But this isnt SJW in the traditional sense- This is gamers trying to fix shit that has went wrong with our hobby.
This is the Policing of our hobby as best can be done.
And DS being a hero is funny as shit- But thats the truth and how History will see this. I dont speak for DS (I support him) but I think hes here as gamer and nothing else.
Im sure you could ask him, and if you're polite he may appear to answer. His motivations arent really my concern though imho- Hes doing right. Hes right.
Don´t lump all together... Especially when "this is" a tiny subfraction fo a tiny subfraction that pretty much only get airtime because it is clickbait worthy. But if you think that a person as well versed in viral marketing as Mr Smart would not have a agenda with what he does... Well... God bless your innocent soul... Because reality sure as f*** will not.
He is a man with an axe to grind and he just came across his perfect grindstone. Maybe he is the hero you people deserve... but he is far from the hero the genre/hobby needs.
And no to call your qualifications in to question (actually that would be a lie) but i would not trust most in here to police a school-crossing... Let alone act as a advocate for a entire genre. (even if you could... You can´t.. but if you could. )
I dont CARE if he has an agenda...
Dude, the last crowdfunded game I went after was due to an agenda because the dude ripped my buddy off.
I even admitted the bias I had- But I had truth and documentation on my side... Just because I had an agenda didnt mean my information was bad. It wasnt - And I like to hope I saved some sucker a few bucks because they were crowdfunding at their website.
So even if DS has an agenda-it doesnt take way from the factualness of his claims. -Hes right.
EDIT- My qualifications? HA- Im a white boy nerd who grew up in the hoods of Detroit (if you can imagine) and I know the way the world works as a result. Ive crossed confidence men, scammers and real motherfuckers unlike these neckbeard hipster fucks. Easy to spot .
Since nobody was doing anything, I qualified myself.
Me too, my Dad owned a store on Hoover between 8 and 7 mile rds.
SW Coolige-
Man you're a bro? Awesome.
I'm not there anymore , Im more Ann Arbor area now semi close to U of M.
I know hoover and 8 mile well man.
I got out of there when I was a young man- The D aint no joke. I still visit but I enjoy suburbia a whole lot better . I grew up dirt poor and ill never be poor again
Then you must know the store, Marty's for Party's! I went to Pulaski, Von Stueben (spelled wrong) and Osborn high School. Good times back then.
I find it fascinating how people think the allegations from this article are factual without a shred of proof. The site that posted the article is reportedly in financial straits after huge layoffs in the past and is being propped up by the parent company currently. It has been reported that the site has had a huge influx of traffic since posting the story. Since this article is founded in uncovering a fraud or scam do you think the article itself is a fraud or scam by the site to increase revenue? So far they have failed to prove otherwise.
If wrongs have been committed by CIG there are laws in the United States that fully address possible issues from employment violations to fraud. The reality of this situation is a person in the United States would of course acquire an attorney far before rushing in as a defender of social justice. Reality also covers that CIG is a private company and ultimately what they do is basically nobody's business. Consumers choose to spend their money where and how they want.
It will be interesting to see how this proceeds in the coming months.
Yoyo mofos I grew up in Detroit therefor I know how the world works... I'm so fly and nerdy white.
You know nothing John Sn... Jacxolope.
Well considering we both see CR as someone who is lying about having a working game and wasting money like it was tap water, yeah we can see scammers for who they really are.
CrazKanuk said: What Derek Smart really needs is the tech that SC is developing. Oh WAIT!!! That's why this all came up in the first place. It's Derek's MO down to a "T"
What tech? Demo tech? Video tech? Hangar Simulator 2015? World of Tanks in space?
I don't give two shits about DS, never heard of the guy before SC. But there's been a whole helluva lot of "donation" campaigns and publicity appearances done, and relatively little actual work or progress shown over the four years of development.
Without the Escapist article, I would never have even looked into the progress (or lack thereof) being made on SC. So you can fault (I guess?) them for drawing attention to this lack of progress on (what may be) false claims against CR. But you can't deny that other studios, with less funds and in the same amount of time, have released completed projects that have been considered incredible works (aforementioned World of Warcraft and ES:Skyrim). The fact that CIG isn't even close to providing a working beta of their own project is less than reassuring.
Yoyo mofos I grew up in Detroit therefor I know how the world works... I'm so fly and nerdy white.
You know nothing John Sn... Jacxolope.
Well considering we both see CR as someone who is lying about having a working game and wasting money like it was tap water, yeah we can see scammers for who they really are.
Pretty much.
When you grow up seeing scams every single day, rip offs and how they work, confidence men and their victims- You start to get clue. Then you come online and see the dumb fucks throwing their money at dreams to amounts of money that are sickening\-
Yup.
Dude, I know the store well. Crazy shit- used to hit that on our way to farmington Hills for some beverages
No shit?
Also- This is the second crowfunding project ive called out. So far im batting 1000 (Tigers rule ) so... I'l,l stand by my thoughts until proven wrong. heard the same shit from fanboys from project #1)
AND regardless of ll this bullshit-- Derek Smart is still correct. lol
The site that posted the article is reportedly in financial straits after huge layoffs in the past and is being propped up by the parent company currently. It has been reported that the site has had a huge influx of traffic since posting the story.
Reality also covers that CIG is a private company and ultimately what they do is basically nobody's business. Consumers choose to spend their money where and how they want.
The fact that CIG isn't even close to providing a working beta of their own project is less than reassuring.
Define working beta....
Last time i tried the game i could bot enter and fly ships in a fully working environment. (now it had a frame rate of a slow motion comics but that is a different issue all together.
Was it much of a game... Nope... But as i said.. define working beta.
The site that posted the article is reportedly in financial straits after huge layoffs in the past and is being propped up by the parent company currently. It has been reported that the site has had a huge influx of traffic since posting the story.
Reality also covers that CIG is a private company and ultimately what they do is basically nobody's business. Consumers choose to spend their money where and how they want.
The site that posted the article is reportedly in financial straits after huge layoffs in the past and is being propped up by the parent company currently. It has been reported that the site has had a huge influx of traffic since posting the story.
Reality also covers that CIG is a private company and ultimately what they do is basically nobody's business. Consumers choose to spend their money where and how they want.
do you notice something funny?
If you think common sense is funny.
you should apply your "common sense" less selectively then
The fact that CIG isn't even close to providing a working beta of their own project is less than reassuring.
Define working beta....
Last time i tried the game i could bot enter and fly ships in a fully working environment. (now it had a frame rate of a slow motion comics but that is a different issue all together.
Was it much of a game... Nope... But as i said.. define working beta.
Beta, named after the second letter of the Greek alphabet, is the software development phase following alpha. Software in the beta stage is also known as betaware.[3]Beta phase generally begins when the software is feature complete but likely to contain a number of known or unknown bugs.[4] Software in the beta phase will generally have many more bugs in it than completed software, as well as speed/performance issues and may still cause crashes or data loss. The focus of beta testing is reducing impacts to users, often incorporating usability testing.
CrazKanuk said: What Derek Smart really needs is the tech that SC is developing. Oh WAIT!!! That's why this all came up in the first place. It's Derek's MO down to a "T"
What tech? Demo tech? Video tech? Hangar Simulator 2015? World of Tanks in space?
I don't give two shits about DS, never heard of the guy before SC. But there's been a whole helluva lot of "donation" campaigns and publicity appearances done, and relatively little actual work or progress shown over the four years of development.
Without the Escapist article, I would never have even looked into the progress (or lack thereof) being made on SC. So you can fault (I guess?) them for drawing attention to this lack of progress on (what may be) false claims against CR. But you can't deny that other studios, with less funds and in the same amount of time, have released completed projects that have been considered incredible works (aforementioned World of Warcraft and ES:Skyrim). The fact that CIG isn't even close to providing a working beta of their own project is less than reassuring.
That because most people are taking what chris roberts says as the truth, i see people keep asking for proof who these people are who gave the information to the person who wrote the article, but chris roberts hasn't shown anything that everything is fine and dandy at Star Citizen either, if it was me being accused of these things and i knew everything was fine with the project i would have no problem showing proof.
So people are paying to go to a convention to be shown stuff they should be shown anyway for free, seems like they are just trying to get more money out of the fanatics.
I mentioned last night because a thought came into my head and someone just wanted to have an argument about it which was, Derek Smart has made games so he knows how the process works, do you not think he might of noticed chris wasn't make as much progress as he should of done over them years.
But all someone wanted to do was argue about the quality of Derek Smarts game, it doesn't matter about the quailty of his games, he has made games and knows the process.
I don't know any of his games and is quite irrelevant in my view.
CrazKanuk said: What Derek Smart really needs is the tech that SC is developing. Oh WAIT!!! That's why this all came up in the first place. It's Derek's MO down to a "T"
What tech? Demo tech? Video tech? Hangar Simulator 2015? World of Tanks in space?
I don't give two shits about DS, never heard of the guy before SC. But there's been a whole helluva lot of "donation" campaigns and publicity appearances done, and relatively little actual work or progress shown over the four years of development.
Without the Escapist article, I would never have even looked into the progress (or lack thereof) being made on SC. So you can fault (I guess?) them for drawing attention to this lack of progress on (what may be) false claims against CR. But you can't deny that other studios, with less funds and in the same amount of time, have released completed projects that have been considered incredible works (aforementioned World of Warcraft and ES:Skyrim). The fact that CIG isn't even close to providing a working beta of their own project is less than reassuring.
That because most people are taking what chris roberts says as the truth, i see people keep asking for proof who these people are who gave the information to the person who wrote the article, but chris roberts hasn't shown anything that everything is fine and dandy at Star Citizen either, if it was me being accused of these things and i knew everything was fine with the project i would have no problem showing proof.
So people are paying to go to a convention to be shown stuff they should be shown anyway for free, seems like they are just trying to get more money out of the fanatics.
I mentioned last night because a thought came into my head and someone just wanted to have an argument about it which was, Derek Smart has made games so he knows how the process works, do you not think he might of noticed chris wasn't make as much progress as he should of done over them years.
But all someone wanted to do was argue about the quality of Derek Smarts game, it doesn't matter about the quailty of his games, he has made games and knows the process.
I don't know any of his games and is quite irrelevant in my view.
CrazKanuk said: What Derek Smart really needs is the tech that SC is developing. Oh WAIT!!! That's why this all came up in the first place. It's Derek's MO down to a "T"
What tech? Demo tech? Video tech? Hangar Simulator 2015? World of Tanks in space?
I don't give two shits about DS, never heard of the guy before SC. But there's been a whole helluva lot of "donation" campaigns and publicity appearances done, and relatively little actual work or progress shown over the four years of development.
Without the Escapist article, I would never have even looked into the progress (or lack thereof) being made on SC. So you can fault (I guess?) them for drawing attention to this lack of progress on (what may be) false claims against CR. But you can't deny that other studios, with less funds and in the same amount of time, have released completed projects that have been considered incredible works (aforementioned World of Warcraft and ES:Skyrim). The fact that CIG isn't even close to providing a working beta of their own project is less than reassuring.
That because most people are taking what chris roberts says as the truth, i see people keep asking for proof who these people are who gave the information to the person who wrote the article, but chris roberts hasn't shown anything that everything is fine and dandy at Star Citizen either, if it was me being accused of these things and i knew everything was fine with the project i would have no problem showing proof.
So people are paying to go to a convention to be shown stuff they should be shown anyway for free, seems like they are just trying to get more money out of the fanatics.
I mentioned last night because a thought came into my head and someone just wanted to have an argument about it which was, Derek Smart has made games so he knows how the process works, do you not think he might of noticed chris wasn't make as much progress as he should of done over them years.
But all someone wanted to do was argue about the quality of Derek Smarts game, it doesn't matter about the quailty of his games, he has made games and knows the process.
I don't know any of his games and is quite irrelevant in my view.
Careful the fanboy's can't handle logic. It makes their heads hurt!
CrazKanuk said: What Derek Smart really needs is the tech that SC is developing. Oh WAIT!!! That's why this all came up in the first place. It's Derek's MO down to a "T"
What tech? Demo tech? Video tech? Hangar Simulator 2015? World of Tanks in space?
I don't give two shits about DS, never heard of the guy before SC. But there's been a whole helluva lot of "donation" campaigns and publicity appearances done, and relatively little actual work or progress shown over the four years of development.
Without the Escapist article, I would never have even looked into the progress (or lack thereof) being made on SC. So you can fault (I guess?) them for drawing attention to this lack of progress on (what may be) false claims against CR. But you can't deny that other studios, with less funds and in the same amount of time, have released completed projects that have been considered incredible works (aforementioned World of Warcraft and ES:Skyrim). The fact that CIG isn't even close to providing a working beta of their own project is less than reassuring.
That because most people are taking what chris roberts says as the truth, i see people keep asking for proof who these people are who gave the information to the person who wrote the article, but chris roberts hasn't shown anything that everything is fine and dandy at Star Citizen either, if it was me being accused of these things and i knew everything was fine with the project i would have no problem showing proof.
So people are paying to go to a convention to be shown stuff they should be shown anyway for free, seems like they are just trying to get more money out of the fanatics.
I mentioned last night because a thought came into my head and someone just wanted to have an argument about it which was, Derek Smart has made games so he knows how the process works, do you not think he might of noticed chris wasn't make as much progress as he should of done over them years.
But all someone wanted to do was argue about the quality of Derek Smarts game, it doesn't matter about the quailty of his games, he has made games and knows the process.
I don't know any of his games and is quite irrelevant in my view.
Careful the fanboy's can't handle logic. It makes their heads hurt!
I know they don't which i can't understand, i have already posted my view on what i think of fanatics i think it might of been them posts that got me the warning for trolling, which i am not, i was just trying to get a point across.
CrazKanuk said: What Derek Smart really needs is the tech that SC is developing. Oh WAIT!!! That's why this all came up in the first place. It's Derek's MO down to a "T"
What tech? Demo tech? Video tech? Hangar Simulator 2015? World of Tanks in space?
I don't give two shits about DS, never heard of the guy before SC. But there's been a whole helluva lot of "donation" campaigns and publicity appearances done, and relatively little actual work or progress shown over the four years of development.
Without the Escapist article, I would never have even looked into the progress (or lack thereof) being made on SC. So you can fault (I guess?) them for drawing attention to this lack of progress on (what may be) false claims against CR. But you can't deny that other studios, with less funds and in the same amount of time, have released completed projects that have been considered incredible works (aforementioned World of Warcraft and ES:Skyrim). The fact that CIG isn't even close to providing a working beta of their own project is less than reassuring.
That because most people are taking what chris roberts says as the truth, i see people keep asking for proof who these people are who gave the information to the person who wrote the article, but chris roberts hasn't shown anything that everything is fine and dandy at Star Citizen either, if it was me being accused of these things and i knew everything was fine with the project i would have no problem showing proof.
So people are paying to go to a convention to be shown stuff they should be shown anyway for free, seems like they are just trying to get more money out of the fanatics.
I mentioned last night because a thought came into my head and someone just wanted to have an argument about it which was, Derek Smart has made games so he knows how the process works, do you not think he might of noticed chris wasn't make as much progress as he should of done over them years.
But all someone wanted to do was argue about the quality of Derek Smarts game, it doesn't matter about the quailty of his games, he has made games and knows the process.
I don't know any of his games and is quite irrelevant in my view.
Careful the fanboy's can't handle logic. It makes their heads hurt!
I know they don't which i can't understand, i have already posted my view on what i think of fanatics i think it might of been them posts that got me the warning for trolling, which i am not, i was just trying to get a point across.
This is very deep concerning an emotional and/or financial attachment.
We'll never fully understand. And when it all collapses we wont understand the excuses given.
CrazKanuk said: What Derek Smart really needs is the tech that SC is developing. Oh WAIT!!! That's why this all came up in the first place. It's Derek's MO down to a "T"
What tech? Demo tech? Video tech? Hangar Simulator 2015? World of Tanks in space?
I don't give two shits about DS, never heard of the guy before SC. But there's been a whole helluva lot of "donation" campaigns and publicity appearances done, and relatively little actual work or progress shown over the four years of development.
Without the Escapist article, I would never have even looked into the progress (or lack thereof) being made on SC. So you can fault (I guess?) them for drawing attention to this lack of progress on (what may be) false claims against CR. But you can't deny that other studios, with less funds and in the same amount of time, have released completed projects that have been considered incredible works (aforementioned World of Warcraft and ES:Skyrim). The fact that CIG isn't even close to providing a working beta of their own project is less than reassuring.
Hey, Derek doesn't show an interest in anything (like this) unless he wants it or it's something that he did.
The failure of SC, means the ability to purchase the assets at 10 cents on the dollar. He's not taking this company over, so that's his only recourse. Why is he so focused on SC, when he has his own game that's very similar to SC and is already in beta? It's lightyears ahead of SC.
Any update on this? Wasn't the deadline the 5th of October for the apology. I can't find any updates since then.
Escapist gave CIG the middle finger in the nicest way I have seen in a long time.
now if you want a good laugh go read Derek's newest blog post and read the back and forth between Ortwin and Derek's lawyers. It's a funny read if you can get past some of the legalise
The fact that CIG isn't even close to providing a working beta of their own project is less than reassuring.
Define working beta....
Last time i tried the game i could bot enter and fly ships in a fully working environment. (now it had a frame rate of a slow motion comics but that is a different issue all together.
Was it much of a game... Nope... But as i said.. define working beta.
Beta, named after the second letter of the Greek alphabet, is the software development phase following alpha. Software in the beta stage is also known as betaware.[3]Beta phase generally begins when the software is feature complete but likely to contain a number of known or unknown bugs.[4] Software in the beta phase will generally have many more bugs in it than completed software, as well as speed/performance issues and may still cause crashes or data loss. The focus of beta testing is reducing impacts to users, often incorporating usability testing.
When you read that notice how CR isn't even close to a working Pre-alpha.
Aight... After having gone back over the original pitch and subsequent info.. You are right... While the first pitch has been met (apart from timeline) they quickly added stuff on that has not been met (as per the defenition of beta above) but for that first basic game elements.. they are all there more or less.
Now what can be argued is the shuffle of S42... Since some people could argue they backed just for that specific feature that now sits in a limbo-esq place of self hatred.. =P
But as far as i have managed to read up on... Unless they actually goes belly up in december... I see no real problem of them meeting most of the re-negotiated deadlines (esp as S42 have been moved to minimum viable product status)
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Yoyo mofos I grew up in Detroit therefor I know how the world works... I'm so fly and nerdy white.
You know nothing John Sn... Jacxolope.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
If wrongs have been committed by CIG there are laws in the United States that fully address possible issues from employment violations to fraud. The reality of this situation is a person in the United States would of course acquire an attorney far before rushing in as a defender of social justice. Reality also covers that CIG is a private company and ultimately what they do is basically nobody's business. Consumers choose to spend their money where and how they want.
It will be interesting to see how this proceeds in the coming months.
Life IS Feudal
Well considering we both see CR as someone who is lying about having a working game and wasting money like it was tap water, yeah we can see scammers for who they really are.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
At least he was not west Philadelphia born and raised... =P
This have been a good conversation
I don't give two shits about DS, never heard of the guy before SC. But there's been a whole helluva lot of "donation" campaigns and publicity appearances done, and relatively little actual work or progress shown over the four years of development.
Without the Escapist article, I would never have even looked into the progress (or lack thereof) being made on SC. So you can fault (I guess?) them for drawing attention to this lack of progress on (what may be) false claims against CR. But you can't deny that other studios, with less funds and in the same amount of time, have released completed projects that have been considered incredible works (aforementioned World of Warcraft and ES:Skyrim). The fact that CIG isn't even close to providing a working beta of their own project is less than reassuring.
When you grow up seeing scams every single day, rip offs and how they work, confidence men and their victims- You start to get clue. Then you come online and see the dumb fucks throwing their money at dreams to amounts of money that are sickening\-
Yup.
Dude, I know the store well. Crazy shit- used to hit that on our way to farmington Hills for some beverages
No shit?
Also- This is the second crowfunding project ive called out. So far im batting 1000 (Tigers rule ) so... I'l,l stand by my thoughts until proven wrong. heard the same shit from fanboys from project #1)
AND regardless of ll this bullshit-- Derek Smart is still correct. lol
do you notice something funny?
Last time i tried the game i could bot enter and fly ships in a fully working environment. (now it had a frame rate of a slow motion comics but that is a different issue all together.
Was it much of a game... Nope... But as i said.. define working beta.
This have been a good conversation
If you think common sense is funny.
Life IS Feudal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle
When you read that notice how CR isn't even close to a working Pre-alpha.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
So people are paying to go to a convention to be shown stuff they should be shown anyway for free, seems like they are just trying to get more money out of the fanatics.
I mentioned last night because a thought came into my head and someone just wanted to have an argument about it which was, Derek Smart has made games so he knows how the process works, do you not think he might of noticed chris wasn't make as much progress as he should of done over them years.
But all someone wanted to do was argue about the quality of Derek Smarts game, it doesn't matter about the quailty of his games, he has made games and knows the process.
I don't know any of his games and is quite irrelevant in my view.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
If you're waiting on 'news'I would expect developments on or before Monday if nothing else happens.
EDIT- Escapist stands by their story.
The ball is in E's court.
Life IS Feudal
We'll never fully understand. And when it all collapses we wont understand the excuses given.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Hey, Derek doesn't show an interest in anything (like this) unless he wants it or it's something that he did.
The failure of SC, means the ability to purchase the assets at 10 cents on the dollar. He's not taking this company over, so that's his only recourse. Why is he so focused on SC, when he has his own game that's very similar to SC and is already in beta? It's lightyears ahead of SC.
Crazkanuk
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now if you want a good laugh go read Derek's newest blog post and read the back and forth between Ortwin and Derek's lawyers. It's a funny read if you can get past some of the legalise
Aight... After having gone back over the original pitch and subsequent info.. You are right... While the first pitch has been met (apart from timeline) they quickly added stuff on that has not been met (as per the defenition of beta above) but for that first basic game elements.. they are all there more or less.
Now what can be argued is the shuffle of S42... Since some people could argue they backed just for that specific feature that now sits in a limbo-esq place of self hatred.. =P
But as far as i have managed to read up on... Unless they actually goes belly up in december... I see no real problem of them meeting most of the re-negotiated deadlines (esp as S42 have been moved to minimum viable product status)
This have been a good conversation