One thing i thought sucks is now the commendation vendor sells only green mods now. So if you want blue ones you are forced to craft them or spend over the top prices on the GTN. This is just stupid if you don't play mmo's to craft.
Stopped in to ToR for a little bit todayy, and I liked what I saw with the changes. but.....I had a 420 in Artifice, and none of my characters were what I'd call 'rich'. So I was a little disappointed I couldn't purchase all the crafting recipes from the trainer even with spending 200k in credits. Didn't mind the scaling and like the new Companion changes.
Ok, so the term "p2w" doesn't compute... how about this statement "Most MMOs are now made for Whales", and they mostly are. A statement of fact proved by the F2P revenue systems and the Cash Shops. The term "p2w" is just another way to say someone is sick of MMOs being designed for Whales. SWTOR very much caters to Whales.
For those getting ready to play new KotFE... enjoy yourselves. Hope it's worth the wait.
Does it really matter in a game like TOR though? Paying the sub gets you everything including coins to spend in the shop if you so wish. There's really no reason to pay more than the price of a sub per month, as you even get the expansions that way. The only thing I could see people complaining about is restrictions for F2P, yet, as the old saying goes you get what you pay for.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Just another title that can't do enough to make me feel its worth my time, let alone any financial investment. I couldn't be bothered before, and it's looking like the trend is going to continue. What is happening with this genre? Why is there only one game worth playing?
Worth your time to post though hmm? Well I for one am glad the mmorpg genre isn't built for only you.
I agree with EvE, the way mmorpgs are now is for kids and those who want to invest alot in it. Its just not normal anymore. p2w p2convenience maybe the only mmo's that are with a kinda normal pay model is WoW and ffxiv.
Its soo sad atm that it force me to not play. But I enjoy games like witcher 3 now. Maybe in a few years they will change it for the better. Until then this veteran mmorpg will play SP games -_-
There is nothing in SWTOR that is p2w. Im not sure what your point is, I play WoW the exact same way I play SWTOR I pay a monthly fee. The only difference is in SWTOR i receive a monthly allowance that I can use to buy packs. Whats in those packs? Cosmetic items for my stronghold and toons...
Now there is nothing wrong with growing out of a hobby, I also enjoy the Witcher. Like I said before I think its great that the MMORGP genre have left players like you and eye behind.
Ok, so the term "p2w" doesn't compute... how about this statement "Most MMOs are now made for Whales", and they mostly are. A statement of fact proved by the F2P revenue systems and the Cash Shops. The term "p2w" is just another way to say someone is sick of MMOs being designed for Whales. SWTOR very much caters to Whales.
For those getting ready to play new KotFE... enjo yourselves. Hope it's worth the wait.
"Whales" a derogatory term created by the entitlement generation and those who hold their same entitlements mentality.
Again I pay monthly fee, never buy Cartel Coins with cash and have more credits then I know what to do with them. I am no "whale" and Swtor very much caters to me.
Just another title that can't do enough to make me feel its worth my time, let alone any financial investment. I couldn't be bothered before, and it's looking like the trend is going to continue. What is happening with this genre? Why is there only one game worth playing?
Worth your time to post though hmm? Well I for one am glad the mmorpg genre isn't built for only you.
I agree with EvE, the way mmorpgs are now is for kids and those who want to invest alot in it. Its just not normal anymore. p2w p2convenience maybe the only mmo's that are with a kinda normal pay model is WoW and ffxiv.
Its soo sad atm that it force me to not play. But I enjoy games like witcher 3 now. Maybe in a few years they will change it for the better. Until then this veteran mmorpg will play SP games -_-
There is nothing in SWTOR that is p2w. Im not sure what your point is, I play WoW the exact same way I play SWTOR I pay a monthly fee. The only difference is in SWTOR i receive a monthly allowance that I can use to buy packs. Whats in those packs? Cosmetic items for my stronghold and toons...
Now there is nothing wrong with growing out of a hobby, I also enjoy the Witcher. Like I said before I think its great that the MMORGP genre have left players like you and eye behind.
Ok, so the term "p2w" doesn't compute... how about this statement "Most MMOs are now made for Whales", and they mostly are. A statement of fact proved by the F2P revenue systems and the Cash Shops. The term "p2w" is just another way to say someone is sick of MMOs being designed for Whales. SWTOR very much caters to Whales.
For those getting ready to play new KotFE... enjo yourselves. Hope it's worth the wait.
"Whales" a derogatory term created by the entitlement generation and those who hold their same entitlements mentality.
Again I pay monthly fee, never buy Cartel Coins with cash and have more credits then I know what to do with them. I am no "whale" and Swtor very much caters to me.
Thanks for the insult. I always enjoy such interesting debate.
MMOs in my opinion should be "one price for all" through Subscriptions. Each Player pays the exact same price. No Cash Shop. No Free2Play. If you don't pay you can't log in. No Player can spend more than anyone else... thus absolutely no possibility of Pay2Win ever. Like the old days years ago when MMOs were new.
If that is being "entitled"... then your definition of "entitled" and mine are completely different... but that is the name of the game in the 21st Century isn't it? When you want to change opinions first change the definitions of the words that will be important to the discussion...
SWTOR may cater to you, but you are not it's intended target and neither am I. I am glad you enjoy it none the less.
Just another title that can't do enough to make me feel its worth my time, let alone any financial investment. I couldn't be bothered before, and it's looking like the trend is going to continue. What is happening with this genre? Why is there only one game worth playing?
Worth your time to post though hmm? Well I for one am glad the mmorpg genre isn't built for only you.
I agree with EvE, the way mmorpgs are now is for kids and those who want to invest alot in it. Its just not normal anymore. p2w p2convenience maybe the only mmo's that are with a kinda normal pay model is WoW and ffxiv.
Its soo sad atm that it force me to not play. But I enjoy games like witcher 3 now. Maybe in a few years they will change it for the better. Until then this veteran mmorpg will play SP games -_-
There is nothing in SWTOR that is p2w. Im not sure what your point is, I play WoW the exact same way I play SWTOR I pay a monthly fee. The only difference is in SWTOR i receive a monthly allowance that I can use to buy packs. Whats in those packs? Cosmetic items for my stronghold and toons...
Now there is nothing wrong with growing out of a hobby, I also enjoy the Witcher. Like I said before I think its great that the MMORGP genre have left players like you and eye behind.
Ok, so the term "p2w" doesn't compute... how about this statement "Most MMOs are now made for Whales", and they mostly are. A statement of fact proved by the F2P revenue systems and the Cash Shops. The term "p2w" is just another way to say someone is sick of MMOs being designed for Whales. SWTOR very much caters to Whales.
For those getting ready to play new KotFE... enjo yourselves. Hope it's worth the wait.
"Whales" a derogatory term created by the entitlement generation and those who hold their same entitlements mentality.
Again I pay monthly fee, never buy Cartel Coins with cash and have more credits then I know what to do with them. I am no "whale" and Swtor very much caters to me.
Thanks for the insult. I always enjoy such interesting debate.
MMOs in my opinion should be "one price for all" through Subscriptions. Each Player pays the exact same price. No Cash Shop. No Free2Play. If you don't pay you can't log in. No Player can spend more than anyone else... thus absolutely no possibility of Pay2Win ever. Like the old days years ago when MMOs were new.
If that is being "entitled"... then your definition of "entitled" and mine are completely different... but that is the name of the game in the 21st Century isn't it? When you want to change opinions first change the definitions of the words that will be important to the discussion...
SWTOR may cater to you, but you are not it's intended target and neither am I. I am glad you enjoy it none the less.
Wait so it's ok for you to throw around derogatory terms about those who play a video game you don't...but when you get labeled somehow it's an issue?
You've made it clear you don't enjoy Swtor, you don't play Swtor why waste your time complaining about it?
Just another title that can't do enough to make me feel its worth my time, let alone any financial investment. I couldn't be bothered before, and it's looking like the trend is going to continue. What is happening with this genre? Why is there only one game worth playing?
Worth your time to post though hmm? Well I for one am glad the mmorpg genre isn't built for only you.
I agree with EvE, the way mmorpgs are now is for kids and those who want to invest alot in it. Its just not normal anymore. p2w p2convenience maybe the only mmo's that are with a kinda normal pay model is WoW and ffxiv.
Its soo sad atm that it force me to not play. But I enjoy games like witcher 3 now. Maybe in a few years they will change it for the better. Until then this veteran mmorpg will play SP games -_-
There is nothing in SWTOR that is p2w. Im not sure what your point is, I play WoW the exact same way I play SWTOR I pay a monthly fee. The only difference is in SWTOR i receive a monthly allowance that I can use to buy packs. Whats in those packs? Cosmetic items for my stronghold and toons...
Now there is nothing wrong with growing out of a hobby, I also enjoy the Witcher. Like I said before I think its great that the MMORGP genre have left players like you and eye behind.
Ok, so the term "p2w" doesn't compute... how about this statement "Most MMOs are now made for Whales", and they mostly are. A statement of fact proved by the F2P revenue systems and the Cash Shops. The term "p2w" is just another way to say someone is sick of MMOs being designed for Whales. SWTOR very much caters to Whales.
For those getting ready to play new KotFE... enjo yourselves. Hope it's worth the wait.
"Whales" a derogatory term created by the entitlement generation and those who hold their same entitlements mentality.
Again I pay monthly fee, never buy Cartel Coins with cash and have more credits then I know what to do with them. I am no "whale" and Swtor very much caters to me.
The Crystals and the Ship Parts on the cartel market (p2w). The fact that a free player needs to pay for extra bars, skills etc. MMO subscription nowdays is just soo bad. Pay2convenience and pay more to have fun. Want a haircut pay. Real $ = Packs = Credits in game
Just another title that can't do enough to make me feel its worth my time, let alone any financial investment. I couldn't be bothered before, and it's looking like the trend is going to continue. What is happening with this genre? Why is there only one game worth playing?
Worth your time to post though hmm? Well I for one am glad the mmorpg genre isn't built for only you.
I agree with EvE, the way mmorpgs are now is for kids and those who want to invest alot in it. Its just not normal anymore. p2w p2convenience maybe the only mmo's that are with a kinda normal pay model is WoW and ffxiv.
Its soo sad atm that it force me to not play. But I enjoy games like witcher 3 now. Maybe in a few years they will change it for the better. Until then this veteran mmorpg will play SP games -_-
There is nothing in SWTOR that is p2w. Im not sure what your point is, I play WoW the exact same way I play SWTOR I pay a monthly fee. The only difference is in SWTOR i receive a monthly allowance that I can use to buy packs. Whats in those packs? Cosmetic items for my stronghold and toons...
Now there is nothing wrong with growing out of a hobby, I also enjoy the Witcher. Like I said before I think its great that the MMORGP genre have left players like you and eye behind.
Ok, so the term "p2w" doesn't compute... how about this statement "Most MMOs are now made for Whales", and they mostly are. A statement of fact proved by the F2P revenue systems and the Cash Shops. The term "p2w" is just another way to say someone is sick of MMOs being designed for Whales. SWTOR very much caters to Whales.
For those getting ready to play new KotFE... enjo yourselves. Hope it's worth the wait.
"Whales" a derogatory term created by the entitlement generation and those who hold their same entitlements mentality.
Again I pay monthly fee, never buy Cartel Coins with cash and have more credits then I know what to do with them. I am no "whale" and Swtor very much caters to me.
The Crystals and the Ship Parts on the cartel market (p2w). The fact that a free player needs to pay for extra bars, skills etc. MMO subscription nowdays is just soo bad. Pay2convenience and pay more to have fun. Want a haircut pay. Real $ = Packs = Credits in game
Haha ship parts? Crystal all of those can buy on the GTN WITH CREDITS. Give it a rest
The Crystals and the Ship Parts on the cartel market (p2w). The fact that a free player needs to pay for extra bars, skills etc. MMO subscription nowdays is just soo bad. Pay2convenience and pay more to have fun. Want a haircut pay. Real $ = Packs = Credits in game
well yes they need to make SOME money
I subbed a few months, got the unlocks, so far I get through the game rather economical, when there is new content I want I get some gametime
what´s so hard, they need to earn money otherwise they can layoff everyone and shut down the servers
you can play the whole thing for free, limitations come with it - fine
It's hilarious all these desperate Swtor hater spamming every topic with sad pathetic hater topics. It's great seeing Swtor doing so well and driving these guys crazy.
Just another title that can't do enough to make me feel its worth my time, let alone any financial investment. I couldn't be bothered before, and it's looking like the trend is going to continue. What is happening with this genre? Why is there only one game worth playing?
Worth your time to post though hmm? Well I for one am glad the mmorpg genre isn't built for only you.
I agree with EvE, the way mmorpgs are now is for kids and those who want to invest alot in it. Its just not normal anymore. p2w p2convenience maybe the only mmo's that are with a kinda normal pay model is WoW and ffxiv.
Its soo sad atm that it force me to not play. But I enjoy games like witcher 3 now. Maybe in a few years they will change it for the better. Until then this veteran mmorpg will play SP games -_-
There is nothing in SWTOR that is p2w. Im not sure what your point is, I play WoW the exact same way I play SWTOR I pay a monthly fee. The only difference is in SWTOR i receive a monthly allowance that I can use to buy packs. Whats in those packs? Cosmetic items for my stronghold and toons...
Now there is nothing wrong with growing out of a hobby, I also enjoy the Witcher. Like I said before I think its great that the MMORGP genre have left players like you and eye behind.
Ok, so the term "p2w" doesn't compute... how about this statement "Most MMOs are now made for Whales", and they mostly are. A statement of fact proved by the F2P revenue systems and the Cash Shops. The term "p2w" is just another way to say someone is sick of MMOs being designed for Whales. SWTOR very much caters to Whales.
For those getting ready to play new KotFE... enjo yourselves. Hope it's worth the wait.
"Whales" a derogatory term created by the entitlement generation and those who hold their same entitlements mentality.
Again I pay monthly fee, never buy Cartel Coins with cash and have more credits then I know what to do with them. I am no "whale" and Swtor very much caters to me.
Thanks for the insult. I always enjoy such interesting debate.
MMOs in my opinion should be "one price for all" through Subscriptions. Each Player pays the exact same price. No Cash Shop. No Free2Play. If you don't pay you can't log in. No Player can spend more than anyone else... thus absolutely no possibility of Pay2Win ever. Like the old days years ago when MMOs were new.
If that is being "entitled"... then your definition of "entitled" and mine are completely different... but that is the name of the game in the 21st Century isn't it? When you want to change opinions first change the definitions of the words that will be important to the discussion...
SWTOR may cater to you, but you are not it's intended target and neither am I. I am glad you enjoy it none the less.
Wait so it's ok for you to throw around derogatory terms about those who play a video game you don't...but when you get labeled somehow it's an issue?
You've made it clear you don't enjoy Swtor, you don't play Swtor why waste your time complaining about it?
Point one. Whale is not a derogatory term, not to me. How else do I refer to those Players that are willing to spend more money on a MMO than just a Sub, sometimes many times more? Should I call them Benefactors? Supporters? Or should I label them the way Archey Bunker would? No, that would not help, probably get me in trouble here. Better to keep it simple and refer to them as Whales because that term is understood, recognized, and refers specifically to MMO Players that spend many times more on a MMO than the average Players does. Using that term was not an intended insult on my part.
Using the phrase "doesn't compute" wasn't meant to be insulting either, just an old figure of speech.
Point two... I do enjoy SWTOR, I don't agree with how it's marketed since F2P conversion and I don't agree with the direction that KotFE is taking the game. My disagreement with some features of SWTOR doesn't remove completely my enjoyment of the game. So yes I still care. I don't see my participation in a thread about SWTOR as a waste of my time.
Just another title that can't do enough to make me feel its worth my time, let alone any financial investment. I couldn't be bothered before, and it's looking like the trend is going to continue. What is happening with this genre? Why is there only one game worth playing?
Worth your time to post though hmm? Well I for one am glad the mmorpg genre isn't built for only you.
I agree with EvE, the way mmorpgs are now is for kids and those who want to invest alot in it. Its just not normal anymore. p2w p2convenience maybe the only mmo's that are with a kinda normal pay model is WoW and ffxiv.
Its soo sad atm that it force me to not play. But I enjoy games like witcher 3 now. Maybe in a few years they will change it for the better. Until then this veteran mmorpg will play SP games -_-
There is nothing in SWTOR that is p2w. Im not sure what your point is, I play WoW the exact same way I play SWTOR I pay a monthly fee. The only difference is in SWTOR i receive a monthly allowance that I can use to buy packs. Whats in those packs? Cosmetic items for my stronghold and toons...
Now there is nothing wrong with growing out of a hobby, I also enjoy the Witcher. Like I said before I think its great that the MMORGP genre have left players like you and eye behind.
Ok, so the term "p2w" doesn't compute... how about this statement "Most MMOs are now made for Whales", and they mostly are. A statement of fact proved by the F2P revenue systems and the Cash Shops. The term "p2w" is just another way to say someone is sick of MMOs being designed for Whales. SWTOR very much caters to Whales.
For those getting ready to play new KotFE... enjo yourselves. Hope it's worth the wait.
"Whales" a derogatory term created by the entitlement generation and those who hold their same entitlements mentality.
Again I pay monthly fee, never buy Cartel Coins with cash and have more credits then I know what to do with them. I am no "whale" and Swtor very much caters to me.
The Crystals and the Ship Parts on the cartel market (p2w). The fact that a free player needs to pay for extra bars, skills etc. MMO subscription nowdays is just soo bad. Pay2convenience and pay more to have fun. Want a haircut pay. Real $ = Packs = Credits in game
Haha ship parts? Crystal all of those can buy on the GTN WITH CREDITS. Give it a rest
Just saying, still an awesome game. Im just tired with the current MMORPG payment model.
Only thing I really dont like about swtor is the engine.
ps really hope something change or big comes withint a few years.
"Whales" a derogatory term created by the entitlement generation and those who hold their same entitlements mentality.
Again I pay monthly fee, never buy Cartel Coins with cash and have more credits then I know what to do with them. I am no "whale" and Swtor very much caters to me.
It's not, it's a term tying back to gambling and high-rollers. It was loosely defined as someone who spent and was more likely to provide profit to the casino than the majority of their customers; because as a fisherman it's worth putting in the effort to catch one or two whales, instead of ten-thousand guppies. The metaphor and analogy carried over to social an online video games after decades of use in casino industry & culture(if not even farther back).
"5th Planet chief executive Robert Winkler revealed at the Game
Developers Conference Online in 2012 that with its game Clash of the
Dragons, 40 percent of revenue came from 2 percent of players who spent
$1,000 or more. Ninety percent came from those who spent $100 or more,
and the top whale had spent $6,700.
Other companies, like social casino developer Blitzoo,
defines various categories of whales based on a combination of factors:
total money spent, playtime, experience points earned in-game, and so
on. Play sessions tend to be three or four times longer than what an
average player’s would be."
The 4.0 change list is huuuuge, I hope nothing got messed up.
My top 3
Level scaling on all planets
Companions no longer need gear
Only one main stat, Mastery
Yup, level sync is great.
Crafting changes, also, crafting needed some rework for a long time.
They are actually going back to their initial ideas for the game before they started "you must be liek WoW or else" mantra they started in 2010/2011.
It scales you to a level you can faceroll given content with closed eyes. I had high hopes for this system, but class quest experience boost which came with it, made it pointless to level new classes. Watching cutscenes on YT will be faster and less boring. I think, conisdering theese changes, they are closer to wow then ever.
You can watch anything on youtube/twitch.
So whats the point of playing ANYTHING?
What is pointless to level new classes?
P.S.
And when WoW has fzlly interactive cutscenes with choices lmk.
In this changes they actuallly diverge from WoW quite a bit. Its much more like GW2 now than WoW.
The 4.0 change list is huuuuge, I hope nothing got messed up.
My top 3
Level scaling on all planets
Companions no longer need gear
Only one main stat, Mastery
Yup, level sync is great.
Crafting changes, also, crafting needed some rework for a long time.
They are actually going back to their initial ideas for the game before they started "you must be liek WoW or else" mantra they started in 2010/2011.
It scales you to a level you can faceroll given content with closed eyes. I had high hopes for this system, but class quest experience boost which came with it, made it pointless to level new classes. Watching cutscenes on YT will be faster and less boring. I think, conisdering theese changes, they are closer to wow then ever.
You can watch anything on youtube/twitch.
So whats the point of playing ANYTHING?
What is pointless to level new classes?
Only the class quests have boosted experience gains. Also since they are syncing levels you won't be level 50 doing a lvl 20 quest. It isn't bad idea to try something wow does every now and then. Oh what the hell my new car comes with a radio why did they copy everyone else?
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glad I never spent time to gear up more than one per character to a decent level.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Again I pay monthly fee, never buy Cartel Coins with cash and have more credits then I know what to do with them. I am no "whale" and Swtor very much caters to me.
MMOs in my opinion should be "one price for all" through Subscriptions. Each Player pays the exact same price. No Cash Shop. No Free2Play. If you don't pay you can't log in. No Player can spend more than anyone else... thus absolutely no possibility of Pay2Win ever. Like the old days years ago when MMOs were new.
If that is being "entitled"... then your definition of "entitled" and mine are completely different... but that is the name of the game in the 21st Century isn't it? When you want to change opinions first change the definitions of the words that will be important to the discussion...
SWTOR may cater to you, but you are not it's intended target and neither am I. I am glad you enjoy it none the less.
You've made it clear you don't enjoy Swtor, you don't play Swtor why waste your time complaining about it?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I subbed a few months, got the unlocks, so far I get through the game rather economical, when there is new content I want I get some gametime
what´s so hard, they need to earn money otherwise they can layoff everyone and shut down the servers
you can play the whole thing for free, limitations come with it - fine
Using the phrase "doesn't compute" wasn't meant to be insulting either, just an old figure of speech.
Point two... I do enjoy SWTOR, I don't agree with how it's marketed since F2P conversion and I don't agree with the direction that KotFE is taking the game. My disagreement with some features of SWTOR doesn't remove completely my enjoyment of the game. So yes I still care. I don't see my participation in a thread about SWTOR as a waste of my time.
Only thing I really dont like about swtor is the engine.
ps really hope something change or big comes withint a few years.
Many complaints in the official forum. Hope they get it fixed soon
http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/14/whales-and-why-social-gamers-are-just-gamers/
"5th Planet chief executive Robert Winkler revealed at the Game Developers Conference Online in 2012 that with its game Clash of the Dragons, 40 percent of revenue came from 2 percent of players who spent $1,000 or more. Ninety percent came from those who spent $100 or more, and the top whale had spent $6,700.
Other companies, like social casino developer Blitzoo, defines various categories of whales based on a combination of factors: total money spent, playtime, experience points earned in-game, and so on. Play sessions tend to be three or four times longer than what an average player’s would be."
So whats the point of playing ANYTHING?
What is pointless to level new classes?
P.S.
And when WoW has fzlly interactive cutscenes with choices lmk.
In this changes they actuallly diverge from WoW quite a bit. Its much more like GW2 now than WoW.
Only the class quests have boosted experience gains. Also since they are syncing levels you won't be level 50 doing a lvl 20 quest. It isn't bad idea to try something wow does every now and then. Oh what the hell my new car comes with a radio why did they copy everyone else?