Yes but Virrago has taken that 80% from JT's comments made in an interview. Go and read the original statement by JT very carefully and you can see its not what it appears to be, its marketing spin hes not actually said they retained 80% of their player base.
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Originally posted by Obraik Read the beginning of my reply, it states that I'm basing these figures from Virragos statement that 80% of the pre-nge population is still subscribed...
That might well be, but 80% is the number of individual subscribers. Most of those had 2-X accounts active before the NGE, I would expect that a lot of those alt-accounts got cancelled. I wouldn't be surprised if the actual number of active accounts would be around or below 50% of pre NGE.
"LucasArts is hot off what was by far its most successful year ever in 2005, and this new position offers me the welcome challenge of playing an even bigger role in continuing this unprecedented momentum."
It's just gibberish. Marketing jargon bolted together to look like a sentence.
Ah well, congratualtions on the promotion. The higher they are...
Originally posted by Obraik Read the beginning of my reply, it states that I'm basing these figures from Virragos statement that 80% of the pre-nge population is still subscribed...
You are too stupid to think.
Come up with your own numbers and verify them thru legit means. I am sure you can't comprehend this.
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Originally posted by Obraik And where exactly did you whip those numbers up from? Lets do this now, based on the statement from Virrago that 80% of the pre-nge population is still playing (for a worst case scenario)
You are such a moron. A complete fool if you believe that they kept 80% of their accounts.
Engage your brain just for 2 seconds if you can ..... the servers are FREAKING DEAD. You only see EASILY like 10 - 20% of the amount of peolpe you have seen preNGE. I saw a video made recently on NGE PvP ... all of 6 people were involved in Theed. Tho I am sure the are slightly larger "organized" PvP outings.
As far as the numbers go ... it was pretty well common knnowledge that SWG had between 200K and 250K accounts preNGE. This has been reported. It is also common knowledge the numbers that were just obtained by someone during primetime which were around 10,000 people online playing the game. It is also common knowledge that only about a third of an MMO playerbase is playing during the primetiime hours.
It is also common knowledge that revenue is generated by paying accounts .... NOT the number of users. I had 2 accounts while others had as many as 10 accounts. The norm was 2-5 accounts per user. Tho ... you can't play more than one at a time. I seriously doubt that anyone could play 2 combat type toons at the same time. Tho someone COULD have a combat type toon and an afk entertainer going at the same time.
So dude you really are out of touch with reality.
They consider each account to be a different person, or user if you want. If they didn't, when they ban someone with more then one account then they'd ban the others too.
You are not taking into acount the Station Access accounts which they also count towards the total. If the person was enjoying EQ2, they're unlikely to cancel the entire account just because they don't like SWG anymore (of course, some have). They might not log into the game, but they are still considered a subscriber.
Originally posted by Obraik They consider each account to be a different person, or user if you want. If they didn't, when they ban someone with more then one account then they'd ban the others too. You are not taking into acount the Station Access accounts which they also count towards the total. If the person was enjoying EQ2, they're unlikely to cancel the entire account just because they don't like SWG anymore (of course, some have). They might not log into the game, but they are still considered a subscriber.
I would HOPE that they WOULD consider each account as a seperate user. With that being said, it justifies the numbers I came up with.
As far as Station Access accounts ... that is BS. You can NOT even begin to include them. Just because someone has a Station Access account does not mean thay are playing SWG.
The REAL numbers are based on the figures someone obtained by using etherpeek on their pc. This is NOT hacking. I know this because I work in IT for a global company and know how etherpeek and etherreal work. SOE may NOT have wanted these numbers known but it was their fault for brodcasting them to the client machines. Because someone had the knowledge and ability to use this tool and ended up getting the numbers does not make it illegal either.
Only SOE, SONY, and LA and their employees would fuzzy the math by trying to include Station Access accounts in the numbers. You guys REALLY need to listen to what you are shovelling.
BTW ... since you brought up Station Access accounts ... and assuming that a certain percentage "could" be playing SWG and KNOWING that only 10,000 were logged on at primetime .... this would indicate that even MORE people left the game than what originally thought.
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It's common practice to ban accounts, not users. Only in very few cases did SOE resort to actually ban a user from their game and prevented them from opening new accounts.
But we don't know the details of the compensation between $OE and LA. THEY may be paid the same amount no matter how well SWG performs... which would explain a LOT if true.
Which means LA still made the same cash... which means she didn't exactly fail if SWG's success isn't her responsibility.
So therefore.... LA has no reason do not love her.
Let's look at this another way.. The head of the Homeland Security resigns after doing what many consider a bad job. He served W as a happy stooge ant touted the party line, doing everything asked of him. .including fake "terror alerts" to pump campaign numbers. He did nothing positive for the country, yet served W loyally... so he gets the Medal of Freedom.
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Originally posted by Obraik It's funny that you all assume that the NGE has done them bad. Are you sitting down? Holding onto something steady? I have something to say that might just rock your little world: Maybe the NGE hasn't lost them any money at all...
Whatever you are smoking can I have some please? Looks like whatever it is must be some really good stuff!
Originally posted by Obraik Originally posted by azhrarn Originally posted by ObraikIt's funny that you all assume that the NGE has done them bad. Are you sitting down? Holding onto something steady? I have something to say that might just rock your little world: Maybe the NGE hasn't lost them any money at all... Settle down, Darth Maul, we're talking about the chick that told the NYTimes that reading is bad. This is the woman that was SO outrageously insulting to the gaming public that the freaking Christian Science Monitor had to write an article claiming that the NGE was a sign of the decline of modern civilization back into barabrism. My god, man, I like ya, but get a GRIP. I'm not debating that she deserved it or that she's a good person I'm merely stating the obvious that if she had caused the company a loss, they wouldn't be promoting her. FWIW, I don't agree with what she said in the NY Times... As for the 80% thing, yeah they lost 20% pre-NGE subs. However, that doesn't include those that have joined after the NGE which could have made up the different or passed it.
That was a misquote by Viraggo. What was said was that 80% of the current subscribers are veterans. They have far less than 80% of the previous subscribers than they used to. I would say probably in the range fo 20% of its previous subscrbers. Keeping in mind many people (including myself) who quit had multiple accounts.
Originally posted by Fignar Yup couldn't agree more. If Obraik actually believes what he spouts, it kind of makes sense why people would vote WB in for a 2nd term.
It would be best that everyone leave politics out of these forums .... Bush has alot of supporters even if he is handling some situations not as perfectly as someof his supporters would like to see.
So leave the politice out of this forum.
Tho I agree that as long as you make your master happy, even if you do a crappy job, you can still get promoted.
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Originally posted by rc_brooks That was a misquote by Viraggo. What was said was that 80% of the current subscribers are veterans. They have far less than 80% of the previous subscribers than they used to. I would say probably in the range fo 20% of its previous subscrbers. Keeping in mind many people (including myself) who quit had multiple accounts.
Yeah.. but throw a devtracker on his posts and you'll see that he states clearly that 80% of the players stayed, and he sees the numbers so he knows.
Liar Liar Liar
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About the Station Access thing for the folks who aren't sure...If you only had Station Access to play SWG and another game (in my case EQ2), you can cancel the SA pass and when it runs out, just resub your other game's single account. Yeah, you lose the "Exclusive" items and extra slots you get for having SA, but I feel better knowing I'm not counted as a sub for SWG anymore.
It's not that I believe the numbers or not, but it's the only official number that has been published. You all have been asking for an official number, they give it to you and then you all scream "we want numbers that WE think are right!" The workings I did earlier were based on that announced figure to show how much they'd be getting if the number is correct.
I'm sorry, but I can't take those hacked numbers to mean anything, it's my scientific side. Firstly there are no results based on that method from before the NGE and secondly a series of samples were not made.
Originally posted by Obraik It's not that I believe the numbers or not, but it's the only official number that has been published. You all have been asking for an official number, they give it to you and then you all scream "we want numbers that WE think are right!" The workings I did earlier were based on that announced figure to show how much they'd be getting if the number is correct. I'm sorry, but I can't take those hacked numbers to mean anything, it's my scientific side. Firstly there are no results based on that method from before the NGE and secondly a series of samples were not made.
Look Obriak ... you can spin it ANY way you want. We aren't children so don't treat us that way. The numbers SONY, SOE and LA are trying to project to the public are BS. You know it, I know it and EVERYONE with half a brain knows it.
You can look at the amount of players in the game during primetime ... you know the servers are empty, you know that after release and before JTL ALL the servers were listed as Heavy. You know the populations are almost NON existant now compared to preNGE. So do yourself a favor stop with the BS. It makes you and SOE/LA/SONY look like an idiot.
There was another post by someone else that was bored out of his skull and went from one starport to another conducting a planetary search for players of any faction, any profession, any race ... you know what i am talking about. Well he had very similar results as to what someone got from etherpeek. So that was from 2 sources ... one easier than the other. You couple that with being visually able to see people play and you know they are good numbers. I trust etherpeek and etherreal cuz I know what they do.
BTW ... if you think ANYONE in this forum is happy about NOT playing SWG you are wrong .... we just aren't putting up with the BS anymore.
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Originally posted by Sago There was another post by someone else that was bored out of his skull and went from one starport to another conducting a planetary search for players of any faction, any profession, any race ... you know what i am talking about. Well he had very similar results as to what someone got from etherpeek. So that was from 2 sources ... one easier than the other.
I remember that, it was on the offical forums a loooong time ago wasnt it?
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Ok we are thinking different events then. Maybe a month or so after JtL came out some guy went around checking planet pops...was just to prove that like 90% of the population is in space. Totally different things here...just ignore me lol.
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Originally posted by Sago Look Obriak ... you can spin it ANY way you want. We aren't children so don't treat us that way. The numbers SONY, SOE and LA are trying to project to the public are BS. You know it, I know it and EVERYONE with half a brain knows it.
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If you all had read Obriak's post in it's entirety without a preconceived notion that he was wrong, maybe you would see that his "spin" was only a counter-example. Nothing more. It was not designed as a factual statement, merely an example of how someone could "spin" the numbers however they pleased. The fact is that his ability to use that example refutes the made up numbers in the previous post, and I think that was his point. However, nobody here wants to hear that their made up numbers are wrong, and will only accept the SOE and or Obraik's numbers are "lies."
The facts are: nobody knows the true numbers and nobody on these boards can even slightly predict the P&L's of SWG as a game because of it.
Ah, but there are educated guesses. Based off of personal experiences which cannot be refuted as is their nature. There seem to be numerous personal reports that the server populations are down drastically. Present day pics even the optimistic slanted ones are damning proof that the crowded server days are not present. There are questions of time and location but that doesn't matter much considering I played nearly nonstop PreCu and always ran into a crowd.
Seeing pictures and the location polls now indicate to me that no way in hell they are at 80% of what they were before. That is of course unless the number was that insanely low before NGE. Scientific minds may require exact data but one also must remember the 2nd option when data is not exactly obtainable or in this case hidden. Personal observation and samplings. I have yet to see a posted pic that resembles anything like the boom days. If say someone were to do that on a daily basis for a week - then the burden of proof falls upon the naysayers. Until then, the evidence be it personal or through the means of pictures or "hacked" data clearly is the evidence to beat. They point to a significant decline and say that the 80% statement is a lie.
Well pre-NGE, Dant MO was the busiest spaceport. What's it like now? Regardless of the time of day i went there (usually to buy armor components) it was always packed and by default laggy as hell. So, what is it like now??
A few things are giving away that SOE's plans have gone astray.
1. the recent focus groups seem to indicate they are trying to figure out what went wrong.
2. a company that has proven it's willingness to sacrifice veteran players is not doing a structure wipe to make room for the droves of new players they were supposed to get.
3. the forums are still in flames, the only thing that seems to have changed is the names, and it even looks like the new playerbase is complaining more and more.
I had also re-upped to see what was really going on first hand and find that it's not only the bad press/word of mouth and lack of polish killing the changes... it is also a great deal of uncertainty, I mean why buy an expansion for a game from a company that has proven it is more then willing to destroy everything you have striven to gain.
Add to that they never completed the quest/mission conversions so if you do like many did and buy the starter kit you quickly learn that level 40 is about as far as you will go without buying the expansions.
Well I mean think logically. It might have just been a move to get her out of contact with SWG. It just means that she is in charge of marketing and has nothing to do with a developement of a game. There are some times in a the corporate world when someone makes a mistake and you can't fire them so you move them to another department so they won't cause any more mistakes to that product. It could what that rumor states that they are bringing in more people who are actually star wars fans to run SWG. They are getting people involved with the NGE away from the game. That is just my view on it. Maybe something will happen now.
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If you all had read Obriak's post in it's entirety without a preconceived notion that he was wrong, maybe you would see that his "spin" was only a counter-example. Nothing more. It was not designed as a factual statement, merely an example of how someone could "spin" the numbers however they pleased. The fact is that his ability to use that example refutes the made up numbers in the previous post, and I think that was his point. However, nobody here wants to hear that their made up numbers are wrong, and will only accept the SOE and or Obraik's numbers are "lies."
The facts are: nobody knows the true numbers and nobody on these boards can even slightly predict the P&L's of SWG as a game because of it.
I just checked the first link that was written by Torres and it has since been deleted. It was a live link on 2/22/06 as I posted it in the Casey interview thread. Torres post stated they had 250K subs. So cry me a river.
The second link says they sold 1 million units sold. I assume a collective between all the expansions.
5. 70 Developers was documented by Smedley himself. Then add support and management staff.
6. $100K salary and bene's is accurate. I work for a software development comapany (in IT) and I know they make between 65K and 100K depending on level and position.
So what is YOUR problem???? I know ... you just cant handle the truth.
Don't bring your sorry pathetic fanboi "all you people don't know what you are talking about" self in here and tell us we are wrong.
Next timeYOUdoYOURhomework before you run your mouth and say my numbers are made up.
I am NOT the kind of person to just post stuff that I know is false and is NOT derived from fact.
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Yes but Virrago has taken that 80% from JT's comments made in an interview. Go and read the original statement by JT very carefully and you can see its not what it appears to be, its marketing spin hes not actually said they retained 80% of their player base.
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That might well be, but 80% is the number of individual subscribers. Most of those had 2-X accounts active before the NGE, I would expect that a lot of those alt-accounts got cancelled. I wouldn't be surprised if the actual number of active accounts would be around or below 50% of pre NGE.
Edit: Beaten to the reply by 2 people, d'oh!
Typical Mac soundbyte tho.
"LucasArts is hot off what was by far its most successful year ever in 2005, and this new position offers me the welcome challenge of playing an even bigger role in continuing this unprecedented momentum."
It's just gibberish. Marketing jargon bolted together to look like a sentence.
Ah well, congratualtions on the promotion. The higher they are...
You are too stupid to think.
Come up with your own numbers and verify them thru legit means. I am sure you can't comprehend this.
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You are such a moron. A complete fool if you believe that they kept 80% of their accounts.
Engage your brain just for 2 seconds if you can ..... the servers are FREAKING DEAD. You only see EASILY like 10 - 20% of the amount of peolpe you have seen preNGE. I saw a video made recently on NGE PvP ... all of 6 people were involved in Theed. Tho I am sure the are slightly larger "organized" PvP outings.
As far as the numbers go ... it was pretty well common knnowledge that SWG had between 200K and 250K accounts preNGE. This has been reported. It is also common knowledge the numbers that were just obtained by someone during primetime which were around 10,000 people online playing the game. It is also common knowledge that only about a third of an MMO playerbase is playing during the primetiime hours.
It is also common knowledge that revenue is generated by paying accounts .... NOT the number of users. I had 2 accounts while others had as many as 10 accounts. The norm was 2-5 accounts per user. Tho ... you can't play more than one at a time. I seriously doubt that anyone could play 2 combat type toons at the same time. Tho someone COULD have a combat type toon and an afk entertainer going at the same time.
So dude you really are out of touch with reality.
They consider each account to be a different person, or user if you want. If they didn't, when they ban someone with more then one account then they'd ban the others too.
You are not taking into acount the Station Access accounts which they also count towards the total. If the person was enjoying EQ2, they're unlikely to cancel the entire account just because they don't like SWG anymore (of course, some have). They might not log into the game, but they are still considered a subscriber.
I would HOPE that they WOULD consider each account as a seperate user. With that being said, it justifies the numbers I came up with.
As far as Station Access accounts ... that is BS. You can NOT even begin to include them. Just because someone has a Station Access account does not mean thay are playing SWG.
The REAL numbers are based on the figures someone obtained by using etherpeek on their pc. This is NOT hacking. I know this because I work in IT for a global company and know how etherpeek and etherreal work. SOE may NOT have wanted these numbers known but it was their fault for brodcasting them to the client machines. Because someone had the knowledge and ability to use this tool and ended up getting the numbers does not make it illegal either.
Only SOE, SONY, and LA and their employees would fuzzy the math by trying to include Station Access accounts in the numbers. You guys REALLY need to listen to what you are shovelling.
BTW ... since you brought up Station Access accounts ... and assuming that a certain percentage "could" be playing SWG and KNOWING that only 10,000 were logged on at primetime .... this would indicate that even MORE people left the game than what originally thought.
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LMAO, you're grasping at straws now.
It's common practice to ban accounts, not users. Only in very few cases did SOE resort to actually ban a user from their game and prevented them from opening new accounts.
Just to come out of left field here...
But we don't know the details of the compensation between $OE and LA. THEY may be paid the same amount no matter how well SWG performs... which would explain a LOT if true.
Which means LA still made the same cash... which means she didn't exactly fail if SWG's success isn't her responsibility.
So therefore.... LA has no reason do not love her.
Let's look at this another way.. The head of the Homeland Security resigns after doing what many consider a bad job. He served W as a happy stooge ant touted the party line, doing everything asked of him. .including fake "terror alerts" to pump campaign numbers. He did nothing positive for the country, yet served W loyally... so he gets the Medal of Freedom.
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Yup couldn't agree more.
If Obraik actually believes what he spouts, it kind of makes sense why people would vote WB in for a 2nd term.
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That was a misquote by Viraggo. What was said was that 80% of the current subscribers are veterans. They have far less than 80% of the previous subscribers than they used to. I would say probably in the range fo 20% of its previous subscrbers. Keeping in mind many people (including myself) who quit had multiple accounts.
It would be best that everyone leave politics out of these forums .... Bush has alot of supporters even if he is handling some situations not as perfectly as someof his supporters would like to see.
So leave the politice out of this forum.
Tho I agree that as long as you make your master happy, even if you do a crappy job, you can still get promoted.
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Yeah.. but throw a devtracker on his posts and you'll see that he states clearly that 80% of the players stayed, and he sees the numbers so he knows.
Liar Liar Liar
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About the Station Access thing for the folks who aren't sure...If you only had Station Access to play SWG and another game (in my case EQ2), you can cancel the SA pass and when it runs out, just resub your other game's single account. Yeah, you lose the "Exclusive" items and extra slots you get for having SA, but I feel better knowing I'm not counted as a sub for SWG anymore.
It's not that I believe the numbers or not, but it's the only official number that has been published. You all have been asking for an official number, they give it to you and then you all scream "we want numbers that WE think are right!" The workings I did earlier were based on that announced figure to show how much they'd be getting if the number is correct.
I'm sorry, but I can't take those hacked numbers to mean anything, it's my scientific side. Firstly there are no results based on that method from before the NGE and secondly a series of samples were not made.
Look Obriak ... you can spin it ANY way you want. We aren't children so don't treat us that way. The numbers SONY, SOE and LA are trying to project to the public are BS. You know it, I know it and EVERYONE with half a brain knows it.
You can look at the amount of players in the game during primetime ... you know the servers are empty, you know that after release and before JTL ALL the servers were listed as Heavy. You know the populations are almost NON existant now compared to preNGE. So do yourself a favor stop with the BS. It makes you and SOE/LA/SONY look like an idiot.
There was another post by someone else that was bored out of his skull and went from one starport to another conducting a planetary search for players of any faction, any profession, any race ... you know what i am talking about. Well he had very similar results as to what someone got from etherpeek. So that was from 2 sources ... one easier than the other. You couple that with being visually able to see people play and you know they are good numbers. I trust etherpeek and etherreal cuz I know what they do.
BTW ... if you think ANYONE in this forum is happy about NOT playing SWG you are wrong .... we just aren't putting up with the BS anymore.
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I remember that, it was on the offical forums a loooong time ago wasnt it?
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
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Ok we are thinking different events then. Maybe a month or so after JtL came out some guy went around checking planet pops...was just to prove that like 90% of the population is in space. Totally different things here...just ignore me lol.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
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If you all had read Obriak's post in it's entirety without a preconceived notion that he was wrong, maybe you would see that his "spin" was only a counter-example. Nothing more. It was not designed as a factual statement, merely an example of how someone could "spin" the numbers however they pleased. The fact is that his ability to use that example refutes the made up numbers in the previous post, and I think that was his point. However, nobody here wants to hear that their made up numbers are wrong, and will only accept the SOE and or Obraik's numbers are "lies."
The facts are: nobody knows the true numbers and nobody on these boards can even slightly predict the P&L's of SWG as a game because of it.
Ah, but there are educated guesses. Based off of personal experiences which cannot be refuted as is their nature. There seem to be numerous personal reports that the server populations are down drastically. Present day pics even the optimistic slanted ones are damning proof that the crowded server days are not present. There are questions of time and location but that doesn't matter much considering I played nearly nonstop PreCu and always ran into a crowd.
Seeing pictures and the location polls now indicate to me that no way in hell they are at 80% of what they were before. That is of course unless the number was that insanely low before NGE. Scientific minds may require exact data but one also must remember the 2nd option when data is not exactly obtainable or in this case hidden. Personal observation and samplings. I have yet to see a posted pic that resembles anything like the boom days. If say someone were to do that on a daily basis for a week - then the burden of proof falls upon the naysayers. Until then, the evidence be it personal or through the means of pictures or "hacked" data clearly is the evidence to beat. They point to a significant decline and say that the 80% statement is a lie.
A few things are giving away that SOE's plans have gone astray.
1. the recent focus groups seem to indicate they are trying to figure out what went wrong.
2. a company that has proven it's willingness to sacrifice veteran players is not doing a structure wipe to make room for the droves of new players they were supposed to get.
3. the forums are still in flames, the only thing that seems to have changed is the names, and it even looks like the new playerbase is complaining more and more.
I had also re-upped to see what was really going on first hand and find that it's not only the bad press/word of mouth and lack of polish killing the changes... it is also a great deal of uncertainty, I mean why buy an expansion for a game from a company that has proven it is more then willing to destroy everything you have striven to gain.
Add to that they never completed the quest/mission conversions so if you do like many did and buy the starter kit you quickly learn that level 40 is about as far as you will go without buying the expansions.
Well I mean think logically. It might have just been a move to get her out of contact with SWG. It just means that she is in charge of marketing and has nothing to do with a developement of a game. There are some times in a the corporate world when someone makes a mistake and you can't fire them so you move them to another department so they won't cause any more mistakes to that product. It could what that rumor states that they are bringing in more people who are actually star wars fans to run SWG. They are getting people involved with the NGE away from the game. That is just my view on it. Maybe something will happen now.
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If you all had read Obriak's post in it's entirety without a preconceived notion that he was wrong, maybe you would see that his "spin" was only a counter-example. Nothing more. It was not designed as a factual statement, merely an example of how someone could "spin" the numbers however they pleased. The fact is that his ability to use that example refutes the made up numbers in the previous post, and I think that was his point. However, nobody here wants to hear that their made up numbers are wrong, and will only accept the SOE and or Obraik's numbers are "lies."
The facts are: nobody knows the true numbers and nobody on these boards can even slightly predict the P&L's of SWG as a game because of it.
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Made up numbers? Let me see .......
BTW ... I take your accusation that my numbers are "made up" as a direct insult to my integrity .... so here it comes:
1. $15 dollars a month subscriber fee is accurate/real
2. $30 per expansion is accurate/real
3. my math is correct
4. # of accounts ... is documented as well as what has been consistantly reported by all the major gaming websites:
The truth on numbers - Casey lies like a rug:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=DevDiscussion&message.id=23049#M23049
and another referencing 1 million units being sold - tho I had 2 accounts and bought 2 copies:
http://www.lucasarts.com/games/swgalaxies_trials/
I just checked the first link that was written by Torres and it has since been deleted. It was a live link on 2/22/06 as I posted it in the Casey interview thread. Torres post stated they had 250K subs. So cry me a river.
The second link says they sold 1 million units sold. I assume a collective between all the expansions.
5. 70 Developers was documented by Smedley himself. Then add support and management staff.
6. $100K salary and bene's is accurate. I work for a software development comapany (in IT) and I know they make between 65K and 100K depending on level and position.
So what is YOUR problem???? I know ... you just cant handle the truth.
Don't bring your sorry pathetic fanboi "all you people don't know what you are talking about" self in here and tell us we are wrong.
Next time YOU do YOUR homework before you run your mouth and say my numbers are made up.
I am NOT the kind of person to just post stuff that I know is false and is NOT derived from fact.
Sago Mactow
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