alot of you people really need to get a freaking clue.....dont even attempt to understand what this kid was going through. if you think this kid killed himself because "he wanted attention" or "he is feeling sorry for himself" then you really have no idea wth you are talking about, honestly.
i love how some people think depression is a choice you make, like you freaking chose to be depressed. people that don't suffer from depression (or similar mental problems) don't understand this and never will.
i know because i suffer from depression, i have all my life......would i ever commit suicide? no way but i can certainly relate to people that do consider suicide.
I'm not saying this is real or fake, it might be fake for all i know with no link but......you people that think it is so easy to just say " suicide isn't the way, so just don't do it" it really isn't....depression isnt something you can switch on and off at will, its not something you can ignore...it is indeed a disease you have to live with day in and day out.
and without help from family,friends, doctors and sometimes medication...it can be fatal. but again do not pretend you know what this kid was going through, until you have suffered from depression you have no idea, plain and simple.
Originally posted by Hashman Fake. Few people who commit suicide leave notes of any kind, less than 10% I beleive. Also there has been 0 media coverage. Another thing, a friend of mine who's pretty smart and studied psychology says it doesnt read like a suicide note as the word "I" is used too often (19 times in fact). The kid has got problems alright, sending fake messages of this nature. My own theory is that he wanted to make his best friend who hacked him to feel so guilty that he takes his own life. No one find it odd that there is 0 media coverage and no response from his so called best friend?
This is a quality post here, everyone should read this and make up their minds.
Professor Hubert Farnsworth - That question is less stupid but, you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
Originally posted by Dis_Ordur Originally posted by angerr alot of you people really need to get a freaking clue.....dont even attempt to understand what this kid was going through. if you think this kid killed himself because "he wanted attention" or "he is feeling sorry for himself" then you really have no idea wth you are talking about, honestly. i love how some people think depression is a choice you make, like you freaking chose to be depressed. people that don't suffer from depression (or similar mental problems) don't understand this and never will. i know because i suffer from depression, i have all my life......would i ever commit suicide? no way but i can certainly relate to people that do consider suicide. I'm not saying this is real or fake, it might be fake for all i know with no link but......you people that think it is so easy to just say " suicide isn't the way, so just don't do it" it really isn't....depression isnt something you can switch on and off at will, its not something you can ignore...it is indeed a disease you have to live with day in and day out. and without help from family,friends, doctors and sometimes medication...it can be fatal. but again do not pretend you know what this kid was going through, until you have suffered from depression you have no idea, plain and simple. I think why a lot of people are jumping on this is because there are strong people and there are people like you, weak... Not trying to sound offensive here, but in my life, I have been to hell in back... Had a real rough upbrining by strict farm-raised parents, was beaten and prohibited from just about everything (even not being able to take my Oreos apart that is how strict) Figured out everything on my own, sex drugs, stealing and the law. Fought my way through HS, eventually graduated and graduated from college too. Was sent to jail in Colorado for 60 days for drug dealing, got off on charges completely due to time served, my luckiest break ever. Went to juvy hall more times than I care to remember. And was kicked out of 2 colleges and 1 high school. Have had guns pointed at me with the intent to use them. I lived, I got by and I never once contemplated suicide... You stuffy little arrogant internet twerps really crack me up, "Depression is soooo bad" BLAH BLAH BLAH.... Face it, if you are battling depression, yet have the luxury to sit in front of a computer in a developed country and actually are bitching about your horrible life, you are weak... You are weaker than the weakest villager in Africa who deals with a physical disability yet manages to hunt his/her food every night... You are weaker than the 10 year old boy who sits in front of a sewing machine all day in China... You are weaker than the 11 year old girl who is a sactioned "Sex Worker" in India... You are weaker than the 14 year old South American who tirelessly works in a cocoa field and gets paid yearly what your internet costs in a month... While some of the responses to this suicide were harsh, even a little too harsh at times, don't come to me with your psycho-babble about how depression is simply too exclusive for me to understand... I have been depressed, I have been in the shittiest of situation, but you don't hear me bitching about it... You don't see me popping pills to cope... Obviously, if you just come right out and say you are weaker than me, then we can just leave it at that... But no, I sense this isn't what you are tying to say, hence my drawn out diatribe...
thank you for proving my point....and thanks for the personal insults and attacks, i don't even know what els to say really....i never once bitched about anything, i just simply stated that i can relate to people with depression and obviously you cant.
at the same time it is obvious to me you have other issues and mental problems that you need to work out. are you proud of all the things you "claim" you went through in your life?
are you proud of being a drug dealer and a felon? it sure looks that way to me. but I'm sure you will reply with another mindless insult or personal attack so don't even bother because i will not read it nor will i care.
Originally posted by Rufius Originally posted by Hashman Fake. Few people who commit suicide leave notes of any kind, less than 10% I beleive. Also there has been 0 media coverage. Another thing, a friend of mine who's pretty smart and studied psychology says it doesnt read like a suicide note as the word "I" is used too often (19 times in fact). The kid has got problems alright, sending fake messages of this nature. My own theory is that he wanted to make his best friend who hacked him to feel so guilty that he takes his own life. No one find it odd that there is 0 media coverage and no response from his so called best friend?
This is a quality post here, everyone should read this and make up their minds.
you obviously didnt read allot of this thread, me and some other guy sed that this was all over the news, once again, does actualy someone really believe that the news in holland will lie to the 16million people who live in holland? (i dont care who reads the news or not).
oh, and this topic has been viewed for over 1600 times now... if you just opened this thread for the first time i suggest you read the entire thread before you post....
thank you for proving my point....and thanks for the personal insults and attacks, i don't even know what els to say really....i never once bitched about anything, i just simply stated that i can relate to people with depression and obviously you cant.
at the same time it is obvious to me you have other issues and mental problems that you need to work out. are you proud of all the things you "claim" you went through in your life?
are you proud of being a drug dealer and a felon? it sure looks that way to me. but I'm sure you will reply with another mindless insult or personal attack so don't even bother because i will not read it nor will i care.
...lol, I suppose if I was publicly proclaimed a weakling I would back off a tad too... What's the matter? You can't stand to debate me on this?
You see, I am NOT a felon, almost was, hence why I called it my "luckiest" moment... Reading, as well as life in general, just isn't your strong suit...
Besides, I would rather be a felon than some sniveling internet dweller that uses a forum board as his cry for help... I deal with my issues and don't blame my state of mind on some abstract disease or disfunction to make myself feel better about it...
Originally posted by Dis_Ordur Originally posted by angerr thank you for proving my point....and thanks for the personal insults and attacks, i don't even know what els to say really....i never once bitched about anything, i just simply stated that i can relate to people with depression and obviously you cant. at the same time it is obvious to me you have other issues and mental problems that you need to work out. are you proud of all the things you "claim" you went through in your life? are you proud of being a drug dealer and a felon? it sure looks that way to me. but I'm sure you will reply with another mindless insult or personal attack so don't even bother because i will not read it nor will i care....lol, I suppose if I was publicly proclaimed a weakling I would back off a tad too... What's the matter? You can't stand to debate me on this? You see, I am NOT a felon, almost was, hence why I called it my "luckiest" moment... Reading, as well as life in general, just isn't your strong suit... Besides, I would rather be a felon than some sniveling internet dweller that uses a forum board as his cry for help... I deal with my issues and don't blame my state of mind on some abstract disease or disfunction to make myself feel better about it...
so you think because you insult me on the INTERNET that is publicly proclaiming me a weakling??? i am not backing down, just because i don't want to resort to name calling on a freaking message board doesn't mean I'm backing down.
and you call me weak? good job you are a real tuff guy...you can hide behind your computer talking shit on a message board....i guarantee you would not say that to my face....
so going on your ill witted logic anybody that suffers from a mental disorder is weaker than you?? that makes alot of sence..... i never complained one freaking second about depression but yet you put words in my mouth and say i did....
you say i don't read but obviously you didn't read my post or just got so offended that someone might have a different opinion than you that you felt the need to resort to personal attacks, truly pathetic....
Originally posted by angerr alot of you people really need to get a freaking clue.....dont even attempt to understand what this kid was going through. if you think this kid killed himself because "he wanted attention" or "he is feeling sorry for himself" then you really have no idea wth you are talking about, honestly. i love how some people think depression is a choice you make, like you freaking chose to be depressed. people that don't suffer from depression (or similar mental problems) don't understand this and never will. i know because i suffer from depression, i have all my life......would i ever commit suicide? no way but i can certainly relate to people that do consider suicide. I'm not saying this is real or fake, it might be fake for all i know with no link but......you people that think it is so easy to just say " suicide isn't the way, so just don't do it" it really isn't....depression isnt something you can switch on and off at will, its not something you can ignore...it is indeed a disease you have to live with day in and day out. and without help from family,friends, doctors and sometimes medication...it can be fatal. but again do not pretend you know what this kid was going through, until you have suffered from depression you have no idea, plain and simple.
I think why a lot of people are jumping on this is because there are strong people and there are people like you, weak... Not trying to sound offensive here, but in my life, I have been to hell in back... Had a real rough upbrining by strict farm-raised parents, was beaten and prohibited from just about everything (even not being able to take my Oreos apart that is how strict) Figured out everything on my own, sex drugs, stealing and the law. Fought my way through HS, eventually graduated and graduated from college too. Was sent to jail in Colorado for 60 days for drug dealing, got off on charges completely due to time served, my luckiest break ever. Went to juvy hall more times than I care to remember. And was kicked out of 2 colleges and 1 high school. Have had guns pointed at me with the intent to use them. I lived, I got by and I never once contemplated suicide... You stuffy little arrogant internet twerps really crack me up, "Depression is soooo bad" BLAH BLAH BLAH.... Face it, if you are battling depression, yet have the luxury to sit in front of a computer in a developed country and actually are bitching about your horrible life, you are weak... You are weaker than the weakest villager in Africa who deals with a physical disability yet manages to hunt his/her food every night... You are weaker than the 10 year old boy who sits in front of a sewing machine all day in China... You are weaker than the 11 year old girl who is a sactioned "Sex Worker" in India... You are weaker than the 14 year old South American who tirelessly works in a cocoa field and gets paid yearly what your internet costs in a month... While some of the responses to this suicide were harsh, even a little too harsh at times, don't come to me with your psycho-babble about how depression is simply too exclusive for me to understand... I have been depressed, I have been in the shittiest of situation, but you don't hear me bitching about it... You don't see me popping pills to cope... Obviously, if you just come right out and say you are weaker than me, then we can just leave it at that... But no, I sense this isn't what you are tying to say, hence my drawn out diatribe...
Well said, my friend. Wanna become part of the Anti-Emo Club? (^_^)
Originally posted by Razorback Anofayle hits the nail clean on the head.... Its symptomatic of a society of young people who just dont have a clue what genuine hardship is. When I travelled in Asia I came back to my job teaching IT at a high school and found I could no longer relate in any meaningful way to the so called "needs" of the students I was teaching. The reason being, that I had just spent 6 months watching people in "genuine" hardship situations who not only shut up and got on with it, but were generally happy for a lot more of their time than most of the Australian teenagers I knew. Whilst I saw kids on the streets in Bangkok touting for shoeshines so thier crippled single mom would eat that night, I came home to teenage girls crying and threatening to harm themselves if their folks didnt get them a new cellphone with a 3mp camera. I came to the conclusion that all kids at about 13-15 y/o should be taken to a 3rd world country for a 2 week study tour just to get some damn perspective in life. Not necessarily to live in squalor or anything, but just to see people who do and get a handle on what life is like for people far less fortunate than ourselves. This kid is nothing more than a product of our western decadance that trivialises and makes entertainment from death and murder (CSI etc etc etc) and glorifies the most meaningless crappola like fashion and movies. The fact that a qualified nurse or a middle ranking soldier in Australia earns $40-$50K per year while some braindead TV actor or neckless football player earns 2 milly is a glaring example of how desperately broken our societies are. I feel sorry for him, that he wont ever get to see the things in life that may have helped him to understand how cosmically insignificant both he and his problems are and from that learn to live more and want less. Very Sad....
Damn you took the words out of my mouth, and re-arranged them in a proper well-stated paragraph.
I believe most suicides in North America are from kids being too spoiled. I often read excerpts from one of the oldest asian philosophers (after Confusious) Lao-Tzu. He believe that the world must be balanced with good and bad. Too much good in your life is not right 'cause hey, where have you got to go from good? Only downhill. Why do you think celebrities lose their temper over the slightest problem when they have everything they could possibly want.
Example; Let's say you walk up to a business man making 100k a year and hand him a load of bread. He would probably laugh in your face. Now give that same loaf of bread to a family in South Africa, and you may notice a different re-action than the business man.
The idea is to get somewhere in the middle. This is exactly why retired people ages 60-70 usually develop depression as well. Doing nothing all day isn't very good balance at all.
Oh by the way, whoever got a quad-post on the first page.... F***ing PRO! That will go down in mmorpg.com history.
Hey wow, thanks for wasting two minutes of my life with your boring life's story. Would you like a bone or something for being so street? Yes, it makes all the sense of the world to go around calling everyone with a depressional disease weaker than you are --and therefore weaker than the 10 year old, the 11 year old, or the 14 year old you mentioned.
If you really have felt your down time, felt those depressing times.. There's a difference between knowing what depression is and feeling it all the time. For just a second imagine feeling depressed all the time, throughout your whole life. Even when you try your harest to have a good time and force smiles and laughs in. Could you cope with that? --wait, dumb question. I already know what kind of arrogent response you'd conjure up.
Oh, so because you have money and are living in a "developed country" (wait, this makes all those other countries "undeveloped" right?), you're just totally wrong to feel any depression? Do you realize how many people there have been in the past who have had all the money in the world, lived in the best of their times and come down with depression? I guess not.
I couldnt help notice how many times you used "I" in your post. Hey, sorry to inform you but we really honestly don't care what you have been through. We don't give a monkey's ass about you or your boring Tupac-knock-off stories.
And stop trying to continue a senseless fight. Quit being a jerk/ass/f*cker/c*ck/c*nt. The reason why he didn't wanna continue the "debate" with you wasn't because he was afraid or backing down. It's something called being mature..... you f*cking egotistical retard.
Wow. Who would've thought I'd have so much to say about/to a loser.
your dad helped you write that? (maybe you dont even have a dad but hey like you say: "who cares" o.0). where did he say all the other country's are undeveloped? if you dont care about other people, why are you here? this post is all about a 14 year old boy who commited suicide because he felt bad and according to him 'hes life wasn't good' i can understand that, but i will never kill myself, unless im surrounded by 2 million people who want to kill me. do you actualy know how hes life was like? you obviously don't. i dont see your point, he was allowed to tell about hes life, why not? do you hate everyone or something? maybe your life is even worse, but hey, like you said: "i dont care". i want to help the people who have it worse then me, but i dont ignore the people who have it better then me but still feal depressed, unless they ignore me.
Originally posted by hartam Originally posted by Razorback Anofayle hits the nail clean on the head.... Its symptomatic of a society of young people who just dont have a clue what genuine hardship is. When I travelled in Asia I came back to my job teaching IT at a high school and found I could no longer relate in any meaningful way to the so called "needs" of the students I was teaching. The reason being, that I had just spent 6 months watching people in "genuine" hardship situations who not only shut up and got on with it, but were generally happy for a lot more of their time than most of the Australian teenagers I knew. Whilst I saw kids on the streets in Bangkok touting for shoeshines so thier crippled single mom would eat that night, I came home to teenage girls crying and threatening to harm themselves if their folks didnt get them a new cellphone with a 3mp camera. I came to the conclusion that all kids at about 13-15 y/o should be taken to a 3rd world country for a 2 week study tour just to get some damn perspective in life. Not necessarily to live in squalor or anything, but just to see people who do and get a handle on what life is like for people far less fortunate than ourselves. This kid is nothing more than a product of our western decadance that trivialises and makes entertainment from death and murder (CSI etc etc etc) and glorifies the most meaningless crappola like fashion and movies. The fact that a qualified nurse or a middle ranking soldier in Australia earns $40-$50K per year while some braindead TV actor or neckless football player earns 2 milly is a glaring example of how desperately broken our societies are. I feel sorry for him, that he wont ever get to see the things in life that may have helped him to understand how cosmically insignificant both he and his problems are and from that learn to live more and want less. Very Sad....
Damn you took the words out of my mouth, and re-arranged them in a proper well-stated paragraph.
I believe most suicides in North America are from kids being too spoiled. I often read excerpts from one of the oldest asian philosophers (after Confusious) Lao-Tzu. He believe that the world must be balanced with good and bad. Too much good in your life is not right 'cause hey, where have you got to go from good? Only downhill. Why do you think celebrities lose their temper over the slightest problem when they have everything they could possibly want.
Example; Let's say you walk up to a business man making 100k a year and hand him a load of bread. He would probably laugh in your face. Now give that same loaf of bread to a family in South Africa, and you may notice a different re-action than the business man.
The idea is to get somewhere in the middle. This is exactly why retired people ages 60-70 usually develop depression as well. Doing nothing all day isn't very good balance at all.
Oh by the way, whoever got a quad-post on the first page.... F***ing PRO! That will go down in mmorpg.com history.
And that is precisely it hartam, value. It's not a question of weakness or strength, but rather what we value. This 14 year old boy in Holland was raised to value different things than a, say, 14 year old boy in Iraq or Saudi Arabia. This boy felt that everything of value had been taken away from him, and felt that the things that he lost had more value then life itself.. thus he lost the will desire or passion to live. This does not necessarily make him weak or strong, but rather human. It is natural for a human to want to pass on when they feel there is nothing left for them; imagine if everything you cherished most(both material and non material) was taken from you .. would you have the will to continue? Even brave men will commit suicide in this condition if they feel that they cannot replace the things they cherish most, or that there life holds little or no value to them. The debate here rests soley in the ideology of what we all cherish.
The old proverb "one mans trash is another mans treasure" holds true in this sense. Most of you see the things that this boy valued most as trivial and thus conclude that it was a meaningless sacrifice. While he may have had a lesser scope on life does that make him any less of a person? A death is a death and will always be mourned by someone, to cheapen their memory with insults is a horrible injustice. It could be argued that people with worse living conditions (such as 3rd world countries) have a larger scope on life simply because they have to fight to survive every day. But at the same time we look in amazement at the small things that make them happy, so in turn there are trivial things that make them sad. Suppose that a group of kids in a small village obtained a soccer ball via donations, and played with it so much that it deflated. Now, we would look at this as a very petty situation as we could simply inflate the ball back up, but to them it is a big loss since they have no air pump and they treasured this ball as a gift. Just because it is trivial to us, does that demerit their sadness?
As for depression, it is a bonefied medical disease. Chronic Depression is caused by chemical imbalances in the brain and can lead to physical aches and pains. It is common in teenagers because they go through so many hormonal stages that sometimes a balance is thrown off. I was chronically depressed for a few years of my life (age 11-13). When I was close to age 13 I tried to strangle myself with a phone cord, because I was compelled to. I would feel several periods of darkness within and the smallest things (such as losing at a videogame, or being grounded/sent to bed early) would have big effects on me.. because at that time in my life watching tv and playing games were things I valued greatly. This lead to self esteem issues which effected me greatly, and so I learned to value material objects more than people (since I was not confident enough to make friends). I had genuine sadness just as this boy had, and while I look back at it now and laugh... back then it was the world to me.
What I have learned through the years is just to "let go". Its so easy in todays society to get wrapped up in all the new technologies, the entertainment, the gaming (I know I've been going crazy from time to time over an mmo, and single player games as well) that we adjust our values to material wealth.. and that is what causes the most depression of all. As I was preparing to enter highschool, I began to look "outside" the box into the world itself. I broadened my scope and I began to not grasp so tightly the material but rather the essence of living, obtaining knowledge of the world, and testing the limits of my physical self. I found that enriching myself both mentally and physically greatly increased my perception of life, and I found that even if the things I valued most were lost.. that I should continue on if only for the less fortunate.
Lastly, about the "Emo" trend.. its very unsetteling to see people labeling others because of a certain music trend they listen to or the feelings they have. All music has emotion (aka emo) behind it, whether it be sadness, anger, hope, joy etc. so to lable a genre of music as "emo" is contradictary in and of itself. A song is like a poem, and while they may not have the most original lyrics or meaning to them.. it doesnt lessen any feeling that the song is trying to convey (lest the singer be faking themseleves for money, of course). People will often listen to music that relates to their life, they feel a certain mantra in the song and it comforts them that others can relate to their situation. To redicule one person because they listen to songs that convey a sad or depressed feeling is like rediculing people who listen to songs that get them excited and energized (say dance music) or people who listen to songs that relax and sooth them (say classical, or jazz).
To close, I'd like to say a human is a human no matter how mislead we feel they may be; and while most of you will bring up some mass murders name and ask me how I can view them as human, I will say regretfully to you that while their values are extremely skewed (in my opinion) they are still values, and for that they have genuine emotion (cruel as it may be). To disregard ones sadness because of their values is a cruel path to choose, but in some cases neccessary (such as non law abiding citizens). But I ask of you if not to mourn then respect Marteen's genuine sadness, and hope for him a better afterlife.
-Shojin
Just on the border of your waking mind There lies another time Where darkness and light are one, And as you tread the halls of sanity, You feel so glad to be unable to go beyond. I have a message from another time...
Shojin, I applaud you (No sarcasm intended). Very well written and well thought out post.
Now to wait for that person to come reply on here again with more of his drug stealing stories and how everyone who's depressed is just so much more inferior and weaker than he is ;]
Damn, that was so right on the money. So there it's unbelievable. You would have saved that and saved it, that is what every whiny teenager should read. I was so moved because it's totally true. But you don't have to go as far as Asia there are plenty of places in the United States or any major country where slums are located. I hate to say it but its true. I grew up around it, I'm no proud of it but it has made me a better man.
Good parents, plenty of ass whoopings, a visit to a slum, and church would set any hard headed kid in line. If you don't go to church the first three will work.
________________________________ I must not fear, fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that leads to obliteration, I must permit fear to pass over me and through me. ________________________________
Thankyou for your generous comments everyone, its a sad fact that there are run down and neglected places in one of the richest countries in the world (one of the biggest defeciets as well). If only every actor athlete and musician sacrificed a portion of their movie revenue, sports ticket/merchandise sales and concert sales... our situation would greatly improve. However, we would get into freedom issues and the actors, athletes and musicians would start screaming "communism". Americans pay so much for entertainment these days, more so then their essential needs which is why peope in the entertainment buisness are making 5.6 million dollars a year. Its a shame that most of them are so attached to that material that they dont think about helping people, in our own country none the less. Its a shame that our society is built on instant gratification and material wealth, however I commend the people both in entertainment and other fields that are donating every day.
Maybe some day in the future we will be more willing to help eachother.
@Ken Shien: I have many friends who have grown up in less then desireable conditions, and seemed to have alot deeper problems then I did.. it really open your eyes to how good your life is. Making a diversity of friends is something I suggest to everyone, you'll learn alot. I commend you for making it through the hard times. Keep on keep'n on, heh.
-Shojin
Just on the border of your waking mind There lies another time Where darkness and light are one, And as you tread the halls of sanity, You feel so glad to be unable to go beyond. I have a message from another time...
Alex you are posting anything that is a news source one that is credible and reputable. First I saw it in blogs everywhere, online blogs are chock full of suicide notes and, junk people now have beaten that path to no end. If you use the internet remember this one rule.
User discretion is advise.
Professor Hubert Farnsworth - That question is less stupid but, you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
Originally posted by Rufius Alex you are posting anything that is a news source one that is credible and reputable. First I saw it in blogs everywhere, online blogs are chock full of suicide notes and, junk people now have beaten that path to no end. If you use the internet remember this one rule. User discretion is advise.
i don't really understand you, do you mean i shouldnt have posted this?
I'm really a monkey typing on a keyboard, I'm not a person at all, I say that because I have proof of this..*links to site..that was created by someone that doesn't give out their name location, personel info but, alias*
You should start with evidence and, then if it develops into proof then you can say proof but, all you have is you're own evidence. You can't go ranting on and on about things without excepting responsibility for them without that, you might as well have never said anything at all.
That last post was a bit too deep, it happens when I read too much and am overloaded with thoughts I try to condense my responses as short as possible cause the average member has a limited attention span.
Remember..
User discretion advised.
Professor Hubert Farnsworth - That question is less stupid but, you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
Originally posted by Rufius I'm really a monkey typing on a keyboard, I'm not a person at all, I say that because I have proof of this..*links to site..that was created by someone that doesn't give out their name location, personel info but, alias*You should start with evidence and, then if it develops into proof then you can say proof but, all you have is you're own evidence. You can't go ranting on and on about things without excepting responsibility for them without that, you might as well have never said anything at all.That last post was a bit too deep, it happens when I read too much and am overloaded with thoughts I try to condense my responses as short as possible cause the average member has a limited attention span.Remember.. User discretion advised.
*cough* *try's not to say it* * cough* *fails...*
why are you actualy here? to tell me what to do? if your only here to tell me what to do, leave now, if your hear to discuss what i know from idc what site then post something that makes sence or is atleast useful for the thread. so now your mad at me because i wrote 'proof'? well that makes sence , ok so i call it proof, how do you want me to call it?
Originally posted by Rufius I'm really a monkey typing on a keyboard, I'm not a person at all, I say that because I have proof of this..*links to site..that was created by someone that doesn't give out their name location, personel info but, alias*You should start with evidence and, then if it develops into proof then you can say proof but, all you have is you're own evidence. You can't go ranting on and on about things without excepting responsibility for them without that, you might as well have never said anything at all.That last post was a bit too deep, it happens when I read too much and am overloaded with thoughts I try to condense my responses as short as possible cause the average member has a limited attention span.Remember.. User discretion advised.
It really happened. There was a message about his death of this kid on his schools website. I also seen a newsitem about it on some news site aimed at people in the young twenties. However, its still 'just' a suicide, so thee wasn't any coverage on it on the bigger news sites and tv.
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alot of you people really need to get a freaking clue.....dont even attempt to understand what this kid was going through. if you think this kid killed himself because "he wanted attention" or "he is feeling sorry for himself" then you really have no idea wth you are talking about, honestly.
i love how some people think depression is a choice you make, like you freaking chose to be depressed. people that don't suffer from depression (or similar mental problems) don't understand this and never will.
i know because i suffer from depression, i have all my life......would i ever commit suicide? no way but i can certainly relate to people that do consider suicide.
I'm not saying this is real or fake, it might be fake for all i know with no link but......you people that think it is so easy to just say " suicide isn't the way, so just don't do it" it really isn't....depression isnt something you can switch on and off at will, its not something you can ignore...it is indeed a disease you have to live with day in and day out.
and without help from family,friends, doctors and sometimes medication...it can be fatal. but again do not pretend you know what this kid was going through, until you have suffered from depression you have no idea, plain and simple.
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
Professor Hubert Farnsworth - That question is less stupid but, you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
thank you for proving my point....and thanks for the personal insults and attacks, i don't even know what els to say really....i never once bitched about anything, i just simply stated that i can relate to people with depression and obviously you cant.
at the same time it is obvious to me you have other issues and mental problems that you need to work out. are you proud of all the things you "claim" you went through in your life?
are you proud of being a drug dealer and a felon? it sure looks that way to me. but I'm sure you will reply with another mindless insult or personal attack so don't even bother because i will not read it nor will i care.
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
you obviously didnt read allot of this thread, me and some other guy sed that this was all over the news, once again, does actualy someone really believe that the news in holland will lie to the 16million people who live in holland? (i dont care who reads the news or not).
~Alex007152~
oh, and this topic has been viewed for over 1600 times now... if you just opened this thread for the first time i suggest you read the entire thread before you post....
~Alex007152~
thank you for proving my point....and thanks for the personal insults and attacks, i don't even know what els to say really....i never once bitched about anything, i just simply stated that i can relate to people with depression and obviously you cant.
at the same time it is obvious to me you have other issues and mental problems that you need to work out. are you proud of all the things you "claim" you went through in your life?
are you proud of being a drug dealer and a felon? it sure looks that way to me. but I'm sure you will reply with another mindless insult or personal attack so don't even bother because i will not read it nor will i care.
...lol, I suppose if I was publicly proclaimed a weakling I would back off a tad too... What's the matter? You can't stand to debate me on this?
You see, I am NOT a felon, almost was, hence why I called it my "luckiest" moment... Reading, as well as life in general, just isn't your strong suit...
Besides, I would rather be a felon than some sniveling internet dweller that uses a forum board as his cry for help... I deal with my issues and don't blame my state of mind on some abstract disease or disfunction to make myself feel better about it...
so you think because you insult me on the INTERNET that is publicly proclaiming me a weakling??? i am not backing down, just because i don't want to resort to name calling on a freaking message board doesn't mean I'm backing down.
and you call me weak? good job you are a real tuff guy...you can hide behind your computer talking shit on a message board....i guarantee you would not say that to my face....
so going on your ill witted logic anybody that suffers from a mental disorder is weaker than you?? that makes alot of sence..... i never complained one freaking second about depression but yet you put words in my mouth and say i did....
you say i don't read but obviously you didn't read my post or just got so offended that someone might have a different opinion than you that you felt the need to resort to personal attacks, truly pathetic....
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
Well said, my friend. Wanna become part of the Anti-Emo Club? (^_^)
This siggy is CGI that my cousin made in 4 hours.
Damn you took the words out of my mouth, and re-arranged them in a proper well-stated paragraph.
I believe most suicides in North America are from kids being too spoiled. I often read excerpts from one of the oldest asian philosophers (after Confusious) Lao-Tzu. He believe that the world must be balanced with good and bad. Too much good in your life is not right 'cause hey, where have you got to go from good? Only downhill. Why do you think celebrities lose their temper over the slightest problem when they have everything they could possibly want.
Example; Let's say you walk up to a business man making 100k a year and hand him a load of bread. He would probably laugh in your face. Now give that same loaf of bread to a family in South Africa, and you may notice a different re-action than the business man.
The idea is to get somewhere in the middle. This is exactly why retired people ages 60-70 usually develop depression as well. Doing nothing all day isn't very good balance at all.
Oh by the way, whoever got a quad-post on the first page.... F***ing PRO! That will go down in mmorpg.com history.
your dad helped you write that? (maybe you dont even have a dad but hey like you say: "who cares" o.0). where did he say all the other country's are undeveloped? if you dont care about other people, why are you here? this post is all about a 14 year old boy who commited suicide because he felt bad and according to him 'hes life wasn't good' i can understand that, but i will never kill myself, unless im surrounded by 2 million people who want to kill me.
do you actualy know how hes life was like? you obviously don't.
i dont see your point, he was allowed to tell about hes life, why not? do you hate everyone or something?
maybe your life is even worse, but hey, like you said: "i dont care".
i want to help the people who have it worse then me, but i dont ignore the people who have it better then me but still feal depressed, unless they ignore me.
you should really think again.
~Alex007152~
Damn you took the words out of my mouth, and re-arranged them in a proper well-stated paragraph.
I believe most suicides in North America are from kids being too spoiled. I often read excerpts from one of the oldest asian philosophers (after Confusious) Lao-Tzu. He believe that the world must be balanced with good and bad. Too much good in your life is not right 'cause hey, where have you got to go from good? Only downhill. Why do you think celebrities lose their temper over the slightest problem when they have everything they could possibly want.
Example; Let's say you walk up to a business man making 100k a year and hand him a load of bread. He would probably laugh in your face. Now give that same loaf of bread to a family in South Africa, and you may notice a different re-action than the business man.
The idea is to get somewhere in the middle. This is exactly why retired people ages 60-70 usually develop depression as well. Doing nothing all day isn't very good balance at all.
Oh by the way, whoever got a quad-post on the first page.... F***ing PRO! That will go down in mmorpg.com history.
And that is precisely it hartam, value. It's not a question of weakness or strength, but rather what we value. This 14 year old boy in Holland was raised to value different things than a, say, 14 year old boy in Iraq or Saudi Arabia. This boy felt that everything of value had been taken away from him, and felt that the things that he lost had more value then life itself.. thus he lost the will desire or passion to live. This does not necessarily make him weak or strong, but rather human. It is natural for a human to want to pass on when they feel there is nothing left for them; imagine if everything you cherished most(both material and non material) was taken from you .. would you have the will to continue? Even brave men will commit suicide in this condition if they feel that they cannot replace the things they cherish most, or that there life holds little or no value to them. The debate here rests soley in the ideology of what we all cherish.
The old proverb "one mans trash is another mans treasure" holds true in this sense. Most of you see the things that this boy valued most as trivial and thus conclude that it was a meaningless sacrifice. While he may have had a lesser scope on life does that make him any less of a person? A death is a death and will always be mourned by someone, to cheapen their memory with insults is a horrible injustice. It could be argued that people with worse living conditions (such as 3rd world countries) have a larger scope on life simply because they have to fight to survive every day. But at the same time we look in amazement at the small things that make them happy, so in turn there are trivial things that make them sad. Suppose that a group of kids in a small village obtained a soccer ball via donations, and played with it so much that it deflated. Now, we would look at this as a very petty situation as we could simply inflate the ball back up, but to them it is a big loss since they have no air pump and they treasured this ball as a gift. Just because it is trivial to us, does that demerit their sadness?
As for depression, it is a bonefied medical disease. Chronic Depression is caused by chemical imbalances in the brain and can lead to physical aches and pains. It is common in teenagers because they go through so many hormonal stages that sometimes a balance is thrown off. I was chronically depressed for a few years of my life (age 11-13). When I was close to age 13 I tried to strangle myself with a phone cord, because I was compelled to. I would feel several periods of darkness within and the smallest things (such as losing at a videogame, or being grounded/sent to bed early) would have big effects on me.. because at that time in my life watching tv and playing games were things I valued greatly. This lead to self esteem issues which effected me greatly, and so I learned to value material objects more than people (since I was not confident enough to make friends). I had genuine sadness just as this boy had, and while I look back at it now and laugh... back then it was the world to me.
What I have learned through the years is just to "let go". Its so easy in todays society to get wrapped up in all the new technologies, the entertainment, the gaming (I know I've been going crazy from time to time over an mmo, and single player games as well) that we adjust our values to material wealth.. and that is what causes the most depression of all. As I was preparing to enter highschool, I began to look "outside" the box into the world itself. I broadened my scope and I began to not grasp so tightly the material but rather the essence of living, obtaining knowledge of the world, and testing the limits of my physical self. I found that enriching myself both mentally and physically greatly increased my perception of life, and I found that even if the things I valued most were lost.. that I should continue on if only for the less fortunate.
Lastly, about the "Emo" trend.. its very unsetteling to see people labeling others because of a certain music trend they listen to or the feelings they have. All music has emotion (aka emo) behind it, whether it be sadness, anger, hope, joy etc. so to lable a genre of music as "emo" is contradictary in and of itself. A song is like a poem, and while they may not have the most original lyrics or meaning to them.. it doesnt lessen any feeling that the song is trying to convey (lest the singer be faking themseleves for money, of course). People will often listen to music that relates to their life, they feel a certain mantra in the song and it comforts them that others can relate to their situation. To redicule one person because they listen to songs that convey a sad or depressed feeling is like rediculing people who listen to songs that get them excited and energized (say dance music) or people who listen to songs that relax and sooth them (say classical, or jazz).
To close, I'd like to say a human is a human no matter how mislead we feel they may be; and while most of you will bring up some mass murders name and ask me how I can view them as human, I will say regretfully to you that while their values are extremely skewed (in my opinion) they are still values, and for that they have genuine emotion (cruel as it may be). To disregard ones sadness because of their values is a cruel path to choose, but in some cases neccessary (such as non law abiding citizens). But I ask of you if not to mourn then respect Marteen's genuine sadness, and hope for him a better afterlife.
-Shojin
Just on the border of your waking mind
There lies another time
Where darkness and light are one,
And as you tread the halls of sanity,
You feel so glad to be unable to go beyond.
I have a message from another time...
Axis Eleven
Shojin, I applaud you (No sarcasm intended). Very well written and well thought out post.
Now to wait for that person to come reply on here again with more of his drug stealing stories and how everyone who's depressed is just so much more inferior and weaker than he is ;]
Shojin... That was beautiful...
Damn, that was so right on the money. So there it's unbelievable. You would have saved that and saved it, that is what every whiny teenager should read. I was so moved because it's totally true. But you don't have to go as far as Asia there are plenty of places in the United States or any major country where slums are located. I hate to say it but its true. I grew up around it, I'm no proud of it but it has made me a better man.
Good parents, plenty of ass whoopings, a visit to a slum, and church would set any hard headed kid in line. If you don't go to church the first three will work.
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I must not fear, fear is the mind killer.
Fear is the little death that leads to obliteration, I must permit fear to pass over me and through me.
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http://www.fragland.be/news.php?id=13354
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I'd still need a dutch news website to be 100% convinced it's genuine.
thanks Hashman. Theres enough proof now. it was even on the news, so i supose it really happened.
~Alex007152~
i found yet more proof now: http://images.fok.nl/upload/060228_50242_afscheidsbriefgamerbunnik.jpg
i posted this in a forum i registered too (with the same name afcourse...
) and there are more interesting posts out there, heres the link: http://www.xfire.com/xf/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=56753
~Alex007152~
Thankyou for your generous comments everyone, its a sad fact that there are run down and neglected places in one of the richest countries in the world (one of the biggest defeciets as well). If only every actor athlete and musician sacrificed a portion of their movie revenue, sports ticket/merchandise sales and concert sales... our situation would greatly improve. However, we would get into freedom issues and the actors, athletes and musicians would start screaming "communism". Americans pay so much for entertainment these days, more so then their essential needs which is why peope in the entertainment buisness are making 5.6 million dollars a year. Its a shame that most of them are so attached to that material that they dont think about helping people, in our own country none the less. Its a shame that our society is built on instant gratification and material wealth, however I commend the people both in entertainment and other fields that are donating every day.
Maybe some day in the future we will be more willing to help eachother.
@Ken Shien: I have many friends who have grown up in less then desireable conditions, and seemed to have alot deeper problems then I did.. it really open your eyes to how good your life is. Making a diversity of friends is something I suggest to everyone, you'll learn alot. I commend you for making it through the hard times. Keep on keep'n on, heh.
-Shojin
Just on the border of your waking mind
There lies another time
Where darkness and light are one,
And as you tread the halls of sanity,
You feel so glad to be unable to go beyond.
I have a message from another time...
Axis Eleven
Alex you are posting anything that is a news source one that is credible and reputable. First I saw it in blogs everywhere, online blogs are chock full of suicide notes and, junk people now have beaten that path to no end. If you use the internet remember this one rule.
User discretion is advise.
Professor Hubert Farnsworth - That question is less stupid but, you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
i don't really understand you, do you mean i shouldnt have posted this?
~Alex007152~
I'm really a monkey typing on a keyboard, I'm not a person at all, I say that because I have proof of this..*links to site..that was created by someone that doesn't give out their name location, personel info but, alias*
You should start with evidence and, then if it develops into proof then you can say proof but, all you have is you're own evidence. You can't go ranting on and on about things without excepting responsibility for them without that, you might as well have never said anything at all.
That last post was a bit too deep, it happens when I read too much and am overloaded with thoughts I try to condense my responses as short as possible cause the average member has a limited attention span.
Remember..
User discretion advised.
Professor Hubert Farnsworth - That question is less stupid but, you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
*cough* *try's not to say it* * cough*
*fails...*
why are you actualy here? to tell me what to do? if your only here to tell me what to do, leave now, if your hear to discuss what i know from idc what site then post something that makes sence or is atleast useful for the thread. so now your mad at me because i wrote 'proof'? well that makes sence
, ok so i call it proof, how do you want me to call it?
~Alex007152~
It really happened. There was a message about his death of this kid on his schools website. I also seen a newsitem about it on some news site aimed at people in the young twenties.
However, its still 'just' a suicide, so thee wasn't any coverage on it on the bigger news sites and tv.