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'Every Man for Himself' Racial to be Altered | World of Warcraft | MMORPG.com

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
edited December 2015 in News & Features Discussion

image'Every Man for Himself' Racial to be Altered | World of Warcraft | MMORPG.com

One of the most vociferous complaints in the last year or two in the World of Warcraft PvP community has been about how overpowered the human racial ability, Every Man for Himself, is and that as a result, human/Alliance imbalance in PvP has been strongly felt. The ability "removes all movement impairing effects and all effects which cause loss of control of your character" and essentially gives humans an extra "get out of jail free" ability when paired with PvP trinkets offering the same.

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  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    For years i have been telling that at level 10 all classes should get a cc breaker ability that will break CC every 2 min in pvp situation and change racial cc breaker so that they break cc from npc mob. It would solve all of these nonsense but no they just have to ruin one racial after another to "balance" pvp cc braking...

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  • RusqueRusque Member RarePosts: 2,785
    Well it would be "nerfed" if they hadn't made it way better than it used to be. EMFH was and is primarily used to break out of stuns. Fear/charm effects are only on like 3 classes, while nearly every class has a stun.


    So to "nerf" it they change it to a 30 second cooldown stun breaker that doesn't trigger the pvp trinket! lol nice. Humans can now break out of 4 stuns every two minutes instead of once every 2 minutes.
  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
    edited December 2015
    Rusque said:
    Well it would be "nerfed" if they hadn't made it way better than it used to be. EMFH was and is primarily used to break out of stuns. Fear/charm effects are only on like 3 classes, while nearly every class has a stun. So to "nerf" it they change it to a 30 second cooldown stun breaker that doesn't trigger the pvp trinket! lol nice. Humans can now break out of 4 stuns every two minutes instead of once every 2 minutes.


    100% agreement. Maybe it's just me, but it seems STRONGER, not the reverse. Honestly, racial abilities simply need to be removed from, at the very least, competitive PvP -- completely if I had my 'druthers.


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  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,411
    SBFord said:
    Rusque said:
    Well it would be "nerfed" if they hadn't made it way better than it used to be. EMFH was and is primarily used to break out of stuns. Fear/charm effects are only on like 3 classes, while nearly every class has a stun. So to "nerf" it they change it to a 30 second cooldown stun breaker that doesn't trigger the pvp trinket! lol nice. Humans can now break out of 4 stuns every two minutes instead of once every 2 minutes.


    100% agreement. Maybe it's just me, but it seems STRONGER, not the reverse. Honestly, racial abilities simply need to be removed from, at the very least, competitive PvP -- completely if I had my 'druthers.


    completely removing is how PvP screws any flavor in MMO's.  PvP is the scourge of a good MMORPG, It removes the RPG.
  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,407
    edited December 2015
    Why could they not have altered this for PvP only why screw with PvE? This is why I hate games that cater to both , the PvP always screws up fun things in PvE.
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  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
    cheyane said:
    Why could they not have altered this for PvP only why screw with PvE? This is why I hate games that cater to both , the PvP always screws up fun things in PvE.
    It's possible that it IS PvP only since these racial abilities are now talents, not innate, from what I understand. Sadly, we don't have a lot of information yet about PvP in Legion. Given the big changes incoming, it's about time they began talking about it, testing it and receiving feedback -- not just making theoretical blue posts on the forum.


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  • ArskaaaArskaaa Member RarePosts: 1,265
    typical. fix it only in new expasion pack.
  • danwest58danwest58 Member RarePosts: 2,012
    The great example of WOW trying to cater to everyone and doing nothing but pissing everyone off.  This is why WOW continues to loose people and will not stop loosen people.  I loved PVP in Vanilla and TBC even though as a hunter I would get my ass handed to me by warriors, and CC was big.  Guess what it just made it so I didnt try to become the solo hero of the Battlegrounds.  I actually had to work as a TEAM to win.  Think of that novel concept.  
  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    danwest58 said:
    The great example of WOW trying to cater to everyone and doing nothing but pissing everyone off.  This is why WOW continues to loose people and will not stop loosen people.  I loved PVP in Vanilla and TBC even though as a hunter I would get my ass handed to me by warriors, and CC was big.  Guess what it just made it so I didnt try to become the solo hero of the Battlegrounds.  I actually had to work as a TEAM to win.  Think of that novel concept.  
    Or multibox to win, whichever works. Right?

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  • odiasudaodiasuda Member UncommonPosts: 162
    99 percent of the time you use Every Man for Himself to remove a stun anyway. This is pretty much just a huge buff.
  • OnigodOnigod Member UncommonPosts: 756
    Sadly this game is still so big while it never bothered to alter that ability for pvp, such Blizzard.
  • YaevinduskYaevindusk Member RarePosts: 2,094
    edited December 2015
    Huge buff to the humans if it makes it live.

    Expect them to add "and makes you immune to all damage for the duration of the fight" with how horrid they've been at balancing PvP since Mists of Pandaria and the PvE gear scandals they had.

    Gladiator Gear Item Level: 520
    PVE: 580

    Even when the had a new season to cover the fact they had no content and WoD was a year away (how does this sound familiar?) and upped the PvP gear to 550 you got one shot by warlocks.  Then lo and behold, they added 10 item level upgrades for PvE gear which screwed with the balance even more when all was said and done.
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  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
    Yaevindusk said:
    Huge buff to the humans if it makes it live.

    Expect them to add "and makes you immune to all damage for the duration of the fight" with how horrid they've been at balancing PvP since Mists of Pandaria and the PvE gear scandals.
    Ack... plus human paladins D:


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  • RusqueRusque Member RarePosts: 2,785
    Hey, I resemble that remark! Human pally checking in. Although, to be fair, it's been my main since vanilla. So I've earned my keep, I rebuffed those 5 minute greater blessings for hours on end.
  • YaevinduskYaevindusk Member RarePosts: 2,094
    Rusque said:
    Hey, I resemble that remark! Human pally checking in. Although, to be fair, it's been my main since vanilla. So I've earned my keep, I rebuffed those 5 minute greater blessings for hours on end.
    Buffadins knew how to judge their seals...

    But they never could grasp the concept on swinging a weapon twice in a row.

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    Also, I thoroughly enjoy debates and have accounts on over a dozen sites for this.  If you wish to engage in such, please put effort in a post and provide sources -- I will then do the same with what I already wrote (if I didn't) as well as with my responses to your own.  Expanding my information on a subject makes my stance either change or strengthen the next time I speak of it or write a thesis.  Allow me to thank you sincerely for your time.
  • Deadrites87Deadrites87 Member UncommonPosts: 94
    just remove racials from pvp and be done with it and stop catering to the alliance...its not just humans either...ne druids/rogues can use shadowmeld to reopen on there targets and allows druids to rake stun there target making tauren or troll at a disadvantage going up against other druids who are ne and dont even get me started on how broken shadowmeld flightform macro is in owpvp but at least taurens get a 2 sec stun that already dr's with rake and mighty bash amirite?...
  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    Deadrites87 said:
    just remove racials from pvp and be done with it and stop catering to the alliance...its not just humans either...ne druids/rogues can use shadowmeld to reopen on there targets and allows druids to rake stun there target making tauren or troll at a disadvantage going up against other druids who are ne and dont even get me started on how broken shadowmeld flightform macro is in owpvp but at least taurens get a 2 sec stun that already dr's with rake and mighty bash amirite?...
    They just need to change the cc(like tauren's stomp) and cc breaker in racial PvE only thing. CC only effects only npc mob and cc breaker only break cc from npc mob. Problem solved.

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  • daltaniousdaltanious Member UncommonPosts: 2,381
    Just remove this ability from PVP and stop bother other folk.
  • muffins89muffins89 Member UncommonPosts: 1,585
    Horusra said:
    SBFord said:
    Rusque said:
    Well it would be "nerfed" if they hadn't made it way better than it used to be. EMFH was and is primarily used to break out of stuns. Fear/charm effects are only on like 3 classes, while nearly every class has a stun. So to "nerf" it they change it to a 30 second cooldown stun breaker that doesn't trigger the pvp trinket! lol nice. Humans can now break out of 4 stuns every two minutes instead of once every 2 minutes.


    100% agreement. Maybe it's just me, but it seems STRONGER, not the reverse. Honestly, racial abilities simply need to be removed from, at the very least, competitive PvP -- completely if I had my 'druthers.


    completely removing is how PvP screws any flavor in MMO's.  PvP is the scourge of a good MMORPG, It removes the RPG.
    i disagree.  pve is what ruins it for the pvp players. 
  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Horusra said:

    completely removing is how PvP screws any flavor in MMO's.  PvP is the scourge of a good MMORPG, It removes the RPG.
     Not really, if you design a PvP RPG you can make it really good. But when you add PvP to a game design for PvE you get these problems. Wow really isn't made with PvP in mind and when you need very different tactics when fighting humans and mobs one  or the other will suffer.

    The only way I think you can get good PvP in a PvE based game is to add 2 seperate systems, your character will have a completelly different set of abilities for PvP.

    It would of coarse been better if the game were made with both playstyles from the start, that way you can intergrate them with far less issues (GW2 is made that way) but seperating the 2 playstyles with completelly different stats and abilities would probably be the right way here. In fact it is the easiest way in any game that uses tanks since tanks plays so differently in PvE and PvP.

    If your class works differently in PvE and PvP there is no need to nerf the other type of gameplay so we wouldn't get there stupid nerfs to PvE because of PvP or the other way around.
  • compwitchcompwitch Member UncommonPosts: 19
    And once again the game caters to only the PvP players. Given all the changes to race/class upcoming in Legion, I won't be bothering to stick around for it.
  • ThaneThane Member EpicPosts: 3,534
    yea, they made undead half humans, bc our fear resist and no normal behaviour to fear was too OP.... but the "yea, i am human, dont bother me" move stayed for ages :)

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