I highly doubt anything in a contract had anything which said "get x amount of subs or your sacked" it will more then likely be a generic contract with some specifics regarding her position.
paying a subscription does not mean you are counted as part of the population of the game, your counted as a subscriber, being part of the population means being on an actual server and having a character there thats active hence everyone saying server populations are lower now then before the NGE was implemented.
"You don't need to be in game to be counted as the population. As long as you're paying them a subscription, you're included".
By stating the above you are saying that people who pay for station accounts who don't even play galaxies can be counted as part of the population as you put it. If this is the case how does this show that more people are playing galaxies. It actually doesn't, it provides data that can't be counted as being accurate which is the case.
Like I said before, provide me with hard figures of the actual players who are currently playing and showing an increase in active players (including players who play SWG using station access), not people who have paid for 6 month subs and don't play the game like some people have and are waiting for subs to run out, or people who pay for other SOE games via station access.
Like i have said before less players are currently playing then before the NGE thats a fact and can clearly be seen and its obvious from various comments made by SOE staff (smed) that they have less subscribers (different from server population) for SWG then before the NGE and they under estimated how many players they would lose.
What you stated doesn't back up your previous statements either, and you won't be able to unless you provide hard numbers showing this because to me and everyone else who can see (by playing currently or have made trial accounts to check out the state of the game) that the populations on the servers have dropped significantly; saying that the NGE is more popular then game has ever been is simply not true.
I'm not saying your not entitled to like the game and therefore defend it, but making claims like they haven't lost money because of the NGE, or saying the game is more popular with the NGE, or saying they wouldn't promote someone for making mistakes etc with out backing up your claims with actual figures or knowing exactly whats going on at LA/SOE is silly.
You have to understand, i'm not a big star wars fan, i am a fan of computer games regardless what genere be they fps, mmos etc and i am very sceptical unless i see proof and see it with my own eyes its very hard for me to believe otherwise. I played galaxies for 2.5 years because it was a excellant game not because of the star wars name attached to it and for me it simply isn't a good game at this moment in time and thats my opinion and i have my own reasons for that, and from what i have seen with my own eyes alot of people seem to share that view.
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Originally posted by Obraik It's funny that you all assume that the NGE has done them bad. Are you sitting down? Holding onto something steady? I have something to say that might just rock your little world: Maybe the NGE hasn't lost them any money at all...
Obraik... You know I like you, even if you are my sworn mortal enemy! j/k
We've been on opposite ends of the "servers are dead" argument many times. Regardless of wether they are dead or not, you DO know that the servers are NOT up to PRE-NGE or PRE-CU standards of population. If this is so, then the NGE was a complete failure! It's intended purpose was to bring the kind of numbers that a brand name like Star Wars should bring. It hasn't. On the contrary, it lost them, without getting into numbers, a good chunk of their existing player base. So how you say that the NGE hasn't lost them any money? Even the mathematically impaired like me would know that it you lost players, and you didn't recoup the amount you expected, it equals a loss.
There aren't the major clumpings of people like there was pre-cu (I don't think I need to explain why, again ) but on Chilastra anyway, I would say the populations are about the same as they were pre-NGE. You'll never believe me of course, but it's what I (and others on my server) have noticed . If she had lost the company money, wouldn't she have been fired or demoted, not promoted?
I agree with Daendor. You promote who you know. That is how it is in corporate worlds. Its like a 25% chance of being promoted because you actually deserved the job. Its not what you know, its who you know or who you... well, I will leave the rest up to the amateur poets.
Originally posted by Obraik It's funny that you all assume that the NGE has done them bad. Are you sitting down? Holding onto something steady? I have something to say that might just rock your little world: Maybe the NGE hasn't lost them any money at all...
Obraik... You know I like you, even if you are my sworn mortal enemy! j/k
We've been on opposite ends of the "servers are dead" argument many times. Regardless of wether they are dead or not, you DO know that the servers are NOT up to PRE-NGE or PRE-CU standards of population. If this is so, then the NGE was a complete failure! It's intended purpose was to bring the kind of numbers that a brand name like Star Wars should bring. It hasn't. On the contrary, it lost them, without getting into numbers, a good chunk of their existing player base. So how you say that the NGE hasn't lost them any money? Even the mathematically impaired like me would know that it you lost players, and you didn't recoup the amount you expected, it equals a loss.
There aren't the major clumpings of people like there was pre-cu (I don't think I need to explain why, again ) but on Chilastra anyway, I would say the populations are about the same as they were pre-NGE. You'll never believe me of course, but it's what I (and others on my server) have noticed . If she had lost the company money, wouldn't she have been fired or demoted, not promoted?
Well i am on Chilastra, or was till the CU. The problem i see with it all, is greed, the CBS interveiw and all the hype over this game is IMHO a waste of time. No matter what any of us say the game will neve be brought back to it original glory. The company tried to monopolize off of the last of George Lucas series of movies "the Revenge of The Sith" and failed miserably.
The thing about Lucas Arts is that they have always in one form or another failed in the gaming industry and there have been reports on the trends over the years. Now that SOE has anything to do with it like in the past it means nerfs and lies and more greed.
Any repec players that come and yell to the rooftops that the NGE or CU has not killed the game can run around and kill fleas all day and be happy spending their parents money.
As far as the new chick in charge, lol, equal rights prevails again in the coorp enviroment. At least when the ship sinks you can have a name attached to it other than Smedly and Thunderheart with julian trying to bucket out the water.
The server population no matter what anyone post they really know can be seen by just logging in and standing in Theed. There is no population in th game and if you seem to think there is, then you and the 5 of your friends can have a great time playing the brokn quest and paying for the lies that SOE dishes out. By even keeping an account active you are showing them there is nothing wrong with the game , thus promoting the server poulation.
When 500 Vets download the trial to see whats going on and if there has been any positive changes those created accounts are also what SOE looks at as far as population. The playerbase just needs to let this FAILURE of a game just dwindle down to the noobs and respec hounds like asherons call2 did.
The game will come offline this year , because nobody is going to pay for such a broken game unless they are just totally stupid, or keep hopes that the company that has swindled so much of the publics money will ever change it to the way it used to be when people actualy enjoyed playing it.
As far as Fanbois coming here to post about it, get a life, the air is freash outside and spring is coming, get some sunshine, catch a tan, hell drive to texas and slap a dev if it will get you out of the house and away from your PC long enough to just let it die.
I for one sure hope there is a fanfest, buahahaha i will enjoy looking at the people that destroyed something that i really enjoyed doing after work and on weekends with my guildies.
Honestly Lucasarts is one of the better producers out there . Nge is a product developed by SOE not lucasarts . Lucasarts is capable of producing great games . They have been responsible for some of my favorite games of all time . The Super Star Wars series for SNES were very iconic and star warsy games. BTW thats in a good way . The jedi knight series was also great Battlefront does well in sales , Empire at war is a great game .
But oh well , if thats how you feel it will only be you missing out ..
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Originally posted by Malickiebloo Honestly Lucasarts is one of the better producers out there . Nge is a product developed by SOE not lucasarts . Lucasarts is capable of producing great games . They have been responsible for some of my favorite games of all time . The Super Star Wars series for SNES were very iconic and star warsy games. BTW thats in a good way . The jedi knight series was also great Battlefront does well in sales , Empire at war is a great game . But oh well , if thats how you feel it will only be you missing out ..
Only thing i wont be missing is my money. I refuse to pay for broken game and companies that just dont care about what the community wants. Everyone who has played the SWG and followed the changes knows that SOE is the evil, but Julio and his crackpots pressed and directed the NGE and CU because of the marketing potential of the last movie. They may have produced some really great movies, but as far as gaming in the MMORPG world they are totally sucking at this point.
On GTV on cable you can watch the history of Lucas Arts and the design and developers interviews and they admit the problems that LA has had in the gaming industry since the begnning of the console and arcade type game they have produced.
Mind you that i liked the Jedi Knight series and the KOTOR series, but they didnt get nerfed after i had paid for 2 years of playing them either. I am truly very bitter about what they have helped do to SWG though and wont be forgiving them any time soon.
Originally posted by Fignar I highly doubt anything in a contract had anything which said "get x amount of subs or your sacked" it will more then likely be a generic contract with some specifics regarding her position. paying a subscription does not mean you are counted as part of the population of the game, your counted as a subscriber, being part of the population means being on an actual server and having a character there thats active hence everyone saying server populations are lower now then before the NGE was implemented. "You don't need to be in game to be counted as the population. As long as you're paying them a subscription, you're included". By stating the above you are saying that people who pay for station accounts who don't even play galaxies can be counted as part of the population as you put it. If this is the case how does this show that more people are playing galaxies. It actually doesn't, it provides data that can't be counted as being accurate which is the case. Like I said before, provide me with hard figures of the actual players who are currently playing and showing an increase in active players (including players who play SWG using station access), not people who have paid for 6 month subs and don't play the game like some people have and are waiting for subs to run out, or people who pay for other SOE games via station access. Like i have said before less players are currently playing then before the NGE thats a fact and can clearly be seen and its obvious from various comments made by SOE staff (smed) that they have less subscribers (different from server population) for SWG then before the NGE and they under estimated how many players they would lose. What you stated doesn't back up your previous statements either, and you won't be able to unless you provide hard numbers showing this because to me and everyone else who can see (by playing currently or have made trial accounts to check out the state of the game) that the populations on the servers have dropped significantly; saying that the NGE is more popular then game has ever been is simply not true. I'm not saying your not entitled to like the game and therefore defend it, but making claims like they haven't lost money because of the NGE, or saying the game is more popular with the NGE, or saying they wouldn't promote someone for making mistakes etc with out backing up your claims with actual figures or knowing exactly whats going on at LA/SOE is silly. You have to understand, i'm not a big star wars fan, i am a fan of computer games regardless what genere be they fps, mmos etc and i am very sceptical unless i see proof and see it with my own eyes its very hard for me to believe otherwise. I played galaxies for 2.5 years because it was a excellant game not because of the star wars name attached to it and for me it simply isn't a good game at this moment in time and thats my opinion and i have my own reasons for that, and from what i have seen with my own eyes alot of people seem to share that view.
At the end of the day as long as you're paying the subscription LA and SOE are not going to be fussed if you are in game or not. Yes, station accounts are also counted towards SWG's population (according to Shayde). There is no difference between someone who pays their subscription and plays the game and someone who pays the subscription and doesn't play: $14.99 goes to SOE/LA.
See my response above for in game populations as I see it. Just like to point out tho that no where have I said the game is more popular then it has ever been.
My claims are based on what I've read and seen from the various articles and posts I've seen posted here. Obviously I've interpretted them differently to what you have. I don't buy your excuses for not needing to backup YOUR claims with hard figures either.
As I've said in other posts, before SWG I had never had anything to do with Star Wars, I started playing the game for what it was as a game - just like you
Originally posted by GuRu39 Well i am on Chilastra, or was till the CU. The problem i see with it all, is greed, the CBS interveiw and all the hype over this game is IMHO a waste of time. No matter what any of us say the game will neve be brought back to it original glory. The company tried to monopolize off of the last of George Lucas series of movies "the Revenge of The Sith" and failed miserably. The thing about Lucas Arts is that they have always in one form or another failed in the gaming industry and there have been reports on the trends over the years. Now that SOE has anything to do with it like in the past it means nerfs and lies and more greed. Any repec players that come and yell to the rooftops that the NGE or CU has not killed the game can run around and kill fleas all day and be happy spending their parents money. As far as the new chick in charge, lol, equal rights prevails again in the coorp enviroment. At least when the ship sinks you can have a name attached to it other than Smedly and Thunderheart with julian trying to bucket out the water. The server population no matter what anyone post they really know can be seen by just logging in and standing in Theed. There is no population in th game and if you seem to think there is, then you and the 5 of your friends can have a great time playing the brokn quest and paying for the lies that SOE dishes out. By even keeping an account active you are showing them there is nothing wrong with the game , thus promoting the server poulation. When 500 Vets download the trial to see whats going on and if there has been any positive changes those created accounts are also what SOE looks at as far as population. The playerbase just needs to let this FAILURE of a game just dwindle down to the noobs and respec hounds like asherons call2 did. The game will come offline this year , because nobody is going to pay for such a broken game unless they are just totally stupid, or keep hopes that the company that has swindled so much of the publics money will ever change it to the way it used to be when people actualy enjoyed playing it. As far as Fanbois coming here to post about it, get a life, the air is freash outside and spring is coming, get some sunshine, catch a tan, hell drive to texas and slap a dev if it will get you out of the house and away from your PC long enough to just let it die. I for one sure hope there is a fanfest, buahahaha i will enjoy looking at the people that destroyed something that i really enjoyed doing after work and on weekends with my guildies.
/lol
It's especially funny that you tell those that are "fanbois" to get a life, yet here you are, posting about a game that you no longer play. Hmm, who needs to get a life?
Originally posted by Obraik It's funny that you all assume that the NGE has done them bad. Are you sitting down? Holding onto something steady? I have something to say that might just rock your little world: Maybe the NGE hasn't lost them any money at all...
Obraik, you are either 12 yrs old or have a learning/thought process disability.
Check these numbers out:
Accounts preNGE:Accounts postNGE:
200,000 accounts 30,000 accounts
x $15 per monthx $15 per month
$3,000,000.00 per month $450,000 per month
$3,000,000.00 $450,000 per month
x 12 months in a yearx 12 months in a year
$36,000,000.00 Per year $5,400,000.00 per year
Expansions: Expansions:
2 Expansions per year 2 Expansions per year
x $30 a popx $30 a pop
$60 a year per account $60 a year per account
x 200,000 accountsx 30,000 accounts
$12,000,000.00 per year for expansions $1,800,000 per year
Total: $48,000,000.00 per year Total: $7,200,000.00 per year
Expenses: Expenses:
70 Developers 70 Developers
30 +/- managers and support staff30 +/- managers and support staff
100 employees 100 employees
x $100,000 per yrs salary, bene's, etc x $100,000 per yrs salary, bene's, etc
$10,000,000.00 $10,000,000.00
$48,000,000.00 Income per yr $7,200,000.00 Income per yr
$38,000,000.00 profit - 2,800,000.00 loss per year
Now I know not everyone that is working on this game is making $100,000 a yr. Some might be making more - some less, so $100K is a round number to work with to include benefits.
Let's say there are expenses that I haven't figured in, ie: building rent (tho prolly an SONY owned building), electricity, heat, phoones, new equipment/computers/servers. So let's double the expenses to $20,000,000.00. That is still a $28,000,000.00 profit per year preNGE. And a - 12,800,000.00 per year loss post NGE.
These are only numbers post CU. Can you imagine what they were making preCU????
So when you make some really off the cuff remark like SOE/SONY/ and LA didn't lose any money ..... well you are just one stupid individual. They are losing money, and it is somewhere inbetween - 2.8 mill to - 12.8 mill per year.
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Originally posted by GuRu39 Well i am on Chilastra, or was till the CU. The problem i see with it all, is greed, the CBS interveiw and all the hype over this game is IMHO a waste of time. No matter what any of us say the game will neve be brought back to it original glory. The company tried to monopolize off of the last of George Lucas series of movies "the Revenge of The Sith" and failed miserably. The thing about Lucas Arts is that they have always in one form or another failed in the gaming industry and there have been reports on the trends over the years. Now that SOE has anything to do with it like in the past it means nerfs and lies and more greed. Any repec players that come and yell to the rooftops that the NGE or CU has not killed the game can run around and kill fleas all day and be happy spending their parents money. As far as the new chick in charge, lol, equal rights prevails again in the coorp enviroment. At least when the ship sinks you can have a name attached to it other than Smedly and Thunderheart with julian trying to bucket out the water. The server population no matter what anyone post they really know can be seen by just logging in and standing in Theed. There is no population in th game and if you seem to think there is, then you and the 5 of your friends can have a great time playing the brokn quest and paying for the lies that SOE dishes out. By even keeping an account active you are showing them there is nothing wrong with the game , thus promoting the server poulation. When 500 Vets download the trial to see whats going on and if there has been any positive changes those created accounts are also what SOE looks at as far as population. The playerbase just needs to let this FAILURE of a game just dwindle down to the noobs and respec hounds like asherons call2 did. The game will come offline this year , because nobody is going to pay for such a broken game unless they are just totally stupid, or keep hopes that the company that has swindled so much of the publics money will ever change it to the way it used to be when people actualy enjoyed playing it. As far as Fanbois coming here to post about it, get a life, the air is freash outside and spring is coming, get some sunshine, catch a tan, hell drive to texas and slap a dev if it will get you out of the house and away from your PC long enough to just let it die. I for one sure hope there is a fanfest, buahahaha i will enjoy looking at the people that destroyed something that i really enjoyed doing after work and on weekends with my guildies.
/lol
It's especially funny that you tell those that are "fanbois" to get a life, yet here you are, posting about a game that you no longer play. Hmm, who needs to get a life?
Well that type of response is to be expected from the Respec community that did not have to work for anything. And as far as me being here, lol i dont play it, therefore have the time, must be the same excuse you have also.
Lol, who needs to wake up? Do you really think they would promote her if she had made the company lose money? That's enough proof there.
Obraik ... it is YOU that needs to wake up. I have worked in the corporate environment for the last 10 yrs and YES they DO promote incompetent people. Sometime is itsn't about what you know or what you can do. Sometimes it is WHO you know ... or .... whatever. That's enough for proof there.
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To play Corporate Devil's Advocate, this is not necessarily a bad thing or a reward for her. A couple a speculative points here:
I've seen a VP in my past company screw up majorly and then moved to a Director job, and it was called a promotion. I've also seen the exact opposite. This could very well be the case that she has good business skills and poor development skills. Getting a "promotion" after something like the NGE may not really be a promotion.
She's being moved from a VERY important development job to a VP or Marketing & Sales, AWAY from creative control. This is not a bad thing. For those of you in Corporations, you know what it means to get a promotion away from creative control.
Her old job was posted over 2 weeks before this came out. When people in Corps are promoted they usually announce it and post for it immediately.
The word I heard was that it was announced a while ago that she was not the SD of OG at LA, and weeks later this is announced? For those of us Corprate Monkeys, does that sound like a promotion to you? I've been told Shake-Up, and I'm still hoping my source is correct... hoping.
All that said, a move to the Marketing / Sales VP Vs control over 2-3 MMO's doesn't sound like a promotion to me. The press sounds positive, but what company would say she did a terrible job? In my old company, S&M was where the hacks that everyone liked were sent to die.
I'm waiting for E3. If Torres is the SD of OG for SOE, then we all know what to expect from LA... if not...
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Originally posted by Obraik It's funny that you all assume that the NGE has done them bad. Are you sitting down? Holding onto something steady? I have something to say that might just rock your little world: Maybe the NGE hasn't lost them any money at all...
Obraik, you are either 12 yrs old or have a learning/thought process disability.
Check these numbers out:
Accounts preNGE:Accounts postNGE:
200,000 accounts 30,000 accounts
x $15 per monthx $15 per month
$3,000,000.00 per month $450,000 per month
$3,000,000.00 $450,000 per month
x 12 months in a yearx 12 months in a year
$36,000,000.00 Per year $5,400,000.00 per year
Expansions: Expansions:
2 Expansions per year 2 Expansions per year
x $30 a popx $30 a pop
$60 a year per account $60 a year per account
x 200,000 accountsx 30,000 accounts
$12,000,000.00 per year for expansions $900,000 per year
Total: $48,000,000.00 per year Total: $6,300,000.00 per year
Expenses: Expenses:
70 Developers 70 Developers
30 +/- managers and support staff30 +/- managers and support staff
100 employees 100 employees
x $100,000 per yrs salary, bene's, etc x $100,000 per yrs salary, bene's, etc
$10,000,000.00 $10,000,000.00
$48,000,000.00 Income per yr $6,300,000.00 Income per yr
$38,000,000.00 profit - 3,700,000.00 loss per year
Now I know not everyone that is working on this game is making $100,000 a yr. Some might be making more - some less, so $100K is a round number to work with to include benefits.
Let's say there are expenses that I haven't figured in, ie: building rent (tho prolly an SONY owned building), electricity, heat, new equipment/computers/servers. So let's double the expenses to $20,000,000.00. That is still a $28,000,000.00 profit per year preNGE. And a - 13,700,000.00 per year loss post NGE.
These are only numbers post CU and preNGE. Can you imagine what they were making preCU????
So when you make some really off the cuff remark like SOE/SONY/ and LA didn't lose any money ..... well you are just one stupid individual. The are losing money, and it is somewhere inbetween - 3.7 mill to - 13.7 mill per year.
BTW, I work in the High Tech Industry so i have an idea on what software developers make.
And where exactly did you whip those numbers up from? Lets do this now, based on the statement from Virrago that 80% of the pre-nge population is still playing (for a worst case scenario)
Accounts preNGE:Accounts postNGE:
200,000 accounts 160,000 accounts (200k * .8)
x $15 per monthx $15 per month
$3,000,000.00 per month $2,400,000 per month
$3,000,000.00 $2,400,000 per month
x 12 months in a yearx 12 months in a year
$36,000,000.00 Per year $28,800,000.00 per year
Expansions: Expansions:
2 Expansions per year 2 Expansions per year
x $30 a popx $30 a pop
$60 a year per account $60 a year per account
x 200,000 accountsx 30,000 accounts
$12,000,000.00 per year for expansions $9,600,000 per year
Total: $48,000,000.00 per year Total: $38,400,000.00 per year
Expenses: Expenses:
70 Developers 70 Developers
30 +/- managers and support staff30 +/- managers and support staff
100 employees 100 employees
x $100,000 per yrs salary, bene's, etc x $100,000 per yrs salary, bene's, etc
$10,000,000.00 $10,000,000.00
$48,000,000.00 Income per yr $38,400,000.00 Income per yr
Well that type of response is to be expected from the Respec community that did not have to work for anything. And as far as me being here, lol i dont play it, therefore have the time, must be the same excuse you have also.
Been playing since launch, bud Oh, and as you can see in my sig, I'm a Medic...
@ObraPoo As soon as you little brownnose are posting here, most people burst into tears dying laughing about the poor and sad attempt to defend your pile of poo called "game".
Some1 might wonder if you are REALLY that completely idiot believing the nonsense you are posting in a forum full of ex-customers which ran away from a company full of lies, full of shit, full of incompetence.
It takes no rocket scientist to KNOW that the game is down, that the numbers are down, that only retards still play it. But it takes a HUGE dellusion to ignore this fact.
And you jackass come here and still post about your "this is a good going great game"-shit ?
Jesus, get a life man - and refrain from posting here, go back into your beloved game and try to find the Smedtoon on your extraordinary chilastra server (which is magically the most crowded since NGE...following your words) and stick your nose deeper in his....
You are so full of it!
>>It's especially funny that you tell those that are "fanbois" to get a life, >>yet here you are, posting about a game that you no longer play. Hmm, who needs to get a life?
Of course he does, Mr. intelligencebeast, look at your onlincecounter, homer.
And since when is one not allowed to discuss something you dont own/run/be ? So you are talking about a TV show without being the producer ? Talking about politics without being the president ? Talking about girls without being one ?
See your "logic" assclown, its NUN !
Do us ALL a favour and do your homework or clean mommys baking-plate or whatever, but stay away from here, i get pimples reading you.
Originally posted by Malickiebloo Honestly Lucasarts is one of the better producers out there . Nge is a product developed by SOE not lucasarts . Lucasarts is capable of producing great games . They have been responsible for some of my favorite games of all time . The Super Star Wars series for SNES were very iconic and star warsy games. BTW thats in a good way . The jedi knight series was also great Battlefront does well in sales , Empire at war is a great game . But oh well , if thats how you feel it will only be you missing out ..
Seriously, you can't blame SOE for a bad game (NGE) and then - in the same paragraph - turn around and praise Lucas Arts for it's great games. None of them were actually developed by Lucas Arts.
Battlefront = Pandemic Jedi Knight Series = Activision Empire at War = Petroglyph
Did they ever make a game by themselves? Far as I can tell they're only selling off licenses and then slap the Lucas Arts logo on the gamebox. So, either admit that Lucas Arts isn't as phantastic as you make them out to be, or give credit to the companies that actually developed the games you liked.
virrago has taken JT's comments and miss-quoted him so you can't use his statement. JT used marketing spin to tart up his statement if you actually read the original quote from JT you will see this for yourself.
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Originally posted by GuRu39 Well that type of response is to be expected from the Respec community that did not have to work for anything. And as far as me being here, lol i dont play it, therefore have the time, must be the same excuse you have also.
Been playing since launch, bud Oh, and as you can see in my sig, I'm a Medic...
Lol, guys just realize one thing, he likes to argue. So actually no matter what you say hes Thunderhearts kid. As far as being there since Beta, what game name, cause so have i.
Originally posted by Obraik Accounts preNGE:Accounts postNGE:
200,000 accounts 160,000 accounts (200k * .8)
$48,000,000.00 Income per yr $38,400,000.00 Income per yr - $10,000,000.00 salaries, bene's, etc- $10,000,000.00 salaries, bene's, etc $38,000,000.00 profit $28,400,000.00 profit
What are you SMOKING?!?!?!
Wow. I'm STUNNED. I try not to call you a Fanboi or rag on you, even when you're obviously WAY off, but by posting this you have just lost ALL credibility with anyone who reads this.
NO ONE but you believes there are 160k subs, not even Smed or Torres. Wow...
Even the biggest NGE fans I know don't think there are more than 50k subs, and all of the evidence points to 33k at most.
Posting somthing like this makes you look like a fool. Seriously, for your own sake, rethink your post and delete it.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
Originally posted by GuRu39 Well that type of response is to be expected from the Respec community that did not have to work for anything. And as far as me being here, lol i dont play it, therefore have the time, must be the same excuse you have also.
Been playing since launch, bud Oh, and as you can see in my sig, I'm a Medic...
Lol, guys just realize one thing, he likes to argue. So actually no matter what you say hes Thunderhearts kid. As far as being there since Beta, what game name, cause so have i.
Ooops times up. Gotta run, gettng the Bayliner out of birthing today, need to find a good spot to sun, lol
Originally posted by RichZack @ObraPoo As soon as you little brownnose are posting here, most people burst into tears dying laughing about the poor and sad attempt to defend your pile of poo called "game". Some1 might wonder if you are REALLY that completely idiot believing the nonsense you are posting in a forum full of ex-customers which ran away from a company full of lies, full of shit, full of incompetence. It takes no rocket scientist to KNOW that the game is down, that the numbers are down, that only retards still play it. But it takes a HUGE dellusion to ignore this fact. And you jackass come here and still post about your "this is a good going great game"-shit ? Jesus, get a life man - and refrain from posting here, go back into your beloved game and try to find the Smedtoon on your extraordinary chilastra server (which is magically the most crowded since NGE...following your words) and stick your nose deeper in his.... You are so full of it!
>>It's especially funny that you tell those that are "fanbois" to get a life, >>yet here you are, posting about a game that you no longer play. Hmm, who needs to get a life? Of course he does, Mr. intelligencebeast, look at your onlincecounter, homer.
And since when is one not allowed to discuss something you dont own/run/be ? So you are talking about a TV show without being the producer ? Talking about politics without being the president ? Talking about girls without being one ? See your "logic" assclown, its NUN !
Do us ALL a favour and do your homework or clean mommys baking-plate or whatever, but stay away from here, i get pimples reading you.
Oh noes, you called me names on the interweb!11!!1
lol if it wasn't for people like Obraik the 419 fraudsters would have no one to pray on.
However like i said he can defend his game but to be honest i just laugh at him when he makes claims like those just posted above as it makes him look rather silly and i suspect with him being a uni student still recovering from the alcohol and class A drugs fuelled SWG orgy from night before, hes not quite sure what hes saying yet.
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Originally posted by Obraik Accounts preNGE:Accounts postNGE:
200,000 accounts 160,000 accounts (200k * .8)
$48,000,000.00 Income per yr $38,400,000.00 Income per yr - $10,000,000.00 salaries, bene's, etc- $10,000,000.00 salaries, bene's, etc $38,000,000.00 profit $28,400,000.00 profit
What are you SMOKING?!?!?!
Wow. I'm STUNNED. I try not to call you a Fanboi or rag on you, even when you're obviously WAY off, but by posting this you have just lost ALL credibility with anyone who reads this.
NO ONE but you believes there are 160k subs, not even Smed or Torres. Wow...
Even the biggest NGE fans I know don't think there are more than 50k subs, and all of the evidence points to 33k at most.
Posting somthing like this makes you look like a fool. Seriously, for your own sake, rethink your post and delete it.
Read the beginning of my reply, it states that I'm basing these figures from Virragos statement that 80% of the pre-nge population is still subscribed...
Originally posted by Obraik And where exactly did you whip those numbers up from? Lets do this now, based on the statement from Virrago that 80% of the pre-nge population is still playing (for a worst case scenario)
You are such a moron. A complete fool if you believe that they kept 80% of their accounts.
Engage your brain just for 2 seconds if you can ..... the servers are FREAKING DEAD. You only see EASILY like 10 - 20% of the amount of peolpe you have seen preNGE. I saw a video made recently on NGE PvP ... all of 6 people were involved in Theed. Tho I am sure the are slightly larger "organized" PvP outings.
As far as the numbers go ... it was pretty well common knnowledge that SWG had between 200K and 250K accounts preNGE. This has been reported. It is also common knowledge the numbers that were just obtained by someone during primetime which were around 10,000 people online playing the game. It is also common knowledge that only about a third of an MMO playerbase is playing during the primetiime hours.
It is also common knowledge that revenue is generated by paying accounts .... NOT the number of users. I had 2 accounts while others had as many as 10 accounts. The norm was 2-5 accounts per user. Tho ... you can't play more than one at a time. I seriously doubt that anyone could play 2 combat type toons at the same time. Tho someone COULD have a combat type toon and an afk entertainer going at the same time.
So dude you really are out of touch with reality.
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I highly doubt anything in a contract had anything which said "get x amount of subs or your sacked" it will more then likely be a generic contract with some specifics regarding her position.
paying a subscription does not mean you are counted as part of the population of the game, your counted as a subscriber, being part of the population means being on an actual server and having a character there thats active hence everyone saying server populations are lower now then before the NGE was implemented.
"You don't need to be in game to be counted as the population. As long as you're paying them a subscription, you're included".
By stating the above you are saying that people who pay for station accounts who don't even play galaxies can be counted as part of the population as you put it. If this is the case how does this show that more people are playing galaxies. It actually doesn't, it provides data that can't be counted as being accurate which is the case.
Like I said before, provide me with hard figures of the actual players who are currently playing and showing an increase in active players (including players who play SWG using station access), not people who have paid for 6 month subs and don't play the game like some people have and are waiting for subs to run out, or people who pay for other SOE games via station access.
Like i have said before less players are currently playing then before the NGE thats a fact and can clearly be seen and its obvious from various comments made by SOE staff (smed) that they have less subscribers (different from server population) for SWG then before the NGE and they under estimated how many players they would lose.
What you stated doesn't back up your previous statements either, and you won't be able to unless you provide hard numbers showing this because to me and everyone else who can see (by playing currently or have made trial accounts to check out the state of the game) that the populations on the servers have dropped significantly; saying that the NGE is more popular then game has ever been is simply not true.
I'm not saying your not entitled to like the game and therefore defend it, but making claims like they haven't lost money because of the NGE, or saying the game is more popular with the NGE, or saying they wouldn't promote someone for making mistakes etc with out backing up your claims with actual figures or knowing exactly whats going on at LA/SOE is silly.
You have to understand, i'm not a big star wars fan, i am a fan of computer games regardless what genere be they fps, mmos etc and i am very sceptical unless i see proof and see it with my own eyes its very hard for me to believe otherwise. I played galaxies for 2.5 years because it was a excellant game not because of the star wars name attached to it and for me it simply isn't a good game at this moment in time and thats my opinion and i have my own reasons for that, and from what i have seen with my own eyes alot of people seem to share that view.
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Obraik... You know I like you, even if you are my sworn mortal enemy!
j/k
We've been on opposite ends of the "servers are dead" argument many times. Regardless of wether they are dead or not, you DO know that the servers are NOT up to PRE-NGE or PRE-CU standards of population. If this is so, then the NGE was a complete failure! It's intended purpose was to bring the kind of numbers that a brand name like Star Wars should bring. It hasn't. On the contrary, it lost them, without getting into numbers, a good chunk of their existing player base. So how you say that the NGE hasn't lost them any money? Even the mathematically impaired like me would know that it you lost players, and you didn't recoup the amount you expected, it equals a loss.
There aren't the major clumpings of people like there was pre-cu (I don't think I need to explain why, again
) but on Chilastra anyway, I would say the populations are about the same as they were pre-NGE. You'll never believe me of course, but it's what I (and others on my server) have noticed 
. If she had lost the company money, wouldn't she have been fired or demoted, not promoted?
Okay, but you guys are forgetting one other option:
She is the best that they have left after the firings and "mass exodus" circulating the rumor mill.
I agree with Daendor. You promote who you know. That is how it is in corporate worlds. Its like a 25% chance of being promoted because you actually deserved the job. Its not what you know, its who you know or who you... well, I will leave the rest up to the amateur poets.
Obraik... You know I like you, even if you are my sworn mortal enemy!
j/k
We've been on opposite ends of the "servers are dead" argument many times. Regardless of wether they are dead or not, you DO know that the servers are NOT up to PRE-NGE or PRE-CU standards of population. If this is so, then the NGE was a complete failure! It's intended purpose was to bring the kind of numbers that a brand name like Star Wars should bring. It hasn't. On the contrary, it lost them, without getting into numbers, a good chunk of their existing player base. So how you say that the NGE hasn't lost them any money? Even the mathematically impaired like me would know that it you lost players, and you didn't recoup the amount you expected, it equals a loss.
There aren't the major clumpings of people like there was pre-cu (I don't think I need to explain why, again
) but on Chilastra anyway, I would say the populations are about the same as they were pre-NGE. You'll never believe me of course, but it's what I (and others on my server) have noticed 
. If she had lost the company money, wouldn't she have been fired or demoted, not promoted?
Well i am on Chilastra, or was till the CU. The problem i see with it all, is greed, the CBS interveiw and all the hype over this game is IMHO a waste of time. No matter what any of us say the game will neve be brought back to it original glory. The company tried to monopolize off of the last of George Lucas series of movies "the Revenge of The Sith" and failed miserably.
The thing about Lucas Arts is that they have always in one form or another failed in the gaming industry and there have been reports on the trends over the years. Now that SOE has anything to do with it like in the past it means nerfs and lies and more greed.
Any repec players that come and yell to the rooftops that the NGE or CU has not killed the game can run around and kill fleas all day and be happy spending their parents money.
As far as the new chick in charge, lol, equal rights prevails again in the coorp enviroment. At least when the ship sinks you can have a name attached to it other than Smedly and Thunderheart with julian trying to bucket out the water.
The server population no matter what anyone post they really know can be seen by just logging in and standing in Theed. There is no population in th game and if you seem to think there is, then you and the 5 of your friends can have a great time playing the brokn quest and paying for the lies that SOE dishes out. By even keeping an account active you are showing them there is nothing wrong with the game , thus promoting the server poulation.
When 500 Vets download the trial to see whats going on and if there has been any positive changes those created accounts are also what SOE looks at as far as population. The playerbase just needs to let this FAILURE of a game just dwindle down to the noobs and respec hounds like asherons call2 did.
The game will come offline this year , because nobody is going to pay for such a broken game unless they are just totally stupid, or keep hopes that the company that has swindled so much of the publics money will ever change it to the way it used to be when people actualy enjoyed playing it.
As far as Fanbois coming here to post about it, get a life, the air is freash outside and spring is coming, get some sunshine, catch a tan, hell drive to texas and slap a dev if it will get you out of the house and away from your PC long enough to just let it die.
I for one sure hope there is a fanfest, buahahaha i will enjoy looking at the people that destroyed something that i really enjoyed doing after work and on weekends with my guildies.
Honestly Lucasarts is one of the better producers out there . Nge is a product developed by SOE not lucasarts . Lucasarts is capable of producing great games . They have been responsible for some of my favorite games of all time . The Super Star Wars series for SNES were very iconic and star warsy games. BTW thats in a good way
. The jedi knight series was also great Battlefront does well in sales , Empire at war is a great game .
But oh well , if thats how you feel it will only be you missing out ..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Only thing i wont be missing is my money. I refuse to pay for broken game and companies that just dont care about what the community wants. Everyone who has played the SWG and followed the changes knows that SOE is the evil, but Julio and his crackpots pressed and directed the NGE and CU because of the marketing potential of the last movie. They may have produced some really great movies, but as far as gaming in the MMORPG world they are totally sucking at this point.
On GTV on cable you can watch the history of Lucas Arts and the design and developers interviews and they admit the problems that LA has had in the gaming industry since the begnning of the console and arcade type game they have produced.
Mind you that i liked the Jedi Knight series and the KOTOR series, but they didnt get nerfed after i had paid for 2 years of playing them either. I am truly very bitter about what they have helped do to SWG though and wont be forgiving them any time soon.
At the end of the day as long as you're paying the subscription LA and SOE are not going to be fussed if you are in game or not. Yes, station accounts are also counted towards SWG's population (according to Shayde). There is no difference between someone who pays their subscription and plays the game and someone who pays the subscription and doesn't play: $14.99 goes to SOE/LA.
See my response above for in game populations as I see it. Just like to point out tho that no where have I said the game is more popular then it has ever been.
My claims are based on what I've read and seen from the various articles and posts I've seen posted here. Obviously I've interpretted them differently to what you have. I don't buy your excuses for not needing to backup YOUR claims with hard figures either.
As I've said in other posts, before SWG I had never had anything to do with Star Wars, I started playing the game for what it was as a game - just like you
/lol
It's especially funny that you tell those that are "fanbois" to get a life, yet here you are, posting about a game that you no longer play. Hmm, who needs to get a life?
Obraik, you are either 12 yrs old or have a learning/thought process disability.
Check these numbers out:
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/lol
It's especially funny that you tell those that are "fanbois" to get a life, yet here you are, posting about a game that you no longer play. Hmm, who needs to get a life?
Well that type of response is to be expected from the Respec community that did not have to work for anything. And as far as me being here, lol i dont play it, therefore have the time, must be the same excuse you have also.
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To play Corporate Devil's Advocate, this is not necessarily a bad thing or a reward for her. A couple a speculative points here:
All that said, a move to the Marketing / Sales VP Vs control over 2-3 MMO's doesn't sound like a promotion to me. The press sounds positive, but what company would say she did a terrible job? In my old company, S&M was where the hacks that everyone liked were sent to die.
I'm waiting for E3. If Torres is the SD of OG for SOE, then we all know what to expect from LA... if not...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Obraik, you are either 12 yrs old or have a learning/thought process disability.
Check these numbers out:
And where exactly did you whip those numbers up from? Lets do this now, based on the statement from Virrago that 80% of the pre-nge population is still playing (for a worst case scenario)
@ObraPoo
As soon as you little brownnose are posting here, most people burst into tears dying laughing
about the poor and sad attempt to defend your pile of poo called "game".
Some1 might wonder if you are REALLY that completely idiot believing the nonsense you are posting
in a forum full of ex-customers which ran away from a company full of lies, full of shit, full
of incompetence.
It takes no rocket scientist to KNOW that the game is down, that the numbers are down, that
only retards still play it. But it takes a HUGE dellusion to ignore this fact.
And you jackass come here and still post about your "this is a good going great game"-shit ?
Jesus, get a life man - and refrain from posting here, go back into your beloved game and
try to find the Smedtoon on your extraordinary chilastra server (which is magically the most crowded
since NGE...following your words) and stick your nose deeper in his....
You are so full of it!
>>It's especially funny that you tell those that are "fanbois" to get a life,
>>yet here you are, posting about a game that you no longer play. Hmm, who needs to get a life?
Of course he does, Mr. intelligencebeast, look at your onlincecounter, homer.
And since when is one not allowed to discuss something you dont own/run/be ?
So you are talking about a TV show without being the producer ?
Talking about politics without being the president ?
Talking about girls without being one ?
See your "logic" assclown, its NUN !
Do us ALL a favour and do your homework or clean mommys baking-plate or whatever,
but stay away from here, i get pimples reading you.
Seriously, you can't blame SOE for a bad game (NGE) and then - in the same paragraph - turn around and praise Lucas Arts for it's great games. None of them were actually developed by Lucas Arts.
Battlefront = Pandemic
Jedi Knight Series = Activision
Empire at War = Petroglyph
Did they ever make a game by themselves? Far as I can tell they're only selling off licenses and then slap the Lucas Arts logo on the gamebox. So, either admit that Lucas Arts isn't as phantastic as you make them out to be, or give credit to the companies that actually developed the games you liked.
virrago has taken JT's comments and miss-quoted him so you can't use his statement. JT used marketing spin to tart up his statement if you actually read the original quote from JT you will see this for yourself.
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Lol, guys just realize one thing, he likes to argue. So actually no matter what you say hes Thunderhearts kid. As far as being there since Beta, what game name, cause so have i.
What are you SMOKING?!?!?!
Wow. I'm STUNNED. I try not to call you a Fanboi or rag on you, even when you're obviously WAY off, but by posting this you have just lost ALL credibility with anyone who reads this.
NO ONE but you believes there are 160k subs, not even Smed or Torres. Wow...
Even the biggest NGE fans I know don't think there are more than 50k subs, and all of the evidence points to 33k at most.
Posting somthing like this makes you look like a fool. Seriously, for your own sake, rethink your post and delete it.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Lol, guys just realize one thing, he likes to argue. So actually no matter what you say hes Thunderhearts kid. As far as being there since Beta, what game name, cause so have i.
Ooops times up. Gotta run, gettng the Bayliner out of birthing today, need to find a good spot to sun, lol
Oh noes, you called me names on the interweb!11!!1
lol if it wasn't for people like Obraik the 419 fraudsters would have no one to pray on.
However like i said he can defend his game but to be honest i just laugh at him when he makes claims like those just posted above as it makes him look rather silly and i suspect with him being a uni student still recovering from the alcohol and class A drugs fuelled SWG orgy from night before, hes not quite sure what hes saying yet.
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What are you SMOKING?!?!?!
Wow. I'm STUNNED. I try not to call you a Fanboi or rag on you, even when you're obviously WAY off, but by posting this you have just lost ALL credibility with anyone who reads this.
NO ONE but you believes there are 160k subs, not even Smed or Torres. Wow...
Even the biggest NGE fans I know don't think there are more than 50k subs, and all of the evidence points to 33k at most.
Posting somthing like this makes you look like a fool. Seriously, for your own sake, rethink your post and delete it.
Read the beginning of my reply, it states that I'm basing these figures from Virragos statement that 80% of the pre-nge population is still subscribed...
You are such a moron. A complete fool if you believe that they kept 80% of their accounts.
Engage your brain just for 2 seconds if you can ..... the servers are FREAKING DEAD. You only see EASILY like 10 - 20% of the amount of peolpe you have seen preNGE. I saw a video made recently on NGE PvP ... all of 6 people were involved in Theed. Tho I am sure the are slightly larger "organized" PvP outings.
As far as the numbers go ... it was pretty well common knnowledge that SWG had between 200K and 250K accounts preNGE. This has been reported. It is also common knowledge the numbers that were just obtained by someone during primetime which were around 10,000 people online playing the game. It is also common knowledge that only about a third of an MMO playerbase is playing during the primetiime hours.
It is also common knowledge that revenue is generated by paying accounts .... NOT the number of users. I had 2 accounts while others had as many as 10 accounts. The norm was 2-5 accounts per user. Tho ... you can't play more than one at a time. I seriously doubt that anyone could play 2 combat type toons at the same time. Tho someone COULD have a combat type toon and an afk entertainer going at the same time.
So dude you really are out of touch with reality.
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Former SWG 2yr 7 month Vet
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