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EVE Online | Chronicles of a New Eden - Bringing Down the House | MMORPG

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
edited December 2015 in News & Features Discussion

imageEVE Online | Chronicles of a New Eden - Bringing Down the House | MMORPG

Grath Telkin has a bit of a reputation. In the null-sec space of EVE Online, he is easily one of the most recognizable names, known for yelling at people and leading some of the most cutthroat players in the game. Pandemic Legion is a wrecking ball swinging from one fragile null-sec empire to the next, and their reputation for crushing their foes is, at this point, pretty well solidified.

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  • Panserbjorne39Panserbjorne39 Member UncommonPosts: 142
    Classic example of EVE player douchebaggery and cowardice. EVE:O : A griefer's paradise where players can be the villian and get rewarded for it...There's nothing a EVE player enjoys more than an easy kill.
  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    Panserbjorne39 said:
    Classic example of EVE player douchebaggery and cowardice. EVE:O : A griefer's paradise where players can be the villian and get rewarded for it...There's nothing a EVE player enjoys more than an easy kill.


    EH? I guess you don't understand what EVE is. They have entire regions that are under protection from griefing and if you don't like the warfare then that is where you should stay. Everything else is controlled by corporations and aliances and they are constantly at war with each other. That is what EVE is.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • maxcancermaxcancer Member UncommonPosts: 20
    in 17 years of MMORPGs , I have never seen so many "mentally ill " as in this title......
  • AnirethAnireth Member UncommonPosts: 940
    The more i read about EVE, the more it looks like a big social experiment. No preset participants, open ended and no rules, lets see what happens. The MMO thing is just a facade so that people accept it instead of crying out against inhuman experiments.

    Well, not really serious, but it *would* make a good study i'd say.

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    And then I'll rise with the tide with a lust for life, I'll
    Amass an army, and we'll harness a horde
    And then we'll limp across the land until we stand at the shore

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,063
    In other news I helped some long time friends join my null sec corp and brought them a set of bookmarks thru WH space to shorten the 38 jump trip to 6.

    I also provided mining boosts in one of our alliance systems and we had a good crowd of ratters and miners on TS with a lot of laughs.

    Home defense team caught 3 or 4 roamers and the roam group killed about 4.

    Not nearly as exciting as the story in the OP, but more in line with the average EVE player.

    Not everyone is a sociopath.

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  • BaitnessBaitness Member UncommonPosts: 675
    filmoret said:
    Panserbjorne39 said:
    Classic example of EVE player douchebaggery and cowardice. EVE:O : A griefer's paradise where players can be the villian and get rewarded for it...There's nothing a EVE player enjoys more than an easy kill.


    EH? I guess you don't understand what EVE is. They have entire regions that are under protection from griefing and if you don't like the warfare then that is where you should stay. Everything else is controlled by corporations and aliances and they are constantly at war with each other. That is what EVE is.
    That is very very misleading.  There is nowhere in space that is safe, in fact I believe the majority of players would agree that nullsec space is far safer than hisec, as long as you are in an alliance.  Regardless of that, war decs make it so that any small corp is not even remotely safe in hisec, and it is a common hobby for corps to war dec small corps that cannot fight back just for easy prey.

    EVE is 100% about getting the easiest kill possible.  It seems to me that what people find enjoyable about that is all of the different ways you can try to make it easier for yourself - teaming up with numbers, finding the best gate to camp, spewing smart bombs at a gate, spying on the people you want to kill, setting up alluring trading opportunities to lure a transport out of station, invading some carebear's wormhole, or even just ganking transports.

    As much as I enjoyed my time with the game, it is absolutely a griefer's paradise.  New players are just expected to eat their losses from scams and gankers, and eventually learn to avoid them.
  • SomeguynamedSomeguynamed Member UncommonPosts: 69
    This article was written by a carebear, for carebears.

    The whole point of Eve Online is to accumulate wealth, and make ships explode (whether you make other ships explode, or other people make you explode). And then you have a laugh about it, and do it over again tomorrow.

    Some people do this with Cruisers, some with Battlecruisers/Battleships, and some people do it with Titans (if they lose a Titan, they buy another one and start PvP'ing again). People fly what they can afford to lose. Otherwise they rage at their peril because of their own bad judgement - you don't drive a Ferrari when you only have $250,000 in the bank.

    I can understand why Grath was getting a kick out of destroying HTA. First of all HTA was a sh it alliance, they were on the same level as a renter alliance. They are the kind of people that you see on killmails with ridiculous sh itfits.

    And they also take it too seriously. When they got destroyed, instead of acknowledging their noobishness, they imploded.

    The whole point of Eve Online: Make Isk, Buy Ship, Destroy other ships, Lose Ship, have fun, repeat.
  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    Eve is much more complex then simply create a guild and have fun.  Its not like other mmo's where this is possible.  Only the smart survive in this game and it has nothing to do with griefers.  Its more like the real world where everyone is against your business and its your job as the owner to make it work or lose it.  Yes there are some really crappy scams that for some reason are allowed but if you want to create a corporation then you had better be smart about it or you will get beatdown and robbed until you quit.  The smart and strong make tons of money.  This article is proof you have a huge corporation with over 200 man fleet just too stupid to survive so they get eaten alive.  Oh that poor 200 man group got killed by 40 people what a bunch of ganking griefers.  LOL get real people.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • PalaPala Member UncommonPosts: 360
    edited December 2015
    Its a GAME, you lose your ship and you get a new one. You get better. You can be 99% safe if you want.

    People amaze me today.

    I was playing Hearthstone today and this griefer beat me, boohooo... fkin griefer paradise.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,063
    Pala said:
    Its a GAME, you lose your ship and you get a new one. You get better. You can be 99% safe if you want.

    People amaze me today.

    I was playing Hearthstone today and this griefer beat me, boohooo... fkin griefer paradise.
    Easy to say when you are the predator and not the prey.


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  • SomeguynamedSomeguynamed Member UncommonPosts: 69
    Also, this article fails to mention that - the only reason why Pandemic Legion is a "wrecking ball" is because they don't hold Sov or try to rent out / protect space.

    They only do one thing - to attack other alliances. That's what all their efforts are focused on. They don't focus their efforts on holding Sov, renting and protecting space themselves.

    This article also mistakenly portrays Pandemic Legion as some sort of immortal epic alliance - they are a force multiplier on the battlefield to the people who hire them.

    A few years ago, Pandemic Legion use to control space - they were in Fountain. When Band of Brothers (KenZoku.) got back together, they evicted Pandemic Legion from their space within a matter of a week. In one fight, Pandemic Legion lost around 5 - 6 Titans to KenZoku.

    So basically, the time when Pandemic Legion try to control sov space, they got annihilated.
  • PalaPala Member UncommonPosts: 360
    Really, I ve been predator and pray. Its a game not real life. Who cares either you enjoy the concept or you dont but its no big deal at all.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,063
    Pala said:
    Really, I ve been predator and pray. Its a game not real life. Who cares either you enjoy the concept or you dont but its no big deal at all.
    I've been playing since 2007, pretty sure I enjoy it, but am able to do so without being an asshat to others.

    "True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde 

    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm

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    Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™

    "This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon






  • Agent_JosephAgent_Joseph Member UncommonPosts: 1,361
    best  & unique mmorpg on market ,for sure in next decade & more  nothing on horizon what can replace awesome EVE !
    For new players EVE is easy after  drop experience what earned playing others mmo's ,EVE is different !
  • PalaPala Member UncommonPosts: 360
    @Kyleran and so can I but being an asshat is part of the charm in both directions, you eliminate that type of gameplay and you lose alot from the game. I am playing Elite atm, been interdicted 5-6 times in my first 2 days, lost a couple of ships. In fact, once it was an NPC and so what? WHat is the big deal, makes the game more exciting and fun.
  • AthisarAthisar Member UncommonPosts: 666
    I've thought about playing the game for probably 2 years now, but I'm constantly put off by the idea that it's just too late as people who've been playing it for ever are effectively playing a different game entirely, and you'll never be able to be part of that.
  • SomeguynamedSomeguynamed Member UncommonPosts: 69
    Athisar said:
    I've thought about playing the game for probably 2 years now, but I'm constantly put off by the idea that it's just too late as people who've been playing it for ever are effectively playing a different game entirely, and you'll never be able to be part of that.


    You can, it's definitely not too late to start. The game is a sandbox, and if you play smart, you can catch up and be greater than the people who started playing years before you.

    If you need tips on what to do let me know your character name, I'll give you some ISK to start out and also give you a few pointers on how to make ISK, and be able to PvP in battleships and lose them like it's no big deal.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,063
    Pala said:
    @Kyleran and so can I but being an asshat is part of the charm in both directions, you eliminate that type of gameplay and you lose alot from the game. I am playing Elite atm, been interdicted 5-6 times in my first 2 days, lost a couple of ships. In fact, once it was an NPC and so what? WHat is the big deal, makes the game more exciting and fun.
    I agree the villains are a vital part of EVE, especially groups like PL or Goons.

    I don't mind losing ships in pvp combat, but not nearly so much when its my Skiffs.

    But like you said, only what I'm willing to lose.

    "True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde 

    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm

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  • TalonsinTalonsin Member EpicPosts: 3,619
    filmoret said:

    EH? I guess you don't understand what EVE is. They have entire regions that are under protection from griefing and if you don't like the warfare then that is where you should stay. Everything else is controlled by corporations and aliances and they are constantly at war with each other. That is what EVE is.
    Could you tell me where this "entire region(s) that are under protection from griefing" is?  Its not high-sec as miner bumping, suicide attacks and Code destroying mining barges is griefing to me.  Is this stuff not happening anymore?
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  • wyldmagikwyldmagik Member UncommonPosts: 516
    edited December 2015
    Talonsin said:
    filmoret said:

    EH? I guess you don't understand what EVE is. They have entire regions that are under protection from griefing and if you don't like the warfare then that is where you should stay. Everything else is controlled by corporations and aliances and they are constantly at war with each other. That is what EVE is.
    Could you tell me where this "entire region(s) that are under protection from griefing" is?  Its not high-sec as miner bumping, suicide attacks and Code destroying mining barges is griefing to me.  Is this stuff not happening anymore?
    Filmoret seems to of only played eve through the tutorial and quit or something because nowhere is safe in eve, sure HS is safer to a point but that does not mean an asshat wont suicide you or attack in some other form. And don't forget if you are in a corp and at war HS becomes a hunting ground for your enemy.
  • PalaPala Member UncommonPosts: 360
    edited December 2015
    So leave the corp if you dont want to be a part of this war. Come on, if you dont want to lose a ship you can make sure that its very very unlikely. Stop being such crybabies. After all its a game, you will earn another ship. I ve lost ships by doing stupid things, also I have had 50 ships and throw away ships for PVP, its really not a big deal.

  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    wyldmagik said:
    Talonsin said:
    filmoret said:

    EH? I guess you don't understand what EVE is. They have entire regions that are under protection from griefing and if you don't like the warfare then that is where you should stay. Everything else is controlled by corporations and aliances and they are constantly at war with each other. That is what EVE is.
    Could you tell me where this "entire region(s) that are under protection from griefing" is?  Its not high-sec as miner bumping, suicide attacks and Code destroying mining barges is griefing to me.  Is this stuff not happening anymore?
    Filmoret seems to of only played eve through the tutorial and quit or something because nowhere is safe in eve, sure HS is safer to a point but that does not mean an asshat wont suicide you or attack in some other form. And don't forget if you are in a corp and at war HS becomes a hunting ground for your enemy.
    HMM what game you playing where dying once a day is considered griefing?  Yes people can kill you but with consequence and in high sec the guards show up rather quickly to stop them.  If you are at the point you can fly freighters then you should be aware of how and when.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • BaitnessBaitness Member UncommonPosts: 675
    edited December 2015
    filmoret said:
    wyldmagik said:
    Talonsin said:
    filmoret said:

    EH? I guess you don't understand what EVE is. They have entire regions that are under protection from griefing and if you don't like the warfare then that is where you should stay. Everything else is controlled by corporations and aliances and they are constantly at war with each other. That is what EVE is.
    Could you tell me where this "entire region(s) that are under protection from griefing" is?  Its not high-sec as miner bumping, suicide attacks and Code destroying mining barges is griefing to me.  Is this stuff not happening anymore?
    Filmoret seems to of only played eve through the tutorial and quit or something because nowhere is safe in eve, sure HS is safer to a point but that does not mean an asshat wont suicide you or attack in some other form. And don't forget if you are in a corp and at war HS becomes a hunting ground for your enemy.
    HMM what game you playing where dying once a day is considered griefing?  Yes people can kill you but with consequence and in high sec the guards show up rather quickly to stop them.  If you are at the point you can fly freighters then you should be aware of how and when.
    Are you kidding?  If you are not in an NPC corp you can be under constant wardec.  Corps used to try to extort money out of smaller corps by doing this, but they got bored and now it is more frequently just done to any corp that can't fight back to get more killmails.

    If you are in an NPC corp than you can't get much enjoyment out of the game - this is not a solo friendly game.  At least you won't get wardecs.

    Even then, if you want to transport anything worth over 40 mil to any of the major trade posts you basically expect to be ganked.  Players are bored and waiting for any chance to get a kill, even if it just means a small loss after looting and salvage.

    The only way I could imagine that you are so unfamiliar with how dangerous hisec is, is that you are very new to the game.  If you are still flying ships worth under 5m, then yeah, you probably are not going to be getting ganked.  A good ganking ship will come out to 40m, and the gankers would rather not be throwing all their money away.  Of course, if you are flying ships worth less than 5m, you are not going to be getting much of anything done.

    All this is assuming there isn't a a "player event" happening, like Burn Jita or Hulkageddon, then your chances are even worse.

    There is no point in lying about EVE.  MMO vets are all aware of the type of game it is.  It still gets recommended because it does offer a sandbox to play and it is incredibly in depth, but nobody that knows what they are talking about will describe hisec as safe.  It is a pretty good game with terrible combat and a community that spends every moment of consciousness trying to think of a new way to get a free kill or scam some isk.  They will backstab their friends, abuse bugs, kill random players because they are bored and tell them to HTFU.  That is all fine, it gives the game a 'wild west in space' feel.  The same community will tell you how to avoid the scam after they trick you, tell you what was wrong with your build after they gank you, and tell you "good fight" after catching you in a gate camp.  It really isn't all that bad.

    But it is NOT safe.
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