Don't think someone from a supposed specialized mmo site should make a review before even hitting the level cap... I'm not saying the game is awesome or anything, but you shouldn't say that a book is a total crap or the best ever if you just read the first chapter.
How many more of these action RPGs are they going to make before they stop and realize the market is over saturated? We've literally hit critical mass on this game type. There's zero room for more! Stop making them! x x;
It's like finding out everyone likes apple pies, so companies make tons of apple pies, then when people start complaining they only get apple pie, they make apple pie flavored oatmeal, followed by apple pie flavored bread, followed by apple pie flavored soft drinks. We don't care that it is using some special unique sub system or something else. It still tastes like APPLE PIE!
Nah. Action combat is the future. Get on board or get out!
If you don't like action in your video games, then there's always WoW for you.
And that is telling the guy complaining about apple pie that he should go eat the original apple pie.
WoW was amazing when it came out and really deserves it's place in gaming history as one of the big games that shaped the development landscape. It's a shame it's reaching the end of its time as the years stretch on and people start spreading out to find something new.
Really, we need something more than just raw combat right now. Maybe pet raising or something else would be the right way to go like in SMT online.
Don't think someone from a supposed specialized mmo site should make a review before even hitting the level cap... I'm not saying the game is awesome or anything, but you shouldn't say that a book is a total crap or the best ever if you just read the first chapter.
That's why this isn't a review.
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Yet again I see what was a great subscription based Asian game get turned into garbage with a F2P western conversion.
Massively limited pack space all while adding in a TON, and I mean a TON, of new items designed to make you purchase from the shop or miss out on a lot of the game. Seriously, they actually locked weapons requiring you to use something to unlock them?!?
Also really LOVED seeing 2 uniforms in the first 10 levels that could not be dropped, sold or traded basically giving you two permanently locked up pack spaces.
And no, it does not matter one bit that you can sell gold to get coins to buy items from the shop. They chopped this game up and it went from being subscription worthy to a royal mess.
In other words, full game is worth paying for, a chopped up version filled with garbage items isn't worth a dime.
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Black Desert is Lineage 2 with a facelift. Questing doesn't gain exp, only unlocks dungeons, gear etc. Exp is gained by grinding levels killing monsters so grinding parties for countless hours. Areas are ownable through taking castles etc via guilds so castle sieges every week or so.
As for the review...of course you're burnt out doing the starter to 25 quests if you're doing them over and over and over on all the characters you made. But anybody who's started this game since the first day of release already knows about that part...in the time it's taken you to level 4+ toons to 25, where's the review of the gameplay after level 25 you should be able to give for as much time you spent remaking toon after toon?
I can't say B&S is any better than any other mmo, but it's not at the bottom of the list either. WoW has become a slave to the whiners of "its too hard..." or "this class is too op" etc, and become a game a child could play because every class's talents/skill trees has become cookie cutter. I miss games like SWG before the changes to appease the whiners. It sure would be nice to find a worthy mmo to enjoy for a couple of years or more at the very least, but there is no such thing it seems, because every mmo company has to appeal to the masses and the masses want everything free and easy.
I installed the game but nothing happens when I click on the launcher. Tried a few recommended things but nothing works. Finally gave up and uninstalled it. Waiting for BDO now.
I've played the game a bit and it really is on rails. I thought the pretty good combat could make me forget that I'm in a narrow world constantly running errands for NPC's...nope. I really don't understand how people can tolerate this stuff. I like the combat but it really isn't enough to overshadow everything else. Seeing all the positive comments in this thread makes me wonder if the genre will ever break out of this kind of shit. This game is the antithesis of virtual world with freedom.
And how can the combat be so great with no tactics required. I three shot enemies randomly picking whatever skill I wanna use. Just not good.
Edit: I didn't play the game for PvP, maybe it is something wildly amazing in PvP but PvE is dreadful.
I know there isn't as much to do as say FFXIV, ESO or GW2. But 90% of these games are played for combat, and BnS beats these by a long shot. Balanced, competitive, deep PvP. I suck at it and I still think it's the greatest thing to happen to PvP in MMO games in a long time.
People associate PvP with better gear, gear treadmills, pay to win, and class imbalance or zergs. These factors are basically non-existent in Blade and Soul.
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I have a feeling BDO will be more or less the same as B&S
You mean in retention or gameplay? Because they're wildly different games in the latter case.
They both feature action combat, that's enough to deter me from playing either of them despite one being more "in depth" than the other.
If action combat in a game is a deterrent for you, you may have to start looking for a new hobby pretty soon.
The voices of players like me are not lost in the cacophony of the majority. We have been heard and games like Pantheon and Shroud of the Avatar are in the making. We were in the minority when the MMO hit the gaming scene, we'll still be around when it dies off with the next fad that comes around.
Been playing since CB have a lvl 45 FM.
My thoughts are the game is shallow hit lvl 42 and the maps tend to get a bit jumbled.
Prices are dearer in the shop tham they were in beta.
What shocked me was the price for me to get my weapon maxed, you cannot pick up up a transmutation stone, as you did before, you have to either craft, or buy one from the market fot about 7 gold, so to me it feels like I have come to a fullstop.
That sort of money I am no where near yet.
Very sad, as the combat is very good lots of costumes in the game, and the dungeons are done well, except for the auctions in them.
There are loads of bugs moreso for the Razer products.
Razer gave the game loads of hype, but BnS messed up forgetting that the Gameguard causes probs with the razer sdk.
On the BnS forums there are over 16 pages "and growing" , where people cannot play the game due to this.
They have had years to get this right, but still they get it wrong, and dissapoint customers.
@mmrv Whew... you're an angry little person, aren't you?
he's not angry, he's calling this so called "journalist" out, for he's writing bad content and people who can't think for themselves are gobbling it up like religious fanatics.
Btw Bill Murphy, no matter how much you try you are bad at games and writing reports. Your education have failed you in more than one way.
Yea I installed the game logged into character creation and saw they only had humanoid characters. Then I uninstalled and went back to playing solitaire. I'm so freaking cool with my one liner.
Oh, now I see. You're here, trolling me and then claiming I deleted your posts. I don't delete posts. That's likely Mike B, our community manager. Sorry if I wronged you in some way, but thanks for your feedback.
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So i have been playing this game up to lvl 25 on a Blade Master, i have read every single comand skill, main story quest and some side quests, i went into dungeon finder, crafted at early lvls TRIED TO GATHER (ITS JUST IMPOSSIBLE), tried to build skills("K" skill trees) learned combos, and yes up to now, is already all the same, getting money without being premium is very hard until you get "what" to sell into marketplace.
the spam gives me cancer you can't even REPORT because the flood xD
worst thing is that if you add friends from CROSS dung finder, you cant wisper them cross server when PVE, so thats really sad for the social aspect of the game.
Wardrobe for non premiun non existant is really a bother in which storage respects. i mean i want to keep the suits but holy crap they give you so many!!!
2 char slot its like tera so im alright, i want to create characters but i wont be leveling them anytime soon. An extra character slot cost 400 Ncoins which is about 5 USD so isnt THAT expensive.
About combat:
I found, for some counters you need to use SOUND because some NPC say phrases indicating the skill (defensive mostly), in PvP is the same.
Also i would like to see cast bars on target (i dont found if it exists), most of the time i have to learn pattern for every NPC i fight, thats kinda unnecessary difficult for simple grinding, i guess it helps in pvp too.
Dungeon LOOT Auction is like "WTF is this?", but at least you get money when ppl go crazy about one item (most when a high lvl needs it in cross realm dung).
Well, so far i came to BnS for the combat, but yeah i like do PvE and its very poor compared to WoW (11 years of content) or GW2 (love this game) or FF14 (one of the best main stories ive ever played).
I will get to 45 on my BM and see what is next. But yeah the idea of leveling another class seems TO BORING right now
Works great actually, no lag or anything. Very smooth game and action feels great. Best action MMO in the market.
It is very shallow though, but fighting is so much fun I don't care. I play this game when I want to smack people with style.
Not every game has to be "the one and only". It is ok to play multiple games side by side. Some are great for combat (like B&S), some have great atmosphere (LotRO), some have great questing and crafting (ESO), then there is a lot of subpar games like GW2 and stuff that can give something too.
I look at games like ESO, FFXIV, GW2, and the forthcoming BDO, and I see games that offer a lot more to do than kill and quest until you level cap, then quit. It's too soon to tell how people will stay with BDO, but the former 3 have a lot of staying power, just as games before their generation did.
What exactly is there to do in FFXIV, ESO prior to level cap? GW2 has a lot of leveling features but the other two games you named are just grind it out leveling processes, and they are much slower leveling curves than blade and soul. I don't really understand the disatisfaction in the community these days, they say they want new but when something new and different comes out it never recoups the production budget, so game makers make things like WoW and then everyone complains that its boring and goes back to their current WoW like game instead.
In my opinion blade and soul is the most polished game that has come in out in years (Along with FFXIV). The thing that makes BnS different is the combat which does feel more seamless than the previous action combat MMO's. All of the other games that came over the last several years had major flaws at launch that they took months or years to correct and thus lost large portions of their player base, (GW2 it was complete lack of content for max level that took them a good 6-12 months to fix, ESO quickly became a level grind that relied on story to make up for poor combat, ArchAge's economy wasn't balanced so a major feature of the game fell apart, Wildstar practically collapsed before it began but i think this has more to do with inherent community bias then the game itself since no one has ever been able to give factually valid reasons they dislike the game to me). Blade and Souls biggest problem is alot of people are about to run out of content, but they are releasing a major patch in 8 days which indicates to me that unlike the other games above they understood what their weakness was and had a plan on how to fix it.
I do in general agree with mmrv that MMO's today are all basically the same (excluding GW2). They are kill and fetch quests with varying degrees of story that 99% of the player base won't read, followed by some kind of cosmetic or gear treadmill (that part does include gw2). Unlike him I don't complain because this is exactly what MMO players want even if they don't want admit it. If this wasn't what they wanted WoW and wow like games would not be the most dominant games in the market but they are.
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WoW was amazing when it came out and really deserves it's place in gaming history as one of the big games that shaped the development landscape. It's a shame it's reaching the end of its time as the years stretch on and people start spreading out to find something new.
Really, we need something more than just raw combat right now. Maybe pet raising or something else would be the right way to go like in SMT online.
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Massively limited pack space all while adding in a TON, and I mean a TON, of new items designed to make you purchase from the shop or miss out on a lot of the game. Seriously, they actually locked weapons requiring you to use something to unlock them?!?
Also really LOVED seeing 2 uniforms in the first 10 levels that could not be dropped, sold or traded basically giving you two permanently locked up pack spaces.
And no, it does not matter one bit that you can sell gold to get coins to buy items from the shop. They chopped this game up and it went from being subscription worthy to a royal mess.
In other words, full game is worth paying for, a chopped up version filled with garbage items isn't worth a dime.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
They both feature action combat, that's enough to deter me from playing either of them despite one being more "in depth" than the other.
If action combat in a game is a deterrent for you, you may have to start looking for a new hobby pretty soon.
As for the review...of course you're burnt out doing the starter to 25 quests if you're doing them over and over and over on all the characters you made. But anybody who's started this game since the first day of release already knows about that part...in the time it's taken you to level 4+ toons to 25, where's the review of the gameplay after level 25 you should be able to give for as much time you spent remaking toon after toon?
I can't say B&S is any better than any other mmo, but it's not at the bottom of the list either. WoW has become a slave to the whiners of "its too hard..." or "this class is too op" etc, and become a game a child could play because every class's talents/skill trees has become cookie cutter. I miss games like SWG before the changes to appease the whiners. It sure would be nice to find a worthy mmo to enjoy for a couple of years or more at the very least, but there is no such thing it seems, because every mmo company has to appeal to the masses and the masses want everything free and easy.
And how can the combat be so great with no tactics required. I three shot enemies randomly picking whatever skill I wanna use. Just not good.
Edit: I didn't play the game for PvP, maybe it is something wildly amazing in PvP but PvE is dreadful.
People associate PvP with better gear, gear treadmills, pay to win, and class imbalance or zergs. These factors are basically non-existent in Blade and Soul.
Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
The voices of players like me are not lost in the cacophony of the majority. We have been heard and games like Pantheon and Shroud of the Avatar are in the making. We were in the minority when the MMO hit the gaming scene, we'll still be around when it dies off with the next fad that comes around.
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My thoughts are the game is shallow hit lvl 42 and the maps tend to get a bit jumbled.
Prices are dearer in the shop tham they were in beta.
What shocked me was the price for me to get my weapon maxed, you cannot pick up up a transmutation stone, as you did before, you have to either craft, or buy one from the market fot about 7 gold, so to me it feels like I have come to a fullstop.
That sort of money I am no where near yet.
Very sad, as the combat is very good lots of costumes in the game, and the dungeons are done well, except for the auctions in them.
There are loads of bugs moreso for the Razer products.
Razer gave the game loads of hype, but BnS messed up forgetting that the Gameguard causes probs with the razer sdk.
On the BnS forums there are over 16 pages "and growing" , where people cannot play the game due to this.
They have had years to get this right, but still they get it wrong, and dissapoint customers.
keep telling yourself you are exploring games and is good at being a journalist. /rolleyes
he's not angry, he's calling this so called "journalist" out, for he's writing bad content and people who can't think for themselves are gobbling it up like religious fanatics.
Btw Bill Murphy, no matter how much you try you are bad at games and writing reports. Your education have failed you in more than one way.
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the spam gives me cancer you can't even REPORT because the flood xD
worst thing is that if you add friends from CROSS dung finder, you cant wisper them cross server when PVE, so thats really sad for the social aspect of the game.
Wardrobe for non premiun non existant is really a bother in which storage respects. i mean i want to keep the suits but holy crap they give you so many!!!
2 char slot its like tera so im alright, i want to create characters but i wont be leveling them anytime soon. An extra character slot cost 400 Ncoins which is about 5 USD so isnt THAT expensive.
About combat:
I found, for some counters you need to use SOUND because some NPC say phrases indicating the skill (defensive mostly), in PvP is the same.
Also i would like to see cast bars on target (i dont found if it exists), most of the time i have to learn pattern for every NPC i fight, thats kinda unnecessary difficult for simple grinding, i guess it helps in pvp too.
Dungeon LOOT Auction is like "WTF is this?", but at least you get money when ppl go crazy about one item (most when a high lvl needs it in cross realm dung).
Well, so far i came to BnS for the combat, but yeah i like do PvE and its very poor compared to WoW (11 years of content) or GW2 (love this game) or FF14 (one of the best main stories ive ever played).
I will get to 45 on my BM and see what is next. But yeah the idea of leveling another class seems TO BORING right now
Granted, traditional elements of MMOs are weak, but the combat is absolutely amazing and has tremendous depth.
It is very shallow though, but fighting is so much fun I don't care. I play this game when I want to smack people with style.
Not every game has to be "the one and only". It is ok to play multiple games side by side. Some are great for combat (like B&S), some have great atmosphere (LotRO), some have great questing and crafting (ESO), then there is a lot of subpar games like GW2 and stuff that can give something too.
What exactly is there to do in FFXIV, ESO prior to level cap? GW2 has a lot of leveling features but the other two games you named are just grind it out leveling processes, and they are much slower leveling curves than blade and soul. I don't really understand the disatisfaction in the community these days, they say they want new but when something new and different comes out it never recoups the production budget, so game makers make things like WoW and then everyone complains that its boring and goes back to their current WoW like game instead.
In my opinion blade and soul is the most polished game that has come in out in years (Along with FFXIV). The thing that makes BnS different is the combat which does feel more seamless than the previous action combat MMO's. All of the other games that came over the last several years had major flaws at launch that they took months or years to correct and thus lost large portions of their player base, (GW2 it was complete lack of content for max level that took them a good 6-12 months to fix, ESO quickly became a level grind that relied on story to make up for poor combat, ArchAge's economy wasn't balanced so a major feature of the game fell apart, Wildstar practically collapsed before it began but i think this has more to do with inherent community bias then the game itself since no one has ever been able to give factually valid reasons they dislike the game to me). Blade and Souls biggest problem is alot of people are about to run out of content, but they are releasing a major patch in 8 days which indicates to me that unlike the other games above they understood what their weakness was and had a plan on how to fix it.
I do in general agree with mmrv that MMO's today are all basically the same (excluding GW2). They are kill and fetch quests with varying degrees of story that 99% of the player base won't read, followed by some kind of cosmetic or gear treadmill (that part does include gw2). Unlike him I don't complain because this is exactly what MMO players want even if they don't want admit it. If this wasn't what they wanted WoW and wow like games would not be the most dominant games in the market but they are.