The Imperial City WILL be paid DLC after all

Iselin · July 2015

I guess the accountants won that little internal discussion

2500 crowns to buy or can be used by any active ESO+ subscriber.

I still see trouble ahead with some potential for animosity and drama within your own Alliance in Cyrodiil with the DLC "haves" and "have nots" perhaps even working against each other to meet the entry requirements... although, they are considering having different entry rules with one of the possibilities to be tested in the test server being "no entry requirements":

Brian Wheeler:

On PTS we will be testing access the following access rules and deciding if certain campaigns have different Access rules or be universal across all Campaigns:

Everyone has Access
Access granted by owning your native 6 keeps
Access granted by owning your native 6 keeps + 1 enemy keep
Access granted by owning the majority of keeps

For clarification, "Access" means the doors in Cyrodiil around Lake Rumare (non slaughterfish side) that let you into the Sewers/City will let you click on them to go into the Sewers/City or not. These entrances will also be highlighted on your Cyrodiil map.

There is already a tiny Alliance-wide buff for owning all 6 home keeps - but not large enough to make everyone in Cyrodiil interested in achieving that unless it's increased significantly to benefit everyone whether they have IC privilege or not.

gervaise1 · July 2015

Indeed the accountants won - although they would probably have liked to charge more!

With the price now announced people can now consider whether or not it is better to:

subscribe - don't buy the DLC;
buy the content for $25
subscribe for 2 months for $30; use 2,500 of the crowns that that would provide to purchase the DLC

People could also wait as well I suppose; there will no doubt be sales / combo packs and so one down the line etc. but probably not before the next DLC - next year?

I can't see any real benefit in not buying the DLC if someone wants to play it - either with crowns accrued or outright. Ensuring continued access whether subbed or not. Subscribing and not using the crowns that would provide doesn't seem sensible imo.

Whether the $5 difference is worth a 2 month sub or not ....? Or short subscription periods and then unsub until the next DLC?

SpottyGekko · July 2015

I'd imagine that a sub is probably going to end up being the best value for money in the near future, as more DLC's are released. About the only significant benefit of the sub (imho) is the fact that it includes access to all DLC content.

The frequency of DLC's may even be linked to the amount of subscribers in the game. The more active subs they have the less the pressure to raise revenue via DLC sales. That said, I'm expecting 3-4 DLC's per year, because I believe the majority of players will opt for buying the DLC's when released, rather than subbing monthly.

gervaise1 · July 2015

Originally posted by SpottyGekko
I'd imagine that a sub is probably going to end up being the best value for money in the near future, as more DLC's are released. About the only significant benefit of the sub (imho) is the fact that it includes access to all DLC content.

The frequency of DLC's may even be linked to the amount of subscribers in the game. The more active subs they have the less the pressure to raise revenue via DLC sales. That said, I'm expecting 3-4 DLC's per year, because I believe the majority of players will opt for buying the DLC's when released, rather than subbing monthly.

(Assuming you want the DLC) I think the only sensible option is to buy it.

The only question then is how to buy the crowns - either directly or as part of a "short" subscription.

And I agree that an "old fashioned" subscription model provides no incentive for companies to produce content and no guarantee to subscribers. Blizzard are perhaps the most high profile culprit. (Newer sub models guarantee the DLC.)

SpottyGekko · July 2015

Originally posted by gervaise1
Originally posted by SpottyGekko
I'd imagine that a sub is probably going to end up being the best value for money in the near future, as more DLC's are released. About the only significant benefit of the sub (imho) is the fact that it includes access to all DLC content.

The frequency of DLC's may even be linked to the amount of subscribers in the game. The more active subs they have the less the pressure to raise revenue via DLC sales. That said, I'm expecting 3-4 DLC's per year, because I believe the majority of players will opt for buying the DLC's when released, rather than subbing monthly.

(Assuming you want the DLC) I think the only sensible option is to buy it.

The only question then is how to buy the crowns - either directly or as part of a "short" subscription.

And I agree that an "old fashioned" subscription model provides no incentive for companies to produce content and no guarantee to subscribers. Blizzard are perhaps the most high profile culprit. (Newer sub models guarantee the DLC.)

You misunderstood me.

I wasn't alleging that traditional sub models "provides no incentive for companies to produce content and no guarantee to subscribers". Far from it. Any sub model MMO that neglects content is courting disaster. EVE-Online added two free expansions to the game every year, and it kept the faithful happy and subbing for countless years. WoW got away with murder, but WoW is always an exception to every MMO rule.

I was just saying that the benefits of a sub in ESO:TU are currently negligible (small XP boost and 500 crowns per month subbed).

But if I'm going to be spending $100 per year on DLC's, as opposed to $120 sub for 12 months access to all DLC's and 6000 crowns, THEN the sub option starts looking a lot more attractive. If not, the sub holds no value for me.

Octagon7711 · July 2015

I might have missed it here but is it true, if you drop your sub you lose access to the dlc?

Ikifales · July 2015

Originally posted by gervaise1
Indeed the accountants won - although they would probably have liked to charge more!

With the price now announced people can now consider whether or not it is better to:

subscribe - don't buy the DLC;

buy the content for $25

subscribe for 2 months for $30; use 2,500 of the crowns that that would provide to purchase the DLC

People could also wait as well I suppose; there will no doubt be sales / combo packs and so one down the line etc. but probably not before the next DLC - next year?

I can't see any real benefit in not buying the DLC if someone wants to play it - either with crowns accrued or outright. Ensuring continued access whether subbed or not. Subscribing and not using the crowns that would provide doesn't seem sensible imo.

Whether the $5 difference is worth a 2 month sub or not ....? Or short subscription periods and then unsub until the next DLC?

Huh? If you are subscribed when it launches you get the full DLC automatically at no extra cost, you do not have to spend any of your crowns at all. You only need 2500 crowns to get the DLC if you are not subscribed. So option 1 and 3 in your list are not options.

Tokken · July 2015

Originally posted by Iselin
I guess the accountants won that little internal discussion Imperial City Launch Details 2500 crowns to buy or can be used by any active ESO+ subscriber. I still see trouble ahead with some potential for animosity and drama within your own Alliance in Cyrodiil with the DLC "haves" and "have nots" perhaps even working against each other to meet the entry requirements... although, they are considering having different entry rules with one of the possibilities to be tested in the test server being "no entry requirements": Brian Wheeler: On PTS we will be testing access the following access rules and deciding if certain campaigns have different Access rules or be universal across all Campaigns: Everyone has Access Access granted by owning your native 6 keeps Access granted by owning your native 6 keeps + 1 enemy keep Access granted by owning the majority of keepsFor clarification, "Access" means the doors in Cyrodiil around Lake Rumare (non slaughterfish side) that let you into the Sewers/City will let you click on them to go into the Sewers/City or not. These entrances will also be highlighted on your Cyrodiil map. There is already a tiny Alliance-wide buff for owning all 6 home keeps - but not large enough to make everyone in Cyrodiil interested in achieving that unless it's increased significantly to benefit everyone whether they have IC privilege or not.

BOOOO!! hisss!!!

Oh well, at least it is a reasonable price.

Iselin · July 2015

Originally posted by Tokken

Originally posted by Iselin
I guess the accountants won that little internal discussion

Imperial City Launch Details

2500 crowns to buy or can be used by any active ESO+ subscriber.

I still see trouble ahead with some potential for animosity and drama within your own Alliance in Cyrodiil with the DLC "haves" and "have nots" perhaps even working against each other to meet the entry requirements... although, they are considering having different entry rules with one of the possibilities to be tested in the test server being "no entry requirements":

Brian Wheeler:

On PTS we will be testing access the following access rules and deciding if certain campaigns have different Access rules or be universal across all Campaigns:

Everyone has Access

Access granted by owning your native 6 keeps Access granted by owning your native 6 keeps + 1 enemy keep Access granted by owning the majority of keeps

For clarification, "Access" means the doors in Cyrodiil around Lake Rumare (non slaughterfish side) that let you into the Sewers/City will let you click on them to go into the Sewers/City or not. These entrances will also be highlighted on your Cyrodiil map.

There is already a tiny Alliance-wide buff for owning all 6 home keeps - but not large enough to make everyone in Cyrodiil interested in achieving that unless it's increased significantly to benefit everyone whether they have IC privilege or not.

BOOOO!! hisss!!!

Oh well, at least it is a reasonable price.

True. It's reasonable. And put in perspective... I just got back from taking my daughter to see Jurassic World... movie tickets + dinner at a pizza restaurant = 4 Imperial cities

gervaise1 · July 2015

Originally posted by Ikifales
Originally posted by gervaise1
Indeed the accountants won - although they would probably have liked to charge more!

With the price now announced people can now consider whether or not it is better to:

subscribe - don't buy the DLC;

buy the content for $25

subscribe for 2 months for $30; use 2,500 of the crowns that that would provide to purchase the DLC

People could also wait as well I suppose; there will no doubt be sales / combo packs and so one down the line etc. but probably not before the next DLC - next year?

I can't see any real benefit in not buying the DLC if someone wants to play it - either with crowns accrued or outright. Ensuring continued access whether subbed or not. Subscribing and not using the crowns that would provide doesn't seem sensible imo.

Whether the $5 difference is worth a 2 month sub or not ....? Or short subscription periods and then unsub until the next DLC?

Huh? If you are subscribed when it launches you get the full DLC automatically at no extra cost, you do not have to spend any of your crowns at all. You only need 2500 crowns to get the DLC if you are not subscribed. So option 1 and 3 in your list are not options.

3 options:

You can stay subscribed or - If you are not subscribed - subscribe and not spend any crowns;
If you stay subscribed or take out a subscription that provides 2,500 crowns (so sub or stay subbed for at least 2 months) you could use crowns to buy the DLC;
Or you could just buy the DLC.

Clearer now?

And the reason people might want to buy the DLC - whether they are "subscribers" or not is that if you stop subscribing you will lose access to the DLC.

Amegashie · July 2015

Originally posted by Octagon7711
I might have missed it here but is it true, if you drop your sub you lose access to the dlc?

Yes, as a subscriber you only "rent" the content. If you drop the sub, you'll have to buy the DLC anyway to have access.

Bladestrom · July 2015

Dont forgrt as a sub you get 1500 coins a month do in less than 2 months you can get it for free as well. However if you at subbing anyway it's pointless to but it, the need to 'own' content is very old fashioned.

gervaise1 · July 2015

Originally posted by Bladestrom
Dont forgrt as a sub you get 1500 coins a month do in less than 2 months you can get it for free as well. However if you at subbing anyway it's pointless to but it, the need to 'own' content is very old fashioned.

As a subscriber you get three things: 10% xp bonus - not considered significant since it would be considered p2w if it was; access to all DLC whilst a subscriber; 1500 crowns.

So if you ignore the 10% and decide not to use your crowns to "buy" the DLC then as a subscriber you are making an automatic $15 a month cash shop purchase for "fluff".

For me this is an example of were owning - however old fashioned that concept is - is better than the (arguably even older) rental option.

Bladestrom · July 2015

I spend some on xp scrolls and respec scrolls, and save the rest for a rainy day. My point though is while you are subbed you gain 0 by buying it, but the option is there if you decide at some point to stop subbing - at they point it becomes an option if you want to still play with no sub.

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