PVP'ers go to Everquest II it is much better.

BurningPain · March 2006

PVP'ers of WOW I call upon you.

Everquest II PVP Ruleset
- Kill a player and loot half the coin on their body
- Kill a player and loot one item from theirinventory

PVP is 1928302198 times better than WOW.

WOW PVP is meaningless, just a bunch of fools farming each other for pacman honor points.

Shayde · March 2006

Same crap they're bringing to SWG.. and that is doing more to make people QUIT pvping than actually do it.

And it is run by $OE, so that means it will either be broken forever or nerfed to oblivion. Then changed in 6 months for a completely new system.

BurningPain · March 2006

You can loot players in SWG after you kill them in PVP?

croyal · March 2006

hello antifanboy! how are you today? still spreading nonsense on our forums and only telling half truths? nice to see its the same old same old with ya

battleaxe22 · March 2006

Nerd. go awai ::::05::

DuraheLL · March 2006

How can I possible disagree the PvP is more anti carebear, and by that much better in my opinion. WoW PvP is like dead by far, the instanced battlegrounds killed most outdoor PvP and the instanced PvP is a large joke.

jd269 · March 2006

Haha, as if people need more reasons to quit EQ2. Nothing wrong with setting up a server, just one, like this in wow though, get the ganks and whiners off the other PvP servers.

IcoGames · March 2006

Yeah, enjoy those instanced world zones. >_<

DuraheLL · March 2006

Originally posted by IcoGames

Yeah, enjoy those instanced world zones. >_<

If that is said to protect WoW it could not be any more wrong since WoW has incredibly amounts of instanced content too.

draketalon · March 2006

Originally posted by DuraheLL

Originally posted by IcoGames

Yeah, enjoy those instanced world zones. >_<

If that is said to protect WoW it could not be any more wrong since WoW has incredibly amounts of instanced content too.

Durahell you wear me out man - did you get kicked by WOW or something? your always knocking the most popular mmorpg in the world - like its some 2nd hand game - im tired of hearing your crap about this game, just leave the game and go play other games and let the rest of us make up are own minds. i promise you i can pick your precious EQ2 apart if i want too but i just dont care that much - why do you? same with antifanboy.

DuraheLL · March 2006

goddamn double posts xD

DuraheLL · March 2006

Originally posted by draketalon
Durahell you wear me out man - did you get kicked by WOW or something? your always knocking the most popular mmorpg in the world - like its some 2nd hand game - im tired of hearing your crap about this game, just leave the game and go play other games and let the rest of us make up are own minds. i promise you i can pick your precious EQ2 apart if i want too but i just dont care that much - why do you? same with antifanboy.

Said something wrong now have I? Respect my opinions dude. How can stating facts about games be "knocking" the games? If that's the case those facts are not very good to the game right?

I have not just said bad stuff about WoW if you think so you missed alot of my texts, I have given it credit, for the things it deserves credit for.

If you hate the facts about the games that should only mean you doesn't like the games.

Believe it or not you actually CAN state facts about MMORPG's.

draketalon · March 2006

Originally posted by DuraheLL

Originally posted by draketalon
Durahell you wear me out man - did you get kicked by WOW or something? your always knocking the most popular mmorpg in the world - like its some 2nd hand game - im tired of hearing your crap about this game, just leave the game and go play other games and let the rest of us make up are own minds. i promise you i can pick your precious EQ2 apart if i want too but i just dont care that much - why do you? same with antifanboy.

Said something wrong now have I? Respect my opinions dude. How can stating facts about games be "knocking" the games? If that's the case those facts are not very good to the game right?

I have not just said bad stuff about WoW if you think so you missed alot of my texts, I have given it credit, for the things it deserves credit for.

If you hate the facts about the games that should only mean you doesn't like the games.

Believe it or not you actually CAN state facts about MMORPG's.

i will always respect your opinions - however it appears to me more then giving your opinion - it feels like your angry or bitter at WOW and we are the recipients of it. personally the PVP sytle is ok with me - i liked it better when we raided towns and things for HK's before we had the BG instances but i see where blizzard is going with it and i can live with it - not many people could handle getting killed and loosing there loot, WOW is appealing to the masses on this one - To me a great idea would be when we queue up for BG we have an option to do it EQ2's way and we get more HK points for it because its more risk. that way people can choose - and the faint of heart wouldnt have to choose the hardcore. but the talented / aggresive PVP folks can.

DuraheLL · March 2006

Originally posted by draketalon
i will always respect your opinions - however it appears to me more then giving your opinion - it feels like your angry or bitter at WOW and we are the recipients of it. personally the PVP sytle is ok with me - i liked it better when we raided towns and things for HK's before we had the BG instances but i see where blizzard is going with it and i can live with it - not many people could handle getting killed and loosing there loot, WOW is appealing to the masses on this one - To me a great idea would be when we queue up for BG we have an option to do it EQ2's way and we get more HK points for it because its more risk. that way people can choose - and the faint of heart wouldnt have to choose the hardcore. but the talented / aggresive PVP folks can.

My thoughts of getting to play WoW as a deep RPG game has faded long since, the reason I dislike the battlegrounds are that it directs WoW into a JTP direction (Jump in To Play). The Battlegrounds reminds me so much about Guild Wars where you jump in and fight with your random groupmates.

That I can accept for GW which is a JTP game in all its pride... but implementing such into a MMORPG? That feels a bit weak to me, I'd felt strenghtening the outdoor PvP or giving it some more meaning would be a better choise. For instance they could make territories which you could claim yours, or make it more profitable to take over cities (since now it's impossible to hold em cus of all crazy hard mobs that spawns).

If you can loot items and gold from your killed players the PvP gets more risky and rewarding (or non rewarding if you are the one looted), by that I would say the whole PvP has more meaning other than just dying and respawning again ... of course it appeals more to the bigger audience to NOT have such system, but I could say the games uniqueness is strenghtened if the game dares more.

Sephiroth9 · March 2006

honestly, what's the point in going to forums for a game and telling people to quit playing the game that they like? It is most likely rare that anyone, after reading a post like the OP put up, leaves the game and plays the game that the OP suggested. I am not saying that WoW or EQ2 are great games or that one is better than the other; I am saying that you shouldn't waste time and energy telling people to not do what they like and to play something, that you in your own opinion, like instead.

DuraheLL · March 2006

Originally posted by Sephiroth9
honestly, what's the point in going to forums for a game and telling people to quit playing the game that they like? It is most likely rare that anyone, after reading a post like the OP put up, leaves the game and plays the game that the OP suggested. I am not saying that WoW or EQ2 are great games or that one is better than the other; I am saying that you shouldn't waste time and energy telling people to not do what they like and to play something, that you in your own opinion, like instead.

Dear Sepiroth9, going to the forums an enlightening the players of a MMORPG that there is grass on the other side of the road too is not meaningless.

There are many people playing their first MMORPG's not knowing there are other mmorpg's even. So if at least someone could bring them some information about some aspects of another mmorpg that they found more interesting and wants to share that information, they could do so.

Then of course it's always up to everyone to play whatever they like but if everyone around you tells you one thing absolutely owns everything, how can you then ever even take a look at something else upon of what you are currently playing?

IcoGames · March 2006

Originally posted by DuraheLL
My thoughts of getting to play WoW as a deep RPG game has faded long since, the reason I dislike the battlegrounds are that it directs WoW into a JTP direction (Jump in To Play).
If you can loot items and gold from your killed players the PvP gets more risky and rewarding (or non rewarding if you are the one looted), by that I would say the whole PvP has more meaning other than just dying and respawning again ... of course it appeals more to the bigger audience to NOT have such system, but I could say the games uniqueness is strenghtened if the game dares more.

Battlegrounds, like arenas in EQ2, are a choice. I prefer world pvp to battlegrounds and have yet had any issues finding decent fights.

With a minimal amount of planning, you can mitigate your losses in EQ2. Just because you can loot the body, doesn't necessarily put any more 'risk' in the game.

Tinybina · March 2006

Originally posted by DuraheLL

My thoughts of getting to play WoW as a deep RPG game has faded long since, the reason I dislike the battlegrounds are that it directs WoW into a JTP direction (Jump in To Play). The Battlegrounds reminds me so much about Guild Wars where you jump in and fight with your random groupmates.
That I can accept for GW which is a JTP game in all its pride... but implementing such into a MMORPG? That feels a bit weak to me, I'd felt strenghtening the outdoor PvP or giving it some more meaning would be a better choise. For instance they could make territories which you could claim yours, or make it more profitable to take over cities (since now it's impossible to hold em cus of all crazy hard mobs that spawns).

I agree with you here DuraheLL, this was the PVP I was expecting when I was waiting for WOW when it first came out.. They had the perfect set up for it, but they just swung and missed with this one..

In October of 05 Cay posted on the WOW forums saying that they were going look into brining outdoor PVP back with some type of capturable content and as you see 6 months later nothing....Anyone who played this game from beta and prior to BG's understands how truely fun PVP was back then and how stale and dull PVP in a bottle (instaces) is compared to that.. Guild Wars pvp is not where its at, DAOC PVP is. The day WOW opens up some RvR pvp servers is the day the rest of the MMORPG world goes backrupt.

Aseenus · March 2006

in runescape if u kill someone who is skulled u get everything they drop )

DuraheLL · March 2006

Imo WoW is heading out in the fog bank. Taking a look at the expansion enrages me, the content of which will be added is laughable.

More items? More farming ... More levels? More grinding ... That is the absolutely most lame content a game could put in. It will only stretch out the game that already exists instead of adding more cherries on top of the cake, now they just split the cake in half. How about implementing some of the stuff promised that never saw daylight?

CTF belongs in Unreal, not really in a MMORPG, there are soooo much more cool stuff that a RPG could have instead of that. Try changing the REAL world instead of adding instanced content.

angerr · March 2006

not that i don't agree eq2's pvp system is better than wow's, because it is..... but if you judge a pvp game simply for the fact that you can loot the players corpse i feel sorry for you...

croyal · March 2006

Originally posted by DuraheLL

Imo WoW is heading out in the fog bank. Taking a look at the expansion enrages me, the content of which will be added is laughable.
More items? More farming ... More levels? More grinding ... That is the absolutely most lame content a game could put in. It will only stretch out the game that already exists instead of adding more cherries on top of the cake, now they just split the cake in half. How about implementing some of the stuff promised that never saw daylight?
CTF belongs in Unreal, not really in a MMORPG, there are soooo much more cool stuff that a RPG could have instead of that. Try changing the REAL world instead of adding instanced content.

please name a level based GAME where you dont grind....its ok i know you cant.

NagelFire · March 2006

Im my opinion, The PvP here isnt that bad, it provides some entertainment for levels 60's with nothing to do. Raids too. But EQ2 has a REALLY good PvP. If you looking for a diffferent pvp, thats the game to head to. Guild Wars has a good pvp also

DuraheLL · March 2006

Originally posted by croyal

please name a level based GAME where you dont grind....its ok i know you cant.

Eehh... EVE, no brainless grinding (No levels though but you still level your skills)

But seriously, it's not just about the "grind", it's what you gain inbetween the grind or how much time you have to put on it to be able to unlock certain aspects of the game.

If you have to make it to max level to be able to enjoy the game on most parts I would call it a hard grind, if level would not matter that much for unlocking content the player could chose not to be a hardcore grinder.

I don't think you really got my point in that post, instead of advancing WoW which we all feel they should have both the power and money to do nowadays they just stretch it out in an awful way.

angerr · March 2006

Originally posted by DuraheLL
Originally posted by croyal
please name a level based GAME where you dont grind....its ok i know you cant.Eehh... EVE, no brainless grinding (No levels though but you still level your skills)
But seriously, it's not just about the "grind", it's what you gain inbetween the grind or how much time you have to put on it to be able to unlock certain aspects of the game.
If you have to make it to max level to be able to enjoy the game on most parts I would call it a hard grind, if level would not matter that much for unlocking content the player could chose not to be a hardcore grinder.
I don't think you really got my point in that post, instead of advancing WoW which we all feel they should have both the power and money to do nowadays they just stretch it out in an awful way.

i understood your point, and agree...they need to make it it so you can advance your character in some other way once you hit lvl 60. just implementing more dungeons and raising the lvl cap is not going to last long.

they need to come up with some way to advance your character after you hit maximum lvl other than just item upgrades. and they need more incentive for small groups and soloing at maximum lvl as well.

it just makes no sense to me that wow is a total solo and small group friendly game all the way to max lvl and just stops and becomes a bg grind/ raid game.

if you are going to attract solo/casual gamers with your content from lvl 1-59 or lvl 1-69....you need to implement content for them at maximum lvl as well....just my honest opinion. ::::40::

croyal · March 2006

Originally posted by angerr

i understood your point, and agree...they need to make it it so you can advance your character in some other way once you hit lvl 60. just implementing more dungeons and raising the lvl cap is not going to last long.

they need to come up with some way to advance your character after you hit maximum lvl other than just item upgrades. and they need more incentive for small groups and soloing at maximum lvl as well.

it just makes no sense to me that wow is a total solo and small group friendly game all the way to max lvl and just stops and becomes a bg grind/ raid game.

if you are going to attract solo/casual gamers with your content from lvl 1-59 or lvl 1-69....you need to implement content for them at maximum lvl as well....just my honest opinion. ::::40::

you do further your character after 60...through gear and new ranks in spells ( AQ)....i know that isnt friendly to the casuals but what other way could you make proggression? i cant think of a way, and if you can, i really really want to know. i mean if we cant think of a way to make proggression after 60 other then gear and spells, how can you expect a game developer to? its not like they are any smarter then us.

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