Class compare Witch versus Sorceress

Lord.Bachus · February 2016

both are caster classes, both are mobile and have good crowd controll
so why is the sorceress considered top in 1vs1 and the wizzard weak?

what makes wizards weak and sorcerers strong in 1 vs 1?

stayontarget · February 2016

Sroceress is a med to close range attack class with a few ranged skills, with high mobility that uses teleport I-frame evasion skills. Damage is moderate until awakening.

Wizard is long range, high damage with a few mobility skills.

Allein · February 2016

Official forum thread:

http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/20596-why-are-we-supposedly-not-so-good-in-1v1/&page=1

Majority of opinions I've read here, reddit, official forums come from people that either have never played the game or haven't reached a point where they actually know what they are doing.

Every class can 1v1 but some have more skills geared towards 1v1. Wizard longer cast times, long cool downs, and reliance on teleport/dodge to move around make them look weaker than they might be in the hands of someone that knows what they are doing.

Put a wizard on a Tier 6+ horse and good luck beating them 1v1 or give them a friend vs another two and see how much they are capable of.

Sorcs take a lot of effort to be as good as some believe they are. A lot more mechanical skill is required in my opinion. While enjoyable, my hands would get tired after a while. Require micromanagement of hp/mana pots, buffs, and their secondary "mana" source which fuels their buffs that make them so good at 1v1.

In reality, going to be a lot of Sorcs/Rangers/Wiz upset in a month or so when the first two don't understand why they don't instantly kill everyone and third will be upset that PVE ease doesn't translate into PVP.

I also don't look at these games as Dueling Simulators. If I attack someone 1v1 in open world, it isn't going to be fair or on their terms. If I get attacked, I'm not going to be surprised if I die quickly. Not going to blame my class choice.

Volgore · February 2016

Interesting topic, looking forward to more input here.
Sorc was the class i tried first and it took a while for me to get it's concept, still couldnt manage to really get behind it in my short beta session.
Maybe i'm totally off here, but it reminded me of some dark assassin type class, except for the lack of daggers and stealth.

I guess it's not an easy class to start with and not as straight forward as the wizard is, but once you master it it might be a force.
Probably my first character, unless someone tells me better.

Allein · February 2016

Volgore said:

Interesting topic, looking forward to more input here.
Sorc was the class i tried first and it took a while for me to get it's concept, still couldnt manage to really get behind it in my short beta session.
Maybe i'm totally off here, but it reminded me of some dark assassin type class, except for the lack of daggers and stealth.

I guess it's not an easy class to start with and not as straight forward as the wizard is, but once you master it it might be a force.
Probably my first character, unless someone tells me better.

They have a pretty high skill ceiling compared to other classes. Not to say other classes don't take effort. Just that a "good" Sorc is going to be night and day to someone that thinks they can win because they picked "the best" 1v1 class.

Sorcs are sort of a brawler/rogue type in my eyes. Lots of fun, but I prefer others more.

Prior to lvl 56 and the Awakening, they are one of the weaker PVE grinding classes, but get by all the same.

DeadmanSinister · February 2016

Sorceress has been my main on the KR server since Open Beta, love the class, it has very high damage output, and amazing survivability with such spells as Bloody Calamity and Dreams of Doom (KR names).

Wizard/Witch is also a very survivable class with some nice utility and good damage output, but is predominantly long ranged nuker type. I like the spell variety, but at the same time, I don't think they are able to match a Sorc for speed killing.

Iselin · February 2016

Torval said:
It does seem to have a stealthy type of escape skill. It cloaks you and then you move at like 3x your normal movement rate for x number of seconds. It's on a cooldown of a few minutes.

That's a universal skill that all classes have... I never even knew it was there until I accidentally pressed the "V" key on my wizard

The main difference to me between the Wiz and sorcerer is that wizards have a long wind-up time for a lot of skills that root you in place until it's done - some you can fire off early before the cast timer is ready for reduced damage but many you can't. It felt very much to me like traditional wizards from many MMOs.

And that's the weakness for 1v1 PVP. Not very mobile while squishy. In group play they have a lot more utility though with heals, damage bubbles and rezzes (I might be wrong but I think it's the only class that can rez.)

Sorceress plays almost exactly the opposite with a lot of mobility making her ideal for 1v1.

spikers14 · February 2016

Sorc seems like one of those classes that, in the right hands, could hand any other class their walking papers....1v1 of course. There is also a fairly steep curve and combos are all over the place.

Mobility is a factor, but from the videos I've seen, overall player skill or knowledge of a particular class seem to be greater factors.

Lord.Bachus · February 2016

Iselin said:

Torval said:
It does seem to have a stealthy type of escape skill. It cloaks you and then you move at like 3x your normal movement rate for x number of seconds. It's on a cooldown of a few minutes.

That's a universal skill that all classes have... I never even knew it was there until I accidentally pressed the "V" key on my wizard

The main difference to me between the Wiz and sorcerer is that wizards have a long wind-up time for a lot of skills that root you in place until it's done - some you can fire off early before the cast timer is ready for reduced damage but many you can't. It felt very much to me like traditional wizards from many MMOs.

And that's the weakness for 1v1 PVP. Not very mobile while squishy. In group play they have a lot more utility though with heals, damage bubbles and rezzes (I might be wrong but I think it's the only class that can rez.)

Sorceress plays almost exactly the opposite with a lot of mobility making her ideal for 1v1.

Yes wizard is "THE" group utillity class, the only class that can rezz and one of the two (Valkyrie) that can heal.. And thats precisely the part of the wizard interesting me most.. Your friends will want you to be around them..

spikers14 said:
Sorc seems like one of those classes that, in the right hands, could hand any other class their walking papers....1v1 of course. There is also a fairly steep curve and combos are all over the place.

Mobility is a factor, but from the videos I've seen, overall player skill or knowledge of a particular class seem to be greater factors.

And this is exactly the reason why i will want to stick to a single main, to get that natural flow when playing that class... Making the combos and keybinds a 2nd nature

Draemos · February 2016

Lord.Bachus said:

both are mobile

The Wizard is not mobile. He is decidedly immobile. You can mitigate this by using stirrups and a horse, but it's a significant disadvantage in 1v1 without a horse.

Myrdynn · February 2016

there is nothing similar between em, you, like myself are initially confused by the name Sorceress and it not being a traditional mage type class

Myrdynn · February 2016

well Warlock is more Necromancer or Summoner, The names Mage, Wizard, Sorcerer, Sorceress, have generally always been fireballs and magic missiles

Lord.Bachus · February 2016

DMKano said:

All things being equal - (both sorc vs wizard in same enchanted gear at level 56+ with awakened weapons) - an expert sorc will beat an expert wizard in PvP pretty consistently.

Wiz excels at group PvP - example sieges and is far better than sorc in leveling up in PvE (sorc is one of the weaker PvE characters early on).

1v1 PvP sorc is simply stronger than wiz end game.

Still overall for pure PvP power - ranger edges out all classes end game, the mobility and range are hard to overcome for other classes in open world PvP especially when the ranger gets a drop on you - which they always do heh.

Obviously witches and wizzards dont have their awakened weapons yet ( warrior/sorceress/berserker do). There is a lot of misinformation about these awakened weapons, they are not neccesarilly stronger then the other weponstyles, but they are strong where the normal weapon sets are weak, would for wizzards replace some of their current skills that in the end should make them more resillent in mellee and stronger in 1vs1 PvP....

untill we have not seen these weapons in action, we will not know how well the wizzard one performs.. Same goes for the witch who might end up with a different awakened weapon and a different skillset then the wizzard..

holdenhamlet · February 2016

Lord.Bachus said:

both are caster classes, both are mobile and have good crowd controll
so why is the sorceress considered top in 1vs1 and the wizzard weak?

what makes wizards weak and sorcerers strong in 1 vs 1?

I think it mostly has to do with cast-time. Wizards/witches need time to cast heavy spells, and may be interrupted.

Sorceress is basically the rogue class for the game, even though she uses magic. Very mobile and hits very fast at short range.

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