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LOTR Online - Ages 10 to 16
BurningPain
Member Posts: 68
"Look mama, i'm a hobbit..."
"Look mama, I killed a rabbit"
Bah.....
No PVP in LOTR Online? Incomprehensible. At least make one ffa pvp server. Seriously what a bunch of carebears.
This is a childs game.
BurningPain
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At least us carebears bothor to read the book and know that the evil races had no selfcontrol and were mindless puppets of Sauron
You call it a childs game, yet we don't know a whole lot about it, and no one has played it...
That post was childish.
"First you wanna kill me, now you wanna kiss me...Blow."--Ash, "Army of Darkness"
have fun on noob game
I mean this by no means in defense of the orignial poster but your argument is flawed. You state that the "evil" races had no control of themselves and were simply mindless puppets of Sauron. So Sauron wanted his mindless puppets to slaughter each other in the tower of Cirith Ungol so that Sam and Frodo could escape?
Indaviduals always have a choice, even the "mindless puppets" of Saruon.
lol
I mean this by no means in defense of the orignial poster but your argument is flawed. You state that the "evil" races had no control of themselves and were simply mindless puppets of Sauron. So Sauron wanted his mindless puppets to slaughter each other in the tower of Cirith Ungol so that Sam and Frodo could escape?
Indaviduals always have a choice, even the "mindless puppets" of Saruon.
"mindless puppets" was a wrong term.I meant: that lets say Sauron needed all of his forces to attack Minis Tirith, an orc cant just go wander off and do its own thing. It is bound by Sauron's will and for the most part doesn't have much self control.
that might be very true but its not a very good reason to NOT have pvp in a MMORPG. I know they want to stick in lore but... i just hate to see LOTRO being so restricted.
I wish they would make a MMORPG based on First or Second Age instead of LOTR... Silmarillion is less detailed and DEVs would have more freedom.
I rarely come into these LOTR forums. Maybe a couple times in one week every few months. Yet every single time I come in, there is another one of these threads about there being no pvp. These are no longer informative, nothing more than whining. I wish people would give up. Poor poor LOTR: Online community, I feel your pain
With no playable evil races there is no grounds for pvp. that is there bases for no pvp. If turbine had playable races then yes there would be pvp. The lore does not support the free people of middle earth killing each other for sport.
As for the silmarillion. It would be nice to see a game or a movie based on it. But Christopher tolkien holds the rights to the silmarillion and he has said he won't give any movie rights or any other rights to the silmarillion to perserve the writings. Or something like that. So no matter how much we would like to seea movie or game based on the silmarillion it won't happen as long as Chris Tolkien holds the rights.
LOTR is the story that all RPG games including MMO's and table tops are based on. It was the forerunner. It has the perfect story for PvP with the ultimate good vs. evil storyline. We would not have D&D, WoW, Everquest, etc. without LOTR.
It is very unfortunate they have chosen to not develop a PvP based game. I really don't understand that decision.
The problem is sauron's forces are slaves to his will. Why would you want to play a slave? Grant it a slave can think for themselves but live in constant fear of there master. I don't know about you but i have no desire to play a slave in a game. Even the evil men are slaves to his will, they do as he bids. Besides the fact that they will loose no matter what. The story already tells us that. If given the chose would you really pick the side that you know will be defeated. If they were to make helm's deep a battleground, evil would always loose. It is ordained by tolkien. The battle for minas tirith, evil looses. They can't just change the story to suite what they want. This game is based of off the books and a predetermined storyline. In the end saruon falls and all the great battles in the books evil looses.
Besides the fact, THIS IS NOT WOW!!!!! This is middle earth. Why do you all keep calling for it to be wow in a middel earth setting?? The lore of LoTR is totally differant from WOW. You can 't just change this to this and that to that and have too totally differant lores be the same thing.
The devs spent along time on the pvp matter and came to the conclusion that it does not fit in the lore of the books. Besides the fact that no matter how hard they try you will end up with a gankfest for a game with pvp. I know not everyone who loves pvp is a ganker or a griefer. I enjoy pvp to a certain extent, and i abhor ganking and griefing. But the fact remains that there is a vast majority of the pvper's out there that love the ganking and griefing. And the only way you can stop from being part of it is if they implement safe zones or a peac party choose. This game is not being developed for open pvp which breeds the ganking and griefing.
Accept it. move on. There are so many other games that are coming out that will scratch that pvp itch for you. Darkfall is a all out you can kill friendly and enemy pvp environment. I predict darkfall will be the biggest gankfest in history of games, good thing they have no lvls to grind.
I can't go arond ganking low levels, it's a noob game!!!
seriously, just because there isn't pvp doesn't mean that it's a freaking carebear game, carebear implies that the game is very easy, and seeing as how you know nothing about the game other than the fac that there will be no pvp...
I PvP in WoW, and i have a character on a pvp server, and I'll let you in on a little secret, the people who are on the pvp servers are actually worse at playing their classes than those on the PvE server...yes it's true, us carebears actually are more skilled than you uber leet people.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
i actually really dont mind an absence of pvp, as long as the storyline and npcs are interesting. if the game has a dev team that cares than this should be a decent game.
maybe im just tired of pvp in mmos after mxo and guild wars, but im looking forward to the change.
hilarious, the op thinks killing people in a game makes them mature.
I never knew Counterstrike was being played by adults only, geez.
It seems to me that no one has mentioned what may be the real reason for no PvP in this game. I really dont think it has to do with the lore, because it is good versus evil so it is by nature set up to have conflict between people. The real reason is probably from a pure gaming perspective.
First off the genre is full of Fantasy MMORPGs. And WoW being the biggest competitor this game will have to differenciate itself if it wants to succeed. If they add a WoW type, faction based PvP, why not just play WoW?
Second trying to play balence a PvP and PvE game is very hard. If you match things for PvP you screw them up for PvE you cant really have a good play experience at both. Anyone who has actually played a real paper RPG will know that some characters are really support for the group, like the healer. In a good PvE balenced game the healer with get the crap beat out of him every time by just about every other type of character. Also on the flip, no group could survive without a healer in it and they have to protect him. Whereas in PvP the characters are all farely balenced so they offer a challenge to each other. A fighter type has to use certin tactics versus a mage and others on thieves, etc. But each character type has a good chance with a good player at the helm to win. So a PvP balence in a PvE world leads to almost all soloing, there is no need for a group. And a PvE balence in a PvP world leads to people playing only a few character types.
I hope that makes sense. It would seem to me a smart choice. In most of the games Ive played(AC, AC2, DOAC, E&B, EVE,WoW, Horizons,EQ2,SWG,AO) as i recall the non PVP servers when offered were more populated. Therefore it makes complete sense that turbine would choose to set themselves appart and go for a pure PvE game. That would allow them to make a much deeper grouping based game, even if it sacrifices some potential players due to no PvP. If they can get all the carebears out there to subscribe, this game would be hugely successful.