I had a great time playing Order & Chaos online on my phone. The dungeons were nice and quick with one mechanic bosses, the classes were fun, and questing was genuinely (even surprisingly) well written. I was really disappointed Order & Chaos 2 was so different, the first game was a lot of fun.
It had: In game voice chat Mail Auction House "Black Market" where players could bid in game currency on items that usually cost gems Good questing Guilds Great dungeons, including heroic mode dungeons Healers, tanks, crowd control Mount collecting, usually rare spawns in PvP areas Tons of seasonal events Talent trees World bosses
These days our PC games don't even have all these things - it seems devs cut corners on everything. This little phone game was a better experience than a lot of other games I recently played, and it was free (monetized for experience boosts, cosmetics, and to reset your daily heroic dungeon limit of 3).
I was really really impressed by it. I'd say that if Gameloft really wanted to, they could make a phone MMO that was better than the current PC offerings. That may say more about the state of PC gaming than Gameloft, though.
Edit: This very site reviewed it, though they were not big fans because it is such a WoW ripoff. http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/580/view/reviews/load/172 The good thing to take away from that, though is that it is a VANILLA WoW ripoff. I still would play this over current WoW (and I did until I saw everything there was to see).
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
Serious question to those playing mmoRPGs on their mobiles: Which mmoRPGs are you playing or have seen and think are good?
Order & Chaos Online is worth a play. The dungeons were short enough that I could do them in 15 mins including dungeon finder queue time on a healer, which is perfect for a break. The quests were well written, mount collecting was fun, and I was constantly impressed by how it was a full featured MMORPG.
I am talking about the first one, the second is way more of an ARPG that just happens to have other people running around.
I do not see one itota of evidence or even a hunch that phones will entice mmorpg sales.If anything people already just buy tons of nonsense because it is like they buying stuff for their phone even if they do not need it. I actually shake my head when i see people walking around gabbing on their phone with what seems like 24/7.it is like Lioness and his blanket.
IMO the first real big bang for a money mmorpg will be when FFXI remake is done for the phone and that might be in 2016.although if it is will be crap because 2 years is not long enough to put into a triple a game and they said it would be maybe better than ffxi right now.Personally,i won't be buying any phone or FFXI on phone,so yeah it does nothing for me the entire phone gimmick business.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Mobile gaming, realistically, is not going to be moving into the MMO genre, you only have to look at the 'market' to see why not, as even from a financial perspective, other types of games are more profitable, game of war is probably the best example of P2W gaming, its excessively pay to win, beyond anything comparable on PC, and here i am including games like Entropia Universe, its literally a wallet warriors wet dream. The following are links to websites showing top selling/profitable games on mobile currently;
But there is a problem with the mobile platform, huge one, even beyond the whole control interface issues, and that is the power source, and of course, heat. And for those who keep smart phones in their pockets, and are only worried about accidentally damaging them, thats perhaps not the thing you should really be worrying about
and here i have to thank thunderfoot for his scientific expertise, its worth watching his youtube vids just for the things he often demonstrates. Must admit if i hadn't seen that, i wouldn't have believed it was even possible!
I journeyed from 14 inch (I think(it was 30 years ago)) monitors to two wide 21 inch monitors, thinking aobut the third. Why on fucking earth would I want to de-evolve my playing experience by playing on a smartphone... Not even touching the peripherals... I cant play without having at least 20+ key binds...
Mobile gaming, realistically, is not going to be moving into the MMO genre, you only have to look at the 'market' to see why not, as even from a financial perspective, other types of games are more profitable, game of war is probably the best example of P2W gaming, its excessively pay to win, beyond anything comparable on PC, and here i am including games like Entropia Universe, its literally a wallet warriors wet dream. The following are links to websites showing top selling/profitable games on mobile currently;
But there is a problem with the mobile platform, huge one, even beyond the whole control interface issues, and that is the power source, and of course, heat. And for those who keep smart phones in their pockets, and are only worried about accidentally damaging them, thats perhaps not the thing you should really be worrying about
and here i have to thank thunderfoot for his scientific expertise, its worth watching his youtube vids just for the things he often demonstrates. Must admit if i hadn't seen that, i wouldn't have believed it was even possible!
But that even more than normal 'pay to win' model is on its way to us, its does not matter about what its being played on or what genre it is.
Executive's in gaming companies keep an eye out for what the market can get away with, what they can bring to their games. So not now on the MMO you are playing, but next year maybe yes.
What I find most amazing is the lack of actually decent games on mobile, they're there for sure, but the amount of horseshite that people play and pay for is insane.
For me that means an opportunity for companies who are actually interested in delivering a decent product more than ripping off consumers.
It's amazing to me that a company like Nintendo hasn't started putting their best products on mobile platforms. Even if it's their older games adapted for it, which is clearly possible given that third party emulators already exist.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
Serious question to those playing mmoRPGs on their mobiles: Which mmoRPGs are you playing or have seen and think are good?
Vendetta Online
Here is a screenshot; something you may see while on mobile:
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
Is it playable if you got 20 specials to use on such a small device? Or do you have 1-2 specials? Then people will ditch it as being "too boring" as you're only spamming 1-2.
And playable screen size without UI? 3"?
Voice Commands?
Most Voice programs are regarded as 3rd party and you can be banned for it, depending on the game. (For example VoiceAttack can be reason to perma ban you in some MMO's, for example EVE Online. They do not like it and depending on the mood of a moderator of the game they can give you a (perma)ban)
And current OS integrated voice programs are definately not good enough for gaming. Let alone available in different languages, like Windows Cortana is not working on non-EN Windows OS.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
Forms of MMOs will no doubt take shape on mobile, but it's mostly just the screen size and controls that will prevent it from ever being a luxury RPG experience that you can experience on the big screen.
While graphics might be "15 years behind" currently, I don't see that holding forever. The bandwidth requirement to stream high-end graphics doesn't increase by the same rate as our communication technology increases, so while nobody's really done it right so far I would expect that eventually cloud gaming should be a thing.
So I don't really see graphics and processing as the limiting factors so much as it's a tiny screen with limited controls. (Not that I'm knocking the platform. I enjoy and make mobile games. It's great for what it does well. It's just that I'll never expect to enjoy a FPS or MMORPG or Fighting Game on mobile, because all of these console/PC genres just work way better on those other platforms -- which is obviously going to be true, because they were designed for those other platforms.)
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
...and most of the pertinent on-screen controls are toward the bottom of the screen. Thanks for the laugh, though : I'm not above being ribbed on my favorite game... Lord knows I go on about it enough.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
...and most of the pertinent on-screen controls are toward the bottom of the screen. Thanks for the laugh, though : I'm not above being ribbed on my favorite game... Lord knows I go on about it enough.
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
...and most of the pertinent on-screen controls are toward the bottom of the screen. Thanks for the laugh, though : I'm not above being ribbed on my favorite game... Lord knows I go on about it enough.
I hate to admit it but that is kind of cool. j/k.
I tried this for the sony xperia z3 I have. It can bluetooth with a ps4 controller and there is a special attachment I brought for it. I didn't find it was nearly as fun as playing games on PC or directly on the PS4. It's better than playing games on a dedicated handheld device though. There just aren't many games on tablets that interest me and not many have added controller support. There is some potential there for mobile gaming, but I don't know how many people will buy a controller and attachment for their device.
...and most of the pertinent on-screen controls are toward the bottom of the screen. Thanks for the laugh, though : I'm not above being ribbed on my favorite game... Lord knows I go on about it enough.
I hate to admit it but that is kind of cool. j/k.
I tried this for the sony xperia z3 I have. It can bluetooth with a ps4 controller and there is a special attachment I brought for it. I didn't find it was nearly as fun as playing games on PC or directly on the PS4. It's better than playing games on a dedicated handheld device though. There just aren't many games on tablets that interest me and not many have added controller support. There is some potential there for mobile gaming, but I don't know how many people will buy a controller and attachment for their device.
Obvi, the PC is better. The PC is totes mcgoats. Ok, I was watching videos on youtube last night and took all that from
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
By the time technology catches up for what is needed for a "normal mobile" mmorpg experience, u won't be playing it on the phones, phone capabilities will be incorporated into whatever the new device is. Augmented reality is the end-game, what failures and fads for mobile we see until then is largely irrelevant.
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It had:
In game voice chat
Mail
Auction House
"Black Market" where players could bid in game currency on items that usually cost gems
Good questing
Guilds
Great dungeons, including heroic mode dungeons
Healers, tanks, crowd control
Mount collecting, usually rare spawns in PvP areas
Tons of seasonal events
Talent trees
World bosses
These days our PC games don't even have all these things - it seems devs cut corners on everything. This little phone game was a better experience than a lot of other games I recently played, and it was free (monetized for experience boosts, cosmetics, and to reset your daily heroic dungeon limit of 3).
I was really really impressed by it. I'd say that if Gameloft really wanted to, they could make a phone MMO that was better than the current PC offerings. That may say more about the state of PC gaming than Gameloft, though.
Edit: This very site reviewed it, though they were not big fans because it is such a WoW ripoff.
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/580/view/reviews/load/172
The good thing to take away from that, though is that it is a VANILLA WoW ripoff. I still would play this over current WoW (and I did until I saw everything there was to see).
But people really do it out of convenient so they can play anytime they want.
But smartphone mmorpg are unlikely to replace computer mmorpg anytime soon. It might be 10-20 years.
Epic Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1
https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos?&sort=-downloads&page=1
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
I am talking about the first one, the second is way more of an ARPG that just happens to have other people running around.
I actually shake my head when i see people walking around gabbing on their phone with what seems like 24/7.it is like Lioness and his blanket.
IMO the first real big bang for a money mmorpg will be when FFXI remake is done for the phone and that might be in 2016.although if it is will be crap because 2 years is not long enough to put into a triple a game and they said it would be maybe better than ffxi right now.Personally,i won't be buying any phone or FFXI on phone,so yeah it does nothing for me the entire phone gimmick business.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
https://thinkgaming.com/app-sales-data/
https://play.google.com/store/apps/collection/topgrossing?hl=en_GB
But there is a problem with the mobile platform, huge one, even beyond the whole control interface issues, and that is the power source, and of course, heat. And for those who keep smart phones in their pockets, and are only worried about accidentally damaging them, thats perhaps not the thing you should really be worrying about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCEBkKakCs0
and here i have to thank thunderfoot for his scientific expertise, its worth watching his youtube vids just for the things he often demonstrates. Must admit if i hadn't seen that, i wouldn't have believed it was even possible!
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
But that even more than normal 'pay to win' model is on its way to us, its does not matter about what its being played on or what genre it is.
Executive's in gaming companies keep an eye out for what the market can get away with, what they can bring to their games. So not now on the MMO you are playing, but next year maybe yes.
For me that means an opportunity for companies who are actually interested in delivering a decent product more than ripping off consumers.
It's amazing to me that a company like Nintendo hasn't started putting their best products on mobile platforms. Even if it's their older games adapted for it, which is clearly possible given that third party emulators already exist.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
Here is a screenshot; something you may see while on mobile:
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
It will be more of the same.
The same inverse movement in quality compared to technology of the platforms that we've seen over the past 10 years will probably just move into Apps.
How do you navigate?
Stylus?
Scale of the UI?
Is it playable if you got 20 specials to use on such a small device? Or do you have 1-2 specials? Then people will ditch it as being "too boring" as you're only spamming 1-2.
And playable screen size without UI? 3"?
Voice Commands?
Most Voice programs are regarded as 3rd party and you can be banned for it, depending on the game. (For example VoiceAttack can be reason to perma ban you in some MMO's, for example EVE Online. They do not like it and depending on the mood of a moderator of the game they can give you a (perma)ban)
And current OS integrated voice programs are definately not good enough for gaming. Let alone available in different languages, like Windows Cortana is not working on non-EN Windows OS.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
While graphics might be "15 years behind" currently, I don't see that holding forever. The bandwidth requirement to stream high-end graphics doesn't increase by the same rate as our communication technology increases, so while nobody's really done it right so far I would expect that eventually cloud gaming should be a thing.
So I don't really see graphics and processing as the limiting factors so much as it's a tiny screen with limited controls. (Not that I'm knocking the platform. I enjoy and make mobile games. It's great for what it does well. It's just that I'll never expect to enjoy a FPS or MMORPG or Fighting Game on mobile, because all of these console/PC genres just work way better on those other platforms -- which is obviously going to be true, because they were designed for those other platforms.)
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
...and most of the pertinent on-screen controls are toward the bottom of the screen. Thanks for the laugh, though
: I'm not above being ribbed on my favorite game... Lord knows I go on about it enough.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
I hate to admit it but that is kind of cool. j/k.
Epic Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1
https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos?&sort=-downloads&page=1
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
Obvi, the PC is better. The PC is totes mcgoats. Ok, I was watching videos on youtube last night and took all that from
Epic Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1
https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos?&sort=-downloads&page=1
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
Augmented reality is the end-game, what failures and fads for mobile we see until then is largely irrelevant.