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SBFord · November 2015

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Meeting someone in person that you've only ever talked to online is a surreal experience. When we talk to people on the internet, they tend to exist in this space where we ascribe them certain features and characteristics that aren't really based on anything. We hear a voice, maybe see a few photos, and our brains fill in a billion blanks so that the voice we hear isn't just some detached sound filtered through thousands of miles of cables. We compensate for what we don't know about them.

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F0urEyes · November 2015

CCP can burn, IMO. Whos with me (excluding EVE players)?

Phry · November 2015

It isn't an uncommon reaction, at least in relation to none goons reacting to goons, i don't think anyone really trusts them. Though given the history of Goonswarm, is that really all that surprising?

Phry · November 2015

F0urEyes said:

CCP can burn, IMO. Whos with me (excluding EVE players)?

If you had read the article in question, you would realise how silly that comment is.

StevenMessner · November 2015

Phry said:

It isn't an uncommon reaction, at least in relation to none goons reacting to goons, i don't think anyone really trusts them. Though given the history of Goonswarm, is that really all that surprising?

I think you're right, they have created a reputation. I think I was just more stunned at how tangible that reputation is outside of the game. I've played a lot of MMORPGs over my time, and none of them have ever carried over into real life quite the same way, which I think is really special.

Phry · November 2015

StevenMessner said:

Phry said:

It isn't an uncommon reaction, at least in relation to none goons reacting to goons, i don't think anyone really trusts them. Though given the history of Goonswarm, is that really all that surprising?

I think you're right, they have created a reputation. I think I was just more stunned at how tangible that reputation is outside of the game. I've played a lot of MMORPGs over my time, and none of them have ever carried over into real life quite the same way, which I think is really special.

I'd like to say its just that Eve is different in that way, but truth is, i think its more to do with how Goonswarm market themselves, plus, they are a 'multi game' for want of a better word, 'organisation' their predatory nature isn't restricted to just Eve Online, though i think thats where they have gained the bulk of their 'notorious' if not borderline nefarious reputation, some of their out of game antics have certainly hit the news, which sadly often reflects badly on Eve online, even though they do not represent the majority of players, or CCP for that matter.
To make an amusing, if relevant analogy, getting into conversation with a fellow Eve player, and finding out suddenly that they are a member of Goonswarm, is much the same as having an online affair with an attractive blonde woman, and upon meeting them, discovering that they are not only not blonde, but not female either.

klash2def · November 2015

I know what you mean about the game feeling more "real" after you meet the person behind the game. Ive felt this before when meeting people at Blizzcon or the SWTOR cantina experience. Meeting the people behind "famous" characters or groups does seem to give a game another layer of realism and its one of the things that make MMOs MMO..you are playing with thousands of like minded people at any time. EVE Online (Not my type of game) from my small perspective of it would seem far more conducive to creating the layer of realism just based on the type of game it is. You create a avatar and jump out there to affect the EVE galaxy in your own way. That turns into the relationships you speak of and meeting those in game relationships in real life would for sure create that sense of depth that you must feel after meeting somebody attached to billions of ISK of hardships. Especially if some of those isk belong to you.. Personally I stopped playing EVE (Seven times) after the first few days because I'm too impatient to wait for my skills to "pop" instead of having them after earning them in combat or some other way through leveling. The combat also isn't my style.. (works in other games) .. you click a button and kind of wait to see if you hit or not.. not a bad thing but in a space sim with ships and GUNS i expect to SHOOT SPACE GUNS and actually FLY my ship.. not wait to see if the spreadsheet numbers come out right for me to hit ship x. When I first played EVE I guess I expected something like what Elite Dangerous or Star Citizen is today. Maybe my biggest gripe with EVE is the actual gameplay? I would get into it more if it were different. The setting and universe are amazing.. the gameplay not so much. This is beyond the player created situations and etc..for me before all THAT, the gameplay needs to be more involved, and i'm talking in video games that have spaceships and guns. That's what this is at the root but it's like they combined it into a RTS game but with mmo elements IDK.. RTS space games have never really been my thing.

klash2def · November 2015

This does not mean EVE is a bad game and for sure it helped the MMO genre as far as being unique but the game just isn't for MOST people. The way it was designed with the level of freedom creates the need for structure/relationships. It's not a flaw, I'm just pointing it out. Right now I'm playing Destiny Taken King on Xbox1. If I were to ever meet any of the people I play with in real time, male, female, I would just be like "oh that was a cool experience" but it would be just that. Because I know that the person I'm meeting isn't the running around shooting shit in the face with a rocket launcher. It's not real. I don't need to form a relationship with that person to "win".. It's still a game for us. EVE seems to be a bit more because people ARE in fact playing as themselves in this particular space..Maybe it's tied to the fact that like you said in article you need real relationships to thrive in the game. For me personally that's too deep. I just wanted to play a cool space game where I can be a cool space version of me and fly in a cool spaceship to earn cool space currency.

Beermangler · November 2015

I keep coming back yet the community drives me away after just 2-3 months in. I want to like it but I'm not allowed to.

JaggaSpikes · November 2015

Beermangler said:

I keep coming back yet the community drives me away after just 2-3 months in. I want to like it but I'm not allowed to.

playing your way is something you have to earn in EVE.

StevenMessner · November 2015

JaggaSpikes said:

Beermangler said:

I keep coming back yet the community drives me away after just 2-3 months in. I want to like it but I'm not allowed to.

playing your way is something you have to earn in EVE.

And finding the right community for you. Check out some of the bigger "newbie" friendly corps like KarmaFleet (that's who I'm with and I enjoy them!) and find people who play the game the way you want to play. Not everyone is going to be a jerk, and not everyone wants you to log in at 3AM to defend an ihub!

CIB3 · November 2015

The goons are like this: rockpapershotgun.com/2012/03/29/the-mittanis-crime-punishment-in-eve-online/ I understand why no one want to be friend with goons.

Panserbjorne39 · November 2015

CIB3 said:

The goons are like this: rockpapershotgun.com/2012/03/29/the-mittanis-crime-punishment-in-eve-online/ I understand why no one want to be friend with goons.

Its a pretty interesting article on the Mittani. Considering Steve's article above is basically saying that you are really who you play in EVE. "But even though EVE Online might ask you to create an avatar, I'm fully convinced that who you are in the game is who you are in real life." So the leader of the goons really is a bad person so what does that make those that are associated with him? Don't you love when someone says "I am not a blank, honest". Like whenever someone says "Trust me". The red flag goes up. There are some old sayings that I like and that I think ring true "Birds of a feather flock together" and "Guilt by association". When I was growing up those sayings were used often and seemed logical. This is the second article I've read concerning Goons where there's members saying "We're not all bad don't judge us because we're goons. The other one was actually an interview done with a known group of mega trolls in star trek online that are goon affiliated called Star Fleet Dental. My gut instinct tells me not to trust a word out of a Goons mouth and that they are in fact the trolls and griefers of MMO'dom.

Panserbjorne39 · November 2015

I don't know why these posts don't come out with paragraphs although they are entered. Anyway, I want to mention that EVE for me will never be what it is for you guys. Why? I have a life and don't have the time or patience for the drama and other peoples personalities and bull shit. That's not to say one way is better than another. I just like EVE because Sci-fi, pew pew spaceships.

Kyleran · November 2015

LOL, quite honestly, had I been the guy who realized I had shaken hands with someone from Goonswarm, I'd have wiped it off on my pant leg.

Damn right I "judge" you on who you fly with, and the behavior of your organization.

See here's the issue. Who I am in the game is who I am in real life. I project my personality into the game. I believe everyone else does the same. Sure they may not be sociopaths in RL since the consequences and penalties hold them back, but deep down, they are who they are.

I don't buy the "roleplaying excuse", or "its just a game", or "don't be so upset over pixels."

I don't play games, I live in worlds, and I consider myself a member of the universe I inhabit and if you piss all over it, I'm going to hold you accountable.

I accept someone's right to be who they are in a game, that's what makes EVE fun, but if I met some of them in real life, we wouldn't be friends.

StevenMessner · November 2015

Kyleran said:

LOL, quite honestly, had I been the guy who realized I had shaken hands with someone from Goonswarm, I'd have wiped it off on my pant leg.

Damn right I "judge" you on who you fly with, and the behavior of your organization.

See here's the issue. Who I am in the game is who I am in real life. I project my personality into the game. I believe everyone else does the same. Sure they may not be sociopaths in RL since the consequences and penalties hold them back, but deep down, they are who they are.

I don't buy the "roleplaying excuse", or "its just a game", or "don't be so upset over pixels."

I don't play games, I live in worlds, and I consider myself a member of the universe I inhabit and if you piss all over it, I'm going to hold you accountable.

I accept someone's right to be who they are in a game, that's what makes EVE fun, but if I met some of them in real life, we wouldn't be friends.

I mean, that's totally your right to do so. I just think it'd be a shame to judge the many by the actions of the few!

Solar_Prophet · November 2015

StevenMessner said:

Kyleran said:

LOL, quite honestly, had I been the guy who realized I had shaken hands with someone from Goonswarm, I'd have wiped it off on my pant leg.

Damn right I "judge" you on who you fly with, and the behavior of your organization.

See here's the issue. Who I am in the game is who I am in real life. I project my personality into the game. I believe everyone else does the same. Sure they may not be sociopaths in RL since the consequences and penalties hold them back, but deep down, they are who they are.

I don't buy the "roleplaying excuse", or "its just a game", or "don't be so upset over pixels."

I don't play games, I live in worlds, and I consider myself a member of the universe I inhabit and if you piss all over it, I'm going to hold you accountable.

I accept someone's right to be who they are in a game, that's what makes EVE fun, but if I met some of them in real life, we wouldn't be friends.

I mean, that's totally your right to do so. I just think it'd be a shame to judge the many by the actions of the few!

A man wished to purchase a new donkey, and decided to give the animal a test before buying him. He took the donkey home and put him in the field with his other donkeys. The new donkey strayed from the others to join the one that was the laziest and the biggest eater of them all. Seeing this, the man led him back to his owner. When the owner asked how he could have tested the donkey in such a short time, the man answered, "I didn't even need to see how he worked. I knew he would be just like the one he chose to be his friend."

Like it or not, you are the company you keep. Don't want to be thought of as a jackass? Don't associate with people who act that way. You choose to associate with people who have a well-deserved reputation as complete bastards, and as such you deserve all the animosity you get for it. You certainly don't have the right to complain about it.

"Walk with the wise and become wise, for a companion of fools suffers harm" -Proverbs 13:20

Beermangler · November 2015

StevenMessner said:

JaggaSpikes said:

Beermangler said:

I keep coming back yet the community drives me away after just 2-3 months in. I want to like it but I'm not allowed to.

playing your way is something you have to earn in EVE.

And finding the right community for you. Check out some of the bigger "newbie" friendly corps like KarmaFleet (that's who I'm with and I enjoy them!) and find people who play the game the way you want to play. Not everyone is going to be a jerk, and not everyone wants you to log in at 3AM to defend an ihub!

Thanks for the suggestion! I'll definitely contact them next time I get online.

Kyleran · November 2015

Beermangler said:

StevenMessner said:

JaggaSpikes said:

Beermangler said:

I keep coming back yet the community drives me away after just 2-3 months in. I want to like it but I'm not allowed to.

playing your way is something you have to earn in EVE.

And finding the right community for you. Check out some of the bigger "newbie" friendly corps like KarmaFleet (that's who I'm with and I enjoy them!) and find people who play the game the way you want to play. Not everyone is going to be a jerk, and not everyone wants you to log in at 3AM to defend an ihub!

Thanks for the suggestion! I'll definitely contact them next time I get online.

Consider carefully before you join them, as they are Goonswarm and it will severely limit your corp choices going forward with Goons in your history.

AnnaTS · November 2015

Kyleran said:

LOL, quite honestly, had I been the guy who realized I had shaken hands with someone from Goonswarm, I'd have wiped it off on my pant leg.

Damn right I "judge" you on who you fly with, and the behavior of your organization.

See here's the issue. Who I am in the game is who I am in real life. I project my personality into the game. I believe everyone else does the same. Sure they may not be sociopaths in RL since the consequences and penalties hold them back, but deep down, they are who they are.

I don't buy the "roleplaying excuse", or "its just a game", or "don't be so upset over pixels."

I don't play games, I live in worlds, and I consider myself a member of the universe I inhabit and if you piss all over it, I'm going to hold you accountable.

I accept someone's right to be who they are in a game, that's what makes EVE fun, but if I met some of them in real life, we wouldn't be friends.

Exactly and they can't use role playing as an excuse because they decide how they act in game and who they associate with so that character represents you and no one else, there isn't a rule in roleplaying saying you have to act like a jerk or you can't roleplay.

You hear people saying it's just a game and suck it up basically that tells me they are saying this is how i behave and deal with it just one of the many selfish acts people have in gaming, aslong as i am having fun then you just have to deal with it with me acting like a jerk.

When some people only have gaming as their main entertainment because some things restrict them from doing other things, the last thing they need is comng across people who act like jerks and to spoil their gaming experience, you don't have to act like a jerk to roleplay.

Plus if the game isn't entertaining enough for you and the only way to get entertainment from it is to flame, grief or troll then maybe you should move on and find another game.

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