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Five 'Deep Cuts' for Hardcore MMO Players - The List at MMORPG.com

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
edited October 2015 in News & Features Discussion

imageFive 'Deep Cuts' for Hardcore MMO Players - The List at MMORPG.com

For the past couple of Lists, Ripper X and I have brought you the Five Best MMOs for New Players and Five MMOs for Experienced Players. As promised, this week we’re taking a look at five “deep cuts” for the most hardcore of players out there, who are either looking for intense PvP experiences, open world sandbox mayhem, or a glimpse into the history and legacy of the MMO genre.

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  • Zarkin86Zarkin86 Member UncommonPosts: 122
    wow, i LOVE darkfalls holy wars graphics design. it looks so cool and more on the realism side. sure graphics are old but im really impressed by it. looks awesome.
  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Age of Wushu!
  • PappabeardkPappabeardk Member UncommonPosts: 14
    Love me some Asheron's Call
  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,901
    Still cant find a game that swept me away like EQ1 and DAoC did. I would still be playing EQ1 on and off if the wife didnt hate the interface so much lol
  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726
    edited October 2015
    Funny I never considered Everquest a hardcore MMO unless you count in the ridiculous raiding in the original game which most players never bothered with because it was dominated by a few large guilds.   Personally I think DAoC was far more hardcore because of the top notch PVP.  The Darkness Falls dungeon during change over was a hoot.

    I resubbed to Asheron's call some time ago as it was one of my favorites, but wow the steep learning curve was more than I was ready for.  Amazing how quickly you forget the complexities.
  • striderida1striderida1 Member UncommonPosts: 4
    EQOA was pretty hard core and one of the best MKO's I have ever played. It wasn't even on PC wither it was on PS2!
  • sanshi44sanshi44 Member UncommonPosts: 1,187
    DMKano said:
    It burns my eyes to see EQ1 called Daybreaks flagship game - sure Daybreak owns it today, but the game was made by 989 studios whose employees are long gone - the design for eq1 was McQuaid, concept was Smedley.
    989 Studios was a division of Sony Computer Entertainment America (SCEA) that developed games for the PlayStation consoles and Windows personal computers. Their games include EverQuest, Twisted Metal III and 4, Syphon Filter and Syphon Filter 2, Jet Moto 3, Bust a Groove, and others. It now exists as the 989 Sports brand owned by SCEA that produces sports games. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/989_Studios 989 Studios was just an off shoot of SOE because if the game flopped they didnt want it part of the SoE name because it was all new territory for them and would make the compaany look bad if it did fail. On that though i would have to agree i would suspect all the origiinaly employee who made EQ are probaly gone from the company but they maybe a couple still around.
  • sanshi44sanshi44 Member UncommonPosts: 1,187
    Torval said:
    That's not the list I would have come up with for hardcore pvp. It is very sad that EQ is the top of that list. It's neither hardcore or pvp oriented.

    Mine would have looked something like this:
    5. DAoC
    4. Darkfall / DF:UW
    3. Asheron's Call
    2. UO
    1. Lineage and Lineage 2

    I'm cheating a little bit with numbers 1 and 4, but there is no doubt in my mind that Lineage (and later Lineage 2) are the kings of pvp hardcore with xp loss, item drops, and guild politics.
    who are either looking for intense PvP experiences, open world sandbox mayhem, or a glimpse into the history and legacy of the MMO genre Quote from ripperX it wasnt just about PvP games. EQ1 was a rather hardcore game pve wise imo compared to new MMO with the death penalties and all that assosciated with it back in the day it might even have been considered worst dieing in EQ then a full loot game such as darkfall since gear was easy to come by in DF while XP was not so much with the potential of loosing all equipment if u died where you couldnt get your body back. Either way Everyone will have a different list from there own experiences and all that.
  • unclemounclemo Member UncommonPosts: 462
    Daoc deserves an honorable mention me thinks.  I've been trying to fill the void that game left in me for many years now. 
  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247
    bcbully said:
    Age of Wushu!
    It's one of those titles that gets overlooked all the time.

    It's like FFXI; Its players are too busy playing the game to be out shilling or ranting on forums. 


    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
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  • DarkEvilHatredDarkEvilHatred Member UncommonPosts: 229
    If you want hardcore, Mortal Online should be on the list for sure. It may not be the best, but it is definitely hardcore.
  • sanshi44sanshi44 Member UncommonPosts: 1,187
    edited October 2015
    Torval said:
    sanshi44 said:
    Torval said:
    That's not the list I would have come up with for hardcore pvp. It is very sad that EQ is the top of that list. It's neither hardcore or pvp oriented.

    Mine would have looked something like this:
    5. DAoC
    4. Darkfall / DF:UW
    3. Asheron's Call
    2. UO
    1. Lineage and Lineage 2

    I'm cheating a little bit with numbers 1 and 4, but there is no doubt in my mind that Lineage (and later Lineage 2) are the kings of pvp hardcore with xp loss, item drops, and guild politics.
    who are either looking for intense PvP experiences, open world sandbox mayhem, or a glimpse into the history and legacy of the MMO genre Quote from ripperX it wasnt just about PvP games. EQ1 was a rather hardcore game pve wise imo compared to new MMO with the death penalties and all that assosciated with it back in the day it might even have been considered worst dieing in EQ then a full loot game such as darkfall since gear was easy to come by in DF while XP was not so much with the potential of loosing all equipment if u died where you couldnt get your body back. Either way Everyone will have a different list from there own experiences and all that.
    Compared to some new games EQ might be considered hardcore PvE. But the article is about hardcore PvP and compared to its peers of the day Lineage, UO, and AC, EQ was not a hardcore game nor was it really a pvp game.

    When I played Lineage people talked about DAoC not EQ. It's just cool to love on EQ now. EQ and EQ2 have always had pretty crappy pvp compared to games that were designed with that in mind.
    http://www.notaddicted.com/fansythefamous.php

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/issues/issue_120/2552-Fansy-The-Famous-Bard

    I dunno Fancy the Famous bard made an ammusing appearance on the PvP servers where he would train 20 Sandgiants on enemy groups killing them all where they then lost a few hours of XP grinding aswell as time needed to get there loot back. Creative use of game mechanics one would say lol
    His antics cause a no rule's pvp server into one with rules lol
  • jmcdermottukjmcdermottuk Member RarePosts: 1,571
    edited October 2015
    Torval wrote:
    "Compared to some new games EQ might be considered hardcore PvE. But the article is about hardcore PvP and compared to its peers of the day Lineage, UO, and AC, EQ was not a hardcore game nor was it really a pvp game.

    When I played Lineage people talked about DAoC not EQ. It's just cool to love on EQ now. EQ and EQ2 have always had pretty crappy pvp compared to games that were designed with that in mind."


    From the top of the article:
    "For the past couple of Lists, Ripper X and I have brought you the Five Best MMOs for New Players and Five MMOs for Experienced Players. As promised, this week we’re taking a look at five “deep cuts” for the most hardcore of players out there, who are either looking for intense PvP experiences, open world sandbox mayhem, or a glimpse into the history and legacy of the MMO genre. "

    The article isn't about hardcore PvP MMO's specifically, but hardcore MMO's in general, be they PvP or PvE oriented. It's actually a pretty good list but I think DAoC should be on there myself.
  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    FFXI didn't make the list eh?
  • CalystaAsuraCalystaAsura Member, AMA Guest CommonPosts: 1
    I'm surprised FFXI didn't make the list
  • GunnJDGunnJD Member UncommonPosts: 18
    edited October 2015
    I have so many fond memories of Asherons Call Darktide PVP. It was truly the best MMORPG experience I've ever had.

    Tried stepping back into the game a couple years ago. The ambient noises alone, from the wind to a door creaking, bring back chills and memories.

    It is a mixed bag.

    In some ways a pretty hollow experience if you have memories of the ~2003 days. The economy seems pretty broken, and some aspects of the PVP are out of balance. The various factions and alliances that made the server interesting are a shell of what they were. The world feels good, and there is a definite player base around. Ran in with some pretty good people and enjoyed leveling up with them.

    At a certain point I realized I was just playing for nostalgia's sake, and focused on other things. Definitely worth a try if you're interested though.
  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726
    sanshi44 said:
    Torval said:
    sanshi44 said:
    Torval said:
    That's not the list I would have come up with for hardcore pvp. It is very sad that EQ is the top of that list. It's neither hardcore or pvp oriented.

    Mine would have looked something like this:
    5. DAoC
    4. Darkfall / DF:UW
    3. Asheron's Call
    2. UO
    1. Lineage and Lineage 2

    I'm cheating a little bit with numbers 1 and 4, but there is no doubt in my mind that Lineage (and later Lineage 2) are the kings of pvp hardcore with xp loss, item drops, and guild politics.
    who are either looking for intense PvP experiences, open world sandbox mayhem, or a glimpse into the history and legacy of the MMO genre Quote from ripperX it wasnt just about PvP games. EQ1 was a rather hardcore game pve wise imo compared to new MMO with the death penalties and all that assosciated with it back in the day it might even have been considered worst dieing in EQ then a full loot game such as darkfall since gear was easy to come by in DF while XP was not so much with the potential of loosing all equipment if u died where you couldnt get your body back. Either way Everyone will have a different list from there own experiences and all that.
    Compared to some new games EQ might be considered hardcore PvE. But the article is about hardcore PvP and compared to its peers of the day Lineage, UO, and AC, EQ was not a hardcore game nor was it really a pvp game.

    When I played Lineage people talked about DAoC not EQ. It's just cool to love on EQ now. EQ and EQ2 have always had pretty crappy pvp compared to games that were designed with that in mind.
    http://www.notaddicted.com/fansythefamous.php

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/issues/issue_120/2552-Fansy-The-Famous-Bard

    I dunno Fancy the Famous bard made an ammusing appearance on the PvP servers where he would train 20 Sandgiants on enemy groups killing them all where they then lost a few hours of XP grinding aswell as time needed to get there loot back. Creative use of game mechanics one would say lol
    His antics cause a no rule's pvp server into one with rules lol
    Huh?  It is just ludicrous to use the word hardcore and EQ in the same sentence!  All the other games in the list were light years more hardcore than EQ.  It is not even worth trying to make a comparison.  Gamers that could not handle the other games migrated to EQ because it was much easier.  
  • DrisdaneDrisdane Member UncommonPosts: 97
    I would go back to EQ if they would overhaul the UI. It just feels so damned clunky these days with the quality-of-life UI improvements that we have seen in gaming.
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