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PFO rated #2 "Most Disappointing" game of 2015
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Every single one of these things is a BAD thing. And you hold them up like an accomplishment.
1) No wipe. Even after bugs are found. Look at how the glitches doomed Neverwinter.
2) FFA PvP. Except when spelled out. But griefing is accepted as a viable strategy by the CEO
3) Territory is for larger guilds. What if you're in a purposely small guild? Screwed.
4) Along with 3. XP fixed over time means that if you weren't subbed from the get go you can't catch up. It may not be TRUE but it also holds people back from joining games like Eve. They PERCIEVE they're behind the curve.
There would be something seriously wrong with games like Dayz, Rust, Ark, etc.. charging a subscription fee...
That is Pathfinders business plan, just as a box fee is any of those other games business plan. IN short all of those games are taking advantage of running with their business plan, while still being considered alpha products by their studios...
Bill has also gone on record as saying once you're charging.. you're released in his eyes... he's said that about mere cash-shops with F2P games. In other words, games you don't have to pay a dime for. What's good enough for the goose is good enough for the gander as they say... otherwise it just looks like a selective public lynching.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The CEO of Goblinworks has stated PO is NOT in an alpha state, it is a complete game. Are you saying the CEO in charge of the game is wrong?
The game was reviewed due to the CEO coming here and stating that the game is NOT in any kind of testing state and is a complete game. If those other games you mentioned are claiming they are "complete" then they should be reviewed. Luckily they are hiding behind early access/alpha/beta testing state.
If I understand correctly it will never be finished because it is an mmo and mmorpgs evolve over time, he said it was min viable product, that it was ready for players and reviews... It is not an alpha state game, it is the game absent bells and whistles, it has been released lol and it is more or less crap
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I was referring to the idea of charging money, in reply to what Ikeda said... which even Bill has said he views any game as released that is charging money, so reviewing those other games would fit the bill.
Doesn't GW consider it to still be in a early access state BTW? My understanding of what he was saying was it's core features are in place, there's nothing missing in that regard, that doesn't mean they don't have a ton of things to work out. My guess was he was referring to major features being in place, guild systems, combat, building, and crafting. OR what ever other features that entails. I don't play the game nor have any interest to do so.
I just feel it would be fair to treat all EA games the same as...IMO it was reviewed because people raised a stink about it. In other words to please their own crowd here on MMORPG.com.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I didn't realize that 2015 was over.
While not the best game so far, I'll be reserving rankings for sometime in January 2016.
Four possibilities :
Fee access, no subscription, wipe at launch. <= Certainly not an Alpha, but clearly a Beta. It's just a preorder, with beta access as a perk. SoA, The Repopulation.
Subscription, wipe at launch. Not Alpha either, it's Beta. It's a paid Beta, which is in my opinion absolutely wrong and should be condemned. But it's a Beta anyway.
Fee access, no wipe. Well, It's a complete game all right. But it won't be costing you any more money, should you play or not play.
Subscription, no wipe. Complete game, and as long as you want to play, you must pay. Each time you want to try it again to see If it changed, you must pay again. The game is obviously launched.
PFO would even fit a fifth category, the one in which each month you don't pay to be subscribed, you're pushed back in terms of raw power.
Why would multiplayer games charge a sub. Should "Call of duty" charge a sub?
This is single world persistent MMO, which can and do charge subs. How could you even make that comparison.
Actually, he said if they're charging a fee AND there will be no more character wipes, then that's when he considers a game released.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
Did you not click the link to the article in the OP's first post? The article title is "The List: The Top 5 Most Disappointing MMOs of 2015…So Far". Note the words at the end. So Far.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
To be disappointing means you had high expectations then were let down.
Example i had super high expectations for FFXIV but was let down,i had really high expectations for SWTOR but was let down again.
As to 2015 there is not one single game that i can say i had high expectations for to be let down,so in reality none of them are disappointing,i expected them to be poor quality games and they are.
The only named game i have not tried was TESO ,so i really have no comment there but again ,i never expected that to be great so even if i got in and it was bad,i can't say i would be disappointed not surprised.
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No game I can think of 2004 charged a monthly fee and admitted the game were nowhere near ready for launch.
In fact, FFXIV were deemed to be not in good enough shape after the launch and stopped all monthly fees until it was, that took 2 years or so.
No other game have done this so it is not a matter of being with the times, this would be bad in 2004 and it is bad now.
That all doesn't mean Pathfinder can't be a great game once it actually becomes ready (it certainly have potential) but anything you charge for is open for reviews both now and 2004. In fact it was the same back in 1996 as well.
#1 is World of Warcraft.
I think they'll get over this. Kind of how you aren't getting over your hatred of all things PO