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The Second Act of MMOs - Tales from the Neighborhood at MMORPG.com

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
edited August 2015 in News & Features Discussion

imageThe Second Act of MMOs - Tales from the Neighborhood at MMORPG.com

WildStar seemed to quickly fall out of favour after its launch last year, but suddenly the game is once again a hot topic for MMO bloggers. Are there second acts in the lifecycle of an MMO?

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  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    Nah, the only reason why Wildstar is generating "renewed excitement" amongst certain bloggers is that those bloggers need new and fresh material to attract page views. It's still the same game it was a year ago, and the F2P conversion won't "save" it. It may claw back some of the initial investment cost though, and hopefully that will be more than the cost of the F2P conversion. That's assuming the game wasn't originally designed in a way that would minimize the conversion costs...
  • RazeeksterRazeekster Member UncommonPosts: 2,591
    edited August 2015
    I subbed to WildStar this year after having tested it in beta and quitting due to utter boredom because of the lackluster quests and generally slow, boring leveling pace of the game. Absolutely nothing has changed. I don't understand why a game that has action based/twitch-like combat would choose to make leveling so slow, or to make quests so boring and generic, but it's so bad I unsubbed after a week, my character only having made it to level 11 (up one more level from the beta lol). Whoever was the quest designer and writer for WildStar should have been fired. Also, why is there no option to hide your location MMORPG.com? I just changed the name of my town because it straight up shows up under my name where I live... Not creepy at all.

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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    "In response… suddenly everyone is talking about WildStar!" .....sure
  • CandyCaneNJCandyCaneNJ Member UncommonPosts: 187
    SpottyGekko said:
    Nah, the only reason why Wildstar is generating "renewed excitement" amongst certain bloggers is that those bloggers need new and fresh material to attract page views. It's still the same game it was a year ago, and the F2P conversion won't "save" it. It may claw back some of the initial investment cost though, and hopefully that will be more than the cost of the F2P conversion. That's assuming the game wasn't originally designed in a way that would minimize the conversion costs...
    HOW is it the same game? I was there at launch and now I'm playing the F2P server. Are you playing on the F2P server? How many hours of play have you had there?
  • KenFisherKenFisher Member UncommonPosts: 5,035
    Are there second acts for MMORPGs?  Perhaps.  Rip it apart and rework it, basically rebuilding the game, and there's a chance.

    Other than that, my opinion is:  You never get a second chance to make a bad impression, and you don't really need one.  First time was plenty.

    I hope the relaunch works for them.  However, I don't think it will change anything for me personally.  I don't understand the mix of design elements.  To me they seem contradictory, like they haven't clearly identified who the target market is.
    Ken Fisher - Semi retired old fart Network Administrator, now working in Network Security.  I don't Forum PVP.  If you feel I've attacked you, it was probably by accident.  When I don't understand, I ask.  Such is not intended as criticism.
  • monochrome19monochrome19 Member UncommonPosts: 723
    So, its F2P now? Or not yet?
  • SomethingUnusualSomethingUnusual Member UncommonPosts: 546
    Not yet.
  • BMBenderBMBender Member UncommonPosts: 827
    edited August 2015

    You could say the same cycle series about many mmos take this one for example LOTRO or any other mmo these days it seems

    launched much fanfare,

    The game’s buzz died down, the population dropped, and many wrote it off as an MMO that never quite managed to hit its potential

    has announced their intention to move to a free-to-play payment model

    ignored six months ago (fairly or not) has suddenly become the latest hot title in MMO gamer circles

    wash rinse repeat

    FFIV is one of the few who bucked this particular hurdle and from what I understand pretty much took a complete rewrite.

    In the end the market/demographics you chose / your ability to deliver to those demographics via game play will out. If you cant meet the 2nd the buzz about the 1st is irrelevant

    Crudely speaking buz on the blogosphere is worth about as much as used tissue paper when it's time to pay bills, it isn't even good free press as those writing/reading already have their axes to grind on one side or the other. Factual info tends to be thin on the ground, much like forums/articles on sites like these:D

    Any chance1st 2nd or whatever is predicated on the gameplay/market and your ability or not to match them. As I've never been sure of who they are targeting I can't really say if THIS time it'll work out for em or not. Good luck to em anyway

    EDIT these boards really blow hard with the formatting now

    Is Return SPACE SPACE SPACE really impossible in 2015?
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  • meonthissitemeonthissite Member UncommonPosts: 917
    What's interesting to me is that absolutely no one is mentioning the progress that Ark evolution is having and that here's another title that's heading straight for consoles. I've noticed alot of game developers are hesitant about going to console and there's an easy answer for that. They can't get away with pulling the wool over the eyes of their players in the console community. People don't put up with the same nonsense we see in the PC community. Ark will be a fine addition to my new console home when it's released in 2016. I'm not really impressed by what's coming out of NCsoft of late, they have people who aren't really passionate about putting out a different kind of game with better mechanics and who tend to leave out the QoL requirements for every successful mmo. It's amazing to me that we don't see more layoffs.
  • kichwaskichwas Member UncommonPosts: 10
    Razeekster said:
    I subbed to WildStar this year after having tested it in beta and quitting due to utter boredom because of the lackluster quests and generally slow, boring leveling pace of the game. Absolutely nothing has changed. I don't understand why a game that has action based/twitch-like combat would choose to make leveling so slow, or to make quests so boring and generic, but it's so bad I unsubbed after a week, my character only having made it to level 11 (up one more level from the beta lol). Whoever was the quest designer and writer for WildStar should have been fired. Also, why is there no option to hide your location MMORPG.com? I just changed the name of my town because it straight up shows up under my name where I live... Not creepy at all.
    Seriously? You played for all of 1 more level and that is the basis of your analysis? What kind of useless non-opinion is that? I too recently came back to the game. I gave it an actual serious effort. I pushed up a few levels on my old faction - Exile. But then I decided to see the game again from the start and so switched to Dominion. Rolled out 6 new toons. 5 of them now in the 20s, and the 6th I pushed up to 50 and halfway through raid attunement. Everything that was good about the game at launch is still there: - the beautiful animation and humor - the deep lore and storytelling is just under the surface (but not in your face like FFXIV, so more modern players that need to be led along DO sadly miss it. There is more lore in Wildstar than in FFXIV and GW2 - but you can get to 50 and not even know its there). - The wildly fun and fast paced combat system. - The amazingly well done housing system. A number of things are now better: - Dungeons have been tuned a bit. I'm not a fan of easy, but by making them just a little bit easier, you can PUG them better now. They're better paced now too - a few trash pulls moved around a little to keep things from being hectic. - Questing is actually sped up a LOT from launch. Maybe too much, I routinely outleveled zones before I was even halfway into them. On Dominion this was a problem because I was reading the lore and getting really into the story... Because the story in each zone gets better the further in you go. - Lots of quality of life changes like cheaper to use taxis and some special lowbie mounts. - Many player developed community tools / add-ons that streamline things or make it easier to find groups. - At Max level, a very diverse new daily system to keep you going in different directions. - And well... lots of stuff. I've been very pleasantly re-engaged. I'm also now subbed two games: Wildstar and FFXIV.
  • Jens008Jens008 Member CommonPosts: 16
    Wildstar ruined other MMOs for me. Can;t even play WoW anymore. Everything is boring in comparison, I really can't find entertainment in standing still casting fireball over and over until I proc a pyroblast anymore... I don't understand the hate for Wildstar, the game is incredible, and the raids are immense.. :S
  • ceratop001ceratop001 Member RarePosts: 1,594
    I'm having a hard time following this writer. She seems to be all over the place and fails to make any significant point. I read her article 2 times and still can't understand her point lol.
     
  • BMBenderBMBender Member UncommonPosts: 827
    edited August 2015
    ceratop001 said:
    I'm having a hard time following this writer. She seems to be all over the place and fails to make any significant point. I read her article 2 times and still can't understand her point lol.
    I think it was bloggers will save the game, the genre, or have tea. if not I have no idea..that or she gets paid by the word
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  • IvoryTuskIvoryTusk Member CommonPosts: 1
    Gamers, eps. MMO gamers complain about everything. Every comment section is like an exercise in the negative energy of the undeserving. You cannot help wonder how many of them mistreat their mother's. It seems like such a likely pathology that the relationship they had/have with their mother's leads to most of them behaving like these awful, whiny, hateful people. First time I have checked out MMO's in a few years. I actually forgot about how bad this overall group is. Games are diversions. In order to behave like they do, games must occupy too much of their lives, which means somebody they do not value enough is enabling this behavior ...still. At least treat your mother's better.
  • fodell54fodell54 Member RarePosts: 865
    kichwas said:
    Razeekster said:
    I subbed to WildStar this year after having tested it in beta and quitting due to utter boredom because of the lackluster quests and generally slow, boring leveling pace of the game. Absolutely nothing has changed. I don't understand why a game that has action based/twitch-like combat would choose to make leveling so slow, or to make quests so boring and generic, but it's so bad I unsubbed after a week, my character only having made it to level 11 (up one more level from the beta lol). Whoever was the quest designer and writer for WildStar should have been fired. Also, why is there no option to hide your location MMORPG.com? I just changed the name of my town because it straight up shows up under my name where I live... Not creepy at all.
    Seriously? You played for all of 1 more level and that is the basis of your analysis? What kind of useless non-opinion is that? 
    One that is just as valid as yours. I deleted the rest of your post because it's pointless. If he only played the game for 2 minutes and decides it's not the game him and makes an opinion based off nothing more than that it's still as valid as any "opinion" out there. Opinions are like assholes. Everyones got them.
  • BMBenderBMBender Member UncommonPosts: 827
    IvoryTusk said:
    Gamers, eps. MMO gamers complain about everything. Every comment section is like an exercise in the negative energy of the undeserving. You cannot help wonder how many of them mistreat their mother's. It seems like such a likely pathology that the relationship they had/have with their mother's leads to most of them behaving like these awful, whiny, hateful people. First time I have checked out MMO's in a few years. I actually forgot about how bad this overall group is. Games are diversions. In order to behave like they do, games must occupy too much of their lives, which means somebody they do not value enough is enabling this behavior ...still. At least treat your mother's better.
    Good thing your not complaining about anything then.....

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  • JJ82JJ82 Member UncommonPosts: 1,258
    2nd acts, 3rd, 4th, 5th. Just look at some of the long running MMORPGs. Example: how is Asherons Call still running? many many acts making players return/keep playing.

    "People who tell you you’re awesome are useless. No, dangerous.

    They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
    http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    edited August 2015
    I never considered WS as being a good game and that is why it died out as most games do since WOW's release.

    What Wow did to the market is a shame,it opened eyes that a lot of money can be made in gaming,so the market became flooded with crap.I wouldn't say WS is crap but it is not good either.

    As to FFXIV,they really tell me the upper brass have become clueless.They have rehashed so many bad ideas in FFXIV.Example that pet arena was done in FFXI,nobody used it so why would you think it is a good idea to try it again?NOBODY likes those small instance battles so why make them?The ONLY rthing players are aiming at is the best loot,we need to get rid of that mentality and put some gaming into our games.

    I see this genre in today's market as nothing more than think of an idea toss it quickly into a game and market it.

    FYI ....you need to put a < p> after each paragraph to make spaces,ya really great bargain price they got with this website lmao.You get what you pay for,makes this site look like it was made in the year 1980 or older.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • dragonsidragonsi Member UncommonPosts: 74
    Is the Wildstar subscription servers still up and running while they are switching to free to play, or is the game down now until they are ready to switch like FF14 was? If I had a boxed game ready to install, could I play it today?
  • redward89redward89 Member UncommonPosts: 1
    edited September 2015
    dragonsi said:
    Is the Wildstar subscription servers still up and running while they are switching to free to play, or is the game down now until they are ready to switch like FF14 was? If I had a boxed game ready to install, could I play it today?
    There is the live server (requires subscription) and the test server (F2P stuff...requires either a subscription to the live server or a beta key). Both servers are running concurrently. So if you buy a boxed copy, you can play on the live server right away. Just make sure you download the live client, not the test server client.
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