He was one shotted at 25 by someone far higher then him who probably worked his skills far longer then him making the 30 far far stronger then his 25 ? Yeah you proved one hell of a point there...
Gee, the description on the back of the game box exaggerated the game. I guess since every game box in existence has done this very thing, this fails to villianize the game. I went through a lot of the games I purchased or pirated over the years and a lot of them, no all of them, exaggerated the features of the game on the back of the game box.
They had beta testing for a month and a good chunk of the players stayed to play the game and pay for it. This speaks more for itself than the back of the game box. At least you made an articulate opinion on the game instead of using kiddie insults. You may get some flames and some who disagree but it at least commands respect.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
True Neutral Half-Elf Ranger Mage Follower Of Silvanus
This will be my last post in the RFO forums. Here's why: everyone who supports this game is a complete idiot. I don't have to prove that, because the people who agree with me need only to read your posts to realize just how shallow you really are, and if you don't agree with me, you're one of those very idiots who are beyond all hope anyway. Many of you are probably calling me shallow and immature for making a personal jab at all of this game's supporters. You're right. But you're still idiots.
Now, on to my main point:
This game has less content than almost any MMO available on the market. It lacks character customization of any kind. Its economy is totally lacking and PvP is simply no-skill zerg rushes and a numbers game. Potion spamming reaches epic proportions. Crafting is totally pointless since all the intense weapons are gotten by farming. PvE is nonexistant. The graphics are only so-so, the lag is horrible, and the UI is one of the worst if not the absolute worst out of all MMOs available on the market today. Oh, and of all things, the translation, which is essentially ALL that CM really changed about the game, is piss-poor and practically Engrish. Despite this total lack of content, it's still going for the same box price and the same monthly fee as even the best games on the market. If you feel like you can refute any of that, be my guest, but just know that I won't read it, only other idiots will care what you have to say, and you really need to eat a dong. Immature? Just put that dong in your mouth and quit bitching.
Insert generic anime quote/My Chemical Romance lyrics here.
"This will be my last post in the RFO forums. Here's why: everyone who supports this game is a complete idiot. I don't have to prove that, because the people who agree with me need only to read your posts to realize just how shallow you really are, and if you don't agree with me, you're one of those very idiots who are beyond all hope anyway. Many of you are probably calling me shallow and immature for making a personal jab at all of this game's supporters. You're right. But you're still idiots."
Yup you guys really did your homework, when you say this game is crap, there is no lore, fan site dont give crap information. Your are just here to get the attention a newborn needs from is mommy.
One suggestion go look at this site just for the heck of it.
Dont know plenty of stuff to look at to make a good idea of what is what in this game in video form
After all if you were more or less smart you know by now that a box is just that a box. I have never even look at the box of a game to buy it. I go to ho ya right fan sites that dont report half ass opinion but rather fact of the game itself. Personnaly I never read forum opinion for any game they just suck in general so much bias opinions its a waste of time. Read and download video and try the game demo or trial or beta if you can. Than if you not happy with the game just move on. If anyone still think a box is always should be the truth, than I suggest you sue those cereal box compagnies lol.
Haha, funny how, when I posted, I refuted most of his arguments with actual facts about how the OP was wrong. Yet no one acknowledges it. You are all so set on your opinions that you don't even read facts anymore. You just come up with crazy reasons to affirm your belief. This is no longer a forums, it is a bunch of people with mouths but no ears.
If you think the box is so much of a LIE why dont you sue them for it? You know what I think I got buy half of all the computer games at my local EBgames and sue them all since I will surely find something that is just a big lie on the box and show them all that false advertising they shouldnt do that. Maybe I sit in front of my TV tape all those infomercials with there crap and sue them also for false avertising yay, going to be rich hehe.
I responsible consummer never buys because of the pretty box, a responsable consummer learn to research the product he intends to purchase.
But maybe you the type of comsummer that goes, You sir or m'am this offer is only good for the next 10 minutes call now before we are all out of those. Don't forget if you call now we will only charge you for a 6 monthly installments of 99.99 for that nice woop ass.
LOL you people are to much ... the simple fact is that if you don't like the game then move on.
There will always be people who like every game, some more then others. That doesn't mean everyone who dislikes a game needs to hate and do immature name calling on people that do like the game. Get over it and move on to something you do like.
NO game can appeal to everyone, and NO game should be purchased simply because of the advertising ploys used by the companies or stores selling them. The fact is many of the statements on the box are as much half lies as half truths and as such is why no one would win a lawsuit on it. Find me a game right now that doesn't have half truths or exaderations on the box and you my friend have found a rare gem indeed.
I know since some posters here can't handle mature discussion and that I will be getting flamed for making this but it doesn't matter because as much as you want to say I may be being a "fanboi", noob or 1 sided it couldn't be farther from the truth. I am a veteran of at least a dozen MMO's and have played majority of the rest for 1-3 months to get an idea of what they were like. And yes I like some better then others and flat out dislike a few but I would never go to a game site or game section of the ones I did not like and sit there and flame on it.
Complete idiocy is what that would be, and for people to sit here and troll a forum of a game they apparently hate by flaming the people that do like it is completely absurd. Ok so apparently you think people who like this game are idiots? What the hell does that make you for posting here? Likely a bigger idiot for continuing to waste your time on some game you can't stand and more likely a loser with nothing else better to do then troll forums for people to hate on.
The fact is when I don't like a game, I stop playing it or I simply do not buy it. If you blindly purchased a game without first doing some research into it then you deserve what you got. Everyones done it at least once, I'm sure I got a handful of games collecting dust on the shelf that didn't suit me but tough shit, thats life. Thats why MMO give u 30 days free, if you don't like it then move on, and even if you only played for 2 weeks to come to that assumption, for $50 2 weeks is quite often more then you would have got out of 80% of console games out there.
Most MMO have a 3 month (or less) life in my book, It is very few that have had enuff content, or grind to last longer then that and as such there are people out there looking for something different. That does not mean that 3 month MMO's are a bad thing though, its far greater then a typical console game which claims to have repeat play value, but usually does not and only lasts 15 hours.
This is where I find myself - I know for a fact that I will get bored of RFO and stop playing within 3 months, no doubt. But atm this game is sufficient enough and different enough scenery to keep me entertained for a while. Is it the only game I play? Definately not. But it will still provide me with a different take on gaming then I have experienced lately.
Does this game have a great story, super quests & lore?
I would say its an average story, It has an interesting lore story prelude to current game events on the website but thats really about it. Not much of anything in game.
No super quests. The quests are typical MMO kill x mobs y times quests that almost every single MMO has a ton of. Sure some games like WoW may have a ton more quests, but even in WoW majority of the quests you obtain are still this very basic concept of kill x mobs y times. This is an MMO standard and not even worthy of bashing this game for. But no it has nothing special to add either. There are really very few MMO out there that have many quests with a point, most are just used as time fillers and it is actually kind of refreshing to not have to waste my time on filler quests for this game like I always end up doing with other games that are just going to get me no where anyways. The quests in this game are a simple concept. You do them and you actually get good rewards, I am always happy to get my payout for these quests as its always a decent amount of $, exp & items.
It has no in game revolving story yet aside from player created and it has very little to none NPC interaction (besides shops of course). This I think is what seems to piss a lot of people off but the simple fact is many MMO's just have tons of filler NPC's and huge pointless cities that don't really do shit anyways except give u more repetative x & y quests or point a & b quests between pointless npc's and to me its actually kind of releiving to not have to be bothered by a ton of pointless NPC's getting in my way for no reason.
Having said that I still do like some MMO's with the pointless NPC's to be bothered by but that depends on the game. In the end I do not want and am totally sick of every MMO getting repetative and being clones of each other. Thats why some of the simplicity factors of this game are actually fun. No it isn't overflowing with content but for some people this can be fun for them for a while and it doesn't give people not interested the right to call them names and flame them for it. It doesn't mean they are shallow or idiots for wanting to play this game for a while. But there is no reason to not play this if it interests you, It has some fun factors and in the end that is all that matters until we start to get some new decent games on the market with depth. At least RFO provides a decent challenge and I don't feel like my hand is being held as I play it to complete my tasks and level.
And No this sure as hell isn't the best game out there and fuck ya it was way over hyped on some game sites, especially this one. But that doesn't matter and for anyone who bought it blindly, you deserve what you got. Learn to do your research before you buy, there were many sites out there in English from players who had beta tested or played this game in other markets before it hit here. The facts were out there, you just didn't bother to look.
I'm sorry Kainsdoom but I'm not sure you understood the OP's post. The back of the box is at best a huge exageration, and at worst complete horse sh*t. It is not our responsibility as consumers to assume that Codemasters is lying to us and to "do [our] research", it is Codemasters responsibility to accurately describe the product we are purchasing both on the packaging and the website, something they simply did not do.
It's great that some people like the game, I'm sure it's a good example of what it wants to be. Unfortunately, it's not what Codemasters told me it would be.
To everyone who is unhappy with the game, do what I did. I sent my copy direct to Codemasters along with my game key and I explained how dissapointed I was with the game after reading the fabrication on the back of the box. I received a cheque for £29.99 yesterday.
"Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."
And it seems most of the fanboys have had so much experience they are now at level cap.
Sad really... truly sad. The more people suck up drivel and pay for it, the more developers will just cater to the idiotic masses and create the bare minimum of what they think is required to have a monthly fee attached. The masses will just suck it up and blindly defend it until one day they realize they are paying monthly fees for the equivelent of popping plastic bubble wrap - then they will buy the expansion. lol Slap a couple cute anime inspired images on the bubble wrap and they will think it is a godsend. Some of us can see the signal being sent by these idiots to developers and can't help but be a little outraged. Truly - in overall quality of product can anyone here say RF stacks up against any other current major MMO? (get WoW out of your head fanboy, it's not the only MMO) No it doesn't, not even close at any level. But - they charged the same as other MMOs, (grinning all the way to the bank) and some idiots think that is acceptable. Well then, let's tell Hyundai they can now charge the same as Lexus - less is more after all and quality doesn't matter does it?
The RF fans are an odd crowd - those that basically chant less is more and we don't want anything that would require us to read or think. They seem truly frightened of a challenging combat system, engrossing story or detailed environments. Basically it's just easy mode and they are ashamed to admit it so they fight tooth and nail to defend any flaw.
So go ahead, suck it up. Swallow the shallow BS. Enjoy your virtual bubble wrap. Hell, buy a couple copies for all your friends. Pay double subscription fees! It's the second coming in a box! It's how you say - "teh awesomezorz" or some crap. Just don't forget to do your sixth grade homework before you go to bed.
The RF fans are an odd crowd - those that basically chant less is more and we don't want anything that would require us to read or think. They seem truly frightened of a challenging combat system, engrossing story or detailed environments. Basically it's just easy mode and they are ashamed to admit it so they fight tooth and nail to defend any flaw.
a challenging combat system? you never played an MMO before did you, or else you would know there has never been an MMo released before that has a challenge. let me geuss, your one of the pve kiddies who is afraid at the first sign of pvp? see, I can be a hypocrit too. get lost kid.
Im going to keep my post short and Say.. I have been playing EQ for 5 years so im no newbie.. but this game is easy to play and for somebody my age its nice not to be able to play for a few days and still pick up where you started no problem and just do something..
My point is if you have not played the game.. YOU SHOULD NOT BE SAYING ANYTHING about it.. becuase your being ignorant...
The RF fans are an odd crowd - those that basically chant less is more and we don't want anything that would require us to read or think. They seem truly frightened of a challenging combat system, engrossing story or detailed environments. Basically it's just easy mode and they are ashamed to admit it so they fight tooth and nail to defend any flaw.
I got news for you buddy -- if you think any MMO has a 'challenging combat system' or 'engrossing story', you are deluding yourself. All MMO's are pretty easy. Some just use more window dressing than others. What's the difference between going out and grinding 100 orcs, or some guy giving you a long-winded story about how orcs killed his daughter so you need to go out and kill 100 of them? None. If it makes you feel better to pretend you're avenging some guy's grudge, good for you.
As for 'challenging combat system', I have yet to find one in an MMO. EvE was about as close to 'challenging' as it got. The rest of them -- every single one -- are all "find pattern of actions that works on particular mob, repeat until mob is dead". If you like to think that makes you a crafty strategist because you figured out the same thing that thousands of other people figured out, good for you.
MMO's are entertainment. They're not deep meaningful literature. If you want that, go read a good book. As far as I'm concerned, if I'm entertained, it's a good game. And so far, RFO is entertaining me.
MMO history: EQ1 - 65 DE Wizard DAoC - 50 Dwarf Thane, 50 Dwarf Healer EvE - Amarr, Caldari BShip Pilot CoH - 40 Ice/Ice Blaster, 40 Dark/Regen Scrapper WoW - 60 Undead Priest, 60 Tauren Warrior LoTRO - 30 Hobbit Burglar Currently Playing - Tabula Rasa
Originally posted by Velcroy Haha, funny how, when I posted, I refuted most of his arguments with actual facts about how the OP was wrong. Yet no one acknowledges it. You are all so set on your opinions that you don't even read facts anymore. You just come up with crazy reasons to affirm your belief. This is no longer a forums, it is a bunch of people with mouths but no ears.
Whats funny is nobody gives a crap about your fan-boi comments defending a POS game....the fact is the back of the box is full of lies....the OP stated the FACTS of his argument quite clearly.....you on the other hand....wrote some garbage B.S. spinning of the truth it was rather funny.....you should go into politics...your B.S. abilty to sift out half truths in a sea of lies would serve you well. Just take off your rose colored glasses for a minute and see that RF is the biggest POS game to come out in ages. You so crazy!
I know I shouldn't be responding to you, but I can't help myself. I am attaching the previous post that I made, refuting some of the OP's comments because they were inaccurate.
So what exactly about my comments was "fan-boi"? What in my post was not facts and as you put it "spinning of the truth"? I'm curious, because I am not seeing it. Here is the original post...
"Some of your facts are wrong, so you don't toally know what you are talking about. For one, yes, you can create cross-faction alliances. Did you know that leaders of the races are the only people able to understand the othe leaders? The entire reason for this is so that they can create alliances if need be, and it happens fairly often. So you are wrong about that.
In your first post you said that you can't create great weapons. Well aside from the crafters (which can craft intense weapons in the upcoming update (GIGA 4), any player can upgrade and individualize their equipment through using talics. That is what the box meant, you just don't know what you are talking about.
And the graphics are amazing, I don't know what you are smoking about that. Also, how many other games do you think could routinely have 200 character models on the screen without barely a snag after the initial load-up? Not many that I can think of. The lack of armor customization means that CHip Wars run much more smoothly. In FFXI, you couldn't be on the screen with more than 25 or 30 people without crazy lag.
You write well, but as stated, it is one-sided, and some of your disputes are blatantly false."
Why you come here and bash about the game when you only barely touch upon what is for the beginner. Level 25 is only merely a 3 day thing for anyone to get with a 6 hour per day in the game. The game by 50 is alot more then what it is seem as.
There is epic quests in this game, which involve going into dungeons as a team to complete, which you would see later on.
You don't EVEN know that MAU is pilot that show how you are biased toward the game, talk without facts is one of many mistake to criticism other games. I take it you did NOT even attend university if you just talk without facts.
I don't believe anything without a reliable sources and you aren't one for sure.
Originally posted by Kainsdoom I know since some posters here can't handle mature discussion and that I will be gettingflamed for making this but it doesn't matter because as much as you want to say I may be being a "fanboi", noob or 1 sided it couldn't be farther from the truth. I am a veteran of at least a dozen MMO's and have played majority of the rest for 1-3 months to get an idea of what they were like. And yes I like some better then others and flat out dislike a few but I would never go to a game site or game section of the ones I did not like and sit there and flame on it. Complete idiocy is what that would be, and for people to sit here and troll a forum of a game they apparently hate by flaming the people that do like it is completely absurd. Ok so apparently you think people who like this game are idiots? What the hell does that make you for posting here? Likely a bigger idiot for continuing to waste your time on some game you can't stand and more likely a loser with nothing else better to do then troll forums for people to hate on. This is where I find myself - I know for a fact that I will get bored of RFO and stop playing within 3 months, no doubt. . Does this game have a great story, super quests & lore? I would say its an average story, It has an interesting lore story prelude to current game events on the website but thats really about it. Not much of anything in game. No super quests. The quests are typical MMO kill x mobs y times quests that almost every single MMO has a ton of. Sure some games like WoW may have a ton more quests, but even in WoW majority of the quests you obtain are still this very basic concept of kill x mobs y times. This is an MMO standard andnot even worthy of bashing this game for. But no it hasnothing special to add either. It has no in game revolving story yet aside from player created and it has verylittle to none NPC interaction (besides shops of course). This I think is what seems to piss a lot of people off but the simple fact is many MMO's just have tons of filler NPC's and huge pointless cities that don't really do shit anyways except give u more repetative x & y quests or point a & b quests between pointless npc's and to me its actually kind of releiving to not have to be bothered by a ton of pointless NPC's getting in my way for no reason. Having said that I still do like some MMO's with the pointless NPC's to be bothered by but that depends on the game. In the end I do not want and am totally sick of every MMO getting repetative and being clones of each other. Thats why some of the simplicity factors of this game are actually fun. No it isn't overflowing with content but for some people this can be fun for them for a while and itdoesn't give people not interested the right to call them names and flame them for it. It doesn't mean they are shallow or idiots for wanting to play this game for a while. ..... And No this sure as hell isn't the best game out there and fuck ya it was way over hyped on some game sites, especially this one. But that doesn't matter and for anyone who bought it blindly, you deserve what you got. Learn to do your research before you buy, there were many sites out there in English from players who had beta tested or played this game in other markets before it hit here. The facts were out there, you just didn't bother to look.
Originally posted by Fyrro I'm sorry Kainsdoom but I'm not sure you understood the OP's post. The back of the box is at best a huge exageration, and at worst complete horse sh*t. It is not our responsibility as consumers to assume that Codemasters is lying to us and to "do [our] research", it is Codemasters responsibility to accurately describe the product we are purchasing both on the packaging and the website, something they simply did not do. It's great that some people like the game, I'm sure it's a good example of what it wants to be. Unfortunately, it's not what Codemasters told me it would be. To everyone who is unhappy with the game, do what I did. I sent my copy direct to Codemasters along with my game key and I explained how dissapointed I was with the game after reading the fabrication on the back of the box. I received a cheque for £29.99 yesterday. Good customer service, deceitful marketing team.
dude, i'm soooooo doing that shit!!
i dont even care if they send my money back....i feel embarrassed and hurt for getting this product=(
Do you have a point to your post, because all I see is some spiffy highlighting without addressing what exactly it is your trying to prove ... I had addressed many of the crap posts I see people complaining about in this game. Things they expect from it and stuff they wish was there ... But in the end they are being wishfull dreamers. The stuff they asked for no one ever said was going to exist. This game is wholely designed around its PVP elements and in that regard it is actually a very well done game. Don't play this if you want PVE and for people that think it sucks because it doesn't ahve PVE is just being foolish and/or self-centered ... Not everyone wants the same crap over and over and not everyone wants the same things in games. This game Caters to a crowd that is often left with table scraps in the Western MMO market. PVP in western games frankly sux, and thats why most westerners find themselves playing FPS's and what not for that PVP element. That doesnt mean we dont like Sci-Fi, Fantasy or MMO elements ... and when presented with a game like this we actually ENJOY it. Its jsut sad that we have to rely on hand me down Eastern market games for decent PVP. Because of course these games will often have translation issues and lack other things we "could" desire. Even so that doesn't change the fact many people do find this game enjoyable and theres a rediculous amount of crap talkers who didn't like the game because they went in expecting something else, meanwhile most the people that do like it arent on here saying so because they are to busy playing it to really care....
Even if everything the OP mentioned is true, it doesn't change my opinion of the game. It's fun to play, period. That's all that matters, really.
I take it that the OP didn't enjoy the game at all, so he felt the need to post what he did in an effort to trash the game or something. Well, I see a lot of that on this website, and it never amounts to anything as far as I'm concerned.
Originally posted by Kainsdoom Do you have a point to your post, because all I see is some spiffy highlighting without addressing what exactly it is your trying to prove ... I had addressed many of the crap posts I see people complaining about in this game. Things they expect from it and stuff they wish was there ... But in the end they are being wishfull dreamers. The stuff they asked for no one ever said was going to exist. This game is wholely designed around its PVP elements and in that regard it is actually a very well done game. Don't play this if you want PVE and for people that think it sucks because it doesn't ahve PVE is just being foolish and/or self-centered ... Not everyone wants the same crap over and over and not everyone wants the same things in games. This game Caters to a crowd that is often left with table scraps in the Western MMO market. PVP in western games frankly sux, and thats why most westerners find themselves playing FPS's and what not for that PVP element. That doesnt mean we dont like Sci-Fi, Fantasy or MMO elements ... and when presented with a game like this we actually ENJOY it. Its jsut sad that we have to rely on hand me down Eastern market games for decent PVP. Because of course these games will often have translation issues and lack other things we "could" desire. Even so that doesn't change the fact many people do find this game enjoyable and theres a rediculous amount of crap talkers who didn't like the game because they went in expecting something else, meanwhile most the people that do like it arent on here saying so because they are to busy playing it to really care....
i do wish this game was better and i was expecting something else...i was expecting what the developers were saying the game would be, ya know? if they woulda said, "limited pve, so so UI, and half assed localization", I wouldnt complain..
and if they wanted a full pvp game, why add crappy pve? since they did add crappy pve, i will bitch about it and warn folks not to buy this....dont defend the bullshit, people who like this shit like it, and people who dont like it, dont....
the forums are here to give us a medium to discuss this.
Originally posted by Kainsdoom Do you have a point to your post, because all I see is some spiffy highlighting without addressing what exactly it is your trying to prove ... I had addressed many of the crap posts I see people complaining about in this game. Things they expect from it and stuff they wish was there ... But in the end they are being wishfull dreamers. The stuff they asked for no one ever said was going to exist. This game is wholely designed around its PVP elements and in that regard it is actually a very well done game. Don't play this if you want PVE and for people that think it sucks because it doesn't ahve PVE is just being foolish and/or self-centered ... Not everyone wants the same crap over and over and not everyone wants the same things in games. This game Caters to a crowd that is often left with table scraps in the Western MMO market. PVP in western games frankly sux, and thats why most westerners find themselves playing FPS's and what not for that PVP element. That doesn't mean we don't like Sci-Fi, Fantasy or MMO elements ... and when presented with a game like this we actually ENJOY it. Its jsut sad that we have to rely on hand me down Eastern market games for decent PVP. Because of course these games will often have translation issues and lack other things we "could" desire. Even so that doesn't change the fact many people do find this game enjoyable and theres a ridiculous amount of crap talkers who didn't like the game because they went in expecting something else, meanwhile most the people that do like it arent on here saying so because they are to busy playing it to really care....
This is more or less true in the sense that the North American crowd really doesn't know what it wants in an MMORPG. No matter what a company tries, the NA audience does not seem to go to it. WoW is the only mass NA hit vs the dozen or so worldwide. The MAJORITY of WoW players are not even NA's. Games like L2 are clear hits in Asia while almost nothing can as easily be defined as a "success" in NA. (with the exception of WoW) The PC game market is by far much much larger then the MMO crowd, but MMO's are doing something "wrong" and just not drawing them in. NA's gamers (as a whole -console, PC and MMO's) do not appear to like the idea of "leveling" or "grinding" for the sake of doing it. Almost ALL NA game designers have failed to recognizes this. WoW clearly saw that, hence the easy progression. GW allso saw this and allows you to skip the progression altogether. Both are market successes. EQ2 did not...and as one can see, it is not have near the success of the other 2 games. (EQ2 has been running in damage control mode since launch) NA's "appear" to want to get to the point of the game right away. (I know I do) If it has a primary PvP feature, well let me get to it...not 50 levels in. However MMO's designers continue to put up barriers. Asia is a bit difference. It appears the Asian crowd really doesn't care about PvE. It appears to be seen as a side "task" to improve character abilities or progression. Asians look to be much more focused on community driven rather then task/static game content. (as demonstrated by the overwhelming success of both Lineage games) neither game is known for its "content" but are clearly community/player based.
The basic problem with the NA (WoW) approach is keeping the game "fun" or engaging enough to hold onto a subscription for a long period of time. As you can see with WoW, the easy progression means your crowd gets to the endgame quickly and hence "finish" and loses interest in the game just as quickly. The lack of "community building" and dependance of provided content loses many players once they solo to cap and can't find anything they like to do because at cap, the game becomes group centered. The game has promoted soloing and individual play up on to the end then expects the player to shift gears at cap.
Games with torturous grinds like L2 keep gamers away because it simply take far to long to "get to the point". (although the point is fully realized, its just to hard to get to)
Again arguing about what game has better "content" is like arguing who has better tasting water. The content of ALL MMO's to date is very poor and uninspired. No dynamic implementation of anything. Static kill task for static rewards. The only MMO game out there that has successfully implemented a RPG storyline into the progress is Guild Wars (strangely enough) although it is scripted and static.
The next generation MMORPG might not be an MMORPG. It will probably be a PC game like Neverwinter Nights 2 which will allow for "truer" freedom and unlimited "content". (IMHO)
in the end no one really cares. i mean u ether like the game or not. no matter what u say the peop-le who like this game with contiune to play and people who hate well contiune to hate it
I have been reading a lot on RF Online and still considering the purchase. Let me mention that everyones input (both sides) is great and very informative so I will throw in a view from the non-player side. Then I will probably purchuse the game to experience the lov/hate relationship everyone is sharing about. The outcome will depend upon me, just as the games enjoyment depends upon others. That being said, I will humbly throw in some post concerns.
1.) Korean MMO? Surely you jest, I am a gamer and if the game is good then I do not care who made it U.S., Japan, Albino or Californian. Gaming is the last frontier that remains colored blind and for me, there is no room for cultural mention. The only true cultural setting in game is Game Manufacture and Player.
2.) I am a voice gamer, meaning that TS, Vent or some other voice communication makes much more of the game because, I have not had have Evelen Woods Sped Typin Course yet. Chat is of minimal concern.
3.) Community is important because I purchase and play MMOs for a reason which is the concept that other people (preferably a lot) or seeking the same thing, a good gaming experience. The gaming experience is expected from the other culture.
4.) Grind: Arguably so, the good games require some sort of grind both in PvP and PvE which is why EVE is so popular. I am one of those weirdos that believe in the old saying, you want it earn it. The idea is to enjoy earning it regardless of how it is done. If I get a game and work my way to a high level, I do not expect a new player to get on and achieve the same thing in less then a second that took me longer to hump for. Guild Wars comes to mind. Hence, balance should depend upon ones wiliness to succeed and if I busted my behind to get to the one shot kill, then do not cry to me about opportunity to do the same.
So, I am off to experience another MMO, I will not get ripped-off because I had the opportunity to read the post and come learn the character defects and positive sides of the game. If the game sucks for me, I will mention it. If there is any kind of future in the game, I entend on being there. Ether way, Thank you all for some excellent input.
As someone who currently has not purchased or played RFO, reading this thread, it looks like the OP was only really addressed by one post and that reply was very forgiving of the game.
Here are some facts that I've gathered from this thread. The box was deceiving. While the game may be fun to some people, I would guess those people didn't buy it for what they read on the back of the box.
For those that are currently enjoying the game, from one who is simply reading about the game for the first time tonight (honestly doing research and considering purchasing):
1. Develop your charachter through epic quests and combat, with dynamic skill expansion across a huge range of options.
Epic quests, that sounds fun. It sounds like there are large quests and since the game is gear based (I've read) then I would hope there would be some nice gear from these epic quests. I would love to play a game with truly epic quests. I felt the quests in WoW were decent, but not epic. Hopefully they'll address that in the expansion. To me, an epic quest would be long and involved. It would require a lot of time and effort. This first point also speaks of epic combat. To me that just means really large battles.
"..with dynamic skill expansion across a huge range of options." This part sounds interesting. The only game that I've heard that fits that is either the custom building of abilities present in SoR (I read, never played).
2. Build immense war mechs, create devistating weapons or summon dieties and demons to fight for you.
Cool, mechs, crafting good weapons, and magic! Sounds good to me!
3. Wrest control of resources from your enemies in epic daily faction v faction battles.
That's pretty original. Hopefully I don't have to compete in this! But honestly, the way I understand it, I don't. It happens with or without me and I can choose to avoid it I would guess.
To the OP, from what I understand, at lvl 30 you get your next level of abilities/powers/whatever, and there is a huge range of how you've levelled your character. As someone mentioned, you need to spend time on you PT's for each level to make sure you don't get behind because as I understand, once you get to lvl 30, if you've left something out or untrained, you're s.o.l.
4. Experience smooth and seamless travel as you continue your adventures.
SWG offerred this but OMG did it have problems. There would be times when I would get armor from my house and fly in to Moenia only to be standing at the starport naked. The fix was to logout for 30 minutes and hope it was back on you. WoW also does this (contrary to what someone said not to mention) very well. There aren't loading screens and if you have a nice system even running from one point to the next causes no loading. Of course ship rides and going in portals and whatnot causes loading, but that's fine as it's not in typical world areas. CoH also set points where you new you would hit a load screen because of the guards and the fact that you click to enter. That game allowed for a crazy amount of people to be in one area at a given time with crazy effects going off and relatively low framerate issues. It was amazing.
Now, having read that this game doesn't have seemless loading areas, it makes me wonder why they would advertise this if it's simply not true. If you're running across a flat land and suddenly you're hit with a loading screen, that to me would be a shock based on reading this point.
5. Form guilds, groups and cross-faction alliances to fulfil your objectives.
This sounds interesting as long as the game mechanics allows for it to truly work. If you really can't "accidently" attack the alliance race, then this is good. If it's just an understanding that you won't, then that stinks. However, taking the box for what it says, this sounds like it could be really good if one race gets too far ahead.
6. Advanced combat mechanics provide a unique battle experience.
Hmm.. this is probably PR -- that's what I would think anyway. I have yet to see a truly unique combat mechanic in an MMO. I've read that one coming out offers group tactics that change based on what classes you have and you can decide how to work the tactics. I haven't read anything, anywhere, stating that RFO does this. I guess this is just PR hype.
7. Glory in jaw-dropping charachter & environment detail unseen in any other online game.
The screenshots certainly look outstanding for this game. I wouldn't say they're better than L2 or similar games (GW, etc), but they do look nice. And this is obvious PR work because how a game looks is subjective from the viewer.
8. Constant updates provide a never-ending supply of content in an ever-expanding game world.
Obviously they mean planned updates. Unless of course the marketing folks travelled back in time to create the box. Maybe?
And OMG, I'm watching a 400+ MB video of a chip war. From the looks it's just a zerg win otherwise the person pots forever. Is that not lame? That's directed to those that have played at 30+ lvl.
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Gee, the description on the back of the game box exaggerated the game. I guess since every game box in existence has done this very thing, this fails to villianize the game. I went through a lot of the games I purchased or pirated over the years and a lot of them, no all of them, exaggerated the features of the game on the back of the game box.
They had beta testing for a month and a good chunk of the players stayed to play the game and pay for it. This speaks more for itself than the back of the game box. At least you made an articulate opinion on the game instead of using kiddie insults. You may get some flames and some who disagree but it at least commands respect.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
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This will be my last post in the RFO forums. Here's why: everyone who supports this game is a complete idiot. I don't have to prove that, because the people who agree with me need only to read your posts to realize just how shallow you really are, and if you don't agree with me, you're one of those very idiots who are beyond all hope anyway. Many of you are probably calling me shallow and immature for making a personal jab at all of this game's supporters. You're right. But you're still idiots.
Now, on to my main point:
This game has less content than almost any MMO available on the market. It lacks character customization of any kind. Its economy is totally lacking and PvP is simply no-skill zerg rushes and a numbers game. Potion spamming reaches epic proportions. Crafting is totally pointless since all the intense weapons are gotten by farming. PvE is nonexistant. The graphics are only so-so, the lag is horrible, and the UI is one of the worst if not the absolute worst out of all MMOs available on the market today. Oh, and of all things, the translation, which is essentially ALL that CM really changed about the game, is piss-poor and practically Engrish. Despite this total lack of content, it's still going for the same box price and the same monthly fee as even the best games on the market. If you feel like you can refute any of that, be my guest, but just know that I won't read it, only other idiots will care what you have to say, and you really need to eat a dong. Immature? Just put that dong in your mouth and quit bitching.
Insert generic anime quote/My Chemical Romance lyrics here.
pingofdeath wrote:
"This will be my last post in the RFO forums. Here's why: everyone who supports this game is a complete idiot. I don't have to prove that, because the people who agree with me need only to read your posts to realize just how shallow you really are, and if you don't agree with me, you're one of those very idiots who are beyond all hope anyway. Many of you are probably calling me shallow and immature for making a personal jab at all of this game's supporters. You're right. But you're still idiots."
Couldnt agree more, RF sounds complete crap.
Yup you guys really did your homework, when you say this game is crap, there is no lore, fan site dont give crap information. Your are just here to get the attention a newborn needs from is mommy.
One suggestion go look at this site just for the heck of it.
http://www.monkehs.com/rfo.php?cat_id=18
There are 10 full chapters of Lore, and no its not only about, 3 race fighting each other in that lore.
Also maybe look at this page also
http://www.monkehs.com/rfo_library.php
Dont know plenty of stuff to look at to make a good idea of what is what in this game in video form
After all if you were more or less smart you know by now that a box is just that a box. I have never even look at the box of a game to buy it. I go to ho ya right fan sites that dont report half ass opinion but rather fact of the game itself. Personnaly I never read forum opinion for any game they just suck in general so much bias opinions its a waste of time. Read and download video and try the game demo or trial or beta if you can. Than if you not happy with the game just move on. If anyone still think a box is always should be the truth, than I suggest you sue those cereal box compagnies lol.
If you think the box is so much of a LIE why dont you sue them for it? You know what I think I got buy half of all the computer games at my local EBgames and sue them all since I will surely find something that is just a big lie on the box and show them all that false advertising they shouldnt do that. Maybe I sit in front of my TV tape all those infomercials with there crap and sue them also for false avertising yay, going to be rich hehe.
I responsible consummer never buys because of the pretty box, a responsable consummer learn to research the product he intends to purchase.
But maybe you the type of comsummer that goes, You sir or m'am this offer is only good for the next 10 minutes call now before we are all out of those. Don't forget if you call now we will only charge you for a 6 monthly installments of 99.99 for that nice woop ass.
LOL you people are to much ... the simple fact is that if you don't like the game then move on.
There will always be people who like every game, some more then others. That doesn't mean everyone who dislikes a game needs to hate and do immature name calling on people that do like the game. Get over it and move on to something you do like.
NO game can appeal to everyone, and NO game should be purchased simply because of the advertising ploys used by the companies or stores selling them. The fact is many of the statements on the box are as much half lies as half truths and as such is why no one would win a lawsuit on it. Find me a game right now that doesn't have half truths or exaderations on the box and you my friend have found a rare gem indeed.
I know since some posters here can't handle mature discussion and that I will be getting flamed for making this but it doesn't matter because as much as you want to say I may be being a "fanboi", noob or 1 sided it couldn't be farther from the truth. I am a veteran of at least a dozen MMO's and have played majority of the rest for 1-3 months to get an idea of what they were like. And yes I like some better then others and flat out dislike a few but I would never go to a game site or game section of the ones I did not like and sit there and flame on it.
Complete idiocy is what that would be, and for people to sit here and troll a forum of a game they apparently hate by flaming the people that do like it is completely absurd. Ok so apparently you think people who like this game are idiots? What the hell does that make you for posting here? Likely a bigger idiot for continuing to waste your time on some game you can't stand and more likely a loser with nothing else better to do then troll forums for people to hate on.
The fact is when I don't like a game, I stop playing it or I simply do not buy it. If you blindly purchased a game without first doing some research into it then you deserve what you got. Everyones done it at least once, I'm sure I got a handful of games collecting dust on the shelf that didn't suit me but tough shit, thats life. Thats why MMO give u 30 days free, if you don't like it then move on, and even if you only played for 2 weeks to come to that assumption, for $50 2 weeks is quite often more then you would have got out of 80% of console games out there.
Most MMO have a 3 month (or less) life in my book, It is very few that have had enuff content, or grind to last longer then that and as such there are people out there looking for something different. That does not mean that 3 month MMO's are a bad thing though, its far greater then a typical console game which claims to have repeat play value, but usually does not and only lasts 15 hours.
This is where I find myself - I know for a fact that I will get bored of RFO and stop playing within 3 months, no doubt. But atm this game is sufficient enough and different enough scenery to keep me entertained for a while. Is it the only game I play? Definately not. But it will still provide me with a different take on gaming then I have experienced lately.
Does this game have a great story, super quests & lore?
I would say its an average story, It has an interesting lore story prelude to current game events on the website but thats really about it. Not much of anything in game.
No super quests. The quests are typical MMO kill x mobs y times quests that almost every single MMO has a ton of. Sure some games like WoW may have a ton more quests, but even in WoW majority of the quests you obtain are still this very basic concept of kill x mobs y times. This is an MMO standard and not even worthy of bashing this game for. But no it has nothing special to add either. There are really very few MMO out there that have many quests with a point, most are just used as time fillers and it is actually kind of refreshing to not have to waste my time on filler quests for this game like I always end up doing with other games that are just going to get me no where anyways. The quests in this game are a simple concept. You do them and you actually get good rewards, I am always happy to get my payout for these quests as its always a decent amount of $, exp & items.
It has no in game revolving story yet aside from player created and it has very little to none NPC interaction (besides shops of course). This I think is what seems to piss a lot of people off but the simple fact is many MMO's just have tons of filler NPC's and huge pointless cities that don't really do shit anyways except give u more repetative x & y quests or point a & b quests between pointless npc's and to me its actually kind of releiving to not have to be bothered by a ton of pointless NPC's getting in my way for no reason.
Having said that I still do like some MMO's with the pointless NPC's to be bothered by but that depends on the game. In the end I do not want and am totally sick of every MMO getting repetative and being clones of each other. Thats why some of the simplicity factors of this game are actually fun. No it isn't overflowing with content but for some people this can be fun for them for a while and it doesn't give people not interested the right to call them names and flame them for it. It doesn't mean they are shallow or idiots for wanting to play this game for a while. But there is no reason to not play this if it interests you, It has some fun factors and in the end that is all that matters until we start to get some new decent games on the market with depth. At least RFO provides a decent challenge and I don't feel like my hand is being held as I play it to complete my tasks and level.
And No this sure as hell isn't the best game out there and fuck ya it was way over hyped on some game sites, especially this one. But that doesn't matter and for anyone who bought it blindly, you deserve what you got. Learn to do your research before you buy, there were many sites out there in English from players who had beta tested or played this game in other markets before it hit here. The facts were out there, you just didn't bother to look.
I'm sorry Kainsdoom but I'm not sure you understood the OP's post. The back of the box is at best a huge exageration, and at worst complete horse sh*t. It is not our responsibility as consumers to assume that Codemasters is lying to us and to "do [our] research", it is Codemasters responsibility to accurately describe the product we are purchasing both on the packaging and the website, something they simply did not do.
It's great that some people like the game, I'm sure it's a good example of what it wants to be. Unfortunately, it's not what Codemasters told me it would be.
To everyone who is unhappy with the game, do what I did. I sent my copy direct to Codemasters along with my game key and I explained how dissapointed I was with the game after reading the fabrication on the back of the box. I received a cheque for £29.99 yesterday.
Good customer service, deceitful marketing team.
"Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."
And it seems most of the fanboys have had so much experience they are now at level cap.
Sad really... truly sad. The more people suck up drivel and pay for it, the more developers will just cater to the idiotic masses and create the bare minimum of what they think is required to have a monthly fee attached. The masses will just suck it up and blindly defend it until one day they realize they are paying monthly fees for the equivelent of popping plastic bubble wrap - then they will buy the expansion. lol Slap a couple cute anime inspired images on the bubble wrap and they will think it is a godsend. Some of us can see the signal being sent by these idiots to developers and can't help but be a little outraged. Truly - in overall quality of product can anyone here say RF stacks up against any other current major MMO? (get WoW out of your head fanboy, it's not the only MMO) No it doesn't, not even close at any level. But - they charged the same as other MMOs, (grinning all the way to the bank) and some idiots think that is acceptable. Well then, let's tell Hyundai they can now charge the same as Lexus - less is more after all and quality doesn't matter does it?
The RF fans are an odd crowd - those that basically chant less is more and we don't want anything that would require us to read or think. They seem truly frightened of a challenging combat system, engrossing story or detailed environments. Basically it's just easy mode and they are ashamed to admit it so they fight tooth and nail to defend any flaw.
So go ahead, suck it up. Swallow the shallow BS. Enjoy your virtual bubble wrap. Hell, buy a couple copies for all your friends. Pay double subscription fees! It's the second coming in a box! It's how you say - "teh awesomezorz" or some crap. Just don't forget to do your sixth grade homework before you go to bed.
/flame on!
Im going to keep my post short and Say.. I have been playing EQ for 5 years so im no newbie.. but this game is easy to play and for somebody my age its nice not to be able to play for a few days and still pick up where you started no problem and just do something..
My point is if you have not played the game.. YOU SHOULD NOT BE SAYING ANYTHING about it.. becuase your being ignorant...
I got news for you buddy -- if you think any MMO has a 'challenging combat system' or 'engrossing story', you are deluding yourself. All MMO's are pretty easy. Some just use more window dressing than others. What's the difference between going out and grinding 100 orcs, or some guy giving you a long-winded story about how orcs killed his daughter so you need to go out and kill 100 of them? None. If it makes you feel better to pretend you're avenging some guy's grudge, good for you.
As for 'challenging combat system', I have yet to find one in an MMO. EvE was about as close to 'challenging' as it got. The rest of them -- every single one -- are all "find pattern of actions that works on particular mob, repeat until mob is dead". If you like to think that makes you a crafty strategist because you figured out the same thing that thousands of other people figured out, good for you.
MMO's are entertainment. They're not deep meaningful literature. If you want that, go read a good book. As far as I'm concerned, if I'm entertained, it's a good game. And so far, RFO is entertaining me.
MMO history:
EQ1 - 65 DE Wizard
DAoC - 50 Dwarf Thane, 50 Dwarf Healer
EvE - Amarr, Caldari BShip Pilot
CoH - 40 Ice/Ice Blaster, 40 Dark/Regen Scrapper
WoW - 60 Undead Priest, 60 Tauren Warrior
LoTRO - 30 Hobbit Burglar
Currently Playing - Tabula Rasa
Whats funny is nobody gives a crap about your fan-boi comments defending a POS game....the fact is the back of the box is full of lies....the OP stated the FACTS of his argument quite clearly.....you on the other hand....wrote some garbage B.S. spinning of the truth it was rather funny.....you should go into politics...your B.S. abilty to sift out half truths in a sea of lies would serve you well. Just take off your rose colored glasses for a minute and see that RF is the biggest POS game to come out in ages.
You so crazy!
I know I shouldn't be responding to you, but I can't help myself. I am attaching the previous post that I made, refuting some of the OP's comments because they were inaccurate.
So what exactly about my comments was "fan-boi"? What in my post was not facts and as you put it "spinning of the truth"? I'm curious, because I am not seeing it. Here is the original post...
"Some of your facts are wrong, so you don't toally know what you are talking about. For one, yes, you can create cross-faction alliances. Did you know that leaders of the races are the only people able to understand the othe leaders? The entire reason for this is so that they can create alliances if need be, and it happens fairly often. So you are wrong about that.
In your first post you said that you can't create great weapons. Well aside from the crafters (which can craft intense weapons in the upcoming update (GIGA 4), any player can upgrade and individualize their equipment through using talics. That is what the box meant, you just don't know what you are talking about.
And the graphics are amazing, I don't know what you are smoking about that. Also, how many other games do you think could routinely have 200 character models on the screen without barely a snag after the initial load-up? Not many that I can think of. The lack of armor customization means that CHip Wars run much more smoothly. In FFXI, you couldn't be on the screen with more than 25 or 30 people without crazy lag.
You write well, but as stated, it is one-sided, and some of your disputes are blatantly false."
Why you come here and bash about the game when you only barely touch upon what is for the beginner. Level 25 is only merely a 3 day thing for anyone to get with a 6 hour per day in the game. The game by 50 is alot more then what it is seem as.
There is epic quests in this game, which involve going into dungeons as a team to complete, which you would see later on.
You don't EVEN know that MAU is pilot that show how you are biased toward the game, talk without facts is one of many mistake to criticism other games. I take it you did NOT even attend university if you just talk without facts.
I don't believe anything without a reliable sources and you aren't one for sure.
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dude, i'm soooooo doing that shit!!
i dont even care if they send my money back....i feel embarrassed and hurt for getting this product=(
Even if everything the OP mentioned is true, it doesn't change my opinion of the game. It's fun to play, period. That's all that matters, really.
I take it that the OP didn't enjoy the game at all, so he felt the need to post what he did in an effort to trash the game or something. Well, I see a lot of that on this website, and it never amounts to anything as far as I'm concerned.
i do wish this game was better and i was expecting something else...i was expecting what the developers were saying the game would be, ya know? if they woulda said, "limited pve, so so UI, and half assed localization", I wouldnt complain..
and if they wanted a full pvp game, why add crappy pve? since they did add crappy pve, i will bitch about it and warn folks not to buy this....dont defend the bullshit, people who like this shit like it, and people who dont like it, dont....
the forums are here to give us a medium to discuss this.
It is not really a bad game, not at all...
But he is absolutly right
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
This is more or less true in the sense that the North American crowd really doesn't know what it wants in an MMORPG. No matter what a company tries, the NA audience does not seem to go to it. WoW is the only mass NA hit vs the dozen or so worldwide. The MAJORITY of WoW players are not even NA's. Games like L2 are clear hits in Asia while almost nothing can as easily be defined as a "success" in NA. (with the exception of WoW) The PC game market is by far much much larger then the MMO crowd, but MMO's are doing something "wrong" and just not drawing them in. NA's gamers (as a whole -console, PC and MMO's) do not appear to like the idea of "leveling" or "grinding" for the sake of doing it. Almost ALL NA game designers have failed to recognizes this. WoW clearly saw that, hence the easy progression. GW allso saw this and allows you to skip the progression altogether. Both are market successes. EQ2 did not...and as one can see, it is not have near the success of the other 2 games. (EQ2 has been running in damage control mode since launch) NA's "appear" to want to get to the point of the game right away. (I know I do) If it has a primary PvP feature, well let me get to it...not 50 levels in. However MMO's designers continue to put up barriers. Asia is a bit difference. It appears the Asian crowd really doesn't care about PvE. It appears to be seen as a side "task" to improve character abilities or progression. Asians look to be much more focused on community driven rather then task/static game content. (as demonstrated by the overwhelming success of both Lineage games) neither game is known for its "content" but are clearly community/player based.
The basic problem with the NA (WoW) approach is keeping the game "fun" or engaging enough to hold onto a subscription for a long period of time. As you can see with WoW, the easy progression means your crowd gets to the endgame quickly and hence "finish" and loses interest in the game just as quickly. The lack of "community building" and dependance of provided content loses many players once they solo to cap and can't find anything they like to do because at cap, the game becomes group centered. The game has promoted soloing and individual play up on to the end then expects the player to shift gears at cap.
Games with torturous grinds like L2 keep gamers away because it simply take far to long to "get to the point". (although the point is fully realized, its just to hard to get to)
Again arguing about what game has better "content" is like arguing who has better tasting water. The content of ALL MMO's to date is very poor and uninspired. No dynamic implementation of anything. Static kill task for static rewards. The only MMO game out there that has successfully implemented a RPG storyline into the progress is Guild Wars (strangely enough) although it is scripted and static.
The next generation MMORPG might not be an MMORPG. It will probably be a PC game like Neverwinter Nights 2 which will allow for "truer" freedom and unlimited "content". (IMHO)
I have been reading a lot on RF Online and still considering the purchase. Let me mention that everyones input (both sides) is great and very informative so I will throw in a view from the non-player side. Then I will probably purchuse the game to experience the lov/hate relationship everyone is sharing about. The outcome will depend upon me, just as the games enjoyment depends upon others. That being said, I will humbly throw in some post concerns.
1.) Korean MMO? Surely you jest, I am a gamer and if the game is good then I do not care who made it U.S., Japan, Albino or Californian. Gaming is the last frontier that remains colored blind and for me, there is no room for cultural mention. The only true cultural setting in game is Game Manufacture and Player.
2.) I am a voice gamer, meaning that TS, Vent or some other voice communication makes much more of the game because, I have not had have Evelen Woods Sped Typin Course yet. Chat is of minimal concern.
3.) Community is important because I purchase and play MMOs for a reason which is the concept that other people (preferably a lot) or seeking the same thing, a good gaming experience. The gaming experience is expected from the other culture.
4.) Grind: Arguably so, the good games require some sort of grind both in PvP and PvE which is why EVE is so popular. I am one of those weirdos that believe in the old saying, you want it earn it. The idea is to enjoy earning it regardless of how it is done. If I get a game and work my way to a high level, I do not expect a new player to get on and achieve the same thing in less then a second that took me longer to hump for. Guild Wars comes to mind. Hence, balance should depend upon ones wiliness to succeed and if I busted my behind to get to the one shot kill, then do not cry to me about opportunity to do the same.
So, I am off to experience another MMO, I will not get ripped-off because I had the opportunity to read the post and come learn the character defects and positive sides of the game. If the game sucks for me, I will mention it. If there is any kind of future in the game, I entend on being there. Ether way, Thank you all for some excellent input.
May da Swartz be with us,
SEABEAST
As someone who currently has not purchased or played RFO, reading this thread, it looks like the OP was only really addressed by one post and that reply was very forgiving of the game.
Here are some facts that I've gathered from this thread. The box was deceiving. While the game may be fun to some people, I would guess those people didn't buy it for what they read on the back of the box.
For those that are currently enjoying the game, from one who is simply reading about the game for the first time tonight (honestly doing research and considering purchasing):
1. Develop your charachter through epic quests and combat, with dynamic skill expansion across a huge range of options.
Epic quests, that sounds fun. It sounds like there are large quests and since the game is gear based (I've read) then I would hope there would be some nice gear from these epic quests. I would love to play a game with truly epic quests. I felt the quests in WoW were decent, but not epic. Hopefully they'll address that in the expansion. To me, an epic quest would be long and involved. It would require a lot of time and effort. This first point also speaks of epic combat. To me that just means really large battles.
"..with dynamic skill expansion across a huge range of options." This part sounds interesting. The only game that I've heard that fits that is either the custom building of abilities present in SoR (I read, never played).
2. Build immense war mechs, create devistating weapons or summon dieties and demons to fight for you.
Cool, mechs, crafting good weapons, and magic! Sounds good to me!
3. Wrest control of resources from your enemies in epic daily faction v faction battles.
That's pretty original. Hopefully I don't have to compete in this! But honestly, the way I understand it, I don't. It happens with or without me and I can choose to avoid it I would guess.
To the OP, from what I understand, at lvl 30 you get your next level of abilities/powers/whatever, and there is a huge range of how you've levelled your character. As someone mentioned, you need to spend time on you PT's for each level to make sure you don't get behind because as I understand, once you get to lvl 30, if you've left something out or untrained, you're s.o.l.
4. Experience smooth and seamless travel as you continue your adventures.
SWG offerred this but OMG did it have problems. There would be times when I would get armor from my house and fly in to Moenia only to be standing at the starport naked. The fix was to logout for 30 minutes and hope it was back on you. WoW also does this (contrary to what someone said not to mention) very well. There aren't loading screens and if you have a nice system even running from one point to the next causes no loading. Of course ship rides and going in portals and whatnot causes loading, but that's fine as it's not in typical world areas. CoH also set points where you new you would hit a load screen because of the guards and the fact that you click to enter. That game allowed for a crazy amount of people to be in one area at a given time with crazy effects going off and relatively low framerate issues. It was amazing.
Now, having read that this game doesn't have seemless loading areas, it makes me wonder why they would advertise this if it's simply not true. If you're running across a flat land and suddenly you're hit with a loading screen, that to me would be a shock based on reading this point.
5. Form guilds, groups and cross-faction alliances to fulfil your objectives.
This sounds interesting as long as the game mechanics allows for it to truly work. If you really can't "accidently" attack the alliance race, then this is good. If it's just an understanding that you won't, then that stinks. However, taking the box for what it says, this sounds like it could be really good if one race gets too far ahead.
6. Advanced combat mechanics provide a unique battle experience.
Hmm.. this is probably PR -- that's what I would think anyway. I have yet to see a truly unique combat mechanic in an MMO. I've read that one coming out offers group tactics that change based on what classes you have and you can decide how to work the tactics. I haven't read anything, anywhere, stating that RFO does this. I guess this is just PR hype.
7. Glory in jaw-dropping charachter & environment detail unseen in any other online game.
The screenshots certainly look outstanding for this game. I wouldn't say they're better than L2 or similar games (GW, etc), but they do look nice. And this is obvious PR work because how a game looks is subjective from the viewer.
8. Constant updates provide a never-ending supply of content in an ever-expanding game world.
Obviously they mean planned updates. Unless of course the marketing folks travelled back in time to create the box. Maybe?
And OMG, I'm watching a 400+ MB video of a chip war. From the looks it's just a zerg win otherwise the person pots forever. Is that not lame? That's directed to those that have played at 30+ lvl.
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