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CBT 2, Name Reservations, Cash Shop & More

SystemSystem Member UncommonPosts: 12,599
edited January 2016 in News & Features Discussion

imageCBT 2, Name Reservations, Cash Shop & More

The first major news for North America's and Europe's version of Black Desert Online has arrived and it's got some big ticket items of interest to the community.

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  • exile01exile01 Member RarePosts: 1,089
    edited January 2016
    These greedy fuking mofos. Making a f2p game buy 2 play and adding the f2p cash shop in it. Root in hell. And as soon the game perfoms bad, they go full f2p.
  • NoxiousBassNoxiousBass Member UncommonPosts: 259
    BDO does not have a sub option as far as I know. How else will they have a healthy income to support this game?
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    edited January 2016
    NoxiousBass said:
    BDO does not have a sub option as far as I know. How else will they have a healthy income to support this game?


    It is not weather a game needs to support itself,i am quite certain every single person realizes that,it's obvious.
    The problem is these games choose to go f2p because they would NOT survive under a sub fee,matter of fact they likely would not get off the ground period.So they know their game is not good enough to challenge the sub fee market,yet they pretty much 90% of the time try and charge you MORE with over the top cash shops.

    This is called BAITING your users with the FAKE FREE monicker then hitting them up for tons more money once they have you hooked in.It is simple a MARKETING/business ploy,it is NOT anything to make the game better or user experience better,it is strictly a benefit to the developer.

    Even yet far more important is that you maintain the INTEGRITY of the game,if you are a complete sell out business ,don't care at all about the integrity of your game,then you really don't deserve to be supported.

    Now i am not saying that is the case here with this game,that is up to the users to determine if they are simply a sell-out operation that ONLY care about money and don't care if they ruin the game doing it.

    A perfect example is selling automatic level 90 players,that is a sell out ,removing almost the entire game just to make a fast buck.There is one more reason and that is to make sure any new player or player moving along slowly can quickly vault forward to buy their latest expansion,so yes a gain not caring about the integrity and ONLY in it for a buck.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • KajidourdenKajidourden Member EpicPosts: 3,030
    BDO does not have a sub option as far as I know. How else will they have a healthy income to support this game?

    B2P plus cash shop is pretty normal these days

    I think he has an issue with the fact that it's an f2p game elsewhere and for the launch here they want to do B2P and still keep the cash shop.  Seems a little shifty no?  Esepcially since they've already gone f2p in other regions, what's to stop them from doing that after they make the money they want from a B2P launch?
  • ReizlaReizla Member RarePosts: 4,092
    edited January 2016
    exile01 said:
    These greedy fuking mofos. Making a f2p game buy 2 play and adding the f2p cash shop in it. Root in hell. And as soon the game perfoms bad, they go full f2p.
    As said above by Kajidourden it's pretty common and as I do expect the game to go F2P one day, as long as it's B2P with a non-P2W cash shop I'm okay. I think of it a bit like GW2, which was B2P with cash shop as well and with it's 1st expansion went F2P for the base game...

    That aside, looking at what they're working on for localization (certainly the English dialects) I think they're doing a very good job. I just hope I'll be able to keep up with both Irish and Scottish accents though (subtitles on that is...)
  • ReizlaReizla Member RarePosts: 4,092
    http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/8038-pm-diary-22-cash-shop-and-more/ Full topic on cash shop. 2 items peek my interest as (possibly) slight P2W:
    1. Bed in cash shop - regens energy. I only hope there's a CD on it like the ArcheAge bed had (12h iirc there)
    2. Boss scrolls in mileage shop - then again, everyone can get those...

    The rest of both shops is pretty much regular convenience and cosmetics.
  • LeiloniLeiloni Member RarePosts: 1,266
    It's B2P because the NA/EU community wanted it to be B2P. We didn't want a F2P game with shitty community and bad money grubbing P2W cash shop. And like everything else we've asked for over the years (yes, years) Daum EU has listened. So not only is it B2P (yay!), it's also completely P2W free, because if you noticed, aside from a quality selection of non-P2W items on the cash shop, you cannot sell cash shop items in game via the auction house. So all cash shop purchased items are either character or account bound. This game's payment model is shaping up to be closer to ESO which is rather good.

    As for the other changes, there's a lot of good stuff in there. I'm very pleased.
  • NasaNasa Member UncommonPosts: 749
    Leiloni said:
    It's B2P because the NA/EU community wanted it to be B2P.
    What was the result(percentage) of the poll, if there was any?
  • RhygarthRhygarth Member UncommonPosts: 259
    Where is Kiyoris and the p2w argument ?

    Note:

    Cash Shop items will not be possible to sell on the marketplace at launch phase
    If we decide to enable selling Cash Shop Items at a later stage, there will be control mechanisms that will prevent players from heavily profiting and gaining an advantage by repetitively selling Cash Items on the marketplace.
  • fs23otmfs23otm Member RarePosts: 506
    Beds can be made in game also... and give energy back when you rest in them.

    The cash shops beds may be "better" but that is just convenience... not a requirement. 
  • zaberfangxzaberfangx Member UncommonPosts: 1,796
    edited January 2016
    I know some people complain about they should have a sub options if there was good data on a any new sub mmo doing good I'm sure they would have a sub options. As right now locking people away on a sub fee can make the game worst just look at wildstar it had content it had pvp it had all mess of stuff other then true solo content but drove out fast. Any change they did with the game no one came back just to drop down $15 just to check the game if was doing better then befor.
  • ragz45ragz45 Member UncommonPosts: 810
    The only thing I saw listed that is remotely ptw is the +50 weight thing, not the bed. The +50 weight upgrade would require RL cash + in game currency, and weight has extremly important roles when running trade goods. Less so when you get your cart etc, but it would provide people with an immediate boost at game start.

    The storage is nice too, but not quite as big a deal.
  • 2pure2pure Member UncommonPosts: 23
    ragz45 said:
    The only thing I saw listed that is remotely ptw is the +50 weight thing, not the bed. The +50 weight upgrade would require RL cash + in game currency, and weight has extremly important roles when running trade goods. Less so when you get your cart etc, but it would provide people with an immediate boost at game start.



    The storage is nice too, but not quite as big a deal.


    im sure there is also a way to spend in game money for weight upgrade as well, just like ESO so this is not a red flag for me.
  • Mange1Mange1 Member UncommonPosts: 266
    So to sum it up, so far the Cash Shop looks good and is not P2W. It was ignorant to not expect a cash shop in a B2P game, especially considering they told us months in advance that there would be one.


    The karma change is interesting to, I just hope they can pull it off but most importantly they're clearly really thinking it through and trying. They've accepted that the current karma system is not wanted in our region.
  • zaberfangxzaberfangx Member UncommonPosts: 1,796
    Mange1 said:
    So to sum it up, so far the Cash Shop looks good and is not P2W. It was ignorant to not expect a cash shop in a B2P game, especially considering they told us months in advance that there would be one.


    The karma change is interesting to, I just hope they can pull it off but most importantly they're clearly really thinking it through and trying. They've accepted that the current karma system is not wanted in our region.
    Karma system can be tricky make it to easy to by pass people surely gank people all they want with out punishment can drive people away from the game then the state the game can go south just to keep up funding the game.

  • Miffi89Miffi89 Member UncommonPosts: 40
    I find it a little perplexing that people are complaining about the cash shop? It's probably the best I've ever seen in an mmo? There isn't even exp pots in the cash shop, only millage which is free points for logging on. About the weight bit, they need to make money SOME how, this gives you a little more incentive to drop a couple more bucks into the game. Theres no energy pots, not statistical advantages on cosmetics, no enhancing stones and as pointed out above, not exp pots. How is that not a good cash shop.
  • ReizlaReizla Member RarePosts: 4,092
    ragz45 said:
    The only thing I saw listed that is remotely ptw is the +50 weight thing, not the bed. The +50 weight upgrade would require RL cash + in game currency, and weight has extremly important roles when running trade goods. Less so when you get your cart etc, but it would provide people with an immediate boost at game start.

    The storage is nice too, but not quite as big a deal.
    Not entirely sure, but if my memory is okay, you have around 2K weight limit on level 15. That +50 is not really making a difference then. Not to mention, to reach your at your weight limit, your inventory has to be filled half a dozen times...
  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member EpicPosts: 4,662
    They need to be careful and not reserve Naruto/Sasuke/Legolas/Whatever in advance, or there will be another rage thread or two!!11!!1!

  • Jonas_SGJonas_SG Member UncommonPosts: 475
    Leiloni said:
    It's B2P because the NA/EU community wanted it to be B2P. We didn't want a F2P game with shitty community and bad money grubbing P2W cash shop. And like everything else we've asked for over the years (yes, years) Daum EU has listened. So not only is it B2P (yay!), it's also completely P2W free, because if you noticed, aside from a quality selection of non-P2W items on the cash shop, you cannot sell cash shop items in game via the auction house. So all cash shop purchased items are either character or account bound. This game's payment model is shaping up to be closer to ESO which is rather good.

    As for the other changes, there's a lot of good stuff in there. I'm very pleased.

    The Trick was to lure people in with B2P promise.

    The Trap was this:

    • If we decide to enable selling Cash Shop Items on Auction House at a later stage, there will be control mechanisms that will prevent players from heavily profiting and gaining an advantage by repetitively selling Cash Items on the marketplace

    They basically told you:  Here is a F2P game. Now we will make you pay 30-100$ to play it in the West, but we will still add the F2P cash shop. And than make players believe this is exactly what they wanted.

    Daum EU makes Trion looks like newbies.


  • zaberfangxzaberfangx Member UncommonPosts: 1,796
    DMKano said:
    It's funny how the cash shop is more of a focus than the actual game



    Got to be if not you know them over sea games cash shop can get out of hand when it does harder to fix when it's live with out making people who payed worthless in what they payed for.
  • AeliousAelious Member RarePosts: 3,521
    DMKano said:
    It's funny how the cash shop is more of a focus than the actual game

    It should be. If players are expected to spend both money and time on a title then they should be wary of what can go wrong, jeopardizing their "investment." The greatest way to accomplish this method of decision making is by looking at similar situations, learning from the past. There is an almost identical situation that was similar in the very recent past.

    It's not humor, it's being responsible.

  • zaberfangxzaberfangx Member UncommonPosts: 1,796
    Jonas_SG said:
    Leiloni said:
    It's B2P because the NA/EU community wanted it to be B2P. We didn't want a F2P game with shitty community and bad money grubbing P2W cash shop. And like everything else we've asked for over the years (yes, years) Daum EU has listened. So not only is it B2P (yay!), it's also completely P2W free, because if you noticed, aside from a quality selection of non-P2W items on the cash shop, you cannot sell cash shop items in game via the auction house. So all cash shop purchased items are either character or account bound. This game's payment model is shaping up to be closer to ESO which is rather good.

    As for the other changes, there's a lot of good stuff in there. I'm very pleased.

    The Trick was to lure people in with B2P promise.

    The Trap was this:

    • If we decide to enable selling Cash Shop Items on Auction House at a later stage, there will be control mechanisms that will prevent players from heavily profiting and gaining an advantage by repetitively selling Cash Items on the marketplace

    They basically told you:  Here is a F2P game. Now we will make you pay 30-100$ to play it in the West, but we will still add the F2P cash shop. And than make players believe this is exactly what they wanted.

    Daum EU makes Trion looks like newbies.


    I won't call it a trick if the game start losing people if they can't get it back with a box cover then letting the game die off due to what ever happen people hope the game keep going. If not then just not play any mmo in general if people worry they will be trick as all mmo will go free to play at some point just keep it going unless was so bad they don't see worth the money in the first place.
  • rpmcmurphyrpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,502
    What's the point of concerning yourself with what the situation might be?
    It's a paltry £23 for the game, if it goes pear shaped you've got 100+ hours of entertainment out of it and it's only £23 gone. From the way people (pretend to) react you would think they were signing a life contract. Get a grip.
  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 8,177
    I suppose when they localized this game hiring the voice actors and translators and other expenses were dealt with in the currency of 'fresh air and sunshine'.

    Making it B2P makes perfect sense.

  • breadm1xbreadm1x Member UncommonPosts: 374
    edited January 2016
    Wrong Wong wrong they don't do that to make more cash..
    It's to protect you from gold sellers, trust me it is, its true, really, IT IS !



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