to have list about titles that changed the MMO world or shook them up. I would at least mention those that did just that.
I don't play EQ anymore, nor do I like WeBreak Games, but regardless of what I think of the company I can at least admit that EQ has had a big part in what MMO's are today.
Edit: I will concede this is the author's own personal opinion and that is fine. I just find it in bad form to write articles like this and leave out important games that did help define and shape the MMO industry. Regardless of what MMO's those are. And I would say some are a lot more deserving on the list than the ones on here. But again opinions are like assholes and all that. Henceforth I still stand by my statement of this article/list sucks and the author should feel bad.
^This. He claims to be a writer on one of the most successful MMO sites, If the name of the article is "5 things in my opinion.." OK, but not when it´s "that shook the MMO World". /Drops the mic.
Originally posted by BillMurphy Guys, this isn't a "best games" list. It's slanted more to achievements by other games before Azeroth broke records. No worries, I'm sure Richard loves AC1 and EQ1.
Except EQ did shake up the MMO world, quite a few MMO's today are influenced by EQ, including WoW and FFXI, and by extent FFXIV since it is influenced by WoW. And every clone there of.
If that isn't a shake up of the MMO world I don't know what is.
This list sucks and the author should feel bad.
I'll pass this along to Richard, but honestly it's just FIVE things. Maybe he felt EQ would be a little too obvious? AC1 sure, but this list catalogs SOME events in the MMO past, not EVERY event. And chances are, these are lesser known and talked about than EQ1's place in our hearts. We all know that story.
In any case, I'll beg Richard to write a List just about EQ1 for you guys so you can all feel better and stop having panic attacks.
It has nothing to do with having a panic attack or feeling better. It has to do with writing a list that is actually truthful. The title "Five Things That Shook the MMO World Before WoW". You would think that since it is that list and EQ was before WoW, and it very much shook up the MMO world, it would be included in this list. This is the second list the author has left EQ out of that it should of been included in.
I have nothing to feel better about, neither am I having a panic attack. I just feel this site would like to have a little bit of journalistic pride. If you are going to have list about titles that changed the MMO world or shook them up. I would at least mention those that did just that.
I don't play EQ anymore, nor do I like WeBreak Games, but regardless of what I think of the company I can at least admit that EQ has had a big part in what MMO's are today.
Edit: I will concede this is the author's own personal opinion and that is fine. I just find it in bad form to write articles like this and leave out important games that did help define and shape the MMO industry. Regardless of what MMO's those are. And I would say some are a lot more deserving on the list than the ones on here. But again opinions are like assholes and all that. Henceforth I still stand by my statement of this article/list sucks and the author should feel bad.
^This. He claims to be a writer on one of the most successful MMO sites, If the name of the article is "5 things in my opinion.." OK, but not when it´s "that shook the MMO World". /Drops the mic.
EQ was a good game, but it wasn't a 'trailblazer' by any means, as Much as WoW borrowed heavily on previous games, so did Everquest borrow heavily on what had already been done, for whatever EQ did, games like Meridian 59, The Realm, even Legends of Kesmai, pretty much got there first.
Before Wow there was nothing that would shock me. Enjoyed yes, but nothing even close to paradise I have felt immediately in wow, after minute of gameplay. After Wow only Swtor has given me that incredible feeling, total happiness when playing. And also Gw2. Ok, loved many others, War, Wildstarr, ... but not even close to wow and swtor (my currently no1 game).
Originally posted by Shinobe Originally posted by Deekins Originally posted by BillMurphy Originally posted by Deekins Originally posted by BillMurphy Guys, this isn't a "best games" list. It's slanted more to achievements by other games before Azeroth broke records. No worries, I'm sure Richard loves AC1 and EQ1.
Except EQ did shake up the MMO world, quite a few MMO's today are influenced by EQ, including WoW and FFXI, and by extent FFXIV since it is influenced by WoW. And every clone there of.
If that isn't a shake up of the MMO world I don't know what is.
This list sucks and the author should feel bad.
I'll pass this along to Richard, but honestly it's just FIVE things. Maybe he felt EQ would be a little too obvious? AC1 sure, but this list catalogs SOME events in the MMO past, not EVERY event. And chances are, these are lesser known and talked about than EQ1's place in our hearts. We all know that story.
In any case, I'll beg Richard to write a List just about EQ1 for you guys so you can all feel better and stop having panic attacks.
It has nothing to do with having a panic attack or feeling better. It has to do with writing a list that is actually truthful. The title "Five Things That Shook the MMO World Before WoW". You would think that since it is that list and EQ was before WoW, and it very much shook up the MMO world, it would be included in this list. This is the second list the author has left EQ out of that it should of been included in.
I have nothing to feel better about, neither am I having a panic attack. I just feel this site would like to have a little bit of journalistic pride. If you are going to have list about titles that changed the MMO world or shook them up. I would at least mention those that did just that.
I don't play EQ anymore, nor do I like WeBreak Games, but regardless of what I think of the company I can at least admit that EQ has had a big part in what MMO's are today.
Edit: I will concede this is the author's own personal opinion and that is fine. I just find it in bad form to write articles like this and leave out important games that did help define and shape the MMO industry. Regardless of what MMO's those are. And I would say some are a lot more deserving on the list than the ones on here. But again opinions are like assholes and all that. Henceforth I still stand by my statement of this article/list sucks and the author should feel bad.
^This. He claims to be a writer on one of the most successful MMO sites, If the name of the article is "5 things in my opinion.." OK, but not when it´s "that shook the MMO World". /Drops the mic.
EQ was a good game, but it wasn't a 'trailblazer' by any means, as Much as WoW borrowed heavily on previous games, so did Everquest borrow heavily on what had already been done, for whatever EQ did, games like Meridian 59, The Realm, even Legends of Kesmai, pretty much got there first.
EQ was the most successful mmo in America for five years, it bought mmo gaming into the main stream. Up until that points no other mmo had the following of EQ, fact.
To say it didn't trailblaze is to say EQ2 didn't bring in the theme park era. If the OP is going to mention MMO's like DAOC, AC then EQ should rightly get a mention.
Also WOW borrowed hevely from EQ, that was the game that influenced blizzard devs to the point of hiring EQ player's to help design certain parts of the game.
Whether you want to admit it or not EQ had more of an influence in the mmo market than any of the mmo games that came before it.
Originally posted by BillMurphy Guys, this isn't a "best games" list. It's slanted more to achievements by other games before Azeroth broke records. No worries, I'm sure Richard loves AC1 and EQ1.
Except EQ did shake up the MMO world, quite a few MMO's today are influenced by EQ, including WoW and FFXI, and by extent FFXIV since it is influenced by WoW. And every clone there of.
If that isn't a shake up of the MMO world I don't know what is.
This list sucks and the author should feel bad.
I'll pass this along to Richard, but honestly it's just FIVE things. Maybe he felt EQ would be a little too obvious? AC1 sure, but this list catalogs SOME events in the MMO past, not EVERY event. And chances are, these are lesser known and talked about than EQ1's place in our hearts. We all know that story.
In any case, I'll beg Richard to write a List just about EQ1 for you guys so you can all feel better and stop having panic attacks.
It has nothing to do with having a panic attack or feeling better. It has to do with writing a list that is actually truthful. The title "Five Things That Shook the MMO World Before WoW". You would think that since it is that list and EQ was before WoW, and it very much shook up the MMO world, it would be included in this list. This is the second list the author has left EQ out of that it should of been included in.
I have nothing to feel better about, neither am I having a panic attack. I just feel this site would like to have a little bit of journalistic pride. If you are going to have list about titles that changed the MMO world or shook them up. I would at least mention those that did just that.
I don't play EQ anymore, nor do I like WeBreak Games, but regardless of what I think of the company I can at least admit that EQ has had a big part in what MMO's are today.
Edit: I will concede this is the author's own personal opinion and that is fine. I just find it in bad form to write articles like this and leave out important games that did help define and shape the MMO industry. Regardless of what MMO's those are. And I would say some are a lot more deserving on the list than the ones on here. But again opinions are like assholes and all that. Henceforth I still stand by my statement of this article/list sucks and the author should feel bad.
^This. He claims to be a writer on one of the most successful MMO sites, If the name of the article is "5 things in my opinion.." OK, but not when it´s "that shook the MMO World". /Drops the mic.
EQ was a good game, but it wasn't a 'trailblazer' by any means, as Much as WoW borrowed heavily on previous games, so did Everquest borrow heavily on what had already been done, for whatever EQ did, games like Meridian 59, The Realm, even Legends of Kesmai, pretty much got there first.
EQ was the most successful mmo in America for five years, it bought mmo gaming into the main stream. Up until that points no other mmo had the following of EQ, fact. To say it didn't trailblaze is to say EQ2 didn't bring in the theme park era. If the OP is going to mention MMO's like DAOC, AC then EQ should rightly get a mention. Also WOW borrowed hevely from EQ, that was the game that influenced blizzard devs to the point of hiring EQ player's to help design certain parts of the game. Whether you want to admit it or not EQ had more of an influence in the mmo market than any of the mmo games that came before it.
EQ2 had no influence on MMO's, and it certainly didn't influence Themepark MMO's in any way, the game was, in terms of the franchise, an unmitigated disaster, embarassingly so when you compare it to what Vanguard tried to achieve.
As for the influence of EQ1, of course it had a lot of influence on games that succeeded it, and as someone who played the game for numerous years, i am more than aware of how popular it was, but it wasn't the first of its kind, which is kind of the point of the article, it was a stepping stone, an important one at that, which however, is something that cannot be said about EQ2, which was heavily influenced by WoW, or at least, its ever ongoing 'rewrites' were largely in response to WoW, that EQ2 never really caught on was probably in large part because it had very little identity of its own.
Everquest, in its own time was the most successful MMO of its type, it however, did not make MMO's more 'mainstream' if anything it was still very much the plaything of what would probably be called, the 'gamer geek' and very much a game that was part of a very niche market, the game that broke open the dam and opened the floodwaters of mainstream players to MMO gaming, and forever after removing it out of the domain of the 'gamer geek' was in fact World of Warcraft, which in hindsight was probably the opening shot in a war that would see the fall of SOE entirely, after all, after Everquest 1, SOE outstandingly failed to capitalise upon what success they had managed to achieve, from Planetside 1 to SWG, early gains with promising titles that somehow became outstanding failures, that SOE no longer exists as was, and its remnant Daybreak is all that remains is probably all the testament needed to epitomise the companies fortunes.
Originally posted by BillMurphy Guys, this isn't a "best games" list. It's slanted more to achievements by other games before Azeroth broke records. No worries, I'm sure Richard loves AC1 and EQ1.
Except EQ did shake up the MMO world, quite a few MMO's today are influenced by EQ, including WoW and FFXI, and by extent FFXIV since it is influenced by WoW. And every clone there of.
If that isn't a shake up of the MMO world I don't know what is.
This list sucks and the author should feel bad.
I'll pass this along to Richard, but honestly it's just FIVE things. Maybe he felt EQ would be a little too obvious? AC1 sure, but this list catalogs SOME events in the MMO past, not EVERY event. And chances are, these are lesser known and talked about than EQ1's place in our hearts. We all know that story.
In any case, I'll beg Richard to write a List just about EQ1 for you guys so you can all feel better and stop having panic attacks.
It has nothing to do with having a panic attack or feeling better. It has to do with writing a list that is actually truthful. The title "Five Things That Shook the MMO World Before WoW". You would think that since it is that list and EQ was before WoW, and it very much shook up the MMO world, it would be included in this list. This is the second list the author has left EQ out of that it should of been included in.
I have nothing to feel better about, neither am I having a panic attack. I just feel this site would like to have a little bit of journalistic pride. If you are going to have list about titles that changed the MMO world or shook them up. I would at least mention those that did just that.
I don't play EQ anymore, nor do I like WeBreak Games, but regardless of what I think of the company I can at least admit that EQ has had a big part in what MMO's are today.
Edit: I will concede this is the author's own personal opinion and that is fine. I just find it in bad form to write articles like this and leave out important games that did help define and shape the MMO industry. Regardless of what MMO's those are. And I would say some are a lot more deserving on the list than the ones on here. But again opinions are like assholes and all that. Henceforth I still stand by my statement of this article/list sucks and the author should feel bad.
^This. He claims to be a writer on one of the most successful MMO sites, If the name of the article is "5 things in my opinion.." OK, but not when it´s "that shook the MMO World". /Drops the mic.
EQ was a good game, but it wasn't a 'trailblazer' by any means, as Much as WoW borrowed heavily on previous games, so did Everquest borrow heavily on what had already been done, for whatever EQ did, games like Meridian 59, The Realm, even Legends of Kesmai, pretty much got there first.
EQ was the most successful mmo in America for five years, it bought mmo gaming into the main stream. Up until that points no other mmo had the following of EQ, fact. To say it didn't trailblaze is to say EQ2 didn't bring in the theme park era. If the OP is going to mention MMO's like DAOC, AC then EQ should rightly get a mention. Also WOW borrowed hevely from EQ, that was the game that influenced blizzard devs to the point of hiring EQ player's to help design certain parts of the game. Whether you want to admit it or not EQ had more of an influence in the mmo market than any of the mmo games that came before it.
EQ2 had no influence on MMO's, and it certainly didn't influence Themepark MMO's in any way, the game was, in terms of the franchise, an unmitigated disaster, embarassingly so when you compare it to what Vanguard tried to achieve.
What has Vanguard got to do with EQ2 lol, not even the same topic. EQ2 was the first modern day Themepark.
As for the influence of EQ1, of course it had a lot of influence on games that succeeded it, and as someone who played the game for numerous years, i am more than aware of how popular it was, but it wasn't the first of its kind, which is kind of the point of the article, it was a stepping stone, an important one at that, which however, is something that cannot be said about EQ2, which was heavily influenced by WoW, or at least, its ever ongoing 'rewrites' were largely in response to WoW, that EQ2 never really caught on was probably in large part because it had very little identity of its own.
Who said EQ was the first of it's kind, are you actually trolling lol. EQ2 influence by WOW, really that's funny considering EQ2 came before WOW by three weeks. EQ2 bought in the type of questing we see in mmo's like WOW and hereafter.
Everquest, in its own time was the most successful MMO of its type, it however, did not make MMO's more 'mainstream' if anything it was still very much the plaything of what would probably be called, the 'gamer geek' and very much a game that was part of a very niche market, the game that broke open the dam and opened the floodwaters of mainstream players to MMO gaming, and forever after removing it out of the domain of the 'gamer geek' was in fact World of Warcraft, which in hindsight was probably the opening shot in a war that would see the fall of SOE entirely, after all, after Everquest 1, SOE outstandingly failed to capitalise upon what success they had managed to achieve, from Planetside 1 to SWG, early gains with promising titles that somehow became outstanding failures, that SOE no longer exists as was, and its remnant Daybreak is all that remains is probably all the testament needed to epitomise the companies fortunes.
Sorry but WOW didn't catch on for a several months, it wasn't an overnight success, EQ bought 3D mmo into the main stream with numbers of up to 500k at it's peak. Not a lot by today's standards but a serious amount pre-wow numbers. I was there just like you say you were.
I played EQ from day one and then i was in WOW beta and EQ2. When WOW released it didn't have the numbers that EQ2 had when it released three weeks earlier. The battle.net kids didn't get WOW, they didn't understand what a mmo was, it was players from other mmo's that were playing WOW.
It took several months for WOW to really take off and that was due to there own fan base finally taking the game on board.
We are not talking about the success of EQ2 or the bugs, that's you bringing your own twist into the debate. Fact is EQ2 was the first themepark mmo of what we see today. Major quest hubs and fed-x leveling, it's was not WOW that came first it was EQ2.
And don't spout on about WOW first this, first that. Unless you can give me a link saying WOW came before EQ2 you have not leg to stand on.
Nice try though, at least do your homework before you spout such nonsense.
Originally posted by Kyleran Only 5 slots on the list folks, and of course the games you played will cause a bias.
Normally I would agree with you, but this list requires EQ1 and AC1 on it. This is not open for discussion.
Nonsense, I never played either one, I went down the road of Lineage 1, DAOC, Shadowbane and Lineage 2....
But the list really wasn't about the 5 most influential games, though Richard wrote it incorrectly, it was supposed to be a specific feature that the title brought to the genre. (i.e AC - Space themed MMOs) but it does read wrong.
I agree, if we're talking about influential games, I'd include AC and EQ1 in there over some others.
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Originally posted by BillMurphy Guys, this isn't a "best games" list. It's slanted more to achievements by other games before Azeroth broke records. No worries, I'm sure Richard loves AC1 and EQ1.
Except EQ did shake up the MMO world, quite a few MMO's today are influenced by EQ, including WoW and FFXI, and by extent FFXIV since it is influenced by WoW. And every clone there of.
If that isn't a shake up of the MMO world I don't know what is.
This list sucks and the author should feel bad.
I'll pass this along to Richard, but honestly it's just FIVE things. Maybe he felt EQ would be a little too obvious? AC1 sure, but this list catalogs SOME events in the MMO past, not EVERY event. And chances are, these are lesser known and talked about than EQ1's place in our hearts. We all know that story.
In any case, I'll beg Richard to write a List just about EQ1 for you guys so you can all feel better and stop having panic attacks.
It has nothing to do with having a panic attack or feeling better. It has to do with writing a list that is actually truthful. The title "Five Things That Shook the MMO World Before WoW". You would think that since it is that list and EQ was before WoW, and it very much shook up the MMO world, it would be included in this list. This is the second list the author has left EQ out of that it should of been included in.
I have nothing to feel better about, neither am I having a panic attack. I just feel this site would like to have a little bit of journalistic pride. If you are going to have list about titles that changed the MMO world or shook them up. I would at least mention those that did just that.
I don't play EQ anymore, nor do I like WeBreak Games, but regardless of what I think of the company I can at least admit that EQ has had a big part in what MMO's are today.
Edit: I will concede this is the author's own personal opinion and that is fine. I just find it in bad form to write articles like this and leave out important games that did help define and shape the MMO industry. Regardless of what MMO's those are. And I would say some are a lot more deserving on the list than the ones on here. But again opinions are like assholes and all that. Henceforth I still stand by my statement of this article/list sucks and the author should feel bad.
^This. He claims to be a writer on one of the most successful MMO sites, If the name of the article is "5 things in my opinion.." OK, but not when it´s "that shook the MMO World". /Drops the mic.
EQ was a good game, but it wasn't a 'trailblazer' by any means, as Much as WoW borrowed heavily on previous games, so did Everquest borrow heavily on what had already been done, for whatever EQ did, games like Meridian 59, The Realm, even Legends of Kesmai, pretty much got there first.
EQ was the most successful mmo in America for five years, it bought mmo gaming into the main stream. Up until that points no other mmo had the following of EQ, fact. To say it didn't trailblaze is to say EQ2 didn't bring in the theme park era. If the OP is going to mention MMO's like DAOC, AC then EQ should rightly get a mention. Also WOW borrowed hevely from EQ, that was the game that influenced blizzard devs to the point of hiring EQ player's to help design certain parts of the game. Whether you want to admit it or not EQ had more of an influence in the mmo market than any of the mmo games that came before it.
EQ2 had no influence on MMO's, and it certainly didn't influence Themepark MMO's in any way, the game was, in terms of the franchise, an unmitigated disaster, embarassingly so when you compare it to what Vanguard tried to achieve.
What has Vanguard got to do with EQ2 lol, not even the same topic. EQ2 was the first modern day Themepark.
As for the influence of EQ1, of course it had a lot of influence on games that succeeded it, and as someone who played the game for numerous years, i am more than aware of how popular it was, but it wasn't the first of its kind, which is kind of the point of the article, it was a stepping stone, an important one at that, which however, is something that cannot be said about EQ2, which was heavily influenced by WoW, or at least, its ever ongoing 'rewrites' were largely in response to WoW, that EQ2 never really caught on was probably in large part because it had very little identity of its own.
Who said EQ was the first of it's kind, are you actually trolling lol. EQ2 influence by WOW, really that's funny considering EQ2 came before WOW by three weeks. EQ2 bought in the type of questing we see in mmo's like WOW and hereafter.
Everquest, in its own time was the most successful MMO of its type, it however, did not make MMO's more 'mainstream' if anything it was still very much the plaything of what would probably be called, the 'gamer geek' and very much a game that was part of a very niche market, the game that broke open the dam and opened the floodwaters of mainstream players to MMO gaming, and forever after removing it out of the domain of the 'gamer geek' was in fact World of Warcraft, which in hindsight was probably the opening shot in a war that would see the fall of SOE entirely, after all, after Everquest 1, SOE outstandingly failed to capitalise upon what success they had managed to achieve, from Planetside 1 to SWG, early gains with promising titles that somehow became outstanding failures, that SOE no longer exists as was, and its remnant Daybreak is all that remains is probably all the testament needed to epitomise the companies fortunes.
Sorry but WOW didn't catch on for a several months, it wasn't an overnight success, EQ bought 3D mmo into the main stream with numbers of up to 500k at it's peak. Not a lot by today's standards but a serious amount pre-wow numbers. I was there just like you say you were.
I played EQ from day one and then i was in WOW beta and EQ2. When WOW released it didn't have the numbers that EQ2 had when it released three weeks earlier. The battle.net kids didn't get WOW, they didn't understand what a mmo was, it was players from other mmo's that were playing WOW.
It took several months for WOW to really take off and that was due to there own fan base finally taking the game on board.
We are not talking about the success of EQ2 or the bugs, that's you bringing your own twist into the debate. Fact is EQ2 was the first themepark mmo of what we see today. Major quest hubs and fed-x leveling, it's was not WOW that came first it was EQ2.
And don't spout on about WOW first this, first that. Unless you can give me a link saying WOW came before EQ2 you have not leg to stand on.
Nice try though, at least do your homework before you spout such nonsense.
EQ got some good numbers. If there was any mainstreaming of it, you might say it was mainstreaming for the group we would call computer gamers. How significant was that? Well think of the number of people who played EQ at peak and compare it to other games like Doom, Call of Duty, Medal of Honor. EQ's numbers look kind of small now don't they?
Now as far as main stream with regular folk and in media? Wow had an order of magnitude more than EQ. In fact, twice the order of magnitude. That IS main stream. That is in the general public. Did EQ get a South Park episode?
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Originally posted by Lord.Bachus I dont know, but why didnt EQ and AC make that list?
Because the author has no idea what they are talking about. Not including EQ is ridiculous. It was WoW before WoW. Without EQ1, there is no WoW.
You know that, we know that...but think about this. By now 7M players who sold their souls to Blizzard are gathering their pitchforks and coming for you now. :P
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Linage more than likely. Despite people beliving WoW had the most playere ever Linage 2 had more.
Bronze armor as never "the shit" in Runescape. When the game was in beta mith was the best you can get, then it was later adamant a little after launch and then rune about 4-6 months later.
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Before M59 you had Island of Kesmai (1985) and Habitat (1986). AOL nwn (1991). TSN had TSOY (1991).
M59 was 1995.
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
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maybe MMORPG.com should stop making this lists. you are never gona get it right.
but i would agree, how the hell did u miss EQ? THE game of 1999. the one and only everyone talked about back then. but yes,.. lets do talk about CCP and how hard they had it?
Exactly! WoW was more like EQ1 than EQ2 even tried to be. Certainly there are major differences (Questing being the big one), but there's also incredible similarities.
^This. He claims to be a writer on one of the most successful MMO sites, If the name of the article is "5 things in my opinion.." OK, but not when it´s "that shook the MMO World". /Drops the mic.
EQ was a good game, but it wasn't a 'trailblazer' by any means, as Much as WoW borrowed heavily on previous games, so did Everquest borrow heavily on what had already been done, for whatever EQ did, games like Meridian 59, The Realm, even Legends of Kesmai, pretty much got there first.
Except EQ did shake up the MMO world, quite a few MMO's today are influenced by EQ, including WoW and FFXI, and by extent FFXIV since it is influenced by WoW. And every clone there of.
If that isn't a shake up of the MMO world I don't know what is.
This list sucks and the author should feel bad.
I'll pass this along to Richard, but honestly it's just FIVE things. Maybe he felt EQ would be a little too obvious? AC1 sure, but this list catalogs SOME events in the MMO past, not EVERY event. And chances are, these are lesser known and talked about than EQ1's place in our hearts. We all know that story.
In any case, I'll beg Richard to write a List just about EQ1 for you guys so you can all feel better and stop having panic attacks.
It has nothing to do with having a panic attack or feeling better. It has to do with writing a list that is actually truthful. The title "Five Things That Shook the MMO World Before WoW". You would think that since it is that list and EQ was before WoW, and it very much shook up the MMO world, it would be included in this list. This is the second list the author has left EQ out of that it should of been included in.
I have nothing to feel better about, neither am I having a panic attack. I just feel this site would like to have a little bit of journalistic pride. If you are going to have list about titles that changed the MMO world or shook them up. I would at least mention those that did just that.
I don't play EQ anymore, nor do I like WeBreak Games, but regardless of what I think of the company I can at least admit that EQ has had a big part in what MMO's are today.
Edit: I will concede this is the author's own personal opinion and that is fine. I just find it in bad form to write articles like this and leave out important games that did help define and shape the MMO industry. Regardless of what MMO's those are. And I would say some are a lot more deserving on the list than the ones on here. But again opinions are like assholes and all that. Henceforth I still stand by my statement of this article/list sucks and the author should feel bad.
^This. He claims to be a writer on one of the most successful MMO sites, If the name of the article is "5 things in my opinion.." OK, but not when it´s "that shook the MMO World". /Drops the mic.
EQ was a good game, but it wasn't a 'trailblazer' by any means, as Much as WoW borrowed heavily on previous games, so did Everquest borrow heavily on what had already been done, for whatever EQ did, games like Meridian 59, The Realm, even Legends of Kesmai, pretty much got there first.
EQ was the most successful mmo in America for five years, it bought mmo gaming into the main stream. Up until that points no other mmo had the following of EQ, fact.To say it didn't trailblaze is to say EQ2 didn't bring in the theme park era. If the OP is going to mention MMO's like DAOC, AC then EQ should rightly get a mention.
Also WOW borrowed hevely from EQ, that was the game that influenced blizzard devs to the point of hiring EQ player's to help design certain parts of the game.
Whether you want to admit it or not EQ had more of an influence in the mmo market than any of the mmo games that came before it.
EQ2 had no influence on MMO's, and it certainly didn't influence Themepark MMO's in any way, the game was, in terms of the franchise, an unmitigated disaster, embarassingly so when you compare it to what Vanguard tried to achieve.
As for the influence of EQ1, of course it had a lot of influence on games that succeeded it, and as someone who played the game for numerous years, i am more than aware of how popular it was, but it wasn't the first of its kind, which is kind of the point of the article, it was a stepping stone, an important one at that, which however, is something that cannot be said about EQ2, which was heavily influenced by WoW, or at least, its ever ongoing 'rewrites' were largely in response to WoW, that EQ2 never really caught on was probably in large part because it had very little identity of its own.
Everquest, in its own time was the most successful MMO of its type, it however, did not make MMO's more 'mainstream' if anything it was still very much the plaything of what would probably be called, the 'gamer geek' and very much a game that was part of a very niche market, the game that broke open the dam and opened the floodwaters of mainstream players to MMO gaming, and forever after removing it out of the domain of the 'gamer geek' was in fact World of Warcraft, which in hindsight was probably the opening shot in a war that would see the fall of SOE entirely, after all, after Everquest 1, SOE outstandingly failed to capitalise upon what success they had managed to achieve, from Planetside 1 to SWG, early gains with promising titles that somehow became outstanding failures, that SOE no longer exists as was, and its remnant Daybreak is all that remains is probably all the testament needed to epitomise the companies fortunes.
What has Vanguard got to do with EQ2 lol, not even the same topic. EQ2 was the first modern day Themepark.
Sorry but WOW didn't catch on for a several months, it wasn't an overnight success, EQ bought 3D mmo into the main stream with numbers of up to 500k at it's peak. Not a lot by today's standards but a serious amount pre-wow numbers. I was there just like you say you were.
I played EQ from day one and then i was in WOW beta and EQ2. When WOW released it didn't have the numbers that EQ2 had when it released three weeks earlier. The battle.net kids didn't get WOW, they didn't understand what a mmo was, it was players from other mmo's that were playing WOW.
It took several months for WOW to really take off and that was due to there own fan base finally taking the game on board.
We are not talking about the success of EQ2 or the bugs, that's you bringing your own twist into the debate. Fact is EQ2 was the first themepark mmo of what we see today. Major quest hubs and fed-x leveling, it's was not WOW that came first it was EQ2.
And don't spout on about WOW first this, first that. Unless you can give me a link saying WOW came before EQ2 you have not leg to stand on.
Nice try though, at least do your homework before you spout such nonsense.
Nonsense, I never played either one, I went down the road of Lineage 1, DAOC, Shadowbane and Lineage 2....
But the list really wasn't about the 5 most influential games, though Richard wrote it incorrectly, it was supposed to be a specific feature that the title brought to the genre. (i.e AC - Space themed MMOs) but it does read wrong.
I agree, if we're talking about influential games, I'd include AC and EQ1 in there over some others.
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EQ got some good numbers. If there was any mainstreaming of it, you might say it was mainstreaming for the group we would call computer gamers. How significant was that? Well think of the number of people who played EQ at peak and compare it to other games like Doom, Call of Duty, Medal of Honor. EQ's numbers look kind of small now don't they?
Now as far as main stream with regular folk and in media? Wow had an order of magnitude more than EQ. In fact, twice the order of magnitude. That IS main stream. That is in the general public. Did EQ get a South Park episode?
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
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FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
You know that, we know that...but think about this. By now 7M players who sold their souls to Blizzard are gathering their pitchforks and coming for you now. :P
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I thought for sure #1 would've been the 56k modem.
Well, at a minimum, EQ *did* give me a reason to buy my first "3D-accelerator" -- a 12mg Voodoo 2.
For me, it was revolutionary personally due to this. And I bought that Voodoo 2 *JUST TO BETA TEST* original EQ.
But as a Meridian and UO gamer prior, I can give a decent nod of approval to this list... ;-)