Brace yourselves - more new ship concepts incoming for sale next year

jcrg99 · December 2015

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/267404/wave-5-confirmed-concept-ships-new-ideas-poll-800-votes

This is only getting better and better ROFL

F0URTWENTY · December 2015

Can you believe you can own those pixels for only a few thousand USD? Such a great deal. Such good gameplay.

Kyleran · December 2015

I doubt the Sales will ever stop as long as people continue to buy them. My guess is even after this game goes live will continue to sell something if not ships perhaps stations or something again you'll be contributing to the development of the stations and a founder.

hfztt · December 2015

Kyleran said:

I doubt the Sales will ever stop as long as people continue to buy them. My guess is even after this game goes live will continue to sell something if not ships perhaps stations or something again you'll be contributing to the development of the stations and a founder.

Yeah. Seeming as they claim a B2P model (afaik) and want to run an MMO environment, they have to sell something. But I guess we have to wait and see exactly how that plays out.

Erillion · December 2015

jcrg99 said:

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/267404/wave-5-confirmed-concept-ships-new-ideas-poll-800-votes

This is only getting better and better ROFL

Hey ... lets necro the thread not only on the official forum but also here !

Its not like this was not known for half a year (in some cases up to a year) already ....

Have fun

GrumpyHobbit · December 2015

OP are you going to play the game?

If you are then don't you welcome people with more money then you enabling SC to be a better game? I cannot think of any reason anyone who wants to play the game would object to the game have more development funds.

If you are not then why the obsession about it?

jcrg99 · December 2015

Erillion said:

jcrg99 said:

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/267404/wave-5-confirmed-concept-ships-new-ideas-poll-800-votes

This is only getting better and better ROFL

Hey ... lets necro the thread not only on the official forum but also here !

Its not like this was not known for half a year (in some cases up to a year) already ....

Have fun

Not everyone knows everything that you, supposedly, knew from an year or half an year ago.

nimander99 · December 2015

GrumpyHobbit said:

OP are you going to play the game?

If you are then don't you welcome people with more money then you enabling SC to be a better game? I cannot think of any reason anyone who wants to play the game would object to the game have more development funds.

If you are not then why the obsession about it?

I see this or similar statements time and again on video game forums but I hate to break it to y'all but more money does not equal a better game by default...

Erillion · December 2015

jcrg99 said:

Not everyone knows everything that you, supposedly, knew from an year or half an year ago.

Its written in the post you linked. So - its no "sikrit knowledge", it is RIGHT THERE.

The post was from June 2015.

It refers - among other things - to a Chairman letter (and ships discussed there) from the end of 2014 and the TNGS fan spaceship contest from the beginning of 2014 (with many ships from that contest worthy of also being included in SC). It refers also to some ships from SQ42 that also should be used in SC Persistent Universe (like the F8 Lightning or the Manticore) as they have been (or are being) developed anyway.

Have fun

GrumpyHobbit · December 2015

nimander99 said:

GrumpyHobbit said:

OP are you going to play the game?

If you are then don't you welcome people with more money then you enabling SC to be a better game? I cannot think of any reason anyone who wants to play the game would object to the game have more development funds.

If you are not then why the obsession about it?

I see this or similar statements time and again on video game forums but I hate to break it to y'all but more money does not equal a better game by default...

True but it certainly is better to have more funds then less.
How about I rephrase the question...

If you are going to play the game why are you angry that others are investing in it?

If you are not then why the obsession with trying to ridicule every step the game takes?

From an outside observer this looks like Jealousy or a petty grudge.

reeereee · December 2015

You mean they're going to try and sell more ships? This is new and shocking information!

SEANMCAD · December 2015

The impetuous one would say 'oh that crazy Star Citizen folks with these silly sales'

the more methodical one would say 'there is very clearly a meta-demand that we have never seen before in the history of anything. Gigital goods that are part of a game considered to be of value, we might want to watch this phenomenon closely even more so if we are business minded'

jcrg99 · December 2015

GrumpyHobbit said:

True but it certainly is better to have more funds then less.

No. Not certainly.

GrumpyHobbit · December 2015

jcrg99 said:

GrumpyHobbit said:

True but it certainly is better to have more funds then less.
No. Not certainly.

Wow that chip must be huge!!!!!

jcrg99 · December 2015

SEANMCAD said:

we might want to watch this phenomenon closely even more so if we are business minded'

True. Which does not mean a good thing necessarily.

RPGMASTERGAMER · December 2015

they need do these sales before the game hit release ( if that ever happen ) because when people notice this game will be only yet another decent or mediocre mmorpg who will last some time and not THE ULTIMATE MMORPG OF DEAD EXPERIENCE BEST GAME EVER FOREVER GAMES .... people will be less inclined to spend 2500$ for a cute new ship pixel model when they are bored from the game after a few months.

let face it, the game cant live up to the hype they curently got, so they go ALL IN and sell these ships model based on nothing but the crazy hypes this game got.

and honestly i would do the same if i was in their place, any business man would do it

many peole will be fooled and make as hell when this game release, mark my world

Nanfoodle · December 2015

Lol

SEANMCAD · December 2015

jcrg99 said:

SEANMCAD said:

we might want to watch this phenomenon closely even more so if we are business minded'

True. Which does not mean a good thing necessarily.

its mostly neutral

here is why

Dollars spent represent a vote for what the spender sees as value. Be it a Porsche, trading cards, or a 3000 square foot home with rooms that never get used. In reality what gives us real value is very little, most of it is imaginary like a good movie.

value can be manufactured which in this case its likely both. Speaking for myself I do see value in digital goods in a game and I would be willing to spend money on such items, just thousands, not even hundreds but i have no question that a clever economist could help a developer come up with some good ones.

In case you cant tell everytime I see a fancy car, fancy boat or large home I just shake my head just like you do with digital goods.

I think the Egyptian pyramid is a clear vote that the human species like spending on useless crap

Little-Boot · December 2015

Star Citizen: The Farce Awakens

Wizardry · December 2015

GrumpyHobbit said:

OP are you going to play the game?

If you are then don't you welcome people with more money then you enabling SC to be a better game? I cannot think of any reason anyone who wants to play the game would object to the game have more development funds.

If you are not then why the obsession about it?

Why would you need MORE money since each goal has been met for development,is it to have an end of year baseball party with your team all drinks on the house?There are morals and a point to be made,this game will NEVER in another 20 years NEVER be worth thousands of dollars to play.It is not only people spending thousands RIGHT NOW,but they will likely be spending more down the road,maybe thousands more.This is called exploitation of some really dumb people.Now those that spent maybe 50 bucks,that is ok to some extent,but your not getting a game for 50 bucks like all other developers are giving you,your getting a promissory note of a game soon to come and it is not even a legal promissory note.

The game you are going to be playing is going to be an incredible farcry from the money Chris has already attained.
From day 1 i doubted mismanagement but after all this time,i have no doubt at all that he has wasted a lot of money and making ships to make more money is NOT getting the game better or done.

When i read that Escapist report i noticed an alarming trend with ALL of Chris's answers,he carefully worded and danced around the actual questions and just answered them so it sounded correct buy never answered the direct questions.

Example when those employees said it felt like they were never working on the game but instead was like making commercials for game shows he claimed "We haven't made a commercial in a year.Well yeah no shit Sherlock,the "commercial" statement was an anaology not a direct accusation of making commercials.Then of course he never actually answered the question about not working on the game and just making videos for the game shows.

Sulaa · December 2015

Kyleran said:

I doubt the Sales will ever stop as long as people continue to buy them. My guess is even after this game goes live will continue to sell something if not ships perhaps stations or something again you'll be contributing to the development of the stations and a founder.

Agreed. They will continue. Also post release. If not ships then something else.

As long as people will keep giving them money they will continue to take them.

jcrg99 · December 2015

GrumpyHobbit said:

jcrg99 said:

GrumpyHobbit said:

True but it certainly is better to have more funds then less.
No. Not certainly.

Wow that chip must be huge!!!!!

As they increase the graphic appeal (Which is what they basically have been spending more money into, as a primary objective, and it seems more interesting to keep the hype than for effectiveness), more and more they decrease their ability to accelerate the pace of development and restrict their ability to deliver actual and meaningful value to the backers in an acceptable time frame considering the estimates shared, making the game, as a whole, getting stale, under the perception of more people.

Besides, some features that were supposed to come are ended removed due restrictions created, that mentioning once again, are visual appeals, not really meaningful gameplay additions. For example, the coop features of the campaign already was. Naturally, the multiplayer capacity of Star Citizen have been suffering and certainly can't be "better" in the perception of everyone if its more limited than initially hyped.

The flaw of your argument is that "better" depends in the end of the individual customer perspective. That's why a company never should increase a scope under the excuse of making something "better" and "faster" (CIG promised both and those who took them seriously, many of them, will end disappointed or are already). It's a false promise by default. It does not work for everyone involved and its unfair business practice. You don't need to wait for a release, to know that its a lie (logical fallacy).

SEANMCAD · December 2015

jcrg99 said:

GrumpyHobbit said:

jcrg99 said:

GrumpyHobbit said:

True but it certainly is better to have more funds then less.
No. Not certainly.

Wow that chip must be huge!!!!!

As they increase the graphic appeal (Which is what they basically have been spending more money into, as a primary objective, and it seems more interesting to keep the hype than for effectiveness), more and more they decrease their ability to accelerate the pace of development and restrict their ability to deliver actual and meaningful value to the backers in an acceptable time frame considering the estimates shared, making the game, as a whole, getting stale, under the perception of more people.

Besides, some features that were supposed to come are ended removed due restrictions created, that mentioning once again, are visual appeals, not really meaningful gameplay additions. For example, the coop features of the campaign already was. Naturally, the multiplayer capacity of Star Citizen have been suffering and certainly can't be "better" in the perception of everyone if its more limited than initially hyped.

The flaw of your argument is that "better" depends in the end of the individual customer perspective. That's why a company never should increase a scope under the excuse of making something "better" and "faster" (CIG promised both and those who took them seriously, many of them, will end disappointed or are already). It's a false promise by default. It does not work for everyone involved and its unfair business practice. You don't need to wait for a release, to know that its a lie (logical fallacy).

it ironic how I agree with most of what you say. I just dont agree with the last part.

Creative projects can die to obscurity if they stay to strict to current scope. I have never been one to say that scope creep by its own definition is a bad thing

Roin · December 2015

GrumpyHobbit said:

nimander99 said:

GrumpyHobbit said:

OP are you going to play the game?

If you are then don't you welcome people with more money then you enabling SC to be a better game? I cannot think of any reason anyone who wants to play the game would object to the game have more development funds.

If you are not then why the obsession about it?

I see this or similar statements time and again on video game forums but I hate to break it to y'all but more money does not equal a better game by default...

True but it certainly is better to have more funds then less.
How about I rephrase the question...

If you are going to play the game why are you angry that others are investing in it?

If you are not then why the obsession with trying to ridicule every step the game takes?

From an outside observer this looks like Jealousy or a petty grudge.

I use to think that about his post. Now I'm not so sure. Every since MMORPG.com crossed over to their new system he's been going pretty hard. Then it hit me, it's all about getting that post count up and badges. I don't think he cares one way or the other about SC.

Herase · December 2015

Wizardry said:

GrumpyHobbit said:

OP are you going to play the game?

If you are then don't you welcome people with more money then you enabling SC to be a better game? I cannot think of any reason anyone who wants to play the game would object to the game have more development funds.

If you are not then why the obsession about it?

Why would you need MORE money since each goal has been met for development,is it to have an end of year baseball party with your team all drinks on the house?There are morals and a point to be made,this game will NEVER in another 20 years NEVER be worth thousands of dollars to play.It is not only people spending thousands RIGHT NOW,but they will likely be spending more down the road,maybe thousands more.This is called exploitation of some really dumb people.Now those that spent maybe 50 bucks,that is ok to some extent,but your not getting a game for 50 bucks like all other developers are giving you,your getting a promissory note of a game soon to come and it is not even a legal promissory note.

The game you are going to be playing is going to be an incredible farcry from the money Chris has already attained.
From day 1 i doubted mismanagement but after all this time,i have no doubt at all that he has wasted a lot of money and making ships to make more money is NOT getting the game better or done.

When i read that Escapist report i noticed an alarming trend with ALL of Chris's answers,he carefully worded and danced around the actual questions and just answered them so it sounded correct buy never answered the direct questions.

Example when those employees said it felt like they were never working on the game but instead was like making commercials for game shows he claimed "We haven't made a commercial in a year.Well yeah no shit Sherlock,the "commercial" statement was an anaology not a direct accusation of making commercials.Then of course he never actually answered the question about not working on the game and just making videos for the game shows.

Fair enough, but do we need another thread going over the same points for god knows how many times? Every thread is pretty much echoing the same exact thing with nothing new being added.

All I'm saying is everyone's made their points already, no point in making even more threads repeating it and just wait see how things develop.

Both sides.

MikeB · December 2015

Herase said:

Wizardry said:

GrumpyHobbit said:

OP are you going to play the game?

If you are then don't you welcome people with more money then you enabling SC to be a better game? I cannot think of any reason anyone who wants to play the game would object to the game have more development funds.

If you are not then why the obsession about it?

Why would you need MORE money since each goal has been met for development,is it to have an end of year baseball party with your team all drinks on the house?There are morals and a point to be made,this game will NEVER in another 20 years NEVER be worth thousands of dollars to play.It is not only people spending thousands RIGHT NOW,but they will likely be spending more down the road,maybe thousands more.This is called exploitation of some really dumb people.Now those that spent maybe 50 bucks,that is ok to some extent,but your not getting a game for 50 bucks like all other developers are giving you,your getting a promissory note of a game soon to come and it is not even a legal promissory note.

The game you are going to be playing is going to be an incredible farcry from the money Chris has already attained.
From day 1 i doubted mismanagement but after all this time,i have no doubt at all that he has wasted a lot of money and making ships to make more money is NOT getting the game better or done.

When i read that Escapist report i noticed an alarming trend with ALL of Chris's answers,he carefully worded and danced around the actual questions and just answered them so it sounded correct buy never answered the direct questions.

Example when those employees said it felt like they were never working on the game but instead was like making commercials for game shows he claimed "We haven't made a commercial in a year.Well yeah no shit Sherlock,the "commercial" statement was an anaology not a direct accusation of making commercials.Then of course he never actually answered the question about not working on the game and just making videos for the game shows.

Fair enough, but do we need another thread going over the same points for god knows how many times? Every thread is pretty much echoing the same exact thing with nothing new being added.

All I'm saying is everyone's made their points already, no point in making even more threads repeating it and just wait see how things develop.

Both sides.

No. We don't. Which is why I am locking this one.

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