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pingo
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Sigh... Im going insane. Im simply about to go insane here mates.
Im not a long time MMORPGer. Starwars Galaxies was the only one I really liked. I didn't last after CU. Since then, and after the more hopelessly NGE, I have played litterly over 30 other MMOs. Many asian and I dont know how many trials. I... Im going to be sick. Im litterly going to throw off if I have to play a static questy game like WoW again.
Why is there nothing out there like SWG? There is ABSOLUTELY nothing I can play or enjoy. I knew that combat and some stuff always sucked in SWG, but honestly looking back, it was such a VERY small price to pay for all the other things that game had, from awesome character creation, interesting open ended skill system, awesome world(its starwars for gods sakes), uniqe presentation(no more goddam elves and orcs but cool and different races like wookies and mon cals)...
I want it back. The sense that I dont have to fight over loot in a group, but went out to crafters and bought items from other stores. having that true sense that the players created and affected the world. building my own player city.. hanging out with my guild. The old fun naff runs in coronet. I really really miss does times, and it simply boggles me that there seems to be nothing else for one like me that just want that back.
A game that had the same awesome community. the same feeling and strengths and philosphy. I want to walk into an cantina again and be meet by people who want to be social, and play with a community like there was in SWG. Where many where older gamers... mostly fans from the films, from when they where kids or teenagers in the 70s.
Its been almost 7 months I last played, and im still checking the forums daily and stuff. I just simply cant stop thinking about it. And it was not because I was uber hardcore anything. not at all. I was just an entertainer and never really achived much or anything worth of mentioning other than I was another player who had fun. Now thats gone and I simply feel that there is no game out there for me with the same ideals.
I was told by some others that, SWG originally was the only true "succesor" in concept and spirit to UO, which is very different from all the EQ and WoWish games.
Why won't Ralph koaster do anything? WHy is he letting them do this to HIS game? Why did he just leave? I simply just have a hard time beliving it... I doubt I will ever be able to enjoy anything different from this ever. SWG was my "honeymoon" game, and it was how I thought a MMO should be done. That it was what it is about for me.
I don't see games like WoW as MMOs. Just oversized Diablo with cute graphics. sigh.. Is there anything that will be remotely close to SWG on the way? Dark and light seems to have been flushed down the toilet... what really is left with all these ideals that SWG wanted?
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I know exactly how you feel man. SWG was my 1st, and the only MMO ive ever felt comfortable with. Ive played EQ2, FFXI, GW, AO, CoH/V, and WoW. All of them were somewhat satisfying for me, but only for about 1 day(AO) to 2 or 3 months(WoW and GW).
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
Thanks for replying mate:) Really appreciate it.
I played all of does games to(except for FFXI). I really like Guild Wars, but it's not really a MMORPG, and I play that as a side thing. Found some nice people and have a little bit of fun on the pvp side, but I really like it. Nice developers. GW is just not a MMO. Its a really awesome game though.
I just want something like galaxies again:(
It was hard for me to get into what Guild Wars really is, because I dont pvp. I havnt pvp'ed since my days in SWG, proving noobs that BH/Pistoleers or BH/Carbineers can get the job done quite effectively, and FOTM's are for douches.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
Its true what you stated, SWG was the successor to Ultima. Both were developed by Ralph Koster, a man who believes in sandbox style gameplay and skill systems.
I went down the list also, trying everything including some beta versions. Not a single one can touch SWG pre-cu. EVE isnt bad but like the rest on the list its missing key features from SWG.
Its like I cant play a MMO unless it has several of things I missed from SWG.
Housing - I want it in-game and able to place it anywhere I please. I despise instanced housing like in EQ2. What the hell is even the point of having a house if you cant show it off to others ?
Vendors - i love having my own shop with my own npc vendors that sell my stuff. I cant stand systems like WoW with nothing but an auction house to sell stuff.
crafting - every game out there allows everyone to take up crafting as a SECONDARY skill, big mistake. Taking up crafting like one did in SWG meant giving up combat skills. This sacrifice meant more dedication to crafting and less products on the market. Also, resources with shifting stats is simply a brilliant system.
non-combat professions - I probably spent a year with my droid engineer before I ever bothered to kill anything. The beauty of SWG was not being forced into combat. Name another MMO that has Image Designers, politicians, chef's, etc as a choice.
changing professions - i simply hate games like WoW where I cant change my class/profession bleh. Some may argue that I could just make another toon since most MMO's dont limit you to one toon per server like SWG did. I would argue that allowing multiple toons per server is why those MMO communities suck. A player isnt bound to act civil when they arent that attached to their toon. They can always play their alts or delete and start over. Folks lived and died with their rep in SWG and the community was superior because of it.
Whats really bad is there doesnt seem to be any replacements coming in the future. It might be 2014 before we see another skill basd game launch. So far we have all level based games coming with most (if not all) centered on questing like WoW.
Some are planning on playing those emulators being made of SWG pre-cu. Im not so sure the gameplay will be all that great though as its unlikely the server size will be similiar to SOE's. I may try them if a rollback doesnt happen. Yes, I still hope a rollback or classic server will come.
I feel your pain. Daily. Irrationally. And it makes me crazy just thinking about it. It is, and this is no joke, worse than the time I quit smoking for three months. It literally feels similar to when my best friend died, only without the survivor's guilt. The sense of loss has not faded and the degree of the feeling is (IMO) out of proportion to simply losing a game. The entire thing is outrageous and irrational in ways I have difficulty explaining.
I'm one of the teenagers that went to see the first movie, which we will always think of as simply Star Wars rather than Episode 4 or whatever people call it now. And it DID make me a lifelong fan. So I completely relate to what you've said here, especially in regard to the old SWG community. It was a once in a lifetime thing, only found in SWG, and I enjoyed the honor of playing with them, getting to know them and sharing a part in our virtual world very much.
Having been an entertainer and having spent hours of time in the company of entertainers, I can only say that those who spent their time in the cantinas at the keyboard (and contrary to popular legend, many did before the CU) can never say that they achieved nothing worth mentioning. They healed, buffed, entertained and gave encouragement to most of the community, providing a thriving and healthy social backbone to a game that relied on the community itself to create and keep alive content. And unlike combat professions or crafting professions, entertainers were never garaunteed any financial or material reward for their service.
And the oddest thing was, even without the garauntee, the community was with them, often making sure that an entertainer could afford showy clothing, training (in those rare instances when some couldn't just get trained up by their fellow entertainers), housing and more. I can't name another game where there was such an intertwined and supportive community. And I've played quite a few.
Maybe this is why, after all this time, I still haunt the forums and still vocally mourn the passing of the game. It is like being thrown out of paradise, only I didn't listen to a serpent or eat any forbidden fruit -- unless that fruit was fun and friendship and the serpent was my fellow players.
I don't have anything to say that could possibly make it any easier for you. I don't have any nuggets of hope that there will be another game like this in the forseeable future to give you. All I can do is commiserate with you and say "I know what you mean and I feel the same way".
And maybe give you a big picket sign that says "IF THERE IS NO MARKET FOR THE VIRTUAL SANDBOX, THEN WHY ARE THERE SO MANY GAMELESS EXILES?"
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I know how you all feel.
What bothers me the most is that we simply CANNOT play our old game. Usually you get tired of a MMORPG but you always come back sooner or later, now that we CAN'T I am also going mad.
They really are the worst types of developers to date. No freaking discussion about it.
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
I just don't know mate... I really tried to like the game. I tried to enjoy the NGE but I just couldnt. For me it was not about the combat.
It was just that the things they changed killed so much else in the proces... Last time I checked on it, coronet was completely dead in prime time. It felt sick and strange and I was sad, to see that this was once the great laggy hub you loved and hated to enter at the same time full of many hundreds of people. Not a single person there now... everyone in my guild is gone. Everyone has litterly packed.
It's funny... I think SWG is the only game I have ever played where I actually stopped and just looked at the view. the sunrise on Corellia... Standing out in the fields and seeing the fauna and wild animals and their cubs.¨
I wish Lucas would just call it back... a total recall. shut the servers down, and put it back at the way it was... give it 5 months serious development with a new team, put it online again and change things... make it in sync with some script made by Lucas. anything... move the storyline. bring back the "core design". instead of this... static wow quest and real time combat that simply does not work:-(
the movies are no more. I think so many millions of people still want to experience starwars, and this MMO was the perfect way to do it.
Hi
Its nice to see a few more people that can´t let the the old SWG fade out of there head´s. I´m also struggeling to find a new MMO to replace the empty space. I even tried it now after NGE, my old char is now dead tho I prolly never will log on again...
I share your thoughts/ Mats
I just don't know mate... I really tried to like the game. I tried to enjoy the NGE but I just couldnt. For me it was not about the combat.
It was just that the things they changed killed so much else in the proces... Last time I checked on it, coronet was completely dead in prime time. It felt sick and strange and I was sad, to see that this was once the great laggy hub you loved and hated to enter at the same time full of many hundreds of people. Not a single person there now... everyone in my guild is gone. Everyone has litterly packed.
It's funny... I think SWG is the only game I have ever played where I actually stopped and just looked at the view. the sunrise on Corellia... Standing out in the fields and seeing the fauna and wild animals and their cubs.¨
I wish Lucas would just call it back... a total recall. shut the servers down, and put it back at the way it was... give it 5 months serious development with a new team, put it online again and change things... make it in sync with some script made by Lucas. anything... move the storyline. bring back the "core design". instead of this... static wow quest and real time combat that simply does not work:-(
the movies are no more. I think so many millions of people still want to experience starwars, and this MMO was the perfect way to do it.
Coronet has been dead a long time, long before the NGE. Theed is where it's happening nowadays, on Chilastra anyway
Each day I vist the Theed cantina to get an Armoursmith buff and it's pretty lively with people roleplaying, chatting and just having fun in general and the people there are all ATK. Pre-NGE the cantinas were artifically full, alot of people but only a few were actually there. Maybe when I visit tomorrow I'll start up Fraps and capture a portion of it 
Chilastra also has a pretty active guild that is made up completely of Entertainers.
Obraik , if there is anything you should not do it is try to convince others that they can go back to SWG, and still involve themselves in what they loved about the old game. There is very little left of what was once there . IMO ,most who have gone back on such a whim , have been extremely disappointed .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Agree with you bro .... 150%.
Watch Vanguarg: Saga of Hero's
This will be released this summer. They just started Beta 3. They have everything SWG had except it is in medevil times. Yes I know ... it isn't sci-fi. But it will have everything SWG had.
http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/index.php
http://wiki.silkyvenom.com/index.php/Category:Adventuring_Classes
http://www.silkyvenom.com/pages/faq.php
http://www.vanguardsoh.com/
I am not Beta testing yet so (tho I did get the invite like hudreds of other people, just not selected ... yet) I can't say as to how it all looks and feels but this looks like it could be a winner. I have seen screens and the in-game gui looks very similar to SWG.
Sago Mactow
Former SWG 2yr 7 month Vet
6/26/03 - 1/26/06
Jedi, Master Shipwright, Master Architect
DFR Councilman
Tarq Server
Originally posted by Obraik
Ya know, even in the NGE I do still do alot of the stuff you liked about pre-cu...
Waits for the above to break out is pets (kima woudl be fine there)
Waits for the above to change his character professions as his focus in the game changes.
Waits for the above to try to type a meaningful sentence in the middle of combat. (and not die)
Waits for the above to craft me some nice tissues for a product i want to make for someone.
Waits for the above to explain to me why rangers, riflemen, ALL the melee professions had to go away. And why we JUST had to have all the crafters and entertainer got shoved into one "class" each, then when they get new content is NOTHING more than making them more combat cabable?
Coronet died when the CU went live. That was the beginning of the end.
Waits for Obraik to heal someone body, fatigue and mind, while holding a spirited conversation on why the Empire must be defeated (or must prevail)...
Waits for Obraik to dance AND make her a nice trader's bodysuit...
Waits for Obraik to be the 20th man on a full team of any sort...
Waits for Obraik to "dance" with a pikeman in the Jundland Wastes and make her cry because it is just *too* beautiful...
Really, Obraik, you can't do ANY of those things. Not because you're not skilled, but because it is simply no longer possible.
There was NOTHING as beautiful as a duel between a jedi and a pikeman. Not even the old 20-ent coordinated band-and-dance extravaganzas could compare, and THOSE were simply amazing. Both are gone, never to be seen again except maybe in very old playermade videos.
All I got in return were migraine-inducing, immersion-wrecking particle effects that couldn't be completely turned off and a very sore right wrist and fingers.
Maybe you're only selectively and marginally social. Maybe the complexity and beauty of fight choreography doesn't make your heart beat faster. Maybe you're one of those people who doesn't want to focus on more than one type of skill at a time... it's the only way I can think that someone could do anything but hate and resent the number of truely fantastic things that were taken away. But most of us who have departed from the game but cannot be rid of the desire to play what we used to play aren't like that. What is left looks to us like a mangled and vandalized parody of SWG.
Trying to extend false hopes and encourage toned-down expectations is cruel. NGE ISN'T SWG. It's something different, and to many of us, inferior. It's something that doesn't satisfy even our more basic gaming needs. And frankly, sometimes it becomes infuriating to try to explain that basic concept to the same people over, and over, and over again. Just because one person is just as happy eating a McDonald's hamburger as he is eating a filet mignon doesn't mean that the person who can't abide having his filet taken away and replaced with the McDonald's burger doesn't have a real and valid grievance. It just means that the man who likes the burger just as well and talks about how good it is, is happy with an unacceptible situation. Because we all paid for the filet and a good many of us can't stand the hamburger.
SWG was a the filet mignon of MMOs. NGE is just another McDonald's hamburger.
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Im right there with all of you who cant find a replacement for the pre-CU SWG. I simply cant play WoW, theres no way in hell im paying for a game that is that boring. If i would never buy a single player game that is that boring, why would i pay MONTHLY to play it with other people.
SWG has left a huge hole in my gaming life.
So much pain on this forum...tangible almost. My fellow mourners, you as well I are victims of something even more sinister, even more devious than the dark Sith. At least they fight with passion, revel in chaos. SOE? They're just sucking people dry month by month like a great neutral parasite that has no idea of right or wrong.
However...
Be mindful not to place pre CU pre NGE SWG on a pedestal that will crumble. Before all that JTL and other expansion crap came around, I left SWG because it had changed. It wasn't the same game as it was back in the days. Those terrible upgrades from the devs has made us blind, there were indeed issues to be dealt with even in the "classic" times.
[quote]Originally posted by azhrarn
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But most of us who have departed from the game but cannot be rid of the desire to play what we used to play aren't like that. What is left looks to us like a mangled and vandalized parody of SWG./b][/quote]
I wish I could have played SWG with you... Actually, I wish I could have had you for a client in my Entertainment Agency. You see.. we get it. We're the type of player that made this game actually LIVE for two years of being mostly ignored.
We did player events.. socialized.. were the life on the servers. Because we enjoyed the game for what it was.. free and fun.
Now it isn't.
The difference for me is like when we'd play, say Pac Man, in the arcade... then get the Atari 2600 version. The nge is SWG2600.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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I agree with the sentiments here too. I temporarily cancelled around September '05 for RL reasons, resubbed 4 weeks ago. I'd heard all the horror stories of the NGE, but thought, "They're exaggerating. The CU was a wrench too, but I adapted and learned to have fun with that." I wish I'd listened. The NGE has soiled those special memories. My account runs out tomorrow, for good; I'd planned to log in one last time to get screenshots of my character, house, player city, etc. (I lost all my old screenies when my last computer died), but I can't even make myself do it. Even so, it's taking me time to actually accept the idea that I no longer play SWG, ever.
I keep reading the forums out of habit. The Dev Tracker gives me a mixture of feelings, but the main one is embarrassment at the clueless floundering of the current devs.
They're desperately clutching at straws, trying to restore pre-NGE elements to placate the veterans, but still unwilling (or more likely, not allowed by senior management) to veer from the instant-gratification simplify-everything model that spawned the NGE. I really feel sorry for any decent creative people that might still be working on SWG.
Worse yet is reading the Eclipse galaxy forum. That used to be such a great community and a cool place to hang out. I spent even more time there than in the game, especially after the CU. Now most of the good people are gone, and it's reduced to "I PWNZZORED JOO" threads, "I QUIT" threads, and game discussions that involve vets laughing at the crazy design decisions, and the few pro-NGE players screaming at them. Sad, sad.
Anyway, the only games I'm really looking at for the future are Roma Victor and Hero's Journey. RV's setting excites me - I love the ancient world even more than the SW universe - but HJ does look very intriguing, and offers at least some of the things I loved about SWG.
I think it's best to just try to accept that there will never be another SWG, and move on.
Dasharr Eandall, SWG, Smuggler/Pistoleer (retired after 2.5+ years)
Is that Dasharr? The smuggler who never got to smuggle?
What a small world...
I'm a big ol' fluffy carewolf. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Dasharr Eandall, SWG, Smuggler/Pistoleer (retired after 2.5+ years)