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The exact moment I KNEW DDO was not for me
hadz
Member Posts: 712
I know I'm a sometime defender of this game. It has many many faults, but I always thought that there was a fairly fun (if quite repetitive game) hidden under the bad interface and lack of content. I was even considering buying it once it hit retail, as I've been playing in the Euro-beta for a couple of weeks.
But that all ended today...the exact moment was when I walked into gladewatch outpost (a level 5 quest in the marketplace) and found it to be ABSOLUTELY IDENTICAL to a level 3 quest (I think) called Kobold Assault that is in the harbor. The ONLY change AFAICT is now we're defending against bugbears instead of kobolds.
This game is a lazy uninspired, under-produced hodge-podge that Turbine should hang their head in shame at!!
Not only have they ruined (if it wasn't already) their own reputation, but they've screwed up one of the most promising fantasy franchises that has yet to be offered in an MMO. I didn't hold out much hope for Lord of the Rings Online either (because I don't think it would fit an MMO, at least not as well as D&D could have), but now I'm positive that with Turbine at the helm...LotR Online is also doomed to massive failure. Pity the MMO industry.
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But it SAYS D&D on it.. can it really suck?
[If your sarcasm detector isn't blinking, you need to upgrade to Sarcdetect 2.6]
Shayde - SWG (dead)
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That was one of my big problems with it as well. As I said in another post--you basically go from retrieving a lost badge from a bunch of kobolds to retrieving a lost badge from a bunch of trogs. The dev team was incredibly lazy in creating quests that were significantly different from other quests.
As with most of you.. I played the game through stresstests, previews, closed betas, open betas.. I enjoyed it.. especially in a guild group of rlfs using voice comms. Unfortunately, that doesn't stop DDO being 1/8th (content, depth wise) of what I expect from a modern mmorpg. An extra year might have suited. Failing that, a more competitive monthly cost (say $5-10) would have. Add to all this that the EU has been burdened with Codemasters and it's a sure no-go.
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and further back...
I'm starting to sense that you've been unhappy with DDO for at least a few days. Why the decision to create yet another thread stating what you've made clear already?
Now I begin to question when it was that you were being a defender of this game.I'm not quite sure where you were a defender of the game but it clearly wasn't in these forums.
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I was...and it was (in these forums). I think you'll find that it was about a month or so ago. After I played 2 or 3 days of one of the stress tests. But before I spent 2 weeks in the European Beta.
I don't know if you remember, but after the stress test ON THIS FORUM, I begged all the (large amount) of DDO knockers that if they didn't like it to give me their beta spot...no one gave me one.
But, I did work out how to get into the Euro Beta...and the posts you've quoted have all been posted SINCE that time...question answered? So I was a sometime defender, but that was before I REALLY got to play the game.
(EDIT: Actually it's funny, I think this is even more damning evidence of the game not being good. For one, I'd heard/read ALL the bad comments, bad press, etc. and was still desperate to play it, and two, I BELIEVED that it would be an excellent game that I would enjoy. After 2 weeks of play...it's over...I would never buy this game, and probably would tell my friends not to bother either if they showed an interest. So unfortunately for this game, the PROOF is in the pudding.)
(ANOTHER EDIT: Some of you guys really do fit the "dictionary" definition of a fanboi. You try to demonize anyone who says anything bad about the game into someone who has always hated it and has been trying to undermine the game from the start...or something almost as ridiculous at least. If you can't accept the fact that a lot of us who complain about this game started out with no preconceived ideas and really tried to like it and give it a chance, then maybe it's YOU who need to look at yourself, and take a REALITY CHECK on why you're so vehemently for the game. Most of us have VERY VALID points that we make, which I note you made NOTHING in rebuttal to, and it's the fanbois who are clutching at straws. Oh, and just because I made some negative comments in other threads...does that mean I'm suddenly not allowed to post a new thread saying why I won't be paying for or playing the game...who made you the DDO forum police??)
Come on, there have been many fanboi post in this forum, but that wasn't one of them. He made a valid point that you had been highlighting weaknesses of the game for a while.
You could easily say that there are some who will not accept that the issues you have raised makes this a poor game, but that post wasn't a fanboi reply.
Nick
The race doesn't always go to the swiftest, nor the battle to the strongest, but that's the way to bet.
Whether he's a fanboi or not, he was WRONG. (And his other posts show he's more fanboi than not)
All he did was take my RECENT posts and say I'd always been that way. If he looked back further, he'd see that I was very positive about DDO in the past, and obviously didn't take a preconceived negative idea into the game. All I'm saying is that if DDO disappoints a great majority of those who really want to like it, then it's going to have problems. (EDIT: and since when has 9 days been "a while", it just happened to coincide with me getting to play the game for over a week, enough time for me to actually judge the game properly)
Your statement "I know I'm a sometime defender of the game" is crap. I only went back to the posts that you've made on the first page at the time I posted. I didn't care to further dig up your dirt and your statement was already disproven from the little bit of garbage I pulled up so I didn't feel the need to dig any deeper for evidence that this isn't a new revolation.
The rest of the dribble in your post was subjective and pointless to discuss so I didn't. But I will now thanks to you egging me on to do so...
The mere fact that you said your moment of clarity came from a dungeon that was identical to another dungeon displayed your lack of MMO experience. Every MMO that I've played has had this type of "lol, been here done this" moment but I didn't think the MMO was suddenly useless. Do I think the designers are lazy at times? Of course. And if you have played several MMO's but somehow DDO was the exception and it was on a pedestal and couldn't fall victim to the same tricks of the trade that other MMO's get away with, that is something you have to deal with.
"Lazy, uninspired, under-produced hodge-podge" - With no supporting explanation other than the flimsy expectation that every adventure must be completely original. Hopefully you understand why your post didn't really deserve a response.
I'm usually respectful and try not to flame people for their views, but when you come in here with blatent crap and I call you on it, then you begin to berate me for it, so be it. We can be as juvenile as you like. It's pointless and in the end we'll each keep our opinions with nothing resulting from this except every time I see a post from hadz I'll know how disingenuous your posts can be.
Enjoy.
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Way to ignore the facts and stick to your own opinions...
And as for the rest of your post, insulting me and trying to start a flame war...well...it takes two to have a flame war...
Unfortunately, you'll be in this one by yourself.
Way to ignore the facts and stick to your own opinions...
And as for the rest of your post, insulting me and trying to start a flame war...well...it takes two to have a flame war...
Unfortunately, you'll be in this one by yourself.
I didn't ignore any facts. I did adequate research.. no, I did much more than adequate, I actually supplied supporting evidence. If there was a "See all posts by hadz" link, I would have just clicked it and saw your history. Had I seen a post where you defended the game, I wouldn't have made the post.
My original response to your post was something along the lines of "I hope I don't end up disliking the game as you do when I get to that level." And then I went to another thread and saw you hammering the game, only that post was older than your new revalation which didn't make sense. So I searched a few more posts and noticed a trend. I call it like I see it.
As for your wounded comment about me insulting you, I haven't insulted you. Don't be so sensitive to criticism. If that's your defensive mechanism so you don't have to defend your posts, that's fine.
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You definitely attempted to insult me (I'm not saying I was, as I know what the truth was behind my post). You called me disingenuous, just because you used a big word doesn't mean I don't understand an insult when I see it. It means you believe me to be a cold calculating misrepresenter of the truth.
For the record, I am in no way trying to misrepresent DDO, nor was my original post calculated to mislead people. If you HAD taken the time to check back on my earlier posts in this forum (not that it's very easy here at MMORPG.com to look back on peoples old posts) you WOULD find that I have made positive comments about it on this forum, and even attempted to defend it against its detractors.
As I have said before in this thread (which you are obviously ignoring). BEFORE I PLAYED THE GAME FOR MORE THAN 2 WEEKS I TOO THOUGHT IT WAS THE BEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD. But with more experience I have come to realize what low production values have been involved in its creation (you don't need me to outline them again, almost EVERY SECOND POST here does that for you), the reason I made this post was because of the "straw that broke the camel's back", and that was seeing a level 2 quest repeated almost IDENTICALLY in a level 5 quest. (Not even counting all the other quests that APPEAR so similar to each other, nor the other reams of quests that have you DOING an almost identical thing to another) If they REALLY wanted this game to shine they would have taken the time to make the MAIN PART (and some would say, the ONLY) part of the game really stand out in its variety, freshness and difference from other MMOs.
And, no, I have rarely had the "didn't I just do this feeling" in other MMOGs (the exception being CoH and for a very similar reason to DDO, the instances and the mobs are almost identical for quest after quest), because other MMOGs have hugely diverse environments and creatures that you are combatting and exploring. A quest that states kill 10 of x mobs can be VASTLY different from one that has kill 10 of y mobs, just by making the type and AI of the mobs and the area you are in different.
MMOs aren't generally noted for their variety and freshness, but honestly, I've NEVER experienced a game that felt so repetitive SO QUICKLY as DDO has. (Even CoH I lasted 3 1/2 weeks)
Anyway, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, the game may suit you well, and if so I'm glad. Maybe it just doesn't suit me. Peace.
Quite the mud slinging event here, and I am enjoying every bit of it! Things are so far gone here that there's only one way for hadz and apocalance to solve this:
Both of you - don some bikinis and wrestle it out in a jello pit!