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The back of the RF box is a laugh roit--and all lies.
pingofdeath
Member Posts: 83
Here are the things on the back of the RFO retail box. What a load of crap:
1. Develop your charachter through epic quests and combat, with dynamic skill expansion across a huge range of options.
-HAHAHA. Epic quests? Please. You get ONE new quest at each level-up, and all of them, down to the last one, consist of killing X amount of Y enemies for no good reason. They try to explain them when you first recieve the quests for about the first 4 of them. After that, the description LITERALLY has the guy giving the orders say "I don't know why they want you to do that." Dynamic skill expansion is all marketing and doesn't really mean anything. If it's talking about the PT system, it was a good idea implemented horribly wrong. All it does is double the grind.
2. Build immense war mechs, create devistating weapons or summon dieties and demons to fight for you.
- You can't build a mech. The can only be purchased, and only after level 30. Only the driver class of the Bellato can use them anyway. And creating devistating weapons? Bull. Crafters can't craft Intense level weapons.
3. Wrest control of resources from your enemies in epic daily faction v faction battles.
- Yay. Chip Wars. When I went in at level 25, 5 minutes into the battle I was one-shotted by a level 30 enemy. With him potion spamming and already having much higher attributes than mine after only 5 levels, this was an exercise in futility. After dying like that about 8 times I gave up for good. But let's say we'd won the war and I could go mine. What do I get for that? A 1/1000 chance of getting an upgrade component, and a whole lot of cash, which I can only really spend on more potions, because buying armor or weapons by the time you're ready for the Chip Wars is pointless. You'll find everything you need in drops. They don't even sell post level 30 equipment.
4. Experience smooth and seamless travel as you continue your adventures.
- Ok, that's just a flat out lie. There are level loading screens with each new map load. That's called a SEAM.
5. Form guilds, groups and cross-faction alliances to fulfil your objectives.
- Cross-faction whats? Unless they mean the Cora getting attacked from either side by Bellato and Accretian forces, there aren't any alliances. It's another lie. The closest you get to an alliance are two enemies fighting a mutual enemy before shooting/slashing each other.
6. Advanced combat mechanics provide a unique battle experience.
- Potion spamming isn't advanced. It's crap. Battles come down to who has the most 99-pot stack of 2000hp potions. With a cooldown of 3 seconds, if you have enough large potions, you're practically invincible. There's nothing unique about RFO that's good. What IS unique is this level of pot spam and numerous one-shot kills on lower level enemies.
7. Glory in jaw-dropping charachter & environment detail unseen in any other online game.
- The hell is this supposed to mean? The graphics are FAR from top of the line. Notice it doesn't even say other MMOs (which by the way, would also be untrue). I can count at least 8 games off the top of my head whose graphics turn RFO over their knees and spank it.
8. Constant updates provide a never-ending supply of content in an ever-expanding game world.
- Not constant. Bi-annual. There are 4 Giga updates--that's the only new content. To my knowledge there are only 9 maps. The 3 faction maps, the mines, the 3 neutral maps, and 2 endgame maps for elite players. Granted, most players won't ever get to those endgame maps before burning out. The game world is TINY. If you've ever played Everquest, you'll remember just how EPIC that game was. Before PoP was released (and crippled the game, IMHO), it sometimes took hours, hell, even days to get where you wanted, even with Druids to port you around. Even with PoP, it still takes a long time to get to your destination.
All in all, the blatant lies on the box should be more than enough to steer anyone interested in this game away. Do yourself a favor and save your money.
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Aside from point 3, I'd like to see anyone refute this. Really, just try it.
I also looked at the RFO box at Gamestop the other day, and something caught my attention. Apparently, CM thinks that the ability to build and pilot mechs is entirely unique to RFO. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't MAUs just glorified, expensive pets? I've never actually seen a Bellato PILOT a MAU by actually getting in. They always seem to be hanging out off to the side of their mech. If this is true and MAUs are nothing but big pets, then their claim that this is unseen in any other MMO is an outright lie. Anarchy Online lets you summon some pretty enormous bots.
I had real high hopes for this game, and I'm still trying to find a good side to it, but if CM/CCR continues with these blatant lies then I'll never even consider purchasing it out of the bottom of the bargain bin in a few months.
YEs you do pilot the MAU's, but only lvl 30+ Bellato can use them, and then most won't use them for anything but the Chip Wars..... The main reason, Insane Repair costs.
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Here is my complement to the OP, you sound like a lawyer.
Your post is one sided.
You post are half-truths.
But to me, half-truths are lies.
As I said, his post is 100% true ASIDE from point 3. You can't really refute anything else that's said, as it's a simple fact that the majority of what's posted on the back of the box is a total lie. Yes, it's one sided, but there really aren't two valid sides to this. There's the truth the OP pointed out, and there's the lies CM has put on the box.
Also, half truths aren't lies. If they were, they'd be called lies and not half truths.
CM took a pretty game from the eastern market, poorly translated it, created a great looking demo movie, put it in a pretty box, and is hoping to take advantage of uninformed western gamers. CM has an opportunity to make some cash and they took it.
Fans will defend the game, but in the end compared to any major western MMORPG this game is extremely lacking.
Vanven
A friend of mine described RF as Linage 2 with Mechs. Which I thought was rather funny, not to mention apt. I'm all for furturistic PvP centric combat games, but am I gonna pay $15 a month for that kind of action? Hell no. A monthly charge game should have at least some depth. I don't see it here. Would you pay $15 a month to play BF2 or Tribes? Didn't think so.
I will give kudos to the marketing team for RF. They did a great job of packaging this game up and putting sparkling beads and shiney bits of tin foil on it to make it seem greater then its sum parts. I mean, the "demo movie" was really fun to watch. Make it a 2 hour film with some charactors and plot and I might go see it in a theatre. Just as long as I don't have to pay $49.95 to see it...
We understand that it's an Eastern MMO. The fact is it's not even as good as a lot of other Eastern MMOs. Tantra and Lineage 2, while I still think they're crap, are way better than this game. Whoever made the comment about CM trying to make a quick buck is exactly right. You and thousands of others may like this game, but the VAST majority of gamers won't.
Also, and I don't feel bad saying this, if you DO enjoy this game, this says a couple of things about you:
1. You're shallow. You don't appreciate decent lore or depth to a game.
2. Your antisocial. This game doesn't foster community interaction at all.
No matter WHAT you think about the game and about my original post, the fact is the box DOES have SEVERAL BLATANT LIES that are 100% false to 100% of people who have played the game. That alone should be enough to send up a red flag to potential buyers.
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Yes, the game is crap. Played it this weekend and cancled yesterday...Lineage II is a far superior crap game than RF.
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I just got back from a chip war Im only lvl 15 so i died quicjk i just wanted to check it out after i was done
I went back to hunt and after 10 minutes of hunting i realised that its late and im sick of grinding so i started runing back to hq to log off. While i was running a mob was chasing me and all the sudden i had an epiphany
I realised all i was doing is killing those mobs which give me no pleasure in killing them because i understand how the game works and it sucks bad Lineage II is way better then this.I fell that they had no skills in making this or they got bored and lazy.. Im mad that i wasted my money I could have bought
the new morrowind game thats coming out. This Game Sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the point of this site to learn about mmorgs and to make standards for monthly fees.
I dont get it the people that like it must be hypnotized,desperate for a scifi mmorgs, or just noobs.
What's sad is that no one is going to come along and make anything that will live up to the hype of RF. I would absolutely love an anime inspired sci-fi setting that has depth. I happen to like several Asian mmo's but this one just falls short at every level.
Maybe Phatasy Star Universe will be better... wait... can't get any worse really. :P
Side note: I was the 11th person to do a return of an unopened preorder at my local EB, 4 of them were store employees. The manager chuckled and said they had more preorders from the website returned than they received in initial shipments - and a day before they even received their initial shipment. Now that is telling you something.
Maybe if they had placed the client for free download and made it $9.95 USD it would have been more tolerable - no wait... even that is a ripoff.
Really folks, you can do much better with your money, if you are really hard up for an Asian mmo try Lineage2, Silk Road (free), Maple Story, Flyff, KAL, Ragnarok Online (a fav) or FFXI.
We understand that it's an Eastern MMO. The fact is it's not even as good as a lot of other Eastern MMOs. Tantra and Lineage 2, while I still think they're crap, are way better than this game. Whoever made the comment about CM trying to make a quick buck is exactly right. You and thousands of others may like this game, but the VAST majority of gamers won't.
Also, and I don't feel bad saying this, if you DO enjoy this game, this says a couple of things about you:
1. You're shallow. You don't appreciate decent lore or depth to a game.
2. Your antisocial. This game doesn't foster community interaction at all.
No matter WHAT you think about the game and about my original post, the fact is the box DOES have SEVERAL BLATANT LIES that are 100% false to 100% of people who have played the game. That alone should be enough to send up a red flag to potential buyers.
LOL I read every Lore Chapter of RFO online and even wrote my own character history. I prefer to make my own ventures than get some lame quest that doesnt really give any lore like those WoW quest that ends in not reading them anyway because there boring. I played Asheron's Call for 3.5 years they the only MMO I still respect for LORE and Story and no MMO on the market even manage to pull it off like them. Im part of a 50 men guild in RFO online, we use Ventrilo, are all actif and got a very long friend list, I basicaly group all the time. Im in touch still even with players from other guild from other MMOs even some from Lineage 2 and WoW.
After 5 years of MMOs I think that the change of style is great honnestly RFO giving me a fresh style to enjoy from all those Westerner CLONES that are out there.
By the way if you consider Noobs a player that has 3.5years clock time for AC1, 1 year of FFXI, 1.5year of Lineage 2, 1 year of WoW. That also goes to lan parties and organize lan parties. Has log beta time in games and even knows about MMO you guys didnt even know like www.bastard-online.jp for exemple.
As a disclaimer, I will take claim for my post, but not for some of the things that were quoted and attached to it.
In reading your post it is VERY clear that you are enjoying the game. These are all things that the average western gamer expects in a release. I pay money for a game to entertain me. For $50 and $15 a month I should have a smile on my face from the moment I open that box until I wear the game out months down the road. I shouldnt be paying $50 and be left with the responsibility of MAKING the game fun.
To summarize the RF Online lore:
It is clear that you enjoy the absolute lack of lore. It gives you an opportunity to make it into the game that you want. The problem with that is that 90% of the rest of western gamers expect this to actually be included in the game. We expect plot lines, characters, NPCs, and interaction without having to do it ourselves.
When I say: "I know this is going to suck, but if you really focus and work hard for the next few months it's going to pay off with some fun." It makes me sound like a McDonalds manager not a gamer. That is a HUGE fundamental issue. "Maybe if I work extra hard I can be crew leader!!!!!"
Vanven
I can't believe you're trying (and failing) to refute this crap. I don't care if you think RFO is the sex or not, the stuff on the back of the box is mostly lies and there's nothing subjective about them.
1. This "dynamic questing" (way to use buzz words to make yourself sound intelligent) is simply bullcrap. I pay get a game to immerse me in their world and their content. I don't pay jack shit to use my own imagination. Face it, the quests provided by CCR are garbage. You can put a spin on them with whatever your mind can think of, but what comes with the box is not at all epic. The box advertises that the GAME has epic quests, not quests you might be able to make somewhat epic if you use your imagination.
2. The simple fact of the matter is that you CAN'T build mechs. Period. I don't know why the hell you're whining about customization. I guess that was just something all the other troll posts whined about so you had to have that prepared on your mental hotbar or something. Devastating weapons CAN be subjective, as at level one, a level 12 weapon can be devastating. However, this is a very, very loose definition of devastating, and bordering on yet another outright lie, especially when you're much better off farming for an intense level drop. The line about summoning dieties was part of the quote and, oddly enough, the only part of it that can genuinely be considered "truth." However, notice that the OP made no mention of it being a lie.
3. As I said, this is entirely subjective.
4. No one is whining about load times here. Try reading the post before you execute your knee-jerk flame hotkey. The box advertizes a seamless world, which means NO load zones. At all. Not one. Even WoW only said that their overland continents were seamless. Nothing about RFO can be considered seamless.
5. No one is denying the ability for guilds to use strategy. The part of that quote that is a lie is the cross-faction alliances. This is simply not possible within the game. He never whined about the strategic aspect of the game, which, I admit, is actually there. Try refuting the point he made about the cross-faction alliances WITHIN THE GAME.
6. Advanced combat mechanics means just that. They are advanced. Advanced means that it's either a significant step forward from previous systems or an entirely unique system unto itself. RFO is neither. Again, we're not complaining about the combat mechanics itself, but rather the fact that they are being falsely represented as "advanced."
7. This is the second most subjective point next to number 3. However, RFOs graphics are not at all advanced. the ART may be good, but the graphics are not. Art and graphics are two entirely different things. Again, it is the GRAPHICS which are being falsely represented as jaw dropping here. That is just plain wrong. The EQ2 engine, properly loaded up with good art, is jaw dropping.
8. The game came out a YEAR AND A HALF AGO. In that time, CCR has released a grand total of 3 content updates. This is, by no stretch of the imagination, "constant." Couple this with the fact that the content is far from never-ending and you have another blatant lie on your hands. If you think CM is going to change things and release content themselves or push CCR to push out content faster, then stop kidding yourself. CM has NO LEGAL RIGHTS to publish new content. Only CCR can make new content, and they've been very lax about it.
Thanks for playing, but I really don't think you should continue this crusade of "RFO is GOD." You're only making yourself look like a complete moron.
Wow. That was alot of unnecessary hostility.
No, RFO is not what I expected it to be because CM made it out to be something completely different. That's called false advertising my friend, and it's against the law. And no, it's not that easy to dig up real, factual information about the game. The gameplay trailer is just a complete lie. Up until a couple of days after release, the official site didn't even have basic class info posted. CM made RFO out to be a sci-fi fantasy hybrid with three races vying for supremacy over some precious, nameless mineral on a far off world. The FAQ states nothing but empty promises and more false advertising about the actual gameplay.
Up until a few days ago, all us non-Korean speaking players had to go on were obscure promises and a basic game concept. The fan sites were the only place to go to for any real information. To the average gamer who sees the RFO official site and notices barely any information on it, why should he or she seek out fansites, which (in most games) have LESS basic info about the game?
Release is the first time a large amount of players are able to gather any real information about the game. And I, like many others, have seen a decent concept become horribly, horribly marred by atrocious gameplay mechanics and a reprehensible GUI. We have every right to be angry.
Some of your facts are wrong, so you don't toally know what you are talking about. For one, yes, you can create cross-faction alliances. Did you know that leaders of the races are the only people able to understand the othe leaders? The entire reason for this is so that they can create alliances if need be, and it happens fairly often. So you are wrong about that.
In your first post you said that you can't create great weapons. Well aside from the crafters (which can craft intense weapons in the upcoming update (GIGA 4), any player can upgrade and individualize their equipment through using talics. That is what the box meant, you just don't know what you are talking about.
And the graphics are amazing, I don't know what you are smoking about that. Also, how many other games do you think could routinely have 200 character models on the screen without barely a snag after the initial load-up? Not many that I can think of. The lack of armor customization means that CHip Wars run much more smoothly. In FFXI, you couldn't be on the screen with more than 25 or 30 people without crazy lag.
You write well, but as stated, it is one-sided, and some of your disputes are blatantly false.
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Sorry i didn't read past wow isnt a care bear game har har....even people who play wow like its there job admit its care bear....haha
Sorry i didn't read past wow isnt a care bear game har har....even people who play wow like its there job admit its care bear....haha
hmmm Closed Minded I Think. Hey I at least I gave the game a shot.
Which FF Character Are You?
Currently Playing: WoW, Guild Wars, DDO
Have Played: FFXI, EVE, CoH/CoV, Linage2, LotRO: Alpha - Open Beta
Awaiting: WAR, WAR40K
NON-MMO Playing: Jade Empire
Once again, with emphasis.
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