There is this thing in gaming where people like to say they were in that old MMO, they played that old game. But you have to question, were they really there?
Only games? This is common problem in any area. I have played many games, especially a lot in maybe last 10 years ... and have changed many phones .... I marvel many times when somebody is spitting on some game or new phone model for which from 1st hand I KNOW it is false what they are saying.
she looks in her late twenties, but a couple of the guys look in their mid thirties' and talk about playing games which came out in the eighties. So they were five to ten and she was about five years old?
You mean you didn't play video games when you were six or seven years old? Back then, it was all single-player games, or multi-player meant multiple people sitting next to each other. But a single-player offline game in the comfort of your own home (or rather, your parents' home) doesn't bring the same dangers to young children as being online with random strangers.
Can you remember enough about a game you played when you were six to say something like, "That was a classic of that genre, having played so many of those type of games when I was six I can really say that."
Not saying no one plays games when they were six, but playing console and PC games back in the eighties? Not as common as today I would say, but it is the clarity of their experience from age 6 that gets me.
she looks in her late twenties, but a couple of the guys look in their mid thirties' and talk about playing games which came out in the eighties. So they were five to ten and she was about five years old?
You mean you didn't play video games when you were six or seven years old? Back then, it was all single-player games, or multi-player meant multiple people sitting next to each other. But a single-player offline game in the comfort of your own home (or rather, your parents' home) doesn't bring the same dangers to young children as being online with random strangers.
Can you remember enough about a game you played when you were six to say something like, "That was a classic of that genre, having played so many of those type of games when I was six I can really say that."
Not saying no one plays games when they were six, but playing console and PC games back in the eighties? Not as common as today I would say, but it is the clarity of their experience from age 6 that gets me.
I totally agree with you on this. It doesn't apply to 6 year-olds only, though. This is like everyone!!! I hate when people go on and on about how awesome game X was, but it was 15 years ago. It's merely nostalgia at that point. I remember when I first played FF1. It was great, I loved it. So much so that I dropped the $15, or whatever the cost was, to pick it up on iOS. Played it for a few hours and I was done with it. Nostalgia is like the beer goggles of the gaming world.
Most internet forums are more about boosting egos, street cred, feeling superior and being the "cool guy" than they are about having intelligent discussions. Thus people claiming untrue things doesn't come as a surprise.
Most threads here have people stating unrealistic claims with 0 evidence, throwing around derogatory remarks and insults, using fallacies (to the point that the site should be renamed fallacycentral_com), etc.
All of those things make no sense if the posters wanted good discussions or actually had valid points to make. They just weaken their standpoint and prompt others to not take them seriously.
But part of the whole issue is that old school opinions are more valid than newbie opinions simply for having been there.
Only to the old schoolers that refuse to let go. The rest don't care. Not only do they not care, but it looks like they tend to find it annoying when the old schoolers derail discussion with their chestbeating and nostalgic bleating.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
It's possible. I am 33 and was there for most of the modern MMOs and even general gaming. I barely remember Atari and the only game I remember from it was Pong. However, I loved Zelda on the NES, (Soooo many hours spent blowing into that stupid gold case) along with the dirt bike game that escapes me. You were able to build your own tracks. Bubble Bobble was another favorite. NES games were a big thing with friends at school. I also remember being crazy scared playing the Jason game. For MMORPGs I played Ultima for a short time (Less than a year) before making the switch to Everquest and it's not as if I was 8 years old. I was one of the few kids with a PC so PC gaming was a solo experience. My memories for most of it may not be as clear as older players with these games but it doesn't invalidate the experience.
your doing exactly what the OP complained about. There was no pong for 2600. There was 'video olympics' but no pong. Pong was released as a separate box. The one i had wasn't atari it was a tandy one from radio shack called 'tandy tv scoreboard'.
As a 43 year old gamer, i WAS there since the beginning. I played EQ1 from phase 1 beta onward, daoc etc etc etc.
It's possible. I am 33 and was there for most of the modern MMOs and even general gaming. I barely remember Atari and the only game I remember from it was Pong. However, I loved Zelda on the NES, (Soooo many hours spent blowing into that stupid gold case) along with the dirt bike game that escapes me. You were able to build your own tracks. Bubble Bobble was another favorite. NES games were a big thing with friends at school. I also remember being crazy scared playing the Jason game. For MMORPGs I played Ultima for a short time (Less than a year) before making the switch to Everquest and it's not as if I was 8 years old. I was one of the few kids with a PC so PC gaming was a solo experience. My memories for most of it may not be as clear as older players with these games but it doesn't invalidate the experience.
your doing exactly what the OP complained about. There was no pong for 2600. There was 'video olympics' but no pong. Pong was released as a separate box. The one i had wasn't atari it was a tandy one from radio shack called 'tandy tv scoreboard'.
As a 43 year old gamer, i WAS there since the beginning. I played EQ1 from phase 1 beta onward, daoc etc etc etc.
And honestly, who cares?
Exactly like I said, I barely remember it. If I wanted to lie about it I could have easily pulled up a wiki. Usually when people start throwing out exact dates and using them as memories I go 'Really? I can barely remember what I had for breakfast yesterday.' I also don't have an amazing memory when it comes to stuff like this.
I don't think it's possible for me to care less about internet/gaming-cred. I was NOT there for Ultima Online or EQ's beta. I was NOT there for DAoC, ever. I also never played AO, which is one of the few I regret not trying in it's prime. Not sure how it matters. I have never thought after reading someone's gaming resume 'He was really there during beta, his opinion matters more than the new guy!' To completely dismiss people though just because they are or look young seems silly to me. I have no doubt there is a guy out there in his mid twenties with an eidetic memory that remembers and experienced early gaming better than I did. Was just attempting to show that it's possible if someone with my less than stellar memory can actually remember early gaming.
Well I find this topic a bit distastefull actually. This is something that allot of people do, it's not something uncommon. To start a thread about it shows that you are annoyed about it. I can understand this but talking about it wlll not change anything. You will see this happen many times in the future so I suggest " Get used to it" filter information and dont get annoyed. Think of it as something you can chuckle about and then put it to rest. Welcome to earth where allot of BS is going on and just try to focus on the positive things in life, it will make you allot more happyer then concentrating on the negative.
There is this thing in gaming where people like to say they were in that old MMO, they played that old game. But you have to question, were they really there?
Now this has been questioned on here before, I remember a guy once saying something like "It seems to be fashionable to say you were in DAOC." I think he was right but the thing is, we can't see each other on forums, it is when you can see the person and they look like they just got out of university it gets a bit much.
As a fan of Videogame Nation, I do like their look at retro games. But some of them who were supposed to be playing games in the eighties simply look too young. I am going to mention Aoife Wilson because she looks in her late twenties, but a couple of the guys look in their mid thirties' and talk about playing games which came out in the eighties. So they were five to ten and she was about five years old?
It does stretch your belief a bit. It seems gaming journalists even more than players like to think they have been playing for the entre history of gaming.
I suppose this happens in other hobbies too, sports fans who say they saw that match, presenters who talk like they were there in the 1960's. But come on when you can see the person cannot be that old it just starts to look silly.
I wasn't in DAOC, i've been in the MMO worlds since Anarchy online, then moved to EQ1, but never use that fact to try to win an argument or wave an epeen around.
But part of the whole issue is that old school opinions are more valid than newbie opinions simply for having been there.
Only to the old schoolers that refuse to let go. The rest don't care. Not only do they not care, but it looks like they tend to find it annoying when the old schoolers derail discussion with their chestbeating and nostalgic bleating.
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it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
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Even if you really were there, "you are just being nostalgic" anyway. The issue is actually 2-fold. For the most part, the games that were out back then, either don't exist anymore or have changed entirely. So, in the end, It really doesn't matter. I've stopped holding my breath for an Old School MMO. I'm playing FFXIV and rather enjoying it TBH.
As a fan of Videogame Nation, I do like their look at retro games. But some of them who were supposed to be playing games in the eighties simply look too young. I am going to mention Aoife Wilson because she looks in her late twenties, but a couple of the guys look in their mid thirties' and talk about playing games which came out in the eighties. So they were five to ten and she was about five years old?
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I have to wonder... have you considered that maybe they played them later on? I'm 36 yet my youngest brother is 17, he's played many old school games, because he grew up with the ability to do so, he had my genesis, SNES, as well as NES. As well as a huge library of games to choose from. I also let him play on my SWG account when I'd watch him at my apartment when he was really young. He has tons of experience with old school games.
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she looks in her late twenties, but a couple of the guys look in their mid thirties' and talk about playing games which came out in the eighties. So they were five to ten and she was about five years old?
You mean you didn't play video games when you were six or seven years old? Back then, it was all single-player games, or multi-player meant multiple people sitting next to each other. But a single-player offline game in the comfort of your own home (or rather, your parents' home) doesn't bring the same dangers to young children as being online with random strangers.
Can you remember enough about a game you played when you were six to say something like, "That was a classic of that genre, having played so many of those type of games when I was six I can really say that."
Not saying no one plays games when they were six, but playing console and PC games back in the eighties? Not as common as today I would say, but it is the clarity of their experience from age 6 that gets me.
Joust was epic tyvm.
Why do you not have some clear memories from age 6? Maybe you should have laid off the hard drugs? Assuming it's impossible for other people to have clear memories from 6 because you don't is bad form.
It does stretch your belief a bit. It seems gaming journalists even more than players like to think they have been playing for the entre history of gaming.
I've 53, and my first computer was built in 1977. I graduated H.S. three years later.
I've owned 300 (acoustic!), 1200, 2400, and on up to 56k bauds for dialup, and then the first-test broadband offered in this area. The oldest, clunkiest cablemodem with the worst tech support ever. Dad owned an original bar-tabletop-coinop Pong game. I owned a Captain Fantastic pinball machine, and (later) a rebuilt Galaga console. I shoveled quarters into the space invaders game at Farrell's Ice Cream and at Aladdin's Castle.
I've owned 286's, 386s, pentiums, dual cores, quad cores. And every major version of windows from 3.1 on up.
I can operate in DOS, and in several coding languages. I can operate a smartphone too! Barely.
So yes, I have been playing games for the entire history of (PC) gaming. Including the code-your-own in 48k of RAM memory and save it on cassette tape era (thankfully brief).
Does it matter? That guy over there, born in the late 90s. Is his opinion worth less because he missed all that old-timer crap?
Assume everyone who posts here is a teenager, if it makes your arguments feel more secure. Drop a lot of "Hey Kids" (because everyone likes that guy, right?)
Does it matter? That guy over there, born in the late 90s. Is his opinion worth less because he missed all that old-timer crap?
All depends what you are talking about, of course. But yes, for many things, the opinion of someone much younger and without the experience is worth less than the one of someone who has the experience and knows what he's talking about.
Or we just can completely ignore experience from now on and give the same pay to a young person fresh out of school with no real life experience than to a veteran with many years of experience and a deep knowledge of how real life works.
Just a reminder: we're talking about games here. Real life has little or no application to the topic.
Does it matter? That guy over there, born in the late 90s. Is his opinion worth less because he missed all that old-timer crap?
All depends what you are talking about, of course. But yes, for many things, the opinion of someone much younger and without the experience is worth less than the one of someone who has the experience and knows what he's talking about.
Or we just can completely ignore experience from now on and give the same pay to a young person fresh out of school with no real life experience than to a veteran with many years of experience and a deep knowledge of how real life works.
Just a reminder: we're talking about games here. Real life has little or no application to the topic.
However if you are talking about say the state of MMO's now compared to the EQ/UO days that lack of experience would matter when it come to their opinions. It's all depends on the subject at hand.
Does it matter? That guy over there, born in the late 90s. Is his opinion worth less because he missed all that old-timer crap?
No, his opinion is still worth as little as yours. Facts, data, history and experience have weight and value. A rather large obstacle in trying to discuss things on these forums is having to tolerate the uninformed, misinformed or simply CRAZY opinions of people with zero understanding of the subject of discussion.
In your 53 years, you've probably seen some stuff and done some stuff. I doubt you spent it inside an egg that yesterday just rolled down a hill, cracked open, and introduced you to the world. So whether we are talking about how game interfaces were in the 80s or the field you work in, it's a reasonable assumption that you have a bit more knowledge and first hand experience than someone who either read about that game or learned about your job on some present day webpage.
You also have the advantage of a certain level of perspective due to your experience. To be clear,"I was there, therefore I am right" is not where we are going here. However, if someone says "Vanilla WOW was so ridiculously easy when it came out" and someone else says "I wish I played Vanilla WOW, not one of these easy MMOs that we have today" you have two different perspectives being presented. YOU were there. You experienced MMOs and PC games at the time.
Is it reasonable to assume (yes, I know the meme) that your assessment of those two statements would be more accurate than that of someone who was born in the late 90s?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
she looks in her late twenties, but a couple of the guys look in their mid thirties' and talk about playing games which came out in the eighties. So they were five to ten and she was about five years old?
You mean you didn't play video games when you were six or seven years old? Back then, it was all single-player games, or multi-player meant multiple people sitting next to each other. But a single-player offline game in the comfort of your own home (or rather, your parents' home) doesn't bring the same dangers to young children as being online with random strangers.
Can you remember enough about a game you played when you were six to say something like, "That was a classic of that genre, having played so many of those type of games when I was six I can really say that."
Not saying no one plays games when they were six, but playing console and PC games back in the eighties? Not as common as today I would say, but it is the clarity of their experience from age 6 that gets me.
The first games I played that I'd think of today as being great games from history were Zelda 2 and Mario 2. And I did go back and play those occasionally more than a decade after I initially got them, though for Mario 2, it was technically as part of Super Mario All-Stars. I played Zelda 2 before I ever played Zelda 1, though 1 was good, too. I did not like Super Mario Bros. at all. To this day, I think the main reasons Super Mario Bros. and Duck Hunt are remembered much is that so many people had them because they were included with an NES console, not because they were any good.
A lot of the earlier games that I had played that people might think of as classics today, I didn't like much: Pac-Man, Dig Dug, River Raid, Moon Patrol, etc. Centipede was okay. I liked Galaga some, but didn't really think of it as great.
I don't know how many (if any) of those games I played when I was six. I know that I played all of them except possibly Zelda 1 when I was no older than 8, with the exception that there were multiple Pac-Man games and I'm not sure which one I played.
I remember a friend of mine that lived 2 doors down from me , his parents got him the Atari system , he had pong and some other games .. he was all amped up ... so i went over and tried it with him for bout 15 minutes .. and
I was like this is boring lets go fishing ... .. Didnt impress me at all..
But later when i got Com 64 i was compleltly immersed into the everything gaming had to offer at that time , and was soon playing MUDS thru Quantum Link , then thru AOL later .. was such great fun ...
really lost alot of time in all the Olympic games , Karateka , Highlander .. ehmm something Forest .. was a crazy game i remember these giant mosquitoes would catch ya a drill a hole thru the top your head ..Blood every where .. Road Rash .. whewww so much fun (btw spirtula successor and very good game on its own atm) in testing and can be gotten on Steam called Road Redemption .. ahh the Sword of Fargoal , Bards TAle .. etc..
but i digress .. i have been thru this entire gaming history and really have enjoyed every moment and hope to to have many years to come ...
Does it matter? That guy over there, born in the late 90s. Is his opinion worth less because he missed all that old-timer crap?
No, his opinion is still worth as little as yours. Facts, data, history and experience have weight and value. A rather large obstacle in trying to discuss things on these forums is having to tolerate the uninformed, misinformed or simply CRAZY opinions of people with zero understanding of the subject of discussion.
In your 53 years, you've probably seen some stuff and done some stuff. I doubt you spent it inside an egg that yesterday just rolled down a hill, cracked open, and introduced you to the world. So whether we are talking about how game interfaces were in the 80s or the field you work in, it's a reasonable assumption that you have a bit more knowledge and first hand experience than someone who either read about that game or learned about your job on some present day webpage.
You also have the advantage of a certain level of perspective due to your experience. To be clear,"I was there, therefore I am right" is not where we are going here. However, if someone says "Vanilla WOW was so ridiculously easy when it came out" and someone else says "I wish I played Vanilla WOW, not one of these easy MMOs that we have today" you have two different perspectives being presented. YOU were there. You experienced MMOs and PC games at the time.
Is it reasonable to assume (yes, I know the meme) that your assessment of those two statements would be more accurate than that of someone who was born in the late 90s?
Oddly enough some of the most crazy opinions I see around here come from EQ1 vets. It's usually something like: When will developers ever learn all they really need to do to create the most successful MMO of all time is to reskin EQ1 with cutting edge graphics and animations?
When anyone says: Back in the old days when wow was good I just think; how young you are whippersnapper. That doesnt mean I say anything to them. I just quietly contemplate how fast time flies.
And then I remember how old I am and cry a little.
I played EQ1 as my first mmo from 1999 and raided almost every night for several years, and I got invited to the family and friends beta in world of warcraft, which I then played for what seems to me now as months.
I did not play UO or Daoc, Im not ever going to need to pretend to have played a game I did not play.
I dont know why anyone who wasnt actually playing mmo's back in the late 90s early 00's would pretend to have played them. Anyone who actually did, would be able to tell and call their bullshit. You have to know what it felt like to play games where your mistakes had actual detrimental consequences. Where you'd feel actual fear, if you made a mistake. Ive never felt it since Everquest. But I'll never forget it.
Wow Vanilla to me is a newer game. - To me, with my perspective, old mmo's are Everquest, Swg pre cu, and maybe Lineage 2.
Thats because for my reference frame those are some of my first mmo's. People who started gaming way before me will have a whole nother reference frame. Some of them will have played UO or Daoc, or Lineage... some of them played MUDs.
There is this thing in gaming where people like to say they were in that old MMO, they played that old game. But you have to question, were they really there?
Now this has been questioned on here before, I remember a guy once saying something like "It seems to be fashionable to say you were in DAOC." I think he was right but the thing is, we can't see each other on forums, it is when you can see the person and they look like they just got out of university it gets a bit much.
As a fan of Videogame Nation, I do like their look at retro games. But some of them who were supposed to be playing games in the eighties simply look too young. I am going to mention Aoife Wilson because she looks in her late twenties, but a couple of the guys look in their mid thirties' and talk about playing games which came out in the eighties. So they were five to ten and she was about five years old?
It does stretch your belief a bit. It seems gaming journalists even more than players like to think they have been playing for the entre history of gaming.
I suppose this happens in other hobbies too, sports fans who say they saw that match, presenters who talk like they were there in the 1960's. But come on when you can see the person cannot be that old it just starts to look silly.
I am 60 years old. Played pretty much everything or every type of video game when they were "new". My kids started playing video games when I did. Most started almost at the same time they could start talking. My youngest, now 25, is pretty good a (not my opinion but others) at most video games and has a pretty good knowledge of all but a very few of those early games I started playing. So, yes, it is possible that you could be in your mid to late 20's and still have good knowledge of what you speak. However, i think too many time those opinions are more a matter of "nostalgia" then the fact that they would stack up better then many games today. Let's face it. the games back then were fun but the graphics sound and gameplay were all pretty simple. They were fun because it was all we had. Today, we have much better of everything. The problem is that those developing games don't know what FUN means.
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Only games? This is common problem in any area. I have played many games, especially a lot in maybe last 10 years ... and have changed many phones .... I marvel many times when somebody is spitting on some game or new phone model for which from 1st hand I KNOW it is false what they are saying.
Can you remember enough about a game you played when you were six to say something like, "That was a classic of that genre, having played so many of those type of games when I was six I can really say that."
Not saying no one plays games when they were six, but playing console and PC games back in the eighties? Not as common as today I would say, but it is the clarity of their experience from age 6 that gets me.
I totally agree with you on this. It doesn't apply to 6 year-olds only, though. This is like everyone!!! I hate when people go on and on about how awesome game X was, but it was 15 years ago. It's merely nostalgia at that point. I remember when I first played FF1. It was great, I loved it. So much so that I dropped the $15, or whatever the cost was, to pick it up on iOS. Played it for a few hours and I was done with it. Nostalgia is like the beer goggles of the gaming world.
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Most internet forums are more about boosting egos, street cred, feeling superior and being the "cool guy" than they are about having intelligent discussions. Thus people claiming untrue things doesn't come as a surprise.
Most threads here have people stating unrealistic claims with 0 evidence, throwing around derogatory remarks and insults, using fallacies (to the point that the site should be renamed fallacycentral_com), etc.
All of those things make no sense if the posters wanted good discussions or actually had valid points to make. They just weaken their standpoint and prompt others to not take them seriously.
Only to the old schoolers that refuse to let go. The rest don't care. Not only do they not care, but it looks like they tend to find it annoying when the old schoolers derail discussion with their chestbeating and nostalgic bleating.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
your doing exactly what the OP complained about. There was no pong for 2600. There was 'video olympics' but no pong. Pong was released as a separate box. The one i had wasn't atari it was a tandy one from radio shack called 'tandy tv scoreboard'.
As a 43 year old gamer, i WAS there since the beginning. I played EQ1 from phase 1 beta onward, daoc etc etc etc.
And honestly, who cares?
Exactly like I said, I barely remember it. If I wanted to lie about it I could have easily pulled up a wiki. Usually when people start throwing out exact dates and using them as memories I go 'Really? I can barely remember what I had for breakfast yesterday.' I also don't have an amazing memory when it comes to stuff like this.
I don't think it's possible for me to care less about internet/gaming-cred. I was NOT there for Ultima Online or EQ's beta. I was NOT there for DAoC, ever. I also never played AO, which is one of the few I regret not trying in it's prime. Not sure how it matters. I have never thought after reading someone's gaming resume 'He was really there during beta, his opinion matters more than the new guy!' To completely dismiss people though just because they are or look young seems silly to me. I have no doubt there is a guy out there in his mid twenties with an eidetic memory that remembers and experienced early gaming better than I did. Was just attempting to show that it's possible if someone with my less than stellar memory can actually remember early gaming.
Well I find this topic a bit distastefull actually. This is something that allot of people do, it's not something uncommon. To start a thread about it shows that you are annoyed about it. I can understand this but talking about it wlll not change anything. You will see this happen many times in the future so I suggest " Get used to it" filter information and dont get annoyed. Think of it as something you can chuckle about and then put it to rest. Welcome to earth where allot of BS is going on and just try to focus on the positive things in life, it will make you allot more happyer then concentrating on the negative.
I wasn't in DAOC, i've been in the MMO worlds since Anarchy online, then moved to EQ1, but never use that fact to try to win an argument or wave an epeen around.
Opps valid should have been valued.
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LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
Even if you really were there, "you are just being nostalgic" anyway. The issue is actually 2-fold. For the most part, the games that were out back then, either don't exist anymore or have changed entirely. So, in the end, It really doesn't matter. I've stopped holding my breath for an Old School MMO. I'm playing FFXIV and rather enjoying it TBH.
I have to wonder... have you considered that maybe they played them later on? I'm 36 yet my youngest brother is 17, he's played many old school games, because he grew up with the ability to do so, he had my genesis, SNES, as well as NES. As well as a huge library of games to choose from. I also let him play on my SWG account when I'd watch him at my apartment when he was really young. He has tons of experience with old school games.
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Joust was epic tyvm.
Why do you not have some clear memories from age 6? Maybe you should have laid off the hard drugs? Assuming it's impossible for other people to have clear memories from 6 because you don't is bad form.
Actually, i clearly remember playing games like Crash Bandicoot, Battle Arena Tushinden and more on PS1 when i was 6 - 7 years old. :P
That was back in 1996 - 1997.
I've 53, and my first computer was built in 1977. I graduated H.S. three years later.
I've owned 300 (acoustic!), 1200, 2400, and on up to 56k bauds for dialup, and then the first-test broadband offered in this area. The oldest, clunkiest cablemodem with the worst tech support ever. Dad owned an original bar-tabletop-coinop Pong game. I owned a Captain Fantastic pinball machine, and (later) a rebuilt Galaga console. I shoveled quarters into the space invaders game at Farrell's Ice Cream and at Aladdin's Castle.
I've owned 286's, 386s, pentiums, dual cores, quad cores. And every major version of windows from 3.1 on up.
I can operate in DOS, and in several coding languages. I can operate a smartphone too! Barely.
So yes, I have been playing games for the entire history of (PC) gaming. Including the code-your-own in 48k of RAM memory and save it on cassette tape era (thankfully brief).
Does it matter? That guy over there, born in the late 90s. Is his opinion worth less because he missed all that old-timer crap?
Assume everyone who posts here is a teenager, if it makes your arguments feel more secure. Drop a lot of "Hey Kids" (because everyone likes that guy, right?)
Just a reminder: we're talking about games here. Real life has little or no application to the topic.
However if you are talking about say the state of MMO's now compared to the EQ/UO days that lack of experience would matter when it come to their opinions. It's all depends on the subject at hand.
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No, his opinion is still worth as little as yours. Facts, data, history and experience have weight and value. A rather large obstacle in trying to discuss things on these forums is having to tolerate the uninformed, misinformed or simply CRAZY opinions of people with zero understanding of the subject of discussion.
In your 53 years, you've probably seen some stuff and done some stuff. I doubt you spent it inside an egg that yesterday just rolled down a hill, cracked open, and introduced you to the world. So whether we are talking about how game interfaces were in the 80s or the field you work in, it's a reasonable assumption that you have a bit more knowledge and first hand experience than someone who either read about that game or learned about your job on some present day webpage.
You also have the advantage of a certain level of perspective due to your experience. To be clear,"I was there, therefore I am right" is not where we are going here. However, if someone says "Vanilla WOW was so ridiculously easy when it came out" and someone else says "I wish I played Vanilla WOW, not one of these easy MMOs that we have today" you have two different perspectives being presented. YOU were there. You experienced MMOs and PC games at the time.
Is it reasonable to assume (yes, I know the meme) that your assessment of those two statements would be more accurate than that of someone who was born in the late 90s?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
The first games I played that I'd think of today as being great games from history were Zelda 2 and Mario 2. And I did go back and play those occasionally more than a decade after I initially got them, though for Mario 2, it was technically as part of Super Mario All-Stars. I played Zelda 2 before I ever played Zelda 1, though 1 was good, too. I did not like Super Mario Bros. at all. To this day, I think the main reasons Super Mario Bros. and Duck Hunt are remembered much is that so many people had them because they were included with an NES console, not because they were any good.
A lot of the earlier games that I had played that people might think of as classics today, I didn't like much: Pac-Man, Dig Dug, River Raid, Moon Patrol, etc. Centipede was okay. I liked Galaga some, but didn't really think of it as great.
I don't know how many (if any) of those games I played when I was six. I know that I played all of them except possibly Zelda 1 when I was no older than 8, with the exception that there were multiple Pac-Man games and I'm not sure which one I played.
I remember a friend of mine that lived 2 doors down from me , his parents got him the Atari system , he had pong and some other games .. he was all amped up ... so i went over and tried it with him for bout 15 minutes .. and
I was like this is boring lets go fishing ... .. Didnt impress me at all..
But later when i got Com 64 i was compleltly immersed into the everything gaming had to offer at that time , and was soon playing MUDS thru Quantum Link , then thru AOL later .. was such great fun ...
really lost alot of time in all the Olympic games , Karateka , Highlander .. ehmm something Forest .. was a crazy game i remember these giant mosquitoes would catch ya a drill a hole thru the top your head ..Blood every where .. Road Rash .. whewww so much fun (btw spirtula successor and very good game on its own atm) in testing and can be gotten on Steam called Road Redemption .. ahh the Sword of Fargoal , Bards TAle .. etc..
but i digress .. i have been thru this entire gaming history and really have enjoyed every moment and hope to to have many years to come ...
Oddly enough some of the most crazy opinions I see around here come from EQ1 vets. It's usually something like: When will developers ever learn all they really need to do to create the most successful MMO of all time is to reskin EQ1 with cutting edge graphics and animations?
When anyone says: Back in the old days when wow was good I just think; how young you are whippersnapper. That doesnt mean I say anything to them. I just quietly contemplate how fast time flies.
And then I remember how old I am and cry a little.
I played EQ1 as my first mmo from 1999 and raided almost every night for several years, and I got invited to the family and friends beta in world of warcraft, which I then played for what seems to me now as months.
I did not play UO or Daoc, Im not ever going to need to pretend to have played a game I did not play.
I dont know why anyone who wasnt actually playing mmo's back in the late 90s early 00's would pretend to have played them. Anyone who actually did, would be able to tell and call their bullshit. You have to know what it felt like to play games where your mistakes had actual detrimental consequences. Where you'd feel actual fear, if you made a mistake. Ive never felt it since Everquest. But I'll never forget it.
Wow Vanilla to me is a newer game. - To me, with my perspective, old mmo's are Everquest, Swg pre cu, and maybe Lineage 2.
Thats because for my reference frame those are some of my first mmo's. People who started gaming way before me will have a whole nother reference frame. Some of them will have played UO or Daoc, or Lineage... some of them played MUDs.
I never did.
I am 60 years old. Played pretty much everything or every type of video game when they were "new". My kids started playing video games when I did. Most started almost at the same time they could start talking. My youngest, now 25, is pretty good a (not my opinion but others) at most video games and has a pretty good knowledge of all but a very few of those early games I started playing. So, yes, it is possible that you could be in your mid to late 20's and still have good knowledge of what you speak. However, i think too many time those opinions are more a matter of "nostalgia" then the fact that they would stack up better then many games today. Let's face it. the games back then were fun but the graphics sound and gameplay were all pretty simple. They were fun because it was all we had. Today, we have much better of everything. The problem is that those developing games don't know what FUN means.
Let's party like it is 1863!