So NCsoft are censoring western Blade and Soul afterall?

Iselin · January 2016

Dreamo84 said:

Those screenshots disgusted me... look at her standing there all strong and proud... where is her husband?

On his knees scrubbing the kitchen floor.

Gestankfaust · January 2016

What gets me is all the 58 paragraph essays on the issue. Condense it for Cartman's sake!

aethus · January 2016

for those who are okay with what the NA writers did for B&S, are you also okay with what happened to Steven Universe in the EU?

Velric · January 2016

scorpex-x said:

Coman said:

Why do people care so much whatever a character wears underwear or shorts. Does you gameplay expirience change in any way because of this?

Why do you bring gameplay into it? I'm talking about a company saying they will not censor and lying, because they are doing it anyway.

If I'm playing a game that sells itself on sex then I want it to look the way it's supposed to look.

The point is that they took this stance that they would never censor for the western market and are doing it anyway, and they didn't tell us they were doing it either until players complained about it. So on top of lying they are being sly about it.

$10 there is a feminist working there that forced these changes through.

You're a spoiled child, we get.

It's really quite simple. NCSoft changed their mind. They realized that by making minor graphical changes they could reach a wider audience and not offend as many people. Since the graphical changes have no impact on gameplay it does not hinder anyone from enjoying their experience.

TiamatRoar · January 2016

They realized that lingerie model covered too much skin so it got in the way of people trying to customize their character, because that was the feedback that beta testers gave them, so they changed the female default underwear to something more revealing.

But no, apparently some people just have to blame everything on feminist conspiracies....

Solar_Prophet · January 2016

YashaX said:

linadragon said:

YashaX said:
If you research outside of the content of this thread you will find many more things that have been changed.

More than one quest has been changed and the Kun thing apparently was actually changed because it sounded like coon (oh my god it sounds the same as a brand of cheese, definitely justifies the change). The thing about Kun - t may or may not also be true.

The editorial team has publicly said: "When I'm presented with the choice of writing a character and story line that is pretty reprehensible without it being critical commentary on his actions, or reworking it to a more positive direction that isn't going to make me and others squirm, I'm not exactly going to hesitate to go for the latter"

I can hardly believe a serious writer would ever utter something like that. You know what that means? They have gone through the story and anything that is basically interesting they have changed to some feel good version. To me its just outrageous and horrible to see people like that let loose on a work of art.

Again I doubt it will make any major difference to the game's sales either way, but that in itself is sad. Pointless changes and now most people in the West will never get to experience the actual story because "it made pretty much everyone on the team really uncomfortable".

I have not seen anywhere mention other things that were changed other than a broader "re-writing of the script" in general for the western audience which is ALWAYS done period. Also that was one staff member on the team not the entire editorial team a single person does not equal the entirity of something. Localization is changing the script more often than not because a lot of things won't make sense to the US audience and the games tend to be slightly different in our region than they would be otherwise story wise. Go translate most korean mmorpgs after you learn the language and then go look at the US release of that same game and look at the mass differences in the script.

Yes, nothing was changed except they rewrote the whole story from the view point of "we will change it if it makes us feel uncomfortable".

Just because games have been censored in the past doesn't make it right. In the past I often saw localisations of anime with made up Western names for the characters (Shinichi in Conan became "Jimmy", lol), thankfully that has changed.

Hopefully as people become more aware of the issue and speak out against it, this kind of pointless tinkering with the stories will stop as well.

Unfortunately there are people like you who seem to be totally pro censorship, and will continue to support this kind of trashing of art because "its happened in the past" , and who just ignore anything presented to show you how deep the rot is with "oh its only one person on the editorial team" or "oh its just one scene that was changed".

The truth is it doesn't matter how detailed a breakdown of the censorship that has occurred in this game is presented to you, you will just make some flimsy excuse for it being ok. I don't know what drives people to actively support this kind of censorship, but thanks so much for helping to support a system that will continue to water down and trivialize the art/stories we get exposed to from different cultures.

People these days don't want to be reminded that unpleasant things happen, or that as humans we're generally pretty damn sick. Anything broaching subjects such as racism, sexism, genocide, or any form of discrimination is scrubbed from our entertainment media. Anything even the slightest bit controversial or uncomfortable is struck down due to political incorrectness, or (my favorite) 'to save the children'. Because kids growing up not knowing just how despicable people can be is a good thing, right?

A recent anime series (now my second favorite of all time) got a lot of flak for its portrayal of discrimination by people claiming that it was 'too over the top'. I just want to grab these people and say, "THIS. IS. HOW. PEOPLE. ACT." Not that they'd ever accept that fact.

How are we supposed to stop bad things from happening if we won't even acknowledge that they happen in the first place anymore? Granted we don't need Wizard101 adding an ethnic cleansing quest line, but this is supposed to be a game for teens and adults. What does it say about the maturity of the writers if they can't handle certain subjects? What does it say about the perceived maturity of the gaming community as a whole if the writers don't think we can handle certain subjects?

Even if this weren't an NCSoft title, I wouldn't be giving it the time of day. If for no other reason than the fact the writers don't seem to think of the western audience for this game as adults.

Brabbit1987 · January 2016

TiamatRoar said:

They realized that lingerie model covered too much skin so it got in the way of people trying to customize their character, because that was the feedback that beta testers gave them, so they changed the female default underwear to something more revealing.

But no, apparently some people just have to blame everything on feminist conspiracies....

I wouldn't really call it a conspiracy as there is nothing secret going on, nor is their anyone conspiring about anything going on.

It's a known fact that feminists have been getting into the game industry and have been causing developers to think twice about things and making changes based on complaints by them.

Are every change caused by them, absolutely not. But that doesn't change the fact that it is certainly happening.

As for the lingerie. I agree, if anything what it is now would be against what those radical feminists stand for. There is a whole lot more skin showing. So I am pretty sure it has nothing to do with them.

Alber_gamer · January 2016

I have no sympathy for BnS or NCS, but this seems like a nitpicky first world problem.

GeezerGamer · January 2016

Brabbit1987 said:

TiamatRoar said:

They realized that lingerie model covered too much skin so it got in the way of people trying to customize their character, because that was the feedback that beta testers gave them, so they changed the female default underwear to something more revealing.

But no, apparently some people just have to blame everything on feminist conspiracies....

I wouldn't really call it a conspiracy as there is nothing secret going on, nor is their anyone conspiring about anything going on.

It's a known fact that feminists have been getting into the game industry and have been causing developers to think twice about things and making changes based on complaints by them.

Are every change caused by them, absolutely not. But that doesn't change the fact that it is certainly happening.

As for the lingerie. I agree, if anything what it is now would be against what those radical feminists stand for. There is a whole lot more skin showing. So I am pretty sure it has nothing to do with them.

A known fact for BnS?
Are these the known facts that NCSoft has admitted to?
Or an assumption of a perceived problem that remains unsubstantiated?

iixviiiix · January 2016

Solar_Prophet said:

Even if this weren't an NCSoft title, I wouldn't be giving it the time of day. If for no other reason than the fact the writers don't seem to think of the western audience for this game as adults.

If i wasn't wrong , they ask people about birth dates when they enter the site and have something like parents agreement when you make account . So this game don't mean for young one.

You know , Lol , those things make the whole censorship like a joke . I mean ... women logic Lol .

Brabbit1987 · January 2016

GeezerGamer said:

Brabbit1987 said:

TiamatRoar said:

They realized that lingerie model covered too much skin so it got in the way of people trying to customize their character, because that was the feedback that beta testers gave them, so they changed the female default underwear to something more revealing.

But no, apparently some people just have to blame everything on feminist conspiracies....

I wouldn't really call it a conspiracy as there is nothing secret going on, nor is their anyone conspiring about anything going on.

It's a known fact that feminists have been getting into the game industry and have been causing developers to think twice about things and making changes based on complaints by them.

Are every change caused by them, absolutely not. But that doesn't change the fact that it is certainly happening.

As for the lingerie. I agree, if anything what it is now would be against what those radical feminists stand for. There is a whole lot more skin showing. So I am pretty sure it has nothing to do with them.

A known fact for BnS?
Are these the known facts that NCSoft has admitted to?
Or an assumption of a perceived problem that remains unsubstantiated?

Think you should reread what I said. Never stated that it's a known fact that feminists did it for blade and soul. I said the game industry.

It's been done to many games. In fact there is even one company who said they rather not even bring their games over from japan because they don't think it's worth the hassle to deal with it all.

But anyway, ya you should probably learn to read correctly. It would avoid having me to explain myself over again when I already explained it perfectly fine the first time.

GeezerGamer · January 2016

Brabbit1987 said:

GeezerGamer said:

Brabbit1987 said:

TiamatRoar said:

They realized that lingerie model covered too much skin so it got in the way of people trying to customize their character, because that was the feedback that beta testers gave them, so they changed the female default underwear to something more revealing.

But no, apparently some people just have to blame everything on feminist conspiracies....

I wouldn't really call it a conspiracy as there is nothing secret going on, nor is their anyone conspiring about anything going on.

It's a known fact that feminists have been getting into the game industry and have been causing developers to think twice about things and making changes based on complaints by them.

Are every change caused by them, absolutely not. But that doesn't change the fact that it is certainly happening.

As for the lingerie. I agree, if anything what it is now would be against what those radical feminists stand for. There is a whole lot more skin showing. So I am pretty sure it has nothing to do with them.

A known fact for BnS?
Are these the known facts that NCSoft has admitted to?
Or an assumption of a perceived problem that remains unsubstantiated?

Think you should reread what I said. Never stated that it's a known fact that feminists did it for blade and soul. I said the game industry.

It's been done to many games. In fact there is even one company who said they rather not even bring their games over from japan because they don't think it's worth the hassle to deal with it all.

But anyway, ya you should probably learn to read correctly. It would avoid having me to explain myself over again when I already explained it perfectly fine the first time.

I think you are taking the post too personal. The question was directed at the "conspiracy" in the previous post not so much you. I only used your expression of "Known facts".I read your post and I am aware you said these edits don't look like they are meant to curb feminist outrage. Otherwise we should not be seeing 12 pages of this.

Brabbit1987 · January 2016

GeezerGamer said:
I think you are taking the post too personal. The question was directed at the "conspiracy" in the previous post not so much you. I only used your expression of "Known facts".I read your post and I am aware you said these edits don't look like they are meant to curb feminist outrage. Otherwise we should not be seeing 12 pages of this.

Naa, not at all. I just hate having to explain myself more than once, when the first explanation was sufficient and pretty clear.

But, if your post was more for the previous post, then why quote my post?

Brabbit1987 · January 2016

Torval said:

Brabbit1987 said:

GeezerGamer said:
I think you are taking the post too personal. The question was directed at the "conspiracy" in the previous post not so much you. I only used your expression of "Known facts".I read your post and I am aware you said these edits don't look like they are meant to curb feminist outrage. Otherwise we should not be seeing 12 pages of this.

Naa, not at all. I just hate having to explain myself more than once, when the first explanation was sufficient and pretty clear.

But, if your post was more for the previous post, then why quote my post?

Probably because you state your opinion as fact and people question it. Now that we all know we're supposed to just swallow all that you've been shoveling it should make the discussion flow easier.

What opinion did I state as fact? As far as I am aware, everything I have stated from the definition of censorship to feminists having caused issue in the game industry, is a fact. Certainly not an opinion, unless of course you have no idea what an opinion is.

It's not an opinion on what a definition means when it's pulled directly from the dictionary.
It's not an opinion that feminists have caused trouble, since they did, just one example Anita Sarkeesian, as I am sure most know about her.
It's not an opinion that there are devs who don't want to deal with it.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censorship
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2015-11-25-backlash-fears-halt-global-dead-or-alive-xtreme-3-launch

Need I say anymore?

Phry · January 2016

Brabbit1987 said:

Torval said:

Brabbit1987 said:

GeezerGamer said:
I think you are taking the post too personal. The question was directed at the "conspiracy" in the previous post not so much you. I only used your expression of "Known facts".I read your post and I am aware you said these edits don't look like they are meant to curb feminist outrage. Otherwise we should not be seeing 12 pages of this.

Naa, not at all. I just hate having to explain myself more than once, when the first explanation was sufficient and pretty clear.

But, if your post was more for the previous post, then why quote my post?

Probably because you state your opinion as fact and people question it. Now that we all know we're supposed to just swallow all that you've been shoveling it should make the discussion flow easier.

What opinion did I state as fact? As far as I am aware, everything I have stated from the definition of censorship to feminists having caused issue in the game industry, is a fact. Certainly not an opinion, unless of course you have no idea what an opinion is.

Well, the difference is one where you think something is happening, and the other is you can point to direct evidence that is incontroversial proof that something is happening.
Of course, with so many interest groups, from Feminazi's to SJW's etc. you could probably even put together an argument to indicate that it was because of the Scientologists, if you were so inclined, but without some kind of evidence that isn't open to 'interpretation' then, its really just an opinion, not a fact.

Brabbit1987 · January 2016

Phry said:

Brabbit1987 said:

Torval said:

Brabbit1987 said:

GeezerGamer said:
I think you are taking the post too personal. The question was directed at the "conspiracy" in the previous post not so much you. I only used your expression of "Known facts".I read your post and I am aware you said these edits don't look like they are meant to curb feminist outrage. Otherwise we should not be seeing 12 pages of this.

Naa, not at all. I just hate having to explain myself more than once, when the first explanation was sufficient and pretty clear.

But, if your post was more for the previous post, then why quote my post?

Probably because you state your opinion as fact and people question it. Now that we all know we're supposed to just swallow all that you've been shoveling it should make the discussion flow easier.

What opinion did I state as fact? As far as I am aware, everything I have stated from the definition of censorship to feminists having caused issue in the game industry, is a fact. Certainly not an opinion, unless of course you have no idea what an opinion is.

Well, the difference is one where you think something is happening, and the other is you can point to direct evidence that is incontroversial proof that something is happening.
Of course, with so many interest groups, from Feminazi's to SJW's etc. you could probably even put together an argument to indicate that it was because of the Scientologists, if you were so inclined, but without some kind of evidence that isn't open to 'interpretation' then, its really just an opinion, not a fact.

Right, but I never stated what is happening too Blade and Soul was due to feminists. Again you people need to learn to read.

If you're saying that feminists have not caused issues in the game industry, then you all must be living in a damned cave.

Edit:
They have caused issues in many different industries. Not just gaming. And please don't tell me that is my opinion lol. -.- If need be I can link you to a ton of crap that they have effected. From comic book covers, to games not reaching NA and EU. Also can't forget games being removed from store shelves due to them.

Iselin · January 2016

Brabbit1987 said:
It's not an opinion that feminists have caused trouble, since they did, just one example Anita Sarkeesian, as I am sure most know about her.

Only the most closed minded, right wingnut, gamergater would have the opinion that she was the one causing the trouble. Yes, there is misogyny in video game culture... and that's an opinion.

We get it. You're so full of yourself your opinions are facts in your mind.... same old.

Phry · January 2016

Iselin said:

Brabbit1987 said:
It's not an opinion that feminists have caused trouble, since they did, just one example Anita Sarkeesian, as I am sure most know about her.

Only the most closed minded, right wingnut, gamergater would have the opinion that she was the one causing the trouble. Yes, there is misogyny in video game culture... and that's an opinion.

We get it. You're so full of yourself your opinions are facts in your mind.... same old.

I think its fairly safe to say that about 99.9% of the things that Anita Sarkeesian has said has been debunked fairly thoroughly by Thunderfoot and a few others, and if you enjoy a good laugh at Sarkeesians expense, or The Laughing Witches, now that i think of it, then watching Thunderfoots youtube channel is not just entertaining, but educational, even if only to watching things explode.
I don't think Sarkeesian and friends have really had as much impact as they would have liked, if anything, they come across as being a bit of a laughing stock.

Iselin · January 2016

Phry said:

Iselin said:

Brabbit1987 said:
It's not an opinion that feminists have caused trouble, since they did, just one example Anita Sarkeesian, as I am sure most know about her.

Only the most closed minded, right wingnut, gamergater would have the opinion that she was the one causing the trouble. Yes, there is misogyny in video game culture... and that's an opinion.

We get it. You're so full of yourself your opinions are facts in your mind.... same old.

I think its fairly safe to say that about 99.9% of the things that Anita Sarkeesian has said has been debunked fairly thoroughly by Thunderfoot and a few others, and if you enjoy a good laugh at Sarkeesians expense, or The Laughing Witches, now that i think of it, then watching Thunderfoots youtube channel is not just entertaining, but educational, even if only to watching things explode.
I don't think Sarkeesian and friends have really had as much impact as they would have liked, if anything, they come across as being a bit of a laughing stock.

Uh huh

We'll just have to agree to disagree about who the laughing stock are when you just take one quick little step outside the gaming culture.

I'll give you a clue: Gamergate has become a crank magnet for conservative and reactionary pundits who have tagged along in order to attack feminists and "SJWs."

GeezerGamer · January 2016

Brabbit1987 said:

GeezerGamer said:
I think you are taking the post too personal. The question was directed at the "conspiracy" in the previous post not so much you. I only used your expression of "Known facts".I read your post and I am aware you said these edits don't look like they are meant to curb feminist outrage. Otherwise we should not be seeing 12 pages of this.

Naa, not at all. I just hate having to explain myself more than once, when the first explanation was sufficient and pretty clear.

But, if your post was more for the previous post, then why quote my post?

For the simple reason that I thought your single sentence summed up said conspiracy theory in this whole thread quite nicely. Even though you may have intended it as a general statement, it was still used in this thread and whether you like it or not, it does seem to echo many sentiments expressed in these 13 pages. And you posted it in this thread. There is a lot of stuff stated in this thread that seems to be, for the most part, unverified.

But let me ask you this:
If you responded to my questions with "No, no and yes", Would that, in any way have invalidated your post I quoted?

Brabbit1987 · January 2016

Iselin said:

Brabbit1987 said:
It's not an opinion that feminists have caused trouble, since they did, just one example Anita Sarkeesian, as I am sure most know about her.

Only the most closed minded, right wingnut, gamergater would have the opinion that she was the one causing the trouble. Yes, there is misogyny in video game culture... and that's an opinion.

We get it. You're so full of yourself your opinions are facts in your mind.... same old.

Of course it's not just her, there are many feminists doing that crap. Also, it's pretty dang funny how you just write my statements off without giving a single argument for your case. All you do at the end there is a little bit of character assassination and then call it a day.

Also, hold on a second. Are you sticking up for Anita Sarkeesian? O.o

I am not into the whole gamergate thing, right wing or left wing. Don't really go by any labels like that. Also, I am very open minded. To know if someone is close minded or not you really need to speak with them for some time. You generally can't tell if someone is close minded just because they may disagree with someone.

But we all do know you love your character assassinations. So you try to write me off using it. To bad for you it doesn't work.

Phry said:

Iselin said:

Brabbit1987 said:
It's not an opinion that feminists have caused trouble, since they did, just one example Anita Sarkeesian, as I am sure most know about her.

Only the most closed minded, right wingnut, gamergater would have the opinion that she was the one causing the trouble. Yes, there is misogyny in video game culture... and that's an opinion.

We get it. You're so full of yourself your opinions are facts in your mind.... same old.

I think its fairly safe to say that about 99.9% of the things that Anita Sarkeesian has said has been debunked fairly thoroughly by Thunderfoot and a few others, and if you enjoy a good laugh at Sarkeesians expense, or The Laughing Witches, now that i think of it, then watching Thunderfoots youtube channel is not just entertaining, but educational, even if only to watching things explode.
I don't think Sarkeesian and friends have really had as much impact as they would have liked, if anything, they come across as being a bit of a laughing stock.

Thunderf00t is the best when it comes to debunking her crap. Though what else would you expect from a scientist lol. He is good at debunking just about anything that comes up. She may not have impacted things as much as she had hoped but she did cause some impact. It has effected a few game devs and their games in the past. Sadly it's not just Anita though causing the problems. There are many other feminists doing it as well. She is just the one that is most well known.

Iselin said:
Uh huh

We'll just have to agree to disagree about who the laughing stock are when you just take one quick little step outside the gaming culture.

I'll give you a clue: Gamergate has become a crank magnet for conservative and reactionary pundits who have tagged along in order to attack feminists and "SJWs."

Both sides are a laughing stock. But Anita is by far the worst because she can't even take any criticism without equating it to misogyny in some way. Then she blocks you. If you want to meet someone who is close minded, Anita is the very definition of someone who is close minded.

GeezerGamer said:

Brabbit1987 said:
Naa, not at all. I just hate having to explain myself more than once, when the first explanation was sufficient and pretty clear.

But, if your post was more for the previous post, then why quote my post?

For the simple reason that I thought your single sentence summed up said conspiracy theory in this whole thread quite nicely. Even though you may have intended it as a general statement, it was still used in this thread and whether you like it or not, it does seem to echo many sentiments expressed in these 13 pages. And you posted it in this thread. There is a lot of stuff stated in this thread that seems to be, for the most part, unverified.

But let me ask you this:
If you responded to my questions with "No, no and yes", Would that, in any way have invalidated your post I quoted?

I am sorry, but I still am not 100% sure I understand you. How did my sentence sum up the conspiracy theory?

GeezerGamer · January 2016

Brabbit1987 said:

I am sorry, but I still am not 100% sure I understand you. How did my sentence sum up the conspiracy theory?

Forget it, I just don't feel the need to drag this out any further. If you feel I didn't read your post, then I'll apologize and be sure to be more careful later.

Scot · January 2016

Very last minute to this, hoping "westernization" was more than just putting some extra clothes on the girls? The quest system has been panned for example.

Joseph_Kerr · January 2016

It's a sad day when players can't jack off to their favorite avatar!

Archid · January 2016

Daar said:

It's a sad day when players can't jack off to their favorite avatar!

This ^

Anyways, too much furries and loli's breeds cancer.

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