Gaming is NOT addictive! You do not have physical withdrawal syndrome if you stop playing games. There is no such thing has gaming addiction. It's a habit, nothing more.
True addiction leads to serious withdrawals if you don't do whatever it is you are actually addicted to.
I despise "political correctness", but the phrase "I'm addicted to ______" needs to be carefully used.
There's a big difference between psychological dependence and physical withdrawal. Both are symptoms of addiction, and one may be "addicted" to a noun or verb having only one or the other.
A better way to look at it is; does the activity hold primacy (is it the most important thing to the addicted person), and what will one sacrifice in order to satisfy the habit? These are better indicators of addiction than just physical withdrawal, imo.
edit: on further thought, I would say physical withdrawal may or may not be a part of addiction but psychological dependence is always present. Let's say someone tries heroin one time in his/her life, and never touches it again. Would it be right to classify that person a heroin addict? Now let's say a gamer gives up his friends, family, car, house, job, because of a gaming habit. Which is a better example of addiction?
That's a great explanation. :) However, psychological "dependence" would suggest that the person has an actual dependence. Meaning, they "depend" on whatever it is, and if not, then something negative will happen. For example, my kids depend on me to work and make money so that they eat. They aren't "addicted" to eating, or for addicted to their dad working. They just depend on it. They need it to survive. Of course, if I stopped working and providing for them, then yes, they would probably develop psychological issues.
Can a person really be truly dependant on playing games in that if they were to be forced to stop that they would have mental issues? True mental issues?
Is that anywhere even close in similarity as real substance addiction?
Unbelievable. Does everything need warning labels then?
Apparently, yes.
If you come to realize that most people are basically stupid and lazy then yes, warning labels are a requirement so they don't harm themselves...although a case could be made for natural selection in these cases.
That's a great explanation. However, psychological "dependence" would suggest that the person has an actual dependence. Meaning, they "depend" on whatever it is, and if not, then something negative will happen. For example, my kids depend on me to work and make money so that they eat. They aren't "addicted" to eating, or for addicted to their dad working. They just depend on it. They need it to survive. Of course, if I stopped working and providing for them, then yes, they would probably develop psychological issues.
Can a person really be truly dependant on playing games in that if they were to be forced to stop that they would have mental issues? True mental issues?
Is that anywhere even close in similarity as real substance addiction?
Based on personal experience I would say yes, it's very similar.
Look at the number of people ITT calling this individual a 'moron', yet how 'moronic' is it to choose a 'fix' over food / clothing / shelter etc.? And yet, how many homeless people have substance abuse issues? Many of these are comorbid with other mental health issues, as well. Addiction is better understood than, say, 100 years ago, but imho it's still a brave new frontier of psychology.
I would say someone dependent on video games uses them as a means to escape (just like alcohol, illegal drugs, gambling, sex can all be means of escape) from pressures of everyday life, or perhaps s/he is dealing with other issues. Once this escape stops being 'benign' and begins to consume things like jobs, relationships, et cetera, the subject has definitely crossed over into the realm of addiction. The sad/funny thing is, the addict probably doesn't even 'want' to keep playing, it's just the 'easiest' thing to do. Addiction is one of the best arguments I've ever seen against free will; it truly is a downward spiral (slightly off-topic, but Paul even seemed to know about this when he wrote Romans: "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do." 7:15).
As far as being addicted to air or water or your parents as a child; that's just absurd. You really do need those things to survive. I don't think anyone could claim the same for recreational drugs, video games, et cetera.
Addiction takes many different shapes/forms. I wouldn't be surprised at all if for this individual the shape it took was Fallout 4. Right now the best way we have of understanding it is to look at behaviors rather than biological states. This may change in the future with a better understanding of neurology/endocrinology and how neural connections / hormones result in behaviors, but that's getting into things like free will again. Personally, I think it's an inherently chaotic system and may never be fully understood.
I doubt Bethesda has to worry about being liable for anyone being addicted to their game in this particular instance.
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Fallout 4 has been out long enough for this "lost job, wife, friends" to happen? 43 days?
This guy works fast on his plummet into obscurity.
Yet he can still afford a legal team?
say whut?
Tell me about. Job i could see it, not coming and skipping days, but wife and friends? Feel like he must have done more than play games to lose those two
In all honesty I found Fallout 4 very easy to put down. I own every Fallout game and have been dissatisfied with 3, New Vega and 4. I just uninstalled 4 yesterday to make space.
he has about as much right to this as the Fat people that sued MCDonalds because of the supersize menu or better yet the Lady that WON the Coffee was Hot and I had no idea it would be that hot case!!! The coffee lady woulda been pissed if she had received cold coffee but since she burned herself like an ass had to be pissed cause it was hot! Whats the world coming too!
he has about as much right to this as the Fat people that sued MCDonalds because of the supersize menu or better yet the Lady that WON the Coffee was Hot and I had no idea it would be that hot case!!! The coffee lady woulda been pissed if she had received cold coffee but since she burned herself like an ass had to be pissed cause it was hot! Whats the world coming too!
Might want to research what that case was actually about. You're presenting the 'morally outraged' edition.
he has about as much right to this as the Fat people that sued MCDonalds because of the supersize menu or better yet the Lady that WON the Coffee was Hot and I had no idea it would be that hot case!!! The coffee lady woulda been pissed if she had received cold coffee but since she burned herself like an ass had to be pissed cause it was hot! Whats the world coming too!
Might want to research what that case was actually about. You're presenting the 'morally outraged' edition.
Being morally outraged is the national pastime in America these days.
Unbelievable. Does everything need warning labels then?
Apparently, yes.
If you come to realize that most people are basically stupid and lazy then yes, warning labels are a requirement so they don't harm themselves...although a case could be made for natural selection in these cases.
Warning labels will not help if the lawyer is good enough.
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This guy works fast on his plummet into obscurity.
Yet he can still afford a legal team?
say whut?
Vhayne said:
Gaming is NOT addictive! You do not have physical withdrawal syndrome if you stop playing games. There is no such thing has gaming addiction. It's a habit, nothing more.
True addiction leads to serious withdrawals if you don't do whatever it is you are actually addicted to.
I despise "political correctness", but the phrase "I'm addicted to ______" needs to be carefully used.
There's a big difference between psychological dependence and physical withdrawal. Both are symptoms of addiction, and one may be "addicted" to a noun or verb having only one or the other.
A better way to look at it is; does the activity hold primacy (is it the most important thing to the addicted person), and what will one sacrifice in order to satisfy the habit? These are better indicators of addiction than just physical withdrawal, imo.
edit: on further thought, I would say physical withdrawal may or may not be a part of addiction but psychological dependence is always present. Let's say someone tries heroin one time in his/her life, and never touches it again. Would it be right to classify that person a heroin addict? Now let's say a gamer gives up his friends, family, car, house, job, because of a gaming habit. Which is a better example of addiction?
That's a great explanation. :) However, psychological "dependence" would suggest that the person has an actual dependence. Meaning, they "depend" on whatever it is, and if not, then something negative will happen. For example, my kids depend on me to work and make money so that they eat. They aren't "addicted" to eating, or for addicted to their dad working. They just depend on it. They need it to survive. Of course, if I stopped working and providing for them, then yes, they would probably develop psychological issues.
Can a person really be truly dependant on playing games in that if they were to be forced to stop that they would have mental issues? True mental issues?
Is that anywhere even close in similarity as real substance addiction?
If you come to realize that most people are basically stupid and lazy then yes, warning labels are a requirement so they don't harm themselves...although a case could be made for natural selection in these cases.
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Look at the number of people ITT calling this individual a 'moron', yet how 'moronic' is it to choose a 'fix' over food / clothing / shelter etc.? And yet, how many homeless people have substance abuse issues? Many of these are comorbid with other mental health issues, as well. Addiction is better understood than, say, 100 years ago, but imho it's still a brave new frontier of psychology.
I would say someone dependent on video games uses them as a means to escape (just like alcohol, illegal drugs, gambling, sex can all be means of escape) from pressures of everyday life, or perhaps s/he is dealing with other issues. Once this escape stops being 'benign' and begins to consume things like jobs, relationships, et cetera, the subject has definitely crossed over into the realm of addiction. The sad/funny thing is, the addict probably doesn't even 'want' to keep playing, it's just the 'easiest' thing to do. Addiction is one of the best arguments I've ever seen against free will; it truly is a downward spiral (slightly off-topic, but Paul even seemed to know about this when he wrote Romans: "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do." 7:15).
As far as being addicted to air or water or your parents as a child; that's just absurd. You really do need those things to survive. I don't think anyone could claim the same for recreational drugs, video games, et cetera.
Addiction takes many different shapes/forms. I wouldn't be surprised at all if for this individual the shape it took was Fallout 4. Right now the best way we have of understanding it is to look at behaviors rather than biological states. This may change in the future with a better understanding of neurology/endocrinology and how neural connections / hormones result in behaviors, but that's getting into things like free will again. Personally, I think it's an inherently chaotic system and may never be fully understood.
I doubt Bethesda has to worry about being liable for anyone being addicted to their game in this particular instance.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
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Playing ESO on my X-Box
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WARNING:
Yes! This game is THAT good!