I can understand how upsetting this might be for many. But I prefer them to sell expensive customs and nothing else rather than exploring other means to charge the players. I know that's naive, but I prefer that anyways
The idea that a game like Black Desert can survive off cosmetic sales is impossible - this is something the general public doesnt know.
Mmorpgs can't survive off cosmetic sales.
Now I am talking MMORPGs not MOBAs, which are entirely different.
If you could only see the actual sales for cosmetic items from these games you would be surprised how abysmally low they are.
It is not a sustainable model.
Yes I am aware of that that's why I said I know it's naive.
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A full costume set in Europe will cost 32 Euro. Pieces of costume will sell for a total of 40 Euro.
Pets are 9 Euro each.
A full game price is 30 Euro.
And so the Cash extraction simulator begins.
Well you didn't think it was gonna be any different than all the rest did you? Those game companies love their cash shops. Soon, they are gonna put super shinny rare panties in the gambling box.
LMAO people outraged at this yet Chris Roberts has sold a hundred million in ship jpegs for a game that doesnt exist yet other than a tech demo that is really not playable.
That isnt a Black Desert fanbois white knight defense I have never played any version and dont have nay intention of playing it for quite some time, (when it goes free to play around Thanksgiving I will maybe give it a try) just trying to put things in perspective.
It MAY be just cosmetics, but jeeze... how many people would buy a costume at that cost? I can see $10-$15, sure. 30? NOPE.
Only 10% of a games populations will spend any money at all. The other 90% will just complain that the game is not really "Free." $Cost / 10% / NumberOfItemsSold = $40+. Sure they can sell stuff for $10, but they won't sell more. And they won't make cost. $Cost = $15 * 100%, this is an oversimplified formula showing 100% of a game's community paying a sub of $15 / month and covering costs. In a F2P games the $Cost is equal to that of a P2P game.
Do you think everyone using the cash shop spends $150 a month to keep those games open? Most still only spend $15, because they are still subbed to WoW and possibly 1 and 2 more MMOs. The reals whales are the 1% spending $Monthly > $1500. Guess what, when a player is paying more than $1500 a month, they get to Win. And those spending less than $15 a year can stfu about P2W.
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Konfess your cyns and some maybe forgiven Boy: Why can't I talk to Him? Mom: We don't talk to Priests. As if it could exist, without being payed for. F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing. Even telemarketers wouldn't think that. It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
They can be as greedy as they want with cosmetics. If you want to look expensive, then pay an expensive price.
Seems like everyone these days wants everything for free or cheap. Can't have it both ways. They give you something that isn't Pay 2 Win. Be happy.
No P2W? You will be abel to put this costumes on the Auction House and trade it for in-game currency. And with the Price of 32 Euro, the demand for this costumes will sky rocket since very few will be abel to afford them. So players will be making 100 of millions of silver on them. They will be the richest best equiped players in the game.
There is always P2W in korean games in one form or another.
Your asking them to go to deep into it, and it hurts their brains. Its not pay to win for them, because you can't just go buy super ball kicking sword +50 directly with cash. It is just like the bat shit crazies, who say eve online isn't pay 2 win, when you can dump 1000s into it, and end up with a high end character and everything in the game. There are only a few Non pay 2 win MMOS, and they are all donation based emulators, that you don't get anything for your money. Even in those morons try to buy stuff in the game with money. Basically what it comes down too, is that people get butt hurt when they die, so they go buy stuff with their money, that makes them better, so in their mind they are better than the person who plays a lot, and earned it all, because in their mind, every one who beats them, is that one fat person in existence who lives in his parents basement, and doesn't work.
While I hope BDO's shop stays away from P2W as they've stated it will at least for "launch," the prices don't seem that crazy.
Then again I assume they won't have paid for expansions or content updates and that someone could pay $30 and never spend another dime.
Nothing in the shop is "needed" and "wants" come at a price.
Although I'm sure the flood of tears and refund requests might result in at least costumes taking a few dollars off. Don't mess with people and their pixel underwear.
The people spending money are not crying over this cost. They spend their money because they enjoy games. The only people crying over these cost are those Not spending money in the cash shops. Because these items are one more thing they can't have for Free.
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Konfess your cyns and some maybe forgiven Boy: Why can't I talk to Him? Mom: We don't talk to Priests. As if it could exist, without being payed for. F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing. Even telemarketers wouldn't think that. It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
How stupid is it to think that ships are anything more than pixels . ROFL you have got to be warped to think otherwise.
It's ALL just pixels. Think how many years you rented pixels on a computer screen with a recurring subscription. How many thousands of dollars in pixel rentals did you put out? And now people are outraged because some pixels are expensive? Wake up. It's warped to think otherwise.
I agree. To that end, if it's "just pixels" then these people are whiling away their precious time on "pixels".
To top it off, people get paid whole salaries to work with "pixels".
People need to put things in context.
I still think they could have gone a little cheaper to entice more people to spend.
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They can be as greedy as they want with cosmetics. If you want to look expensive, then pay an expensive price.
Seems like everyone these days wants everything for free or cheap. Can't have it both ways. They give you something that isn't Pay 2 Win. Be happy.
No P2W? You will be abel to put this costumes on the Auction House and trade it for in-game currency. And with the Price of 32 Euro, the demand for this costumes will sky rocket since very few will be abel to afford them. So players will be making 100 of millions of silver on them. They will be the richest best equiped players in the game.
There is always P2W in korean games in one form or another.
Not at launch for a few months. You can't sell any cash shop item for silver for atleast the first few months, could be half a year if we are lucky.
They never said few month, just at launch. It could be few days, or a week.
That's the pessimistic approach, it could very well be a full year as well. Having less faith in something doesn't mean it's right.
They did it for a reason, they will have 'sales' where the prices are pretty much what they 'should' be all the time but during those 'sales' they will sell more because theyre cheaper than 'normal' they will also sell quite a few at the (over) price as well
. Plus they will also be offering bulk and package deals as well. Which is another dip.
It will be interesting to see how long Daum keep these Cash Shop exclusives from being traded on the AH. I've a sneaky suspicion that it won't take all that long.
Besides, it would be better to wait a few weeks so that players can build up some decent cash reserves. These items won't be selling for pennies on the AH, that's for sure. Whoever decides to sell them will most likely be rolling in ingame currency in no time.
I do not blame them for placing the prices they have. The B2P idea is a good one for gamers but a company needs a steady stream of income to remain active. As was mentioned earlier, I would still like to see a sub option. Like ESO. I mean look at Rift. Their Ultimate Nightmare Edition is $150 US, Wilds Pack is $100 All games in the B2P and F2P need residual income to survive. Look at the cash shop prices for STO or Neverwinter or WOW. B2P alone can not maintain a game. It needs a cash shop and imo a sub option to survive.
How does Elite Dangerous survives? It didn't came with Korean Cash Shop. It doesn't have a Sub. Most player spend less than 100$ on that game. And they still have plans for another 5 Expansions ahead.
Yet somehow for Black Desert it's not enough that it makes tons of profit from Korean, Japan and Russian Region. It's not enough that players bought 100$ Conq pack to play it. Lets have a Cash Shop with items that cost another 30$.
Why? Are Korean Pixel somehow more expensive than the Uk pixels?
Don't just accept it as a reality. It's not. It's a scam.
A full costume set in Europe will cost 32 Euro. Pieces of costume will sell for a total of 40 Euro.
Pets are 9 Euro each.
A full game price is 30 Euro.
And so the Cash extraction simulator begins.
Costume prices has always been my #1 pet peeve with cash shops. Thinking I need to pay $10-20 to play dress-up with my character....
I'd give them $1-2 for a costume which took a designer a week to create. $5 if they actually bothered fixing all the clipping errors that always happen with them (such as many games not loading hair textures when you wear a hat causing your character to be bald)
OMG stop trying to justify this crap. EVERYONE avoid this game and it will send a message to the entire Industry. We need to completely bankrupt these idiots so we can take back the power to set the market.
I do not blame them for placing the prices they have. The B2P idea is a good one for gamers but a company needs a steady stream of income to remain active. As was mentioned earlier, I would still like to see a sub option. Like ESO. I mean look at Rift. Their Ultimate Nightmare Edition is $150 US, Wilds Pack is $100 All games in the B2P and F2P need residual income to survive. Look at the cash shop prices for STO or Neverwinter or WOW. B2P alone can not maintain a game. It needs a cash shop and imo a sub option to survive.
How does Elite Dangerous survives? It didn't came with Korean Cash Shop. It doesn't have a Sub. Most player spend less than 100$ on that game. And they still have plans for another 5 Expansions ahead.
Yet somehow for Black Desert it's not enough that it makes tons of profit from Korean, Japan and Russian Region. It's not enough that players bought 100$ Conq pack to play it. Lets have a Cash Shop with items that cost another 30$.
Why? Are Korean Pixel somehow more expensive than the Uk pixels?
Don't just accept it as a reality. It's not. It's a scam.
E:D's development cost was partially paid for by a Kickstarter campaign. E:D runs on peer-to-peer network instances, there are no central game servers hosting the play. E:D's game world is procedurally generated, so no extensive "world building" or testing required. E:D's art assets probably took 1/10th as long to create as those of BDO. E:D has no character models, so no effort to create hundreds of animations and dozens of NPC models.
E:D was cheap to make and designed to be cheap to run. It's nothing like a standard fantasy themepark.
OMG stop trying to justify this crap. EVERYONE avoid this game and it will send a message to the entire Industry. We need to completely bankrupt these idiots so we can take back the power to set the market.
So easy to say "We must boycott", however without a major moral dilemma behind it to empower such..... there will always be a fool and his money that will keep this model alive.
OMG stop trying to justify this crap. EVERYONE avoid this game and it will send a message to the entire Industry. We need to completely bankrupt these idiots so we can take back the power to set the market.
So easy to say "We must boycott", however without a major moral dilemma behind it to empower such..... there will always be a fool and his money that will keep this model alive.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I have friends who believe that every moment you spend playing a video game you are wasting the potential of your life. Every dime that you spend on video games is a dime that can be spent on things that are actually of worth.
So then can we imagine both your posts on some forum somewhere where people lament that others are playing video games?
It always amazes me that "some people" feel they have the moral high ground where in reality there is always another group out there that looks down upon that "high ground".
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They should just call them "optional items" that would fix it.
Most p2p games that you lose access to unless you pay every single month have cash shops with outfits that cost more than the game, this game is at least buy to play.
OMG stop trying to justify this crap. EVERYONE avoid this game and it will send a message to the entire Industry. We need to completely bankrupt these idiots so we can take back the power to set the market.
We are not going to spend any money. That will show them and teach them a lesson. Lesson learned, don't make these ingrates any games.
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Konfess your cyns and some maybe forgiven Boy: Why can't I talk to Him? Mom: We don't talk to Priests. As if it could exist, without being payed for. F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing. Even telemarketers wouldn't think that. It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
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People are outraged about that too.
$Cost = $Monthly * 10% = $15 * 100%
Therefore $Monthly = $15 * 100% / 10% = $150
Do you think everyone using the cash shop spends $150 a month to keep those games open? Most still only spend $15, because they are still subbed to WoW and possibly 1 and 2 more MMOs. The reals whales are the 1% spending $Monthly > $1500. Guess what, when a player is paying more than $1500 a month, they get to Win. And those spending less than $15 a year can stfu about P2W.
Boy: Why can't I talk to Him?
Mom: We don't talk to Priests.
As if it could exist, without being payed for.
F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
The people spending money are not crying over this cost. They spend their money because they enjoy games. The only people crying over these cost are those Not spending money in the cash shops. Because these items are one more thing they can't have for Free.
Boy: Why can't I talk to Him?
Mom: We don't talk to Priests.
As if it could exist, without being payed for.
F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
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To top it off, people get paid whole salaries to work with "pixels".
People need to put things in context.
I still think they could have gone a little cheaper to entice more people to spend.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
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Plus they will also be offering bulk and package deals as well. Which is another dip.
Sales 101.
Besides, it would be better to wait a few weeks so that players can build up some decent cash reserves. These items won't be selling for pennies on the AH, that's for sure. Whoever decides to sell them will most likely be rolling in ingame currency in no time.
How does Elite Dangerous survives? It didn't came with Korean Cash Shop. It doesn't have a Sub. Most player spend less than 100$ on that game. And they still have plans for another 5 Expansions ahead.
Yet somehow for Black Desert it's not enough that it makes tons of profit from Korean, Japan and Russian Region. It's not enough that players bought 100$ Conq pack to play it. Lets have a Cash Shop with items that cost another 30$.
Why? Are Korean Pixel somehow more expensive than the Uk pixels?
Don't just accept it as a reality. It's not. It's a scam.
I'd give them $1-2 for a costume which took a designer a week to create. $5 if they actually bothered fixing all the clipping errors that always happen with them (such as many games not loading hair textures when you wear a hat causing your character to be bald)
E:D runs on peer-to-peer network instances, there are no central game servers hosting the play.
E:D's game world is procedurally generated, so no extensive "world building" or testing required.
E:D's art assets probably took 1/10th as long to create as those of BDO.
E:D has no character models, so no effort to create hundreds of animations and dozens of NPC models.
E:D was cheap to make and designed to be cheap to run. It's nothing like a standard fantasy themepark.
So then can we imagine both your posts on some forum somewhere where people lament that others are playing video games?
It always amazes me that "some people" feel they have the moral high ground where in reality there is always another group out there that looks down upon that "high ground".
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Most p2p games that you lose access to unless you pay every single month have cash shops with outfits that cost more than the game, this game is at least buy to play.
And yeah it's more than the game costs, but the game is cheaper than most games.
Boy: Why can't I talk to Him?
Mom: We don't talk to Priests.
As if it could exist, without being payed for.
F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
What are your other Hobbies?
Gaming is Dirt Cheap compared to this...