Originally posted by Lasastard Originally posted by Somnulus The OP's review was extremely even-handed and highly accurate. I would personally endorse his review over yours, burrek, because honestly it was more accurate.
The fact remains that Burrek focuses on facts rather than personal taste and expectations - while the OP here did not (for example his community rating - completly bullshit to rate the community of a open beta). As such - like it or not - Burreks review is much better. That still wont change he fact that you (or other people) will not like the game for what it is...but this has N O T H I N G to do with a neutral review of a game. What you are talking about is called "my opinion ..." If you claim to be a reviewer you have to keep things neutral...you cant say things like " the engine is crap because my 3 year old computer cant run it on highest settings..."
However, I agree that the value of DnD probably does not justify a monthly fee of 15$...if they dont add quality content on a monthly basis, that is.
You're wrong on almost all counts, and Ill tell you why: DDO for the preorder beta had one server open. ONE. The amount of preorders and the amount of people playing the 10 day beta will be roughly the same amount of people you will find per server when DDO goes gold. If anything, it was MORE people than will be found per server. As such, it's an accurate representation of what one could expect from the DDO "community" when the game goes gold. I've done an awful lot of beta and alpha testing (and as mentioned before, was on a dev team for one), and this was, hands down, the quietest, deadest, most nonexistent community I've ever encountered in any of them. Horizons had more conversation going on.
Nothing in my review was "personal taste"...it was based on a widely accepted standard of what a game in the genre should have, and what the masses generally want. I think you're blinded by your love for the game or the D&D thought, personally. To read the other guy's review (which is why I wrote one myself) would have people believing it's just about the greatest game ever, there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with it, it's a party every second, and one of the most flawless game releases of all time. It was a pep rally--NO negatives were stressed (and in most cases, never even mentioned). Or rather, it USED to be a pep rally. I found it quite amusing and more than a little ironic that he went in there and edited the thing days after the fact (today, as it were) to include some negative things about the game that he had completely glossed or ignored up until...well, this one. An internet attempt at saving face, I would imagine.
Please by all means, find anything biased in that review I wrote up. You won't find it. Why? Because I genuinely *wanted* to like this game. I've been waiting for it for quite a while. I sold my WoW account in anticipation of this one being the game to take me home, so to speak. It didn't deliver. And it won't--not for most.
You're wrong on almost all counts, and Ill tell you why: DDO for the preorder beta had one server open. ONE. The amount of preorders and the amount of people playing the 10 day beta will be roughly the same amount of people you will find per server when DDO goes gold. If anything, it was MORE people than will be found per server. As such, it's an accurate representation of what one could expect from the DDO "community" when the game goes gold. I've done an awful lot of beta and alpha testing (and as mentioned before, was on a dev team for one), and this was, hands down, the quietest, deadest, most nonexistent community I've ever encountered in any of them. Horizons had more conversation going on.
So, you were in the pre-order beta, in the closed beta.... so you have been playing the game for a couple of months now... oh and you also purchsed the full game! Great job, vote with your wallet.
Nothing in my review was "personal taste"...it was based on a widely accepted standard of what a game in the genre should have, and what the masses generally want. I think you're blinded by your love for the game or the D&D thought, personally. To read the other guy's review (which is why I wrote one myself) would have people believing it's just about the greatest game ever, there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with it, it's a party every second, and one of the most flawless game releases of all time. It was a pep rally--NO negatives were stressed (and in most cases, never even mentioned). Or rather, it USED to be a pep rally. I found it quite amusing and more than a little ironic that he went in there and edited the thing days after the fact (today, as it were) to include some negative things about the game that he had completely glossed or ignored up until...well, this one. An internet attempt at saving face, I would imagine.
... more insults....
I did not include those as part of the review, I put them there since to some people they could make a difference, yet they have no impact on my scoring of the game. I find it ironic that you decided to come back and flame me after you proclaimed your total superiority.
I dare you to point out any major fault that I missed in my review. If you find some I'll be glad to change my scoring.
Please by all means, find anything biased in that review I wrote up. You won't find it. Why? Because I genuinely *wanted* to like this game. I've been waiting for it for quite a while. I sold my WoW account in anticipation of this one being the game to take me home, so to speak. It didn't deliver. And it won't--not for most.
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I understand that many DnD fan bois feel betrayed and need to lash out at DDO for not fullfilling their every desire, but enaugh is enaugh.
Fairly accurate review, with some personal objections.
For me and my friends, we were 8 RL friends playing, the game ran flawlessly, I had the noticeable lag on 3 or 4 occasions and that was bandwidth lag and I do not even know if that was on my end or theirs.
I have a p4 2.6 Northwood
FX 5900 128 MB card
1gb of ram
I had no graphic lag that I could notice, in taverns I switched from high to medium, zoning times were below 10 seconds on average.
So on lag/performance, at least for me I would have to put 8+.
The gameplay to me was awesome, I do agree that the lack of macros was quite annoying and it did have some other flaws as well but I still would put it at 7 or 8.
What little I saw of the community, in this test and earlier, ( seeing as we were a bunch or RL friends playing most of the times ), the people I met were generally well behaved, knowledgable and generous as well as quite a few of them really did get into character.
If wow get a community score of say 5, DDO gets 4.000.000+.
To me, with pretty much the same facts that the OP posted I would give DDO somewere between 7.5 and 8.5.
There are flaws and the unbalance of XP between quests is one of them, but among the numerous MMO's I have beta tested and played technically DDO is very very polished, one might argue about content or systems, but they all work and there are very few bugs in comparison to most if not all other MMO releases to date.
I just pre-ordered the EU version BTW, see you all ( at least some of you ), on the 28th.
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The fact remains that Burrek focuses on facts rather than personal taste and expectations - while the OP here did not (for example his community rating - completly bullshit to rate the community of a open beta).
As such - like it or not - Burreks review is much better. That still wont change he fact that you (or other people) will not like the game for what it is...but this has N O T H I N G to do with a neutral review of a game. What you are talking about is called "my opinion ..."
If you claim to be a reviewer you have to keep things neutral...you cant say things like " the engine is crap because my 3 year old computer cant run it on highest settings..."
However, I agree that the value of DnD probably does not justify a monthly fee of 15$...if they dont add quality content on a monthly basis, that is.
You're wrong on almost all counts, and Ill tell you why: DDO for the preorder beta had one server open. ONE. The amount of preorders and the amount of people playing the 10 day beta will be roughly the same amount of people you will find per server when DDO goes gold. If anything, it was MORE people than will be found per server. As such, it's an accurate representation of what one could expect from the DDO "community" when the game goes gold. I've done an awful lot of beta and alpha testing (and as mentioned before, was on a dev team for one), and this was, hands down, the quietest, deadest, most nonexistent community I've ever encountered in any of them. Horizons had more conversation going on.
Nothing in my review was "personal taste"...it was based on a widely accepted standard of what a game in the genre should have, and what the masses generally want. I think you're blinded by your love for the game or the D&D thought, personally. To read the other guy's review (which is why I wrote one myself) would have people believing it's just about the greatest game ever, there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with it, it's a party every second, and one of the most flawless game releases of all time. It was a pep rally--NO negatives were stressed (and in most cases, never even mentioned). Or rather, it USED to be a pep rally. I found it quite amusing and more than a little ironic that he went in there and edited the thing days after the fact (today, as it were) to include some negative things about the game that he had completely glossed or ignored up until...well, this one. An internet attempt at saving face, I would imagine.
Please by all means, find anything biased in that review I wrote up. You won't find it. Why? Because I genuinely *wanted* to like this game. I've been waiting for it for quite a while. I sold my WoW account in anticipation of this one being the game to take me home, so to speak. It didn't deliver. And it won't--not for most.
bugs !?
i hope you are talking about beta.
i played more then 12hours yesterday. Not a crash, not a bug.
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Fairly accurate review, with some personal objections.
For me and my friends, we were 8 RL friends playing, the game ran flawlessly, I had the noticeable lag on 3 or 4 occasions and that was bandwidth lag and I do not even know if that was on my end or theirs.
I have a p4 2.6 Northwood
FX 5900 128 MB card
1gb of ram
I had no graphic lag that I could notice, in taverns I switched from high to medium, zoning times were below 10 seconds on average.
So on lag/performance, at least for me I would have to put 8+.
The gameplay to me was awesome, I do agree that the lack of macros was quite annoying and it did have some other flaws as well but I still would put it at 7 or 8.
What little I saw of the community, in this test and earlier, ( seeing as we were a bunch or RL friends playing most of the times ), the people I met were generally well behaved, knowledgable and generous as well as quite a few of them really did get into character.
If wow get a community score of say 5, DDO gets 4.000.000+.
To me, with pretty much the same facts that the OP posted I would give DDO somewere between 7.5 and 8.5.
There are flaws and the unbalance of XP between quests is one of them, but among the numerous MMO's I have beta tested and played technically DDO is very very polished, one might argue about content or systems, but they all work and there are very few bugs in comparison to most if not all other MMO releases to date.
I just pre-ordered the EU version BTW, see you all ( at least some of you ), on the 28th.
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Originally posted by Jerek_
I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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