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Trade and Auction House

IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,203
in Black Desert Online
Hello ,

As far as I heard, there is no trade between players and on the auction house, one cannot simply add their desire price. You are limited to a set price which is determined by devs mostly, depending on the supply and demand. 

If that's true, I may reconsider playing this game or not. "Free Market" and trade between players is a part of an MMO. 

If this is to combat the gold sellers, then is a cheap attempt. 

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  • SenyunSenyun Member UncommonPosts: 51
    edited February 2016
    The player trade is more my concern. Wish their was a ways to set it up so at least friends of 7+ days could trade. At least some sort of by pass to ensure the likelihood of being a GS trading being low.

    The auction house does not actually bother me as much as I have seen AH economies ruined by GSers. I believe the prices of the market can still change with in the system itself and they do give you a price "range" to set it at. Not just 1 default price if I am not mistaken.
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722
    i only use the acution house to buy materials so i shouldnt have any problems with this. I havent traded face to face with players in years. Either Auction house or via mail in GW2.




  • DaxamarDaxamar Member UncommonPosts: 593
    Its a good system. Should keep out the gold sellers a lot! Only thing you can trade right now are potions.
    The AH is regulated, so you cant put a 10 silver item up for 10 million, and collect the money.
  • DaxamarDaxamar Member UncommonPosts: 593
    DMKano said:
    Daxamar said:
    Its a good system. Should keep out the gold sellers a lot! Only thing you can trade right now are potions.
    The AH is regulated, so you cant put a 10 silver item up for 10 million, and collect the money.

    What about guilds who want to pool crafting mats together and give them to guilds crafters?


    Gathering mats is not a big thing. You can set up workers to gather for you. You have to do everything yourslef, but thats the price for keeping gold sellers out.
  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,203
    Daxamar said:
    Its a good system. Should keep out the gold sellers a lot! Only thing you can trade right now are potions.
    The AH is regulated, so you cant put a 10 silver item up for 10 million, and collect the money.
    The system is bad! Stop saying is good for keeping the gold seller "out of the business". Its hurting the economy, trading between players, guild members, etc. 

    About the AH , really? I mean .. is like we are living in a communism era. They tell us how much we should ask for our items. I mean, they don't just tell us, they are actually enforce us. 

    And all of this because some players knows how to "play the AH" , and because of them ( and gold sellers ) they are making all players to follow their bad rules and decisions and actually hurting some of the most important aspects of an MMO.

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  • DaxamarDaxamar Member UncommonPosts: 593
    IceAge said:
    Daxamar said:
    Its a good system. Should keep out the gold sellers a lot! Only thing you can trade right now are potions.
    The AH is regulated, so you cant put a 10 silver item up for 10 million, and collect the money.
    The system is bad! Stop saying is good for keeping the gold seller "out of the business". Its hurting the economy, trading between players, guild members, etc. 

    About the AH , really? I mean .. is like we are living in a communism era. They tell us how much we should ask for our items. I mean, they don't just tell us, they are actually enforce us. 

    And all of this because some players knows how to "play the AH" , and because of them ( and gold sellers ) they are making all players to follow their bad rules and decisions and actually hurting some of the most important aspects of an MMO.
    It is a good system, maybe not for you, but thats you.

    The games focus is GvG, not playing the AH. Theres many game out there to do that!


  • DaxamarDaxamar Member UncommonPosts: 593
    Pffft. Im not goin to be the white knight for Daum. You guys play or dont play. The system is there for a reason, and I think itll work.
  • danwest58danwest58 Member RarePosts: 2,012
    From everything I heard from a friend of mine who is into this game is basically a solo MMO where there is no need to ever interact with another people.  In my opinion that is bad for an MMO and is the reason why MMOs are pointless today because you might as well buy a single player game and play by yourself.  Reliance on other people is the hallmark of MMOs going back to the first MMO, UO.  Yes you could do everything yourself but it would take years to get all the skills leveled on different characters and all the mats.  You needed to at some level interact with other players.
  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,203
    Rhoklaw said:
    danwest58 said:
    From everything I heard from a friend of mine who is into this game is basically a solo MMO where there is no need to ever interact with another people.  In my opinion that is bad for an MMO and is the reason why MMOs are pointless today because you might as well buy a single player game and play by yourself.  Reliance on other people is the hallmark of MMOs going back to the first MMO, UO.  Yes you could do everything yourself but it would take years to get all the skills leveled on different characters and all the mats.  You needed to at some level interact with other players.
    I agree with you 100%, but alas, things must be done to stop gold sellers. In my opinion, it's a minor inconvenience in exchange for a much more positive outcome.
    Gold sellers are not ruining a game. I don't remember a game who was ruined by gold sellers. 

    Anyway, it's not a minor inconvenience ! Trades between players and AH are a key part in a MMO.

    PS: Salut :)

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  • AlleinAllein Member RarePosts: 2,139
    IceAge said:

     "Free Market" and trade between players is a part of an MMO. 

    The system is bad! 

    communism era. 

    some of the most important aspects of an MMO.

    Gold sellers are not ruining a game. I don't remember a game who was ruined by gold sellers. 

    Anyway, it's not a minor inconvenience ! Trades between players and AH are a key part in a MMO.
    What you are missing is this is 100% your opinion.

    I can't remember the last time I traded one on one with someone since AH came to be (EQ, early WoW?).

    However I can't count the number of in-game emails/whispers or just general spam I've had to ignore of 3rd parties selling their goods.

    Gold sellers/bots are typically the ones hijacking accounts and doing shady stuff, not to mention whatever actual impact they have on an economy.

    While I wouldn't mind guild trading, I really don't miss it at all in BDO. If I need something I can find it for X price on the market and if I need to sell something, I sell it for Y price. Very simple.

    While it removes the ability to game the economy which some love, they have so many other ways to make money with or around the market that it isn't an issue for me.

    Don't like it? Your loss. I'll enjoy my non-free trade communist market free of gold seller spam and annoyance.
  • brickleulbrickleul Member UncommonPosts: 28
    Gold sellers ?  really , that's the issue here ? Isn't this a Buy to play game , so will any gold seller pay 30-50$ to buy the game and just to spam for, how long until banned , 5 minutes , an advertise with gold selling.

    Gold sellers are not doing any harm to any game, hackers yes ( but there are solutions to make the account unbreakable) , bots  yes ( again solutions anti bots exists)  , as long is not a free game ( yes gold sellers are an issue in F2P games) I don't see any harm .

    And  now from my perspective, I'm a good gamer , due to my job I often find myself in a situation when I can play for like 8 hours/day daily , my wife on the other hand is playing like 2-3 hours/week but we enjoy playing together so in any game I was providing her with best gear and everything necessary to make the game enjoyable for her , so I'm like a  gold seller who gives gold for free to only one customer , I have also friends who might join the game at a later time, how can I help them, but with gold and gear , I don't understand what is with all this restriction in a Pay to play game ...........ffs I got bored writing this , anyway got the point this is not the game for me , enjoy the game guys 
  • RhimeRhime Member UncommonPosts: 302
    brickleul said:
    Gold sellers ?  really , that's the issue here ? Isn't this a Buy to play game , so will any gold seller pay 30-50$ to buy the game and just to spam for, how long until banned , 5 minutes , an advertise with gold selling.

    Gold sellers are not doing any harm to any game, hackers yes ( but there are solutions to make the account unbreakable) , bots  yes ( again solutions anti bots exists)  , as long is not a free game ( yes gold sellers are an issue in F2P games) I don't see any harm .

    And  now from my perspective, I'm a good gamer , due to my job I often find myself in a situation when I can play for like 8 hours/day daily , my wife on the other hand is playing like 2-3 hours/week but we enjoy playing together so in any game I was providing her with best gear and everything necessary to make the game enjoyable for her , so I'm like a  gold seller who gives gold for free to only one customer , I have also friends who might join the game at a later time, how can I help them, but with gold and gear , I don't understand what is with all this restriction in a Pay to play game ...........ffs I got bored writing this , anyway got the point this is not the game for me , enjoy the game guys 
    Agreed, MMO's are social games and to imply that even this one will be solo friendly is utter bullshit. What's the point of crafting if it's restricted to selling on a restrictive AH and guildies or friends cannot help? My wife is in a similar situation with rl scheduling so she comes to play at a disadvantage. To do this on account of gold selling douchebags is really unnecessary since there are other non-restrictive ways to discourage that.
    We're still going to play, but if the no trade thing doesn't work, we and many others will quickly abandon the game.
  • stayontargetstayontarget Member RarePosts: 6,519
    IceAge said:
    Daxamar said:
    Its a good system. Should keep out the gold sellers a lot! Only thing you can trade right now are potions.
    The AH is regulated, so you cant put a 10 silver item up for 10 million, and collect the money.
    The system is bad! Stop saying is good for keeping the gold seller "out of the business". Its hurting the economy, trading between players, guild members, etc. 

    About the AH , really? I mean .. is like we are living in a communism era. They tell us how much we should ask for our items. I mean, they don't just tell us, they are actually enforce us. 

    And all of this because some players knows how to "play the AH" , and because of them ( and gold sellers ) they are making all players to follow their bad rules and decisions and actually hurting some of the most important aspects of an MMO.
    In my opinion it is a good system.  No botters, no gold sellers, no rmt, No buying everything on the AH and then reselling at a higher price.

    What is not to like.

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  • HanthosHanthos Member UncommonPosts: 242
    DMKano said:
    stayontarget said:
    In my opinion it is a good system.  No botters, no gold sellers, no rmt, No buying everything on the AH and then reselling at a higher price.

    What is not to like.

    No point in having other players in PvE - as there is zero interdependence for others - like working with other crafters for parts you need etc...

    That's the downside for some - for others this is the best thing ever.

    There are players who only log into games to play the AH - buy low, sell high - so for those players, what's not to like? Everything.


    Aren't there plenty of alternatives available for those players though? I for one am interested in at least trying this and seeing how it pans out.
  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196


    Not going to knock it until I try it. 


    It has its pros and cons so we will just have to see. 
  • RhimeRhime Member UncommonPosts: 302
    DMKano said:
    Rhime said:
    brickleul said:
    Gold sellers ?  really , that's the issue here ? Isn't this a Buy to play game , so will any gold seller pay 30-50$ to buy the game and just to spam for, how long until banned , 5 minutes , an advertise with gold selling.

    Gold sellers are not doing any harm to any game, hackers yes ( but there are solutions to make the account unbreakable) , bots  yes ( again solutions anti bots exists)  , as long is not a free game ( yes gold sellers are an issue in F2P games) I don't see any harm .

    And  now from my perspective, I'm a good gamer , due to my job I often find myself in a situation when I can play for like 8 hours/day daily , my wife on the other hand is playing like 2-3 hours/week but we enjoy playing together so in any game I was providing her with best gear and everything necessary to make the game enjoyable for her , so I'm like a  gold seller who gives gold for free to only one customer , I have also friends who might join the game at a later time, how can I help them, but with gold and gear , I don't understand what is with all this restriction in a Pay to play game ...........ffs I got bored writing this , anyway got the point this is not the game for me , enjoy the game guys 
    Agreed, MMO's are social games and to imply that even this one will be solo friendly is utter bullshit. What's the point of crafting if it's restricted to selling on a restrictive AH and guildies or friends cannot help? My wife is in a similar situation with rl scheduling so she comes to play at a disadvantage. To do this on account of gold selling douchebags is really unnecessary since there are other non-restrictive ways to discourage that.
    We're still going to play, but if the no trade thing doesn't work, we and many others will quickly abandon the game.

    PvE is solo centric so they won't change trading.

    The thing is so far Korea and Russia has seen a quick player decline - so no matter what, players will abandon the game after 2-6 weeks.

    This is the norm with every MMO with very few exceptions - so low player retention is not something unique to Black Desert, happens to pretty much all western release games within the last several years.


    Makes you wonder though..with systems in place like this shitty no-trade and might as well mention the energy leash (ala AA's labor system) why games lose many players that early in it's release...
  • HanthosHanthos Member UncommonPosts: 242
    From what I've read and seen, the contribution and energy system is nothing at all like ArcheAge's labor points.
  • WightyWighty Member UncommonPosts: 699
    Every so often a game will "test the system"

    We've seen this with tradeable RMA currency.
    We've seen RMA Auction houses.

    Now from what I understand this games auction house will be standardized.

    It will either pass, fail, or adapt.

    I for one am in favor of it as you can actually play the game instead of the auction house. This also stabilizes the market place.

    Socialism meets gaming.

    What are your other Hobbies?

    Gaming is Dirt Cheap compared to this...

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